Re: Re: Can't seem to do this!

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April That is indeed astonishing. I have made it a point to keep sugar and white flour out of my house and out of my mouth. I have also joined CEA How. in the past I am a lifetime WW member fifteen pounds over my goal. Today I have not binged I went to 's had a double stack hamburger didn't eat the white bun, and baked potato w/ sour cream and decaf coffe with cream and stevia. for breakfast I had multi grain pita w 2 eggs 1 tsp oil 1/2 slice bacon and 1/2 cup whole raw milk. I really don't know what to do next. Don't know if I should throw the chocolate chips out? (not asking anybody for advice just trying to figure out what to do) I have asked my husband not to bring sweets into the house or alcoholic

beverages, and if he must bring them in to hide them from me. This is indeed baffling to me.

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 1:45:33 PMSubject: Re: Can't seem to do this!

April,I joined OA twice because I thought I was an addict. Turns out I'm not. Turns out that I needed to legalize food to keep myself from craving those foods that I was restricting. It was the restricting that was causing the craving. >......But with sugar, abstinence was the cause, and > freedom is the solution.I found this to be true for me, too. thanks!mj> > > > > > Â > > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm feeling like this too. I bought some dark chocolate chips and for > a while I was able to eat them slowly and enjoy them, but lately I'm been > eating a whole bag of them. I'm gaining weight, my clothes feel tight > and I'm thinking of going back to Weight Watchers meetings. I'm really > tired of this. I should be able to control what I put in my mouth, but it > seems I can't like I'm a food addict.  > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jetblacknewme <jetblacknewme@>> > > > To: IntuitiveEating_Support > > Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 8:09:58 PM> > > > Subject:

Re: Can't seem to do this!> > > > Â > > > > I wish I had something to say in reply to this other than "me too". I've > been trying to do this for so long (over a year). And I've managed to > legalise almost every 'forbidden' food. I have all the chocolate etc in my > house. And there are times, occasional times when it clicks. The other day I > went to the cinema and ate a few chocolates really slowly, and really enjoyed > them and felt in control and satisfied by those few. But today I shoved > the rest of the box down my throat in a guilt-filled frenzy and didn't enjoy > it or feel in control at all. I'm gaining weight like crazy, and it's > starting to bring up all the panicky diet thoughts in me again. Just saw photos > of me from Christmas, and UGH indeed.> > > > I know it is - for me - all about using food as a drug, as a

sedative to > numb me out of feeling any uncomfortable emotion. I KNOW that knowing this > MUST be the key to overcoming the emotional eating and beginning to eat > intuitively. But I, like you, seem unable to pause before I reach for food, > before I start yet another binge. I wish I knew the solution. I know > journalling helps me to figure out the emotional stuff. That's as close as I've > gotten so far. Let me know if you find anything that helps!> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> >

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Hi, .

I think lots of us on this listserv know your suffering very well. Have you had a chance yet to read Intuitive Eating, by Elyse Resch and Trebole? It's a wonderful book that will these concerns.

April

April That is indeed astonishing. I have made it a point to keep sugar and white flour out of my house and out of my mouth. I have also joined CEA How. in the past I am a lifetime WW member fifteen pounds over my goal. Today I have not binged I went to 's had a double stack hamburger didn't eat the white bun, and baked potato w/ sour cream and decaf coffe with cream and stevia. for breakfast I had multi grain pita w 2 eggs 1 tsp oil 1/2 slice bacon and 1/2 cup whole raw milk. I really don't know what to do next. Don't know if I should throw the chocolate chips out? (not asking anybody for advice just trying to figure out what to do) I have asked my husband not to bring sweets into the house or alcoholic beverages, and if he must bring them in to hide them from me. This is indeed baffling to me.

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 1:45:33 PMSubject: Re: Can't seem to do this!

