Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 OMG!! I just made a connection that I'd been exposed to too much mercury and that I believed it was contributing to my fibro earlier this month! I''m now currently working with a homeopath to try to remove it from my system. For the first 6 months of my life I was terribly sick and no doctors could figure out why. My parents finally found a doctor that told them to not give me tap water. Once they quite giving me tap water I was no longer sick. My parents then moved shortly after that. Years later the area's water and land where I had first lived was found to be contaminated with mercury. My parents never gave it any thought because we had hardly lived there any length of time. Additionally I have 4 metal fillings. While this may certainly not be the " one " cause or even one of the causes, it is for me a serious contributing factor. > I have read alot of stuff with the theory which is similar to fluoride > poisoning. I have read alot about toxicity with heavy metals. That is almost > strictly an " alternative " medicine theory. However, my doctor believes this > himself. He is a D.O. > > I read symptoms of poisoning from mercury. (just an example). I read in > the same article that the amalgam fillings that are silver type fillings.... > had alot of mercury in them. I have a mouth full of those kind of fillings > that have been there since childhood. > > > > > > > -- Buckingham If you doubt yourself, then indeed you stand on shaky ground. - Ibsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I have no idea what causes this and I don't think I have ever really searched much for a possible cause. But I do have a theory that what we now call fibromyalgia is perhaps what in the past people called Rheumatism --- I have in front of me my Great, great grandfather copies of his Certificate of disbility for Discharge from the Army of the United States following the Civil War. I also have copies the company muster rolls for most if not all of the Civil War and if he was in the hospital in Cairo, Illinois, then he was in Jefferson Barrack Hospital in St. Louis. His discharge paper states " chronic rheumatism " , also among the papers are the petitions for my Great, great grandmother's widow's benefits following 's death. In those documents it states that following the war he was never able to work --- and I know that the work he more than likely would have been doing, if he could have was farming. I think lived about 15 or 20 years after he was either discharged or mustered out because the war ended. Now, my reason for this thinking is that without a doubt, I know that NONE of my mother's family would NOT have worked unless they were so physically disabled that they couldn't. Both and had to have been proud people who raised their family to be hard working, caring people and were not individuals who would have been looking for a handout. They were among the first settlers in Southern Illinois, having moved from Tennessee to Kentucky and then across the Ohio in to Illinois where they were among some of the early settlers in southern Illinois. And when I think of their many, many descendents who are now scattered across the US, I can think of many examples of the work ethic that they passed down! I have one cousin who is an electrician in California -- we lost track of him for about 13 months because he is working in the San Francisco area 6 - 7 days a week, doing all the overtime he can. Another member of the family started his own business and I have no idea what he was worth when he died, but it wasn't a shabby amount --- and even after he got so he could no longer work in that business and he and his wife retired to their summer home, he had a shop on the property where he continued to work. Another of my cousins also owned his own business and he did not stop working until the colon cancer he had denied having forced him to just a few months before his death. His work was known all over the area --- he was a commercial artist; one time one of his classmates happened to be driving through the town on his way to Arizona saw a window with a beautiful sign and knew that no one but my cousin could have done that sign!! So, my theory is that what we have is very much the same as what previous generations called " rheumatism " and I am pretty sure each of you have heard someone say " My rheumatism is really bothering me today! " --- We never hear anyone or at least, I seldom if ever hear that expression any more. I do hear one of my aunts say " I am tired! today. " That's my $10 theory! > > I have read alot of stuff with the theory which is similar to fluoride poisoning. I have read alot about toxicity with heavy metals. That is almost strictly an " alternative " medicine theory. However, my doctor believes this himself. He is a D.O. > > I read symptoms of poisoning from mercury. (just an example). I read in the same article that the amalgam fillings that are silver type fillings.... had alot of mercury in them. I have a mouth full of those kind of fillings that have been there since childhood. (I don't believe this is the ONE cause of fibro... don't get me wrong). Alot of people with fibro have never had a filling in their lives. However, I thought about it and it sure would make sense in my case being that I have a large crown on one tooth that is silver. (inserted at the age of about 8 or 9 years old). > > I think that actually fibro has many causes. I think the fluoride theory is possible and I also think it can be heavy metals. Of course... thousands of other theories cannot be discounted. (dont want to sound dumb.... is fluoride a metal?). > > love and hugs, > Debra V. