Re: frustrated

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No problem Dawn and thanks so much for understanding about this topic Eva

Oh, the reasons we wait before we type. I read this, got frustrated myself, because I couldn't see how to support someone without a group response. How do I know their personal e-mail. Tabled it to write other messages and look up other information, and realized, e-mails are in the post, and there is that little 'reply to sender' button too. Okay, in the future, I will try to use those features more. Dawn

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 11:24:12 AMSubject: Re: frustrated

I appreciate everyone who wants to talk about this topic and so does Gillian and we both understand that it is a part of life and we are not trying to sweep it under the rug. This list has a lot of newcomers to IE and this topic may cause them to fall into diet mentality again so we ask that all of you please talk about it privately or join Katcha's IE long haul group that is for people who have been practicing IE for a year or longer. This group has a good mix of both New IE and veteran IE that is why we get such great advice and encourage each other but sometimes we have to choose not to talk about certain topics that could cause people to stumble on the IE journey. As one of the moderators of this group I must ask all of you to respect Gillian's wishes and not talk about the food addiction topic Gillian very rarely asks the group not to discuss a toipic unless she has a good reason. Thanks so much everyone Eva

HI, All.

My two cents: Yes, we develop a dopamine driven urge to seek food, which has an opiate reward, and this is the fundamental model for an addiction. But what makes it different from all other addictions is that there is a vital human need for food and a built in mechanism in the body for dealing real or perceived threats of deprivation. And what we often call "food addiction" because it behaves like a drug addiction, is what happens when the body is threatened with food deprivation. While you can deal with any other addiction through abstinence, in the case of food addiction, it is abstinence itself, or the threat of it, which is the most frequent cause of it.

I do know that for me, going the "food addiction" route only contributed to my having less trust in myself and being more ravenous. Good luck, all.

April

We've had conversations about food addiction here before and if I remember right, we were told to stop talking about it the last time it was brought up. I think both you and your counselor have valid points though. And it should be a blend of both of your ideas, don't you think? Why would you be going to a counselor if you don't want to accept their ideas, and why would she be a counselor if she can't help?

I know some here don't want us to think about food addiction because that gives all the power to the food. However, anyone who's is recovering from any other kind of addiction knows it takes a different kind of counseling to deal with it. No you can't escape food and you most certainly have to develop a whole new relationship with it, but you can't just will away an addiction. You asked are you sticking your head in the sand denying food addiction...and I think the answer is yes. I was very frustrated when the subject was ended last time as if it doesn't exist. I would truly benefit from a good exchange of ideas and advice on dealing with this subject in the real world. From the last time, it seems like several people had that same feeling too. If anyone wants, I'd love to discuss this privately since it doesn't seem to be what this list is about.

Best!SunnyIn Beaverton, OR

Hi All!I wanted to get some thoughts from you about a conversation I had with my counselor today. She has several times mentioned that she thinks I have a food addiction. I have tried to mention that I think I need to learn how to not use food to cope with whatever emotions I am having. I think she has really helped me with a lot of things, but this issue just frustrates me. I really feel like the whole addiction road gives the power and control over to the food. "Oh no, I have to go to a party and there will be food there. Be afraid be very afraid" and if you "slip" or "relapes" you will have such a hard time getting back on the wagon. You can't hide from food. You can't protect yourself from being around it. I feel the only option is to be ok with it. Any thoughts are appreciated and I hope I'm not just being stubborn or sticking me head in the sand.ThanksBarb

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Oh, the reasons we wait before we type. I read this, got frustrated myself, because I couldn't see how to support someone without a group response. How do I know their personal e-mail. Tabled it to write other messages and look up other information, and realized, e-mails are in the post, and there is that little 'reply to sender' button too. Okay, in the future, I will try to use those features more. DawnFrom: "eidwriter@..."

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 11:24:12 AMSubject: Re: frustrated

I appreciate everyone who wants to talk about this topic and so does Gillian and we both understand that it is a part of life and we are not trying to sweep it under the rug. This list has a lot of newcomers to IE and this topic may cause them to fall into diet mentality again so we ask that all of you please talk about it privately or join Katcha's IE long haul group that is for people who have been practicing IE for a year or longer. This group has a good mix of both New IE and veteran IE that is why we get such great advice and encourage each other but sometimes we have to choose not to talk about certain topics that could cause people to stumble on the IE journey. As one of the moderators of this group I must ask all of you to respect Gillian's wishes and not talk about the food addiction topic Gillian very rarely asks the group not to discuss a toipic unless she has a good reason. Thanks so much everyone Eva

HI, All.

