Guest guest Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 I feel for you. Sounds like you're on the right track! Please excuse any typos or terseness, this message was sent from a mobile device. Just figured this out. Here's my story. Hi all. So I just found out about my mom's BPD this summer. Apparently my dad has long suspected she has BPD, but she always quit counseling before a real diagnosis could be made. This summer, my first summer at home since leaving for college, she told me " I'm leaving. Soon. " She said there was someone else, that she would always love my dad, etc. She told me she would be leaving that Friday. I was the only one who knew. I held her while she cried and she said " Oh God, I never thought I'd be having this conversation with my baby... " She cried, and I comforted her, and waited for her to calm down. She asked me if I would visit her when she moved across the country to live with her new man. My first instinct was to comfort her and assure her that of course I would, but I said I have school, and she said there are schools out there. Things went on like that. The next four days were hell. By day, while my dad was at work, she made her preparations. At night when he'd come home, I'd be blank with terror because I knew what was coming but couldn't say anything. Originally she told me she would confront my dad on Friday after work, and that I probably shouldn't be in the house. I agreed, since I figured they would want a private talk. Friday morning, however, I figured out she intended just to bolt, leaving only a note for my father. The night before, I held her again on the couch while she cried (after dad went to bed.) She asked me if I would come with her, but I knew that wasn't how the story was supposed to go--she was just supposed to be altruistic enough to invite me. On Friday she spent the day packing, asking me to help her carry things downstairs. I moved about three bags but the stress of HELPING her do this was making my stomach clench, and I finally told her " I can't help you any more. I'm going to pick up the house. " She readily agreed, then proceeded to huff and puff dramatically as she carried things downstairs. After she left was the worst. I was alone in the apartment, trying to do damage control. I cleaned (because that always seemed to calm mom down,) and I hid my dad's favorite glass mug (because mom suggested he may go into a rage, and I didn't want him to break his favorite mug,) and I hid sharps (because that was the route my sister usually took.) But I had no idea what to expect from my dad. I had thought he would just be quiet and sad, but as she was leaving my mom kept saying how she wouldn't stay here if it was her--she would stay at a friend's house until he had time to 'cool-off.' I was frantic with stress, trying to perfect the house, trying to decide where to go, what to do. I left the house briefly, then came back. My sister called me. My mother had left our house to drive to where my sister lived to tell her in person. Sister figured it out before she got there, and told her to turn around because she didn't want to see her. Sister then called me. We had a rare moment of Sister bonding. I told her I didn't know if I should stay or go, what would be best for dad. Because if he wants to be alone, I don't want to bother him, but if he doesn't want to be alone, I can't leave him. She told me to be selfish: what did I want? I stayed, and he didn't come home in a rage, just tired and sad and how I thought he'd be. We were sad together and it was better. There's a lot more to the story. One of the most relevant bits of recent information is that my mom's bf left her (to return to his wife and kids.) So now she's begging my dad to let her come back. This isn't the first time she's done things like this. It's just the first time it was dramatic enough and I was included directly enough for me to finally snap and see what she's been doing my entire life. Also in further discussions with my dad, he finally revealed his suspicion of her BPD. I'm not talking to her right now (it's been just under 3 months since she sent me a message detailing how she was so upset her BF dumped her that she cut and cut and cut. The message was lovingly detailed. After that I told her not to contact me before Thanksgiving.) What I'm trying to do right now is focus on me. I don't want to grow up maintaining the ridiculous fears and coping mechanisms I had to learn to use around her. I'm working to figure out how much of my fears and insecurities are really mine, and which ones are mostly shaped by her attitudes. For instance. I feel like most conversations are a script, and I know what I'm " supposed to " say, regardless of anything else. I feel responsible for 'allowing' my mother to treat me the way she has for so long. I realize that every time I'm with people, I have this sense of holding my breath. I want them to say or do something so I know how I'm supposed to be reacting. I'm dating someone long distance(a very sweet, very normal guy and my most serious relationship thus far,) but I'm terrified that if I do what I want, I am somehow denying him of what he wants, or betraying him in some way. A lot of thoughts are surfacing, but I'm starting to get a little distance from them and work on brushing them away. Because these aren't my fears. If I can just look past the ridiculous things my thoughts say sometimes, I'm a very calm, laid back, pretty confident person. But it feels like there is this film of badness between me and 'my thoughts.' But I'm in here. Just kind of buried. I guess what I'd like from you guys is advice on moving on. I request no comments on my not speaking to my mother, because while that may not be permanent, it is something I need and am unwavering on for now. I'm working very hard to stay in the present moment, not feeling