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 , Interesting although if I understand right (and will have to research it too) is that rheumatism is an older name for what we now know to be osteoarthritis also sometimes called degenerative arthritis. Kristy (Co-Owner) ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 > > , > > Interesting although if I understand right (and will have to > research it too) is that rheumatism is an older name for what we > now know to be osteoarthritis also sometimes called degenerative > arthritis. > > Kristy > (Co-Owner) > > That is interesting -- especially as I do have osteoarthritis in both my lumbar and cervical spine --- now I can understand why Grandfather was not able to work after his time in army! I know when he was in Cairo he had disentry (sp -- I can't find my dictionary!), but then he was in battles under Illinois's famous General A Logan' 31st Regiment Infintry Volunteers(the person who started the very first Memorial Day) but was in some battles along the eastern side of the Mississppi and I can imagine sleeping outdoors and getting wet, cold, etc. might have caused his problems. I am sure that he was not the only one to return home in that condition, if they had survived the battles. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 has anyone noticed a link in genetics? becuase my aunt also has FMS and i have read that genetics may also be a factor. i know it is in my case, but what triggered it is the question... Jerilyn > > I have read alot of stuff with the theory which is similar to fluoride poisoning. I have read alot about toxicity with heavy metals. That is almost strictly an " alternative " medicine theory. However, my doctor believes this himself. He is a D.O. > > I read symptoms of poisoning from mercury. (just an example). I read in the same article that the amalgam fillings that are silver type fillings.... had alot of mercury in them. I have a mouth full of those kind of fillings that have been there since childhood. (I don't believe this is the ONE cause of fibro... don't get me wrong). Alot of people with fibro have never had a filling in their lives. However, I thought about it and it sure would make sense in my case being that I have a large crown on one tooth that is silver. (inserted at the age of about 8 or 9 years old). > > I think that actually fibro has many causes. I think the fluoride theory is possible and I also think it can be heavy metals. Of course... thousands of other theories cannot be discounted. (dont want to sound dumb.... is fluoride a metal?). > > love and hugs, > Debra V. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I am so tired of having something that few believe exists. I think I am gonna go to my new doctor and ask him to please prove I do not have this. I don't want it. What a sad statment that today if you have cancer you get syumpathy and help. Fibro and all you get are raised eyebrows. Debi Kate Court wrote: http://fibromyalgia-no-more.com/Fibromyalgia-Wastebasket-Diagnosis-or-Just-Garba\ ge.html Now if you really want to get mad read this article, she needs a shot gun. Re: Re: Causes of FM... just some stuff I read , Here's an interesting article that I just looked at on rheumatism: http://arthritis.about.com/od/diseasesandconditions/a/rheumatism.htm Funny thing is that according to what scientists are saying this article is wrong in listing fibromyalgia as an example. After reading this I see that we are both right in the way the word is used. That's why it's good to talk to others and see what we come up with in the way of researching. But I have to tell you that what happened with your great grandfather (if I missed a great I'm sorry) helped me to answer a question I have always had. What if there were people in that time that had illnesses that would make it hard for them to work. Thanks for sharing that. Thanks for sharing all this so that I could go back and read some more because as our understanding of arthritis and fibromyalgia for example gets better and clearer we can then help others. Kristy (Co-Owner) __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs 1. While it is wonderful to share our experiences with everyone on the list as to what treatments do and don't work for us, pls always check with your dr. Some treatments are dangerous when given along with other meds as well as to certain health conditions or just dangerous in general. 2. If you are in a difficult situation (doesn't matter what it is) pls don't be afraid to ask for help. It is the first step to trying to make that situation better. 3. To unsubscribe the e-mail is: Fibromyalgia_Support_Group-unsubscribe 4. Also, it is not uncommon for more than one member to be feeling bad at the same time when it comes to flares and b/c of that potentially take something another member says the wrong way. And that includes the things that one member may find funny (even if it's laughing at fibro itself) even though we who deal with illness whether one such as fibro or multiple illnesses try to keep a sense of humor. 