April,I joined OA twice because I thought I was an addict. Turns out I'm not. Turns out that I needed to legalize food to keep myself from craving those foods that I was restricting. It was the restricting that was causing the craving. >......But with sugar, abstinence was the cause, and > freedom is the solution.I found this to be true for me, too. thanks!mj> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm feeling like this too. I bought some dark chocolate chips and for > a while I was able to eat them slowly and enjoy them, but lately I'm been > eating a whole bag of them. I'm gaining weight, my clothes feel tight > and I'm thinking of going back to Weight Watchers meetings. I'm really > tired of this. I should be able to control what I put in my mouth, but it > seems I can't like I'm a food addict.  > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jetblacknewme <jetblacknewme@>> > > > To: IntuitiveEating_Support > > Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 8:09:58 PM> > > > Subject: Re: Can't seem to do this!> > > >  > > > > I wish I had something to say in reply to this other than "me too". I've > been trying to do this for so long (over a year). And I've managed to > legalise almost every 'forbidden' food. I have all the chocolate etc in my > house. And there are times, occasional times when it clicks. The other day I > went to the cinema and ate a few chocolates really slowly, and really enjoyed > them and felt in control and satisfied by those few. But today I shoved > the rest of the box down my throat in a guilt-filled frenzy and didn't enjoy > it or feel in control at all. I'm gaining weight like crazy, and it's > starting to bring up all the panicky diet thoughts in me again. Just saw photos > of me from Christmas, and UGH indeed.> > > > I know it is - for me - all about using food as a drug, as a sedative to > numb me out of feeling any uncomfortable emotion. I KNOW that knowing this > MUST be the key to overcoming the emotional eating and beginning to eat > intuitively. But I, like you, seem unable to pause before I reach for food, > before I start yet another binge. I wish I knew the solution. I know > journalling helps me to figure out the emotional stuff. That's as close as I've > gotten so far. Let me know if you find anything that helps!> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> >

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April I just got the book from the library today and am looking forward to reading it. Thanks

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 2:27:03 PMSubject: Re: Re: Can't seem to do this!

Hi, .

I think lots of us on this listserv know your suffering very well. Have you had a chance yet to read Intuitive Eating, by Elyse Resch and Trebole? It's a wonderful book that will these concerns.

April

April That is indeed astonishing. I have made it a point to keep sugar and white flour out of my house and out of my mouth. I have also joined CEA How. in the past I am a lifetime WW member fifteen pounds over my goal. Today I have not binged I went to 's had a double stack hamburger didn't eat the white bun, and baked potato w/ sour cream and decaf coffe with cream and stevia. for breakfast I had multi grain pita w 2 eggs 1 tsp oil 1/2 slice bacon and 1/2 cup whole raw milk. I really don't know what to do next. Don't know if I should throw the chocolate chips out? (not asking anybody for advice just trying to figure out what to do) I have asked my husband not to bring sweets into the house or alcoholic beverages, and if he must bring them in to hide them from me. This is indeed baffling to me.

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 1:45:33 PMSubject: Re: Can't seem to do this!

April,I joined OA twice because I thought I was an addict. Turns out I'm not. Turns out that I needed to legalize food to keep myself from craving those foods that I was restricting. It was the restricting that was causing the craving. >......But with sugar, abstinence was the cause, and > freedom is the solution.I found this to be true for me, too. thanks!mj> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm feeling like this too. I bought some dark chocolate chips and for > a while I was able to eat them slowly and enjoy them, but lately I'm been > eating a whole bag of them. I'm gaining weight, my clothes feel tight > and I'm thinking of going back to Weight Watchers meetings. I'm really > tired of this. I should be able to control what I put in my mouth, but it > seems I can't like I'm a food addict.  > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jetblacknewme <jetblacknewme@>> > > > To: IntuitiveEating_Support > > Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 8:09:58 PM> > > > Subject: Re: Can't seem to do this!> > > >  > > > > I wish I had something to say in reply to this other than "me too". I've > been trying to do this for so long (over a year). And I've managed to > legalise almost every 'forbidden' food. I have all the chocolate etc in my > house. And there are times, occasional times when it clicks. The other day I > went to the cinema and ate a few chocolates really slowly, and really enjoyed > them and felt in control and satisfied by those few. But today I shoved > the rest of the box down my throat in a guilt-filled frenzy and didn't enjoy > it or feel in control at all. I'm gaining weight like crazy, and

