RE: Not Sleeping! What to give?

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There are time release versions of melatonin available. You may want to try that, or give a second dose of melatonin when he wakes up. I would go the time release route myself.It takes some time for the body clock to reset itself, so you may need to continue for a while before the clock gets reset and he continues to sleep through the night. My son took about 2 months and now he sleeps through the night without any melatonin at all.Hope this helps.My son is not sleeping we have given melatonin it puts him to sleep quickly, however he wakes a few hours later, hyper & ready to go. Any ideas, we are doing Respen A & I think I remember no GABA. Please help us, as he is either very fussy or falls asleep in school.Thank youNina

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I second . We used melatonin almost 2 months to the day. We've gone three straight nights without any at all. woot-woot!

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 12:28:24 PMSubject: Re: Not Sleeping! What to give?

There are time release versions of melatonin available. You may want to try that, or give a second dose of melatonin when he wakes up. I would go the time release route myself.

It takes some time for the body clock to reset itself, so you may need to continue for a while before the clock gets reset and he continues to sleep through the night. My son took about 2 months and now he sleeps through the night without any melatonin at all.

Hope this helps.

My son is not sleeping we have given melatonin it puts him to sleep quickly, however he wakes a few hours later, hyper & ready to go. Any ideas, we are doing Respen A & I think I remember no GABA. Please help us, as he is either very fussy or falls asleep in school.Thank youNina

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My son is in a similar situation to Nina's son. Toni and , what brands do you use? I guess these time-release formulas are tablets or capsules that can't be opened?

 

I second .  We used melatonin almost 2 months to the day.  We've gone three straight nights without any at all.  woot-woot!

To: mb12 valtrex

Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 12:28:24 PMSubject: Re: Not Sleeping! What to give? 

There are time release versions of melatonin available. You may want to try that, or give a second dose of melatonin when he wakes up. I would go the time release route myself.

It takes some time for the body clock to reset itself, so you may need to continue for a while before the clock gets reset and he continues to sleep through the night. My son took about 2 months and now he sleeps through the night without any melatonin at all.

Hope this helps.

My son is not sleeping we have given melatonin it puts him to sleep quickly, however he wakes a few hours later, hyper & ready to go. Any ideas, we are doing Respen A & I think I remember no GABA. Please help us, as he is either very fussy or falls asleep in school.

Thank youNina

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Nina,

I didn't know if you knew this, but the " waking up wide awake ready to hit the

road full steam ahead " in the middle of the night seems a very specific

oxalate-related symptom in a LOT of people. This can happen after consuming

high oxalate foods or during a " dump " which is when the body releases stored

oxalate into circulation after there has been a decrease in oxalate supply.

Could either of those scenarios be relevant?

The pineal gland, which is what regulates melatonin, is not protected by the

blood brain barrier. That's why it can be easily affected by oxalate that has

been absorbed through a leaky gut. Wherever it goes, oxalate gets into the

interior of cells and especially into the mitochondrion where it impairs the

energy metabolism, but in glands, its effects in reducing what the gland

secretes is likely caused by it binding up calcium intracellularly. Calcium is

an important regulator of what cells take in from outside the cell and put out

to deliver to the body which is why it may be unfortunate that the highest

density of oxalate that stays in the body tends to be in glands, but especially

the adrenal gland. I've talked to one of the scientists who should have looked

at the pineal gland, but one of the reason the gland's uptake of oxalate hasn't

been studied is that it is so tiny in mice!

(Autism Oxalate Project at ARI)

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> My son is not sleeping we have given melatonin it puts him to sleep quickly,

however he wakes a few hours later, hyper & ready to go. Any ideas, we are

doing Respen A

> & I think I remember no GABA. Please help us, as he is either very fussy or

falls asleep in school.

> Thank you

> Nina

>

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Talk to me about oxalates for you and your sleepSent from my iPhone

Nina,

I didn't know if you knew this, but the "waking up wide awake ready to hit the road full steam ahead" in the middle of the night seems a very specific oxalate-related symptom in a LOT of people. This can happen after consuming high oxalate foods or during a "dump" which is when the body releases stored oxalate into circulation after there has been a decrease in oxalate supply.

Could either of those scenarios be relevant?

The pineal gland, which is what regulates melatonin, is not protected by the blood brain barrier. That's why it can be easily affected by oxalate that has been absorbed through a leaky gut. Wherever it goes, oxalate gets into the interior of cells and especially into the mitochondrion where it impairs the energy metabolism, but in glands, its effects in reducing what the gland secretes is likely caused by it binding up calcium intracellularly. Calcium is an important regulator of what cells take in from outside the cell and put out to deliver to the body which is why it may be unfortunate that the highest density of oxalate that stays in the body tends to be in glands, but especially the adrenal gland. I've talked to one of the scientists who should have looked at the pineal gland, but one of the reason the gland's uptake of oxalate hasn't been studied is that it is so tiny in mice!

(Autism Oxalate Project at ARI)

>

> My son is not sleeping we have given melatonin it puts him to sleep quickly, however he wakes a few hours later, hyper & ready to go. Any ideas, we are doing Respen A

> & I think I remember no GABA. Please help us, as he is either very fussy or falls asleep in school.

> Thank you

> Nina

>

[Guest guest]

Rule our Yeast, Reflux, and Seizures. Pamela From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of RGTSent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 12:16 PMTo: mb12 valtrex Subject: Not Sleeping! What to give? My son is not sleeping we have given melatonin it puts him to sleep quickly, however he wakes a few hours later, hyper & ready to go. Any ideas, we are doing Respen A & I think I remember no GABA. Please help us, as he is either very fussy or falls asleep in school.Thank youNina

[Guest guest]

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I'm not sure I understand what you are asking! On TLO, we have people with

autism but also a lot of other conditions now, like interstitial cystitis,

fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, etc., and it doesn't seem to matter which

condition is the " presenting " symptom, when people get too much oxalate or are

dumping, they often see this particular upset to sleep.

It is not that they have trouble getting to sleep. What they tell me is that

they wake up fully awake about 3 in the morning and cannot go back to sleep

because they are so awake. It doesn't seem to matter that much whether they

took melatonin to get to sleep.

This association to sleep is not THAT surprising since everybody knows how

coffee can keep you up, and it is a modulator of calcium intracellularly.

That's what oxalate tangles with, too, the intracellular regulation of calcium.

Also, oxalate ties up magnesium, too, which is a big regulator of circadian

rhythm.

What has been so comforting and exciting as the oxalate listserve has grown

because of people who have gotten better recruiting others with their same

conditions (started with parents of children with autism sharing the diet with

their kids) is that we see so much overlap with such different diagnoses. It

has helped confirm that what we saw originally with autism was spot-on!

Our autism kids are still making phenomenal progress they did not make on

previous diets, but these other listmates are so good at explaining to us things

these kids might feel but not be able to describe well to us.

Is that helpful?

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> > My son is not sleeping we have given melatonin it puts him to sleep quickly,

however he wakes a few hours later, hyper & ready to go. Any ideas, we are doing

Respen A

> > & I think I remember no GABA. Please help us, as he is either very fussy or

falls asleep in school.

> > Thank you

> > Nina

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