My two cents: Yes, we develop a dopamine driven urge to seek food, which has an opiate reward, and this is the fundamental model for an addiction. But what makes it different from all other addictions is that there is a vital human need for food and a built in mechanism in the body for dealing real or perceived threats of deprivation. And what we often call "food addiction" because it behaves like a drug addiction, is what happens when the body is threatened with food deprivation. While you can deal with any other addiction through abstinence, in the case of food addiction, it is abstinence itself, or the threat of it, which is the most frequent cause of it.

I do know that for me, going the "food addiction" route only contributed to my having less trust in myself and being more ravenous. Good luck, all.

April

We've had conversations about food addiction here before and if I remember right, we were told to stop talking about it the last time it was brought up. I think both you and your counselor have valid points though. And it should be a blend of both of your ideas, don't you think? Why would you be going to a counselor if you don't want to accept their ideas, and why would she be a counselor if she can't help?

I know some here don't want us to think about food addiction because that gives all the power to the food. However, anyone who's is recovering from any other kind of addiction knows it takes a different kind of counseling to deal with it. No you can't escape food and you most certainly have to develop a whole new relationship with it, but you can't just will away an addiction. You asked are you sticking your head in the sand denying food addiction...and I think the answer is yes. I was very frustrated when the subject was ended last time as if it doesn't exist. I would truly benefit from a good exchange of ideas and advice on dealing with this subject in the real world. From the last time, it seems like several people had that same feeling too. If anyone wants, I'd love to discuss this privately since it doesn't seem to be what this list is about.

Best!SunnyIn Beaverton, OR

Hi All!I wanted to get some thoughts from you about a conversation I had with my counselor today. She has several times mentioned that she thinks I have a food addiction. I have tried to mention that I think I need to learn how to not use food to cope with whatever emotions I am having. I think she has really helped me with a lot of things, but this issue just frustrates me. I really feel like the whole addiction road gives the power and control over to the food. "Oh no, I have to go to a party and there will be food there. Be afraid be very afraid" and if you "slip" or "relapes" you will have such a hard time getting back on the wagon. You can't hide from food. You can't protect yourself from being around it. I feel the only option is to be ok with it. Any thoughts are appreciated and I hope I'm not just being stubborn or sticking me head in the sand.ThanksBarb

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb,

IE really helped me deal with my anxiety about food with rejecting the diet

mentality, unconditional permission to eat, savoring food, listening to body

signals, and learning to trust my body. However, I still felt frustrated and

knew that I needed to learn how to not use food for other types of anxiety and

emotions.

So I saw someone write about " Shrink Yourself " on this list and I ordered a copy

and started reading it. I have to tell you that it has been four weeks since I

read it and it has changed my life in ways that I would have never imagined!!

I have been meaning to write on the list about it, but I have been so swamped

with final exams, etc... But for the first time in my life, I did not binge

during the high stress time of finals!

I finally feel grounded, present and so much more confident about myself, my

emotions and my relationship with food. I even told my IE nutritionist about it

and she hadn't heard of it, but she was very supportive and could really see the

difference it had made for me.

I also feel a lot lighter and my clothes are fitting a lot better, though I have

not weighed myself and not planning to.

I am a complete believer in IE, but the emotional eating was still one that I

could not get my head around until now. I felt that I would always have to be

battling with myself and it was so frustrating, not to mention it was really

hurting my confidence. So I would highly recommend reading the book!

Hope this helps,

M.

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> Hi All!

>

> I wanted to get some thoughts from you about a conversation I had with my

counselor today. She has several times mentioned that she thinks I have a food

addiction. I have tried to mention that I think I need to learn how to not use

food to cope with whatever emotions I am having. I think she has really helped

me with a lot of things, but this issue just frustrates me. I really feel like

the whole addiction road gives the power and control over to the food. " Oh no,

I have to go to a party and there will be food there. Be afraid be very afraid "

and if you " slip " or " relapes " you will have such a hard time getting back on

the wagon. You can't hide from food. You can't protect yourself from being

around it. I feel the only option is to be ok with it. Any thoughts are

appreciated and I hope I'm not just being stubborn or sticking me head in the

sand.

