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Just figured this out. Here's my story.

Hi all.

So I just found out about my mom's BPD this summer. Apparently my dad has long

suspected she has BPD, but she always quit counseling before a real diagnosis

could be made.

This summer, my first summer at home since leaving for college, she told me " I'm

leaving. Soon. " She said there was someone else, that she would always love my

dad, etc. She told me she would be leaving that Friday. I was the only one who

knew. I held her while she cried and she said " Oh God, I never thought I'd be

having this conversation with my baby... " She cried, and I comforted her, and

waited for her to calm down. She asked me if I would visit her when she moved

across the country to live with her new man. My first instinct was to comfort

her and assure her that of course I would, but I said I have school, and she

said there are schools out there. Things went on like that.

The next four days were hell. By day, while my dad was at work, she made her

preparations. At night when he'd come home, I'd be blank with terror because I

knew what was coming but couldn't say anything. Originally she told me she would

confront my dad on Friday after work, and that I probably shouldn't be in the

house. I agreed, since I figured they would want a private talk. Friday morning,

however, I figured out she intended just to bolt, leaving only a note for my

father. The night before, I held her again on the couch while she cried (after

dad went to bed.) She asked me if I would come with her, but I knew that wasn't

how the story was supposed to go--she was just supposed to be altruistic enough

to invite me. On Friday she spent the day packing, asking me to help her carry

things downstairs. I moved about three bags but the stress of HELPING her do

this was making my stomach clench, and I finally told her " I can't help you any

more. I'm going to pick up the house. " She readily agreed, then proceeded to

huff and puff dramatically as she carried things downstairs. After she left was

the worst. I was alone in the apartment, trying to do damage control. I cleaned

(because that always seemed to calm mom down,) and I hid my dad's favorite glass

mug (because mom suggested he may go into a rage, and I didn't want him to break

his favorite mug,) and I hid sharps (because that was the route my sister

usually took.) But I had no idea what to expect from my dad. I had thought he

would just be quiet and sad, but as she was leaving my mom kept saying how she

wouldn't stay here if it was her--she would stay at a friend's house until he

had time to 'cool-off.' I was frantic with stress, trying to perfect the house,

trying to decide where to go, what to do. I left the house briefly, then came

back. My sister called me. My mother had left our house to drive to where my

sister lived to tell her in person. Sister figured it out before she got there,

and told her to turn around because she didn't want to see her. Sister then

called me. We had a rare moment of Sister bonding. I told her I didn't know if I

should stay or go, what would be best for dad. Because if he wants to be alone,

I don't want to bother him, but if he doesn't want to be alone, I can't leave

him. She told me to be selfish: what did I want? I stayed, and he didn't come

home in a rage, just tired and sad and how I thought he'd be. We were sad

together and it was better.

There's a lot more to the story. One of the most relevant bits of recent

information is that my mom's bf left her (to return to his wife and kids.) So

now she's begging my dad to let her come back.

This isn't the first time she's done things like this. It's just the first time

it was dramatic enough and I was included directly enough for me to finally snap

and see what she's been doing my entire life. Also in further discussions with

my dad, he finally revealed his suspicion of her BPD.

I'm not talking to her right now (it's been just under 3 months since she sent

me a message detailing how she was so upset her BF dumped her that she cut and

cut and cut. The message was lovingly detailed. After that I told her not to

contact me before Thanksgiving.) What I'm trying to do right now is focus on me.

I don't want to grow up maintaining the ridiculous fears and coping mechanisms I

had to learn to use around her. I'm working to figure out how much of my fears

and insecurities are really mine, and which ones are mostly shaped by her

attitudes. For instance. I feel like most conversations are a script, and I know

what I'm " supposed to " say, regardless of anything else. I feel responsible for

'allowing' my mother to treat me the way she has for so long. I realize that

every time I'm with people, I have this sense of holding my breath. I want them

to say or do something so I know how I'm supposed to be reacting. I'm dating

someone long distance(a very sweet, very normal guy and my most serious

relationship thus far,) but I'm terrified that if I do what I want, I am somehow

denying him of what he wants, or betraying him in some way.

A lot of thoughts are surfacing, but I'm starting to get a little distance from

them and work on brushing them away. Because these aren't my fears. If I can

just look past the ridiculous things my thoughts say sometimes, I'm a very calm,

laid back, pretty confident person. But it feels like there is this film of

badness between me and 'my thoughts.' But I'm in here. Just kind of buried.

