Re: 12 Concepts WAS: im touchy on this

[Guest guest]

Twelve is a magic number to more than just those who believe in the

apostles. It is divisible by more numbers than ten, hence might make

a more flexible base for a numbering system than ten. There is

some

evidence that it might have been a base, given the linguistic

evidence: we say " eleven, twelve, " not " oneteen, twoteen, " the

French

say " onze, douze, " the Germans " elf, zwoelf, " etc.

> > > Hi Ben,

> > >

> > > You are sure right about the Concepts. I had been in AA for

> > about 5

> > > years and went to some Al-Anon meetings where I heard about

> > their

> > > Concepts for the first time. I also learned that AA had the

> > Concepts

> > > also.

> > >

> > > Never have been to an AA meeting before or since where the

> > Concepts

> > > were brought up. I suspect because none of the members

> > know what the

> > > hell to do with them.

> > >

> > > jan

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I'm looking at the official site, <http://www.al-anon.org/>

> > (get

> > > out

> > > > your barf bag BEFORE you surf), and it's interesting in that

> > there

> > > is

> > > > virtually NO actual 'literature' online except the obligatory

> > steps,

> > > > traditions and concepts, and the " suggested preamble "

> > [which means

> > > WSO

> > > > only SUGGESTS that groups read it at meeting, but is read at

> > ALL Al-

> > > Anon

> > > > meetings].

> > > > An interesting dogma in Al-Anon is that only one word out

of

> > the

> > > 12

> > > > steps was changed (in step 12, alcoholics was changed to

> > others),

> > > and

> > > > of course the traditions are the same, as with any 12-step

> > group,

> > > with

> > > > only the name of the group changed. Furthermore, they have

> > the 12

> > > > " Concepts " on the website, which the vast majority of

> > 12-steppers

> > > probably

> > > > haven't even heard of. In AA, the " 12 concepts of world

> > service " are

> > > > something never even mentioned in meetings, and only

> > those who have

> > > read

> > > > a lot of the literature, or have been involved with the

> > intergroup/

> > > > general service office structure/hierarchy have a clue they

> > exist.

> > > >

> > > > -----

> > > > http://listen.to/benbradley

[Guest guest]

All I meant to imply is that the number 12 is not only and explicitly

associated with Christianity.

> > Twelve is a magic number to more than just those who believe in

the

> > apostles. It is divisible by more numbers than ten, hence might

> make > a more flexible base for a numbering system than ten.

There

> is> some evidence that it might have been a base, given the

linguistic

> > evidence: we say " eleven, twelve, " not " oneteen, twoteen, " the

> > French say " onze, douze, " the Germans " elf, zwoelf, " etc.

>

> It definitely was a base Kayleigh. The ancient Babylonians used it.

> It emerged through their habit of counting on their fingers using

the

> sections of the non-thumb fingers between the joints, of which

there

> are 4 x 3. although decimal counting prevailed, it is apparently

the

> origin of the many systems which involve 12 - inches in feet etc.

>

> Indeed it is a " magic " number thorughout history and the groupers

> exploit this.

>

> P.