5. Pls let's be gentle with each other, and if you are having a bad day pls let us know so that we can do our best to offer our support. Have a nice day everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 " I was taught way back in medical school that if it smells like a duck, and walks like a duck, it's probably a duck. " Please, what doctor is making that an argument for the proof that fibro isn't real. Let's toss out the medical evidence with the brain scans and tests of low seratonin. Forget the fact that many previous illnesses wouldn't show on tests. What did this guy do throw out all those classes where you learn how to present a paper? Let's just go and bash all those hundreds of people that have fibro because it must be a pyche problem because we can't test for anything that absolutely shows us existence. Goodness, I get tired of being treated like an imbecil. Tammi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Mom, sister and I all have fibro. Mom's first cousin does too. Jerilyn wrote: > has anyone noticed a link in genetics? becuase my aunt also has FMS > and i have read that genetics may also be a factor. i know it is in > my case, but what triggered it is the question... > Jerilyn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Same here. My mom, my sister and I. I'm quite sure my grandmother did. Everyone used to snicker behind her back that " Ooh, she swept and mopped her kitchen -- she's going to be in bed for 2 weeks. " She had a night case full of pain pills and muscle relaxers. I remember a big deal about her getting her heart checked because of severe palpitations and chest pain and everyone rolling eyes because the cardiologist said her heart was great. She was labelled by family and doctors as a hypochondriac. I wish she was still around now to get at least a little satisfaction out of having a diagnosis and having her pain validated. Maybe not, since there's still not a lot of validation out there to be had. in Louisiana > Mom, sister and I all have fibro. Mom's first cousin does too. > > Jerilyn wrote: > > has anyone noticed a link in genetics? becuase my aunt also has FMS > > and i have read that genetics may also be a factor. i know it is in > > my case, but what triggered it is the question... > > Jerilyn > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 > > http://fibromyalgia-no-more.com/Fibromyalgia-Wastebasket-Diagnosis- or-Just-Garbage.html > > Now if you really want to get mad read this article, she needs a shot gun. > > > Re: Re: Causes of FM... just some stuff I read > > , > > Here's an interesting article that I just looked at on > rheumatism: > http://arthritis.about.com/od/diseasesandconditions/a/rheumatism.htm > > Funny thing is that according to what scientists are saying this > article is wrong in listing fibromyalgia as an example. After > reading this I see that we are both right in the way the word is > used. That's why it's good to talk to others and see what we > come up with in the way of researching. > > But I have to tell you that what happened with your great > grandfather (if I missed a great I'm sorry) helped me to answer > a question I have always had. What if there were people in that > time that had illnesses that would make it hard for them to > work. Thanks for sharing that. > > Thanks for sharing all this so that I could go back and read > some more because as our understanding of arthritis and > fibromyalgia for example gets better and clearer we can then > help others. > > Kristy > (Co-Owner) > > > Kate, one of those centers that is listed is the Fibro and Fatigue centers --- which I fell for back in 2004 --- after spending $$$ the first visit, numerous vials of blood taken at Quest Diagnosistic, a vitamin B shot! I returned in 3 weeks for the 2nd follow-up appointment, I was practically crawling to get from the car to their office! Then they gave me another B shot and put in a room full of other people get an IV of God only knows what --- that was another lenghty period! And not long after that I discovered that the first doctor I saw when we moved to Pittsburgh in 1999 had opened a new office 4 miles from us. Much closer than the primary care doctors I had been going to and certainly easier to get to. I took in my shopping bag of supplements, drugs, etc. Well, she had to chuckle when she read the name of the doctor in charge of the Pittsburgh center as they had both been students at the Unversity of Pennsylvania Medical school in Philly at the same time. Dr. K said he was several years behind her but he was, apparently, someone she and her friends, fellow students must have thought was a nut! Now, I will say, if I knew how to use one, I might have easy access to that shot gun someone mentioned (husband has two safes locked in the basement --- I don't even want to know where he keeps the keys!) But all of these fools are lucky as I don't like guns and the one time dh tried to teach me, I did not like the sore shoulder. And (if I mispelled your name, sorry), I know that my grandparents, and other older members of both sides of my family had what they called rheumatism and the diagnosis on Grandfather 's disability discharge was signed by a gentleman who was the President of Board of Medical Inspectors, so despite what we have read about the doctors of past centuries and their training, this was a doctor who did apparently represent the government in determining who was entitled to a pension from the government/military during the Civil War. I guess it would also be interesting to see if my husband has seen any records from the American