I guess what I'd like from you guys is advice on moving on. I request no

comments on my not speaking to my mother, because while that may not be

permanent, it is something I need and am unwavering on for now. I'm working very

hard to stay in the present moment, not feeling like I have to stay emotionally

and mentally four steps ahead to stave off impending disaster. And I guess I

just need some support in that. I just transferred to a new school, so I don't

have a ton of close friends yet, and I've always had a little trouble finding

close friends. Had a few friends pulled out of my life suddenly when I was

younger and I think I'm still fighting some feelings of abandonment there.

Anyway. I'm really happy this place exists. Reading over some people's stories,

I feel a little less lonely.

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Wow,honey,you've really been through alot.I'm glad you found us--I think as you

read the members' posts here you'll see that many of us struggle with the issues

you have mentioned.

Some of us here maintain a No Contact (NC) stance with our mothers (a

term we use here for our BPD mothers is " nada " for " not a mother " ).I am one of

the members who is completely NC with my nada.Others here are Low Contact (LC)

with their nadas and others have regular contact.Our contact levels depend upon

our particular situations and what we feel is best for us.

You wrote in your post that you would like advice about moving on.It

sounds to me like your best course of action right now would be to start to

create a support network for yourself.This message board is a good place to get

peer support from people who get what it's like to have a BPD parent,who will

validate you rather than judge you.We know how painful and upsetting their crazy

is.Does your college offer therapy or counseling services? I suggest this not

because I think there's anything " wrong " with you but because I know dealing

with a BPD mother and the issues that brings is tough--and if your vital self is

kind of buried,a therapist or counselor can help you to better access your own

" you " -ness.Our nadas put so much of their own stuff onto us that often we

have,as you wrote, " a film of badness " between ourselves and our thoughts.I can

relate to that! It sounds like you need to spend some good time tending to you

and a therapist could really help with that and be a strong link in your support

network.My own therapist has been a great support as I come to terms with the

realities of having been " raised " by a BPD mother; seeing her is something I do

for *me*.

I have to say after reading your post that what your mother did with

swearing you to silence about her leaving your father was extremely unfair to

you.She put you in a terrible position and it's no wonder you felt so anxious

and upset.That was not a secret you should have been asked to keep.And to have

you fearing your father's reaction after she had left was also very wrong,for

her to leave you in such a situation.Even though,I know,she asked you if you'd

come with her.But from what you wrote in your post--correct me please if I

misinterpreted it--it sounds like she was going off to be with some married man?

At any rate,a man who has already ended his relationship with her and returned

to his wife and kids--but she suggested you might change schools to accompany

her? And what if you had? Disrupted your studies and your life--and now that

relationship has bitten the dust and she's out there cutting herself

repeatedly.Thank goodness you stayed put!

You are not responsible for your mother's well being.It sounds to me

that she has parentified you,expecting you to care take her emotions/moods at

the expense of your own needs.It is *her* responsibility to take care of

*herself*.Focusing on you right now is absolutely the right thing to do--it is

healthy and good for you to focus on yourself! We can't force our BPD mothers to

get help or to change their behaviors.You have good insight into what you want

to work on for yourself and that is something you can do.

>

> Hi all.

>

> So I just found out about my mom's BPD this summer. Apparently my dad has long

suspected she has BPD, but she always quit counseling before a real diagnosis

could be made.

> This summer, my first summer at home since leaving for college, she told me

" I'm leaving. Soon. " She said there was someone else, that she would always love

my dad, etc. She told me she would be leaving that Friday. I was the only one

who knew. I held her while she cried and she said " Oh God, I never thought I'd

be having this conversation with my baby... " She cried, and I comforted her, and

waited for her to calm down. She asked me if I would visit her when she moved

across the country to live with her new man. My first instinct was to comfort

her and assure her that of course I would, but I said I have school, and she

said there are schools out there. Things went on like that.