it's > starting to bring up all the panicky diet thoughts in me again. Just saw photos > of me from Christmas, and UGH indeed.> > > > I know it is - for me - all about using food as a drug, as a sedative to > numb me out of feeling any uncomfortable emotion. I KNOW that knowing this > MUST be the key to overcoming the emotional eating and beginning to eat > intuitively. But I, like you, seem unable to pause before I reach for food, > before I start yet another binge. I wish I knew the solution. I know > journalling helps me to figure out the emotional stuff. That's as close as I've > gotten so far. Let me know if you find anything that helps!> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> >

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, listen to your inner voice, not your “old tapes†of the diet voice, but what you, yourself want to do. You can recognize your true inner voice because it is nurturing and calm and very knowledgeable.

One of the difficult things to talk about in IE type groups is restrictive eating. I am diabetic and in order to stay off of medication, I do have to dramatically reduce my carb intake. I cannot eat everything I would like to eat, but I am finding that I have a need to move away from “dieting†through calorie and carb counting and into mindful eating as I transition from what I have been doing the last 17 months to what I want to be doing for the rest of my life. I have done IE and mindful several times in my life and although I know it well and I am intellectually fascinated by it, I also struggle with how my mind wants to play all the old games and I understand why. I have been living in the clutches of bingeing and dieting for nearly 30-some years. It just isn’t like flipping an on switch and you are there and never affected by eating issues again, it takes practice, resiliency, willingness to step out of one’s habits and fears and try new ways of living and thinking.

My many years of heavy eating habits brought on my diabetes. I never believed I was doing damage to my body all those years and now I am faced with the long term effects of my obesity. However, age and heredity plays a part too so I cannot blame it all on the foods I ate. I can control it through what I eat, but I want to move forward and embrace positive and mindful ways to deal with my body’s needs so that I am comfortable in making choices that are meaningful to me and not about the numbers, about the calories, about the amount, etc. At this time I am learning to rely on two tests I take daily to make sure I am within the acceptable range of blood glucose and ketones.

Sorry, I did not mean to go on about my issues, but I wanted to say that one can embrace IE or mindful eating even though not all of the principles can be applied. We each have to find what we need to do, what we need to work on and continue to practice it daily. For so many of us, the things we believed about food and eating were diet based and so terribly negative. It’s hard to move out of the shadows of doubt and into the light of understanding. Your ability to talk it out, share your experience and continued efforts is EXACTLY what will bring you to where you want to be.

From: Doe

Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 1:18 PM

To: IntuitiveEating_Support

Subject: Re: Re: Can't seem to do this!

April That is indeed astonishing. I have made it a point to keep sugar and white flour out of my house and out of my mouth. I have also joined CEA How. in the past I am a lifetime WW member fifteen pounds over my goal. Today I have not binged I went to 's had a double stack hamburger didn't eat the white bun, and baked potato w/ sour cream and decaf coffe with cream and stevia. for breakfast I had multi grain pita w 2 eggs 1 tsp oil 1/2 slice bacon and 1/2 cup whole raw milk. I really don't know what to do next. Don't know if I should throw the chocolate chips out? (not asking anybody for advice just trying to figure out what to do) I have asked my husband not to bring sweets into the house or alcoholic beverages, and if he must bring them in to hide them from me. This is indeed baffling to me.

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 1:45:33 PMSubject: Re: Can't seem to do this!