Revoluntionary war about what the medics may have determined what soldiers may have had. But rheumatism is an expression that I have heard for years and unlike one of the earlier posters, we never really snickered behind anyone's back --- there was only one member of the family who I ever heard make disparging remarks about my great grandmother and that was her oldest granddaughter who said her grandfather often carried Grandma Lizzie. I know she was frail but she did died at the age of 80 + --- I have been told that she was determined to live until one of her sons who vanished in the 1920's, returned home. And in writing that I am reminded that her son's only surviving son, was by that time a member of the LAPD and had done enough research through his sources across the country that he knew he would not find his father, so it could be that he told his Grandma Lizzie that his father was not coming home. That's a whole different story for another place! > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > 1. While it is wonderful to share our experiences with everyone on the list as to what treatments do and don't work for us, pls always check with your dr. Some treatments are dangerous when given along with other meds as well as to certain health conditions or just dangerous in general. > > 2. If you are in a difficult situation (doesn't matter what it is) pls don't be afraid to ask for help. It is the first step to trying to make that situation better. > > 3. To unsubscribe the e-mail is: Fibromyalgia_Support_Group- unsubscribe > > 4. Also, it is not uncommon for more than one member to be feeling bad at the same time when it comes to flares and b/c of that potentially take something another member says the wrong way. And that includes the things that one member may find funny (even if it's laughing at fibro itself) even though we who deal with illness whether one such as fibro or multiple illnesses try to keep a sense of humor. > > 5. Pls let's be gentle with each other, and if you are having a bad day pls let us know so that we can do our best to offer our support. > > Have a nice day everyone. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Hello all and Debra V! Though I am behind in the posts and haven't read about this theory, it sounds very interesting to me. I was 26 when I was dxed with the fibro. At that time I was working testing microchips at a wafer fab. Anyway, we worked around a lot of dangerous chemicals, metals and gases. One day as I was transporting a wafer it broke and a piece of a microchip went into my finger. It was so small that i forgot about it. I didnt report it. Then later I got sick with the fibro and soon lost my job due to my new physical inabilities. WIerd huh? Loretta ps. i have those fillings in my teeth too > > I have read alot of stuff with the theory which is similar to fluoride poisoning. I have read alot about toxicity with heavy metals. That is almost strictly an " alternative " medicine theory. However, my doctor believes this himself. He is a D.O. > > I read symptoms of poisoning from mercury. (just an example). I read in the same article that the amalgam fillings that are silver type fillings.... had alot of mercury in them. I have a mouth full of those kind of fillings that have been there since childhood. (I don't believe this is the ONE cause of fibro... don't get me wrong). Alot of people with fibro have never had a filling in their lives. However, I thought about it and it sure would make sense in my case being that I have a large crown on one tooth that is silver. (inserted at the age of about 8 or 9 years old). > > I think that actually fibro has many causes. I think the fluoride theory is possible and I also think it can be heavy metals. Of course... thousands of other theories cannot be discounted. (dont want to sound dumb.... is fluoride a metal?). > > love and hugs, > Debra V. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 > > http://fibromyalgia-no-more.com/Fibromyalgia-Wastebasket-Diagnosis- or-Just-Garbage.html > wow, what a d*****bag. but it was ever thus w/scientists: if they had no recognized hard data at hand, then they claimed it just couldn't be so. velikovsky, an astrophysicist (i think) made several assumptions about the planet venus in a book he wrote in the 50s; he was drummed out of the scientific community as a quack. but guess what? w/newer methods of checking out the planet, he was proved right on just about all the points he'd made... but that didn't happen until 20 or 30 years later. perhaps some day some genius *will* come up w/a diagnostic method that will prove we are suffering real, quantifiable pain. until that day i guess we'll be considered to be " somatizing' (talk about an unquantifiable dx!!!) by the way, i did try acupuncture twice when i was really desperate, but both treatments nearly crippled me for a week, so acupuncture isn't the miracle placebo cure the author of this article proclaims it to be. nin, who doesn't believe the exception proves the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 > > has anyone noticed a link in genetics? becuase my aunt also has FMS > > Jerilyn > > > > Hi Jerilyn Fibro also runs in my family I am 1 of 9 children and 3 of us have it 2 girls and 1 boy and we believe my mother had it but she died in 1968 before there was a name for it > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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