>

> Thanks

> Barb

>

[Guest guest]

I was in OA for 6 years, and lost 60 pounds. But I don't trust my body, or what it's trying to tell me. I still eat emotionally, and I still fear food and binging. I'm trying IE because I feel more integrated when I listen to and respect my body. I need some help with this, which is why I'm on this list. I too am interested in exploring or repudiating the addiction angle. I'm wondering if shame is intertwined with obsession, which leads to focus on food, which we cannot break until I break the shame messages.

Anyone else want to discuss?

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To: IntuitiveEating_Support From: eidwriter@...Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:54:31 -0500Subject: Re: frustrated

No problem Dawn and thanks so much for understanding about this topic Eva

Oh, the reasons we wait before we type. I read this, got frustrated myself, because I couldn't see how to support someone without a group response. How do I know their personal e-mail. Tabled it to write other messages and look up other information, and realized, e-mails are in the post, and there is that little 'reply to sender' button too. Okay, in the future, I will try to use those features more. Dawn

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 11:24:12 AMSubject: Re: frustrated

I appreciate everyone who wants to talk about this topic and so does Gillian and we both understand that it is a part of life and we are not trying to sweep it under the rug. This list has a lot of newcomers to IE and this topic may cause them to fall into diet mentality again so we ask that all of you please talk about it privately or join Katcha's IE long haul group that is for people who have been practicing IE for a year or longer. This group has a good mix of both New IE and veteran IE that is why we get such great advice and encourage each other but sometimes we have to choose not to talk about certain topics that could cause people to stumble on the IE journey. As one of the moderators of this group I must ask all of you to respect Gillian's wishes and not talk about the food addiction topic Gillian very rarely asks the group not to discuss a toipic unless she has a good reason. Thanks so much everyone Eva

HI, All.

My two cents: Yes, we develop a dopamine driven urge to seek food, which has an opiate reward, and this is the fundamental model for an addiction. But what makes it different from all other addictions is that there is a vital human need for food and a built in mechanism in the body for dealing real or perceived threats of deprivation. And what we often call "food addiction" because it behaves like a drug addiction, is what happens when the body is threatened with food deprivation. While you can deal with any other addiction through abstinence, in the case of food addiction, it is abstinence itself, or the threat of it, which is the most frequent cause of it.

I do know that for me, going the "food addiction" route only contributed to my having less trust in myself and being more ravenous. Good luck, all.

April

We've had conversations about food addiction here before and if I remember right, we were told to stop talking about it the last time it was brought up. I think both you and your counselor have valid points though. And it should be a blend of both of your ideas, don't you think? Why would you be going to a counselor if you don't want to accept their ideas, and why would she be a counselor if she can't help?

I know some here don't want us to think about food addiction because that gives all the power to the food. However, anyone who's is recovering from any other kind of addiction knows it takes a different kind of counseling to deal with it. No you can't escape food and you most certainly have to develop a whole new relationship with it, but you can't just will away an addiction. You asked are you sticking your head in the sand denying food addiction...and I think the answer is yes. I was very frustrated when the subject was ended last time as if it doesn't exist. I would truly benefit from a good exchange of ideas and advice on dealing with this subject in the real world. From the last time, it seems like several people had that same feeling too. If anyone wants, I'd love to discuss this privately since it doesn't seem to be what this list is about.

Best!SunnyIn Beaverton, OR

Hi All!I wanted to get some thoughts from you about a conversation I had with my counselor today. She has several times mentioned that she thinks I have a food addiction. I have tried to mention that I think I need to learn how to not use food to cope with whatever emotions I am having. I think she has really helped me with a lot of things, but this issue just frustrates me. I really feel like the whole addiction road gives the power and control over to the food. "Oh no, I have to go to a party and there will be food there. Be afraid be very afraid" and if you "slip" or "relapes" you will have such a hard time getting back on the wagon. You can't hide from food. You can't protect yourself from being around it. I feel the only option is to be ok with it. Any thoughts are appreciated and I hope I'm not just being stubborn or sticking me head in the sand.ThanksBarb