April,I joined OA twice because I thought I was an addict. Turns out I'm not. Turns out that I needed to legalize food to keep myself from craving those foods that I was restricting. It was the restricting that was causing the craving. >......But with sugar, abstinence was the cause, and > freedom is the solution.I found this to be true for me, too. thanks!mj> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm feeling like this too. I bought some dark chocolate chips and for > a while I was able to eat them slowly and enjoy them, but lately I'm been > eating a whole bag of them. I'm gaining weight, my clothes feel tight > and I'm thinking of going back to Weight Watchers meetings. I'm really > tired of this. I should be able to control what I put in my mouth, but it > seems I can't like I'm a food addict.  > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jetblacknewme <jetblacknewme@>> > > > To: mailto:IntuitiveEating_Support%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 8:09:58 PM> > > > Subject: Re: Can't seem to do this!> > > >  > > > > I wish I had something to say in reply to this other than "me too". I've > been trying to do this for so long (over a year). And I've managed to > legalise almost every 'forbidden' food. I have all the chocolate etc in my > house. And there are times, occasional times when it clicks. The other day I > went to the cinema and ate a few chocolates really slowly, and really enjoyed > them and felt in control and satisfied by those few. But today I shoved > the rest of the box down my throat in a guilt-filled frenzy and didn't enjoy > it or feel in control at all. I'm gaining weight like crazy, and it's > starting to bring up all the panicky diet thoughts in me again. Just saw photos > of me from Christmas, and UGH indeed.> > > > I know it is - for me - all about using food as a drug, as a sedative to > numb me out of feeling any uncomfortable emotion. I KNOW that knowing this > MUST be the key to overcoming the emotional eating and beginning to eat > intuitively. But I, like you, seem unable to pause before I reach for food, > before I start yet another binge. I wish I knew the solution. I know > journalling helps me to figure out the emotional stuff. That's as close as I've > gotten so far. Let me know if you find anything that helps!> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> >

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When I was on WW I was always bending the rules because the points didn't give me all I wanted to eat. Vegetables were free, now I hardly ever want to eat vegetables. I think WW is good in some respects, but others its is not.

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 1:19:56 AMSubject: Re: Can't seem to do this!

While I always thought, and still do, that if you are going to diet, a program like WW is probably among the most sane that you can follow, the problem for me was that while nothing was forbidden, the mere fact of having that set number of points was hard for me. For one thing, IMHO, most of those point levels are too low, so even when you eat them all, you're often still so hungry that you're setting yourself up for a binge. But even if you don't think they're too low, if I had one meal where I had something really caloric and used up most of my points for the day, the fact that I knew I didn't have enough points left for my next meal made me panicky about either being hungry for the rest of the day or about "blowing it" by eating over my points level that day and those feelings made me want to eat more. With IE, I don't have to be panicky because I can't blow it and because I always know I can eat again the next time I'm hungry. Also, the

whole weigh-in thing was always hard for me. I know some people see it as accountability, but I hated having to face that person at the scale and if I wasn't having a "good" week, I'd start starving myself so I could have a good weigh-in, then end up binging afterward when I knew I had a whole week to make up for the binge. Ultimately, WW just did too much of a number on my psyche and I even after eight attempts over a dozen years, I never lost more than 30 pounds with any try. Works for some, but just wasn't for me. Josie>> everything said in these emails makes sense in theory for me but how to apply them is another story. Weight Watchers has no forbidden foods you can eat whatever you choose

but you must count it. and write it down. It really worked for me at first. I got down to goal weight and stopped going to meetings. I think it is the support of the WW meetings that helped me keep in line. But I can't seem to do their points program I don't want to count points for everything I eat. They used to have a core program where you could eat from a list of whole foods until you were satisfied and when you were hungry and use points when you wanted extras like sweets. That worked for me. They say it's not a diet it's a lifestyle. Sorry didn't mean to make this a commercial for WW. Yesterday I did not binge and had one serving of chocolate chips and sat and enjoyed them. So one day at a time I will continue. Thanks for your ESH and ncouragement >