like I have to stay emotionally and mentally four steps ahead to stave off impending disaster. And I guess I just need some support in that. I just transferred to a new school, so I don't have a ton of close friends yet, and I've always had a little trouble finding close friends. Had a few friends pulled out of my life suddenly when I was younger and I think I'm still fighting some feelings of abandonment there. Anyway. I'm really happy this place exists. Reading over some people's stories, I feel a little less lonely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 Wow,honey,you've really been through alot.I'm glad you found us--I think as you read the members' posts here you'll see that many of us struggle with the issues you have mentioned. Some of us here maintain a No Contact (NC) stance with our mothers (a term we use here for our BPD mothers is " nada " for " not a mother " ).I am one of the members who is completely NC with my nada.Others here are Low Contact (LC) with their nadas and others have regular contact.Our contact levels depend upon our particular situations and what we feel is best for us. You wrote in your post that you would like advice about moving on.It sounds to me like your best course of action right now would be to start to create a support network for yourself.This message board is a good place to get peer support from people who get what it's like to have a BPD parent,who will validate you rather than judge you.We know how painful and upsetting their crazy is.Does your college offer therapy or counseling services? I suggest this not because I think there's anything " wrong " with you but because I know dealing with a BPD mother and the issues that brings is tough--and if your vital self is kind of buried,a therapist or counselor can help you to better access your own " you " -ness.Our nadas put so much of their own stuff onto us that often we have,as you wrote, " a film of badness " between ourselves and our thoughts.I can relate to that! It sounds like you need to spend some good time tending to you and a therapist could really help with that and be a strong link in your support network.My own therapist has been a great support as I come to terms with the realities of having been " raised " by a BPD mother; seeing her is something I do for *me*. I have to say after reading your post that what your mother did with swearing you to silence about her leaving your father was extremely unfair to you.She put you in a terrible position and it's no wonder you felt so anxious and upset.That was not a secret you should have been asked to keep.And to have you fearing your father's reaction after she had left was also very wrong,for her to leave you in such a situation.Even though,I know,she asked you if you'd come with her.But from what you wrote in your post--correct me please if I misinterpreted it--it sounds like she was going off to be with some married man? At any rate,a man who has already ended his relationship with her and returned to his wife and kids--but she suggested you might change schools to accompany her? And what if you had? Disrupted your studies and your life--and now that relationship has bitten the dust and she's out there cutting herself repeatedly.Thank goodness you stayed put! You are not responsible for your mother's well being.It sounds to me that she has parentified you,expecting you to care take her emotions/moods at the expense of your own needs.It is *her* responsibility to take care of *herself*.Focusing on you right now is absolutely the right thing to do--it is healthy and good for you to focus on yourself! We can't force our BPD mothers to get help or to change their behaviors.You have good insight into what you want to work on for yourself and that is something you can do. > > Hi all. > > So I just found out about my mom's BPD this summer. Apparently my dad has long suspected she has BPD, but she always quit counseling before a real diagnosis could be made. > This summer, my first summer at home since leaving for college, she told me " I'm leaving. Soon. " She said there was someone else, that she would always love my dad, etc. She told me she would be leaving that Friday. I was the only one who knew. I held her while she cried and she said " Oh God, I never thought I'd be having this conversation with my baby... " She cried, and I comforted her, and waited for her to calm down. She asked me if I would visit her when she moved across the country to live with her new man. My first instinct was to comfort her and assure her that of course I would, but I said I have school, and she said there are schools out there. Things went on like that. > The next four days were hell. By day, while my dad was at work, she made her preparations. At night when he'd come home, I'd be blank with terror because I knew what was coming but couldn't say anything. Originally she told me she would confront my dad on Friday after work, and that I probably shouldn't be in the house. I agreed, since I figured they would want a private talk. Friday morning, however, I figured out she intended just to bolt, leaving only a note for my father. The night before, I held her again on the couch while she cried (after dad went to bed.) She asked me if I would come with her, but I knew that wasn't how the story was supposed to go--she was just supposed to be altruistic enough to invite me. On Friday she spent the day packing, asking me to help her carry things downstairs. I moved about three bags but the stress of HELPING her do this was making my stomach clench, and I finally told her " I can't help you any more. I'm going to pick up the house. " She readily agreed, then proceeded to huff and puff dramatically as she carried things downstairs. After she left was the worst. I was alone in the apartment, trying to do damage control. I cleaned (because that always seemed