God's FBI Profile and agnostic mudslinging

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AA's Higher Power FBI Profile

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all facts about " Him " were offered by bill in Big Book and

12-steps

Bill tells us god is of our understanding, he cant help himself but

to fill in the blanks for us a s to how god works for us though. i

guess if my understanding

of god is one which doesn't restore sanity, listen to my prayers

and removed defects, i cant do steps.

these were found in a scan of a few chapters, it would take a

week to pull all the specific ideals expressed to describe how

god of " our " understanding is, and

how this god of " our " understanding will work for us. bills use of

" we " in big book is so prolific, there is no way he sat down and to

do a consensus of all

the " 100's " of members of what they believed or thought of god,

or what actualy worked for them. the more i read of his writings,

the more im convinced he

used them in many cases as a prop to validate his stream of

consciousness. as he was writing

restores sanity

listens to our prayers

removes defects

is a living creator and whom we are its children

is male

has conscious contact with us

has relationships with us, has a will intended us to carry.

Does for us what we could not do for ourselves.

he is a " Creative Intelligence "

" Spirit of the Universe underlying the totality of things "

He doesn't make too hard terms with those who seek Him

the Realm of Spirit is broad, roomy, all inclusive

is a All Powerful, Guiding, Creative Intelligence

we are " intelligent agents, spearheads of God's ever advancing

Creation "

is the Spirit of the Universe

Presence of Infinite Power and Love

Slander of Non Believers

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from the below passages, mainly from " we agnostics " we can

see from the language used the disdain bill wilson had for non

believers. here are some of the

themes expressed in describing agnostics in this one small

chapter. imagine how he must have felt about atheists.

" prejudiced "

evasive

biased

unreasonable

spiritually obsolete

ignorant

touchy

vain

illogical

" less " sane

narrow in vision/backward thinking

" soft and mushy " thinkers

worshippers of " people, sentiment, things, money, and

ourselves "

dishonest

" doomed to an alcoholic death "

" But after a while we had to face the fact that we must find a

spiritual basis of life -- or else "

" Faced with alcoholic destruction, we soon became as open

minded on spiritual matters as we had tried to be on other

questions. In this respect alcohol was a

great persuader. It finally beat us into a state of reasonableness "

" handicapped by obstinacy, sensitiveness, and unreasoning

prejudice "

Below is the actual text from BB

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Yes, we of agnostic temperament have had these thoughts and

experiences. Let us make haste to reassure you. We found that

as soon as we

were able to lay aside prejudice and express even a willingness

to believe in a Power greater than ourselves, we commenced to

get results,

And it means, of course, that we are going to

talk about God. Here difficulty arises with agnostics. Many times

we talk to a new man and watch his hope rise as we discuss his

alcoholic

problems and explain our fellowship. But his face falls when we

speak of spiritual matters, especially when we mention God, for

we have re-opened a subject

which our man thought he had neatly evaded or entirely ignored.

To one who feels he is an atheist or agnostic such an

experience seems impossible, but to continue as he is means

disaster, especially if he

is an alcoholic of the hopeless variety. To be doomed to an

alcoholic death or to live on a spiritual basis are not always easy

alternatives to face.

But it isn't so difficult. About half our original fellowship were of

exactly that type. At first some of us tried to avoid the issue,

hoping against hope we were

not true alcoholics. But after a while we had to face the fact that

we must find a spiritual basis of life -- or else. Perhaps it is

going to be that way with you.

But cheer up, something like half of us thought we were atheists

or agnostics. Our experience shows that you need not be

disconcerted.

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we often found ourselves handicapped by obstinacy,

sensitiveness, and unreasoning prejudice. Many of us have

been so touchy that even casual reference to

spiritual things make us bristle with antagonism. This sort of

thinking had to be abandoned. Though some of us resisted, we

found no great difficulty in

casting aside such feelings. Faced with alcoholic destruction,

we soon became as open minded on spiritual matters as we

had tried to be on other questions. In this respect alcohol was a

great persuader. It finally beat us into a state of reasonableness.

Sometimes this was a tedious

process; we hope no one else will prejudiced for as long as

some of us were.

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we agnostics and atheists chose to believe that our human

intelligence was the last word, the alpha and the omega, the

beginning and end of all. Rather vain of

us, wasn't it?

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This world of ours has made more material progress in the

last century than in all the millenniums which went before.

Almost everyone knows the reason.

Students of ancient history tell us that the intellect of men in

those days was equal to the best of today. Yet in ancient times,

material progress was painfully

slow. The spirit of modern scientific inquiry, research and

invention was almost unknown. In the realm of the material,

men's minds were fettered by

superstition, tradition, and all sort of fixed ideas. Some of the

contemporaries of Columbus thought a round earth

preposterous. Others came near putting

Galileo to death for his astronomical heresies.

We asked ourselves this: Are not some of us just as biased

and unreasonable about the realm of the spirit as were the

ancients about the realm of the

material?

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When we saw others solve their problems by a simple reliance

upon the Spirit of the Universe, we had to stop doubting the

power of God. Our ideas did not

work. But the God idea did.

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We agnostics and atheists were sticking to the idea that self-

sufficiency would solve our problems. When others showed us

that " God-sufficiency " worked

with them, we began to feel like those who had insisted the

s would never fly.

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Logic is great stuff. We like it. We still like it. It is not by

chance

we were given the power to reason, to examine the evidence of

our sense, and to draw

conclusions. That is one of man's magnificent attributes. We

agnostically inclined would not feel satisfied with a proposal

which does not lend itself to

reasonable approach and interpretation. Hence we are at pains

to tell why we think our present faith is reasonable, why

we think it more sane and logical to believe than not to believe,

why we say our former thinking was soft and mushy when we

threw up our hands in doubt

and said, " We don't know. "

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did we not have confidence in our ability to think? What was that

but a sort of faith? Yes, we had been

faithful, abjectly faithful to the God of Reason. So, in one way or

another, we discovered that faith had been involved all the time!

We found, too, that we had been worshippers. What a state of

mental goose-flesh that used to bring on! Had we not variously

worshipped

people, sentiment, things, money, and ourselves?

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We can only clear the ground a bit. If our testimony helps sweep

away prejudice, enables you to think honestly, encourages you to

search diligently within

yourself, then, if you wish, you can join us on the Broad Highway.

With this attitude you cannot fail. the consciousness of your

belief is sure to come to you.