> The next four days were hell. By day, while my dad was at work, she made her

preparations. At night when he'd come home, I'd be blank with terror because I

knew what was coming but couldn't say anything. Originally she told me she would

confront my dad on Friday after work, and that I probably shouldn't be in the

house. I agreed, since I figured they would want a private talk. Friday morning,

however, I figured out she intended just to bolt, leaving only a note for my

father. The night before, I held her again on the couch while she cried (after

dad went to bed.) She asked me if I would come with her, but I knew that wasn't

how the story was supposed to go--she was just supposed to be altruistic enough

to invite me. On Friday she spent the day packing, asking me to help her carry

things downstairs. I moved about three bags but the stress of HELPING her do

this was making my stomach clench, and I finally told her " I can't help you any

more. I'm going to pick up the house. " She readily agreed, then proceeded to

huff and puff dramatically as she carried things downstairs. After she left was

the worst. I was alone in the apartment, trying to do damage control. I cleaned

(because that always seemed to calm mom down,) and I hid my dad's favorite glass

mug (because mom suggested he may go into a rage, and I didn't want him to break

his favorite mug,) and I hid sharps (because that was the route my sister

usually took.) But I had no idea what to expect from my dad. I had thought he

would just be quiet and sad, but as she was leaving my mom kept saying how she

wouldn't stay here if it was her--she would stay at a friend's house until he

had time to 'cool-off.' I was frantic with stress, trying to perfect the house,

trying to decide where to go, what to do. I left the house briefly, then came

back. My sister called me. My mother had left our house to drive to where my

sister lived to tell her in person. Sister figured it out before she got there,

and told her to turn around because she didn't want to see her. Sister then

called me. We had a rare moment of Sister bonding. I told her I didn't know if I

should stay or go, what would be best for dad. Because if he wants to be alone,

I don't want to bother him, but if he doesn't want to be alone, I can't leave

him. She told me to be selfish: what did I want? I stayed, and he didn't come

home in a rage, just tired and sad and how I thought he'd be. We were sad

together and it was better.

> There's a lot more to the story. One of the most relevant bits of recent

information is that my mom's bf left her (to return to his wife and kids.) So

now she's begging my dad to let her come back.

> This isn't the first time she's done things like this. It's just the first

time it was dramatic enough and I was included directly enough for me to finally

snap and see what she's been doing my entire life. Also in further discussions

with my dad, he finally revealed his suspicion of her BPD.

>

> I'm not talking to her right now (it's been just under 3 months since she sent

me a message detailing how she was so upset her BF dumped her that she cut and

cut and cut. The message was lovingly detailed. After that I told her not to

contact me before Thanksgiving.) What I'm trying to do right now is focus on me.

I don't want to grow up maintaining the ridiculous fears and coping mechanisms I

had to learn to use around her. I'm working to figure out how much of my fears

and insecurities are really mine, and which ones are mostly shaped by her

attitudes. For instance. I feel like most conversations are a script, and I know

what I'm " supposed to " say, regardless of anything else. I feel responsible for

'allowing' my mother to treat me the way she has for so long. I realize that

every time I'm with people, I have this sense of holding my breath. I want them

to say or do something so I know how I'm supposed to be reacting. I'm dating

someone long distance(a very sweet, very normal guy and my most serious

relationship thus far,) but I'm terrified that if I do what I want, I am somehow

denying him of what he wants, or betraying him in some way.

>

> A lot of thoughts are surfacing, but I'm starting to get a little distance

from them and work on brushing them away. Because these aren't my fears. If I

can just look past the ridiculous things my thoughts say sometimes, I'm a very

calm, laid back, pretty confident person. But it feels like there is this film

of badness between me and 'my thoughts.' But I'm in here. Just kind of buried.

>

> I guess what I'd like from you guys is advice on moving on. I request no

comments on my not speaking to my mother, because while that may not be

permanent, it is something I need and am unwavering on for now. I'm working very

hard to stay in the present moment, not feeling like I have to stay emotionally

and mentally four steps ahead to stave off impending disaster. And I guess I

just need some support in that. I just transferred to a new school, so I don't

have a ton of close friends yet, and I've always had a little trouble finding

close friends. Had a few friends pulled out of my life suddenly when I was

younger and I think I'm still fighting some feelings of abandonment there.

>

> Anyway. I'm really happy this place exists. Reading over some people's

stories, I feel a little less lonely.

>

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Hi Hill,

Welcome to the Group.

I think the behaviors and traits of your mother sound pretty much like bpd to me

also (with a generous portion of narcissistic pd thrown in as well) although I'm

no therapist. And your dad sounds like the kind of " dishrag " or enabling dad a

lot of us have or had, as well.

That's good that you are starting to realize that your own individual emotional

growth and health have been negatively impacted by your parents.

Its not healthy *at all* for parents to share their personal marital

relationship problems with their children and make their children feel

responsible for their parent's happiness. That's called " emotional incest "

(sharing too much intimate, personal information with a child, turning the child

into a confidante, confessor, therapist, and/or surrogate parent/surrogate

spouse) and its a form of emotional abuse. Your insight about this

dysfunctional dynamic is a step in the right direction for you.

If you haven't started reading any of the excellent books out there about bpd

and the parent/child relationship, then, I recommend that. Educating yourself

more about how having a bpd/npd parent can make a deep wound in their children's

lives is very important step in healing.

One of the best of these books is " Understanding The Borderline Mother " .

>

> Hi all.

>

> So I just found out about my mom's BPD this summer. Apparently my dad has long

suspected she has BPD, but she always quit counseling before a real diagnosis

could be made.