to calm mom down,) and I hid my dad's favorite glass mug (because mom suggested he may go into a rage, and I didn't want him to break his favorite mug,) and I hid sharps (because that was the route my sister usually took.) But I had no idea what to expect from my dad. I had thought he would just be quiet and sad, but as she was leaving my mom kept saying how she wouldn't stay here if it was her--she would stay at a friend's house until he had time to 'cool-off.' I was frantic with stress, trying to perfect the house, trying to decide where to go, what to do. I left the house briefly, then came back. My sister called me. My mother had left our house to drive to where my sister lived to tell her in person. Sister figured it out before she got there, and told her to turn around because she didn't want to see her. Sister then called me. We had a rare moment of Sister bonding. I told her I didn't know if I should stay or go, what would be best for dad. Because if he wants to be alone, I don't want to bother him, but if he doesn't want to be alone, I can't leave him. She told me to be selfish: what did I want? I stayed, and he didn't come home in a rage, just tired and sad and how I thought he'd be. We were sad together and it was better. > There's a lot more to the story. One of the most relevant bits of recent information is that my mom's bf left her (to return to his wife and kids.) So now she's begging my dad to let her come back. > This isn't the first time she's done things like this. It's just the first time it was dramatic enough and I was included directly enough for me to finally snap and see what she's been doing my entire life. Also in further discussions with my dad, he finally revealed his suspicion of her BPD. > > I'm not talking to her right now (it's been just under 3 months since she sent me a message detailing how she was so upset her BF dumped her that she cut and cut and cut. The message was lovingly detailed. After that I told her not to contact me before Thanksgiving.) What I'm trying to do right now is focus on me. I don't want to grow up maintaining the ridiculous fears and coping mechanisms I had to learn to use around her. I'm working to figure out how much of my fears and insecurities are really mine, and which ones are mostly shaped by her attitudes. For instance. I feel like most conversations are a script, and I know what I'm " supposed to " say, regardless of anything else. I feel responsible for 'allowing' my mother to treat me the way she has for so long. I realize that every time I'm with people, I have this sense of holding my breath. I want them to say or do something so I know how I'm supposed to be reacting. I'm dating someone long distance(a very sweet, very normal guy and my most serious relationship thus far,) but I'm terrified that if I do what I want, I am somehow denying him of what he wants, or betraying him in some way. > > A lot of thoughts are surfacing, but I'm starting to get a little distance from them and work on brushing them away. Because these aren't my fears. If I can just look past the ridiculous things my thoughts say sometimes, I'm a very calm, laid back, pretty confident person. But it feels like there is this film of badness between me and 'my thoughts.' But I'm in here. Just kind of buried. > > I guess what I'd like from you guys is advice on moving on. I request no comments on my not speaking to my mother, because while that may not be permanent, it is something I need and am unwavering on for now. I'm working very hard to stay in the present moment, not feeling like I have to stay emotionally and mentally four steps ahead to stave off impending disaster. And I guess I just need some support in that. I just transferred to a new school, so I don't have a ton of close friends yet, and I've always had a little trouble finding close friends. Had a few friends pulled out of my life suddenly when I was younger and I think I'm still fighting some feelings of abandonment there. > > Anyway. I'm really happy this place exists. Reading over some people's stories, I feel a little less lonely. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 Hi Hill, Welcome to the Group. I think the behaviors and traits of your mother sound pretty much like bpd to me also (with a generous portion of narcissistic pd thrown in as well) although I'm no therapist. And your dad sounds like the kind of " dishrag " or enabling dad a lot of us have or had, as well. That's good that you are starting to realize that your own individual emotional growth and health have been negatively impacted by your parents. Its not healthy *at all* for parents to share their personal marital relationship problems with their children and make their children feel responsible for their parent's happiness. That's called " emotional incest " (sharing too much intimate, personal information with a child, turning the child into a confidante, confessor, therapist, and/or surrogate parent/surrogate spouse) and its a form of emotional abuse. Your insight about this dysfunctional dynamic is a step in the right direction for you. If you haven't started reading any of the excellent books out there about bpd and the parent/child relationship, then, I recommend that. Educating yourself more about how having a bpd/npd parent can make a deep wound in their children's lives is very important step in healing. One of the best of these books is " Understanding The Borderline Mother " . > > Hi all. > > So I just found out about my mom's BPD this summer. Apparently my dad has long suspected she has BPD, but she always quit counseling before a real diagnosis could be made. > This summer, my first summer at home since leaving for college, she told me " I'm leaving. Soon. " She said there was someone else, that she would always love my dad, etc. She told me she would be leaving that Friday. I was the