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As to the annoying unsubscribe messages that routinely pop up, I've

noticed that membership in the group has risen quite a bit in the last

week, from around 290 to 307 today. I think you're right, Dave, people

just turn to anything with " 12 steps " in the title. You can't blame

them, really; AA is totally ineffective, yet claims to be totally

effective and tells the poor suffering individual that the problem is

they're not working their program hard enough. AA is like the old West

outlaw who shoots at someone's feet and orders them to dance: just

dance a little faster, degrade yourself a little more, tithe over a

little more of your life to the program until there's nothing left of

your identity, then you'll be fine and our slogans and platitudes will

seem meaningful.

As Bjørn said of 12 step free: keep writing back, it works.

judith

> actually they msut be seeing the 12-step free and in some knee jerk

> compulsion to join anything with 12-steps in it , they ignore the

main

> introduction, kind of what they ignore its a relgious and athiest,

> agnostic, alcoholic and intellectual hating god control faith

healing

> cult. they must be compehending 12-step free as " 12-steps to

> freedom " .

>

> perhaps we need to think of an easier digestable name for some of

the

> slower folks in the roomz. something like " 12-step free zone " or for

> the super retarded, " Its A Fu@*ing Cult, You Stupid Brainwashed

F@*k! "

>

> btw , merry christmas.

> i know im an athiests who belives christ was a myth, but i figure i

> can get in spirit by decorating my home with vegas neon lights and

> carnival side show billboards. if you squinted your eyes, you

probably

> wouldnt be able to notice difference.

> ho ho ho

>

> dave

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