> This summer, my first summer at home since leaving for college, she told me

" I'm leaving. Soon. " She said there was someone else, that she would always love

my dad, etc. She told me she would be leaving that Friday. I was the only one

who knew. I held her while she cried and she said " Oh God, I never thought I'd

be having this conversation with my baby... " She cried, and I comforted her, and

waited for her to calm down. She asked me if I would visit her when she moved

across the country to live with her new man. My first instinct was to comfort

her and assure her that of course I would, but I said I have school, and she

said there are schools out there. Things went on like that.

> The next four days were hell. By day, while my dad was at work, she made her

preparations. At night when he'd come home, I'd be blank with terror because I

knew what was coming but couldn't say anything. Originally she told me she would

confront my dad on Friday after work, and that I probably shouldn't be in the

house. I agreed, since I figured they would want a private talk. Friday morning,

however, I figured out she intended just to bolt, leaving only a note for my

father. The night before, I held her again on the couch while she cried (after

dad went to bed.) She asked me if I would come with her, but I knew that wasn't

how the story was supposed to go--she was just supposed to be altruistic enough

to invite me. On Friday she spent the day packing, asking me to help her carry

things downstairs. I moved about three bags but the stress of HELPING her do

this was making my stomach clench, and I finally told her " I can't help you any

more. I'm going to pick up the house. " She readily agreed, then proceeded to

huff and puff dramatically as she carried things downstairs. After she left was

the worst. I was alone in the apartment, trying to do damage control. I cleaned

(because that always seemed to calm mom down,) and I hid my dad's favorite glass

mug (because mom suggested he may go into a rage, and I didn't want him to break

his favorite mug,) and I hid sharps (because that was the route my sister

usually took.) But I had no idea what to expect from my dad. I had thought he

would just be quiet and sad, but as she was leaving my mom kept saying how she

wouldn't stay here if it was her--she would stay at a friend's house until he

had time to 'cool-off.' I was frantic with stress, trying to perfect the house,

trying to decide where to go, what to do. I left the house briefly, then came

back. My sister called me. My mother had left our house to drive to where my

sister lived to tell her in person. Sister figured it out before she got there,

and told her to turn around because she didn't want to see her. Sister then

called me. We had a rare moment of Sister bonding. I told her I didn't know if I

should stay or go, what would be best for dad. Because if he wants to be alone,

I don't want to bother him, but if he doesn't want to be alone, I can't leave

him. She told me to be selfish: what did I want? I stayed, and he didn't come

home in a rage, just tired and sad and how I thought he'd be. We were sad

together and it was better.

> There's a lot more to the story. One of the most relevant bits of recent

information is that my mom's bf left her (to return to his wife and kids.) So

now she's begging my dad to let her come back.

> This isn't the first time she's done things like this. It's just the first

time it was dramatic enough and I was included directly enough for me to finally

snap and see what she's been doing my entire life. Also in further discussions

with my dad, he finally revealed his suspicion of her BPD.

>

> I'm not talking to her right now (it's been just under 3 months since she sent

me a message detailing how she was so upset her BF dumped her that she cut and

cut and cut. The message was lovingly detailed. After that I told her not to

contact me before Thanksgiving.) What I'm trying to do right now is focus on me.

I don't want to grow up maintaining the ridiculous fears and coping mechanisms I

had to learn to use around her. I'm working to figure out how much of my fears

and insecurities are really mine, and which ones are mostly shaped by her

attitudes. For instance. I feel like most conversations are a script, and I know

what I'm " supposed to " say, regardless of anything else. I feel responsible for

'allowing' my mother to treat me the way she has for so long. I realize that

every time I'm with people, I have this sense of holding my breath. I want them

to say or do something so I know how I'm supposed to be reacting. I'm dating

someone long distance(a very sweet, very normal guy and my most serious

relationship thus far,) but I'm terrified that if I do what I want, I am somehow

denying him of what he wants, or betraying him in some way.

>

> A lot of thoughts are surfacing, but I'm starting to get a little distance

from them and work on brushing them away. Because these aren't my fears. If I

can just look past the ridiculous things my thoughts say sometimes, I'm a very

calm, laid back, pretty confident person. But it feels like there is this film

of badness between me and 'my thoughts.' But I'm in here. Just kind of buried.

>

> I guess what I'd like from you guys is advice on moving on. I request no

comments on my not speaking to my mother, because while that may not be

permanent, it is something I need and am unwavering on for now. I'm working very

hard to stay in the present moment, not feeling like I have to stay emotionally

and mentally four steps ahead to stave off impending disaster. And I guess I

just need some support in that. I just transferred to a new school, so I don't

have a ton of close friends yet, and I've always had a little trouble finding

close friends. Had a few friends pulled out of my life suddenly when I was

younger and I think I'm still fighting some feelings of abandonment there.

>

> Anyway. I'm really happy this place exists. Reading over some people's

stories, I feel a little less lonely.

>

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