only one who knew. I held her while she cried and she said " Oh God, I never thought I'd be having this conversation with my baby... " She cried, and I comforted her, and waited for her to calm down. She asked me if I would visit her when she moved across the country to live with her new man. My first instinct was to comfort her and assure her that of course I would, but I said I have school, and she said there are schools out there. Things went on like that. > The next four days were hell. By day, while my dad was at work, she made her preparations. At night when he'd come home, I'd be blank with terror because I knew what was coming but couldn't say anything. Originally she told me she would confront my dad on Friday after work, and that I probably shouldn't be in the house. I agreed, since I figured they would want a private talk. Friday morning, however, I figured out she intended just to bolt, leaving only a note for my father. The night before, I held her again on the couch while she cried (after dad went to bed.) She asked me if I would come with her, but I knew that wasn't how the story was supposed to go--she was just supposed to be altruistic enough to invite me. On Friday she spent the day packing, asking me to help her carry things downstairs. I moved about three bags but the stress of HELPING her do this was making my stomach clench, and I finally told her " I can't help you any more. I'm going to pick up the house. " She readily agreed, then proceeded to huff and puff dramatically as she carried things downstairs. After she left was the worst. I was alone in the apartment, trying to do damage control. I cleaned (because that always seemed to calm mom down,) and I hid my dad's favorite glass mug (because mom suggested he may go into a rage, and I didn't want him to break his favorite mug,) and I hid sharps (because that was the route my sister usually took.) But I had no idea what to expect from my dad. I had thought he would just be quiet and sad, but as she was leaving my mom kept saying how she wouldn't stay here if it was her--she would stay at a friend's house until he had time to 'cool-off.' I was frantic with stress, trying to perfect the house, trying to decide where to go, what to do. I left the house briefly, then came back. My sister called me. My mother had left our house to drive to where my sister lived to tell her in person. Sister figured it out before she got there, and told her to turn around because she didn't want to see her. Sister then called me. We had a rare moment of Sister bonding. I told her I didn't know if I should stay or go, what would be best for dad. Because if he wants to be alone, I don't want to bother him, but if he doesn't want to be alone, I can't leave him. She told me to be selfish: what did I want? I stayed, and he didn't come home in a rage, just tired and sad and how I thought he'd be. We were sad together and it was better. > There's a lot more to the story. One of the most relevant bits of recent information is that my mom's bf left her (to return to his wife and kids.) So now she's begging my dad to let her come back. > This isn't the first time she's done things like this. It's just the first time it was dramatic enough and I was included directly enough for me to finally snap and see what she's been doing my entire life. Also in further discussions with my dad, he finally revealed his suspicion of her BPD. > > I'm not talking to her right now (it's been just under 3 months since she sent me a message detailing how she was so upset her BF dumped her that she cut and cut and cut. The message was lovingly detailed. After that I told her not to contact me before Thanksgiving.) What I'm trying to do right now is focus on me. I don't want to grow up maintaining the ridiculous fears and coping mechanisms I had to learn to use around her. I'm working to figure out how much of my fears and insecurities are really mine, and which ones are mostly shaped by her attitudes. For instance. I feel like most conversations are a script, and I know what I'm " supposed to " say, regardless of anything else. I feel responsible for 'allowing' my mother to treat me the way she has for so long. I realize that every time I'm with people, I have this sense of holding my breath. I want them to say or do something so I know how I'm supposed to be reacting. I'm dating someone long distance(a very sweet, very normal guy and my most serious relationship thus far,) but I'm terrified that if I do what I want, I am somehow denying him of what he wants, or betraying him in some way. > > A lot of thoughts are surfacing, but I'm starting to get a little distance from them and work on brushing them away. Because these aren't my fears. If I can just look past the ridiculous things my thoughts say sometimes, I'm a very calm, laid back, pretty confident person. But it feels like there is this film of badness between me and 'my thoughts.' But I'm in here. Just kind of buried. > > I guess what I'd like from you guys is advice on moving on. I request no comments on my not speaking to my mother, because while that may not be permanent, it is something I need and am unwavering on for now. I'm working very hard to stay in the present moment, not feeling like I have to stay emotionally and mentally four steps ahead to stave off impending disaster. And I guess I just need some support in that. I just transferred to a new school, so I don't have a ton of close friends yet, and I've always had a little trouble finding close friends. Had a few friends pulled out of my life suddenly when I was younger and I think I'm still fighting some feelings of abandonment there. > > Anyway. I'm really happy this place exists. Reading over some people's stories, I feel a little less lonely. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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