Guest guest Posted December 6, 2000 Report Share Posted December 6, 2000 Bjorn, It's not me who favors executing a mentally retarded person... Since I don't think that a death penalty is any sort of a deterrent to crime, I find no reason to support it at all. I suppose that the only rational support for a death penalty is a revenge motive... and that seems pretty weak. Immature, perhaps. Wait until GW Bushie takes over... God knows what we'll all be in for. Peace..... Roy Re: OT: Roy > > > > It costs more to execute someone now than to house them for many > YEARS in > > prison > > Hi Roy, > > Could you elaborate? This makes no sense in theory. Is this the > result of legal expenses to the state? Personally, I oppose the death > penalty. > Jim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2000 Report Share Posted December 6, 2000 At 08:26 AM 12/6/00 -0500, RoyFlanigan wrote: >Bjorn, It's not me who favors executing a mentally retarded person... Since >I don't think that a death penalty is any sort of a deterrent to crime, I >find no reason to support it at all. I suppose that the only rational >support for a death penalty is a revenge motive... and that seems pretty I wound't call revenge a 'rational' motive at all, but now that you mention it, there are no rational motives left, only emotional ones such as revenge, or the allegedly-rational-but-wrong justifications such as costing less than lifetime imprisonment (it's those automatic appeals and stuff in death penalty cases - the government has to be sure one's rights aren't being violated before taking them all away), or that it's a detterent. >weak. Immature, perhaps. Wait until GW Bushie takes over... God knows what >we'll all be in for. > > Peace..... Roy BTW, here's a pertinent link - the first US Federal execution in decades is just days away: <http://www.aclu.org/action/clintonmoratorium107.html> Veering back on topic, I wonder how what percentage of those being executed (the State of Texas might make a statistical universe) have attended AA - most AA'ers would say these people were executed because they " wouldn't or couldn't be honest with themselves. " ----- http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2000 Report Share Posted December 6, 2000 Ben, I got quite a laugh out of your AA example... they must have been in " denial " when the crime was committed!!! If they had been living the " STEPS " only good things would happen. In terms of being a deterrent, It's hard to imagine that anyone, prior to committing an offense which could carry life in prison, or the death penalty is seriously considering the punishment prior to committing the crime - It seems pretty logical that they don't plan on getting caught, or are so caught up in irrational emotions, that there is no consideration given to anything. It's interesting that the Governor of the State of Illinois recently declared a moratorium on executions due to the relatively high percentage of people on death row who's convictions are questionable. Of course, per GW Bush (league), Texas never executes an " innocent " person. Right, . There is currently a guy on death row in Texas who was involved in a robbery, where the store clerk was shot and killed. His partner in the crime has already been executed - the prosecution previously argued that the man executed was the one who pulled the trigger... Now that he's dead, the prosecution had reversed it's position, and is claiming that the OTHER guy did the shooting. When in doubt, kill them both. Now, they are both criminals, and certainly deserve to be locked up. However, this is a good example of the flaws in the system, and shows just how shoddy the representation for the defense can be at times. Come-on ... one guy or the other shouldn't be executed, right? Or maybe we should just go back to the old west where horse stealing gets you hung. RE: Re: OT: Bjorn At 08:26 AM 12/6/00 -0500, RoyFlanigan wrote: >Bjorn, It's not me who favors executing a mentally retarded person... Since >I don't think that a death penalty is any sort of a deterrent to crime, I >find no reason to support it at all. I suppose that the only rational >support for a death penalty is a revenge motive... and that seems pretty I wound't call revenge a 'rational' motive at all, but now that you mention it, there are no rational motives left, only emotional ones such as revenge, or the allegedly-rational-but-wrong justifications such as costing less than lifetime imprisonment (it's those automatic appeals and stuff in death penalty cases - the government has to be sure one's rights aren't being violated before taking them all away), or that it's a detterent. >weak. Immature, perhaps. Wait until GW Bushie takes over... God knows what >we'll all be in for. > > Peace..... Roy BTW, here's a pertinent link - the first US Federal execution in decades is just days away: <http://www.aclu.org/action/clintonmoratorium107.html> Veering back on topic, I wonder how what percentage of those being executed (the State of Texas might make a statistical universe) have attended AA - most AA'ers would say these people were executed because they " wouldn't or couldn't be honest with themselves. " ----- http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2000 Report Share Posted December 6, 2000 They don't hang people for stealing horses, they hang people so horses don't get stolen. It worked. Compare the horse stealing rates to auto thefts today. Not that I am pro-capital punishment or anything, but I am all for swift and effective punishment for real crimes. RE: Re: OT: Bjorn > > At 08:26 AM 12/6/00 -0500, RoyFlanigan wrote: > >Bjorn, It's not me who favors executing a mentally retarded person... Since > >I don't think that a death penalty is any sort of a deterrent to crime, I > >find no reason to support it at all. I suppose that the only rational > >support for a death penalty is a revenge motive... and that seems pretty > > I wound't call revenge a 'rational' motive at all, but now that you > mention it, there are no rational motives left, only emotional ones such > as revenge, or the allegedly-rational-but-wrong justifications such as > costing less than lifetime imprisonment (it's those automatic appeals and > stuff in death penalty cases - the government has to be sure one's > rights aren't being violated before taking them all away), or that it's > a detterent. > > >weak. Immature, perhaps. Wait until GW Bushie takes over... God knows what > >we'll all be in for. > > > > Peace..... Roy > > BTW, here's a pertinent link - the first US Federal execution in > decades is just days away: > > <http://www.aclu.org/action/clintonmoratorium107.html> > > Veering back on topic, I wonder how what percentage of those being > executed (the State of Texas might make a statistical universe) have > attended AA - most AA'ers would say these people were executed because > they " wouldn't or couldn't be honest with themselves. " > > ----- > http://listen.to/benbradley > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2000 Report Share Posted December 6, 2000 I'm not sure that you can say that it did word, since horse theft continued even after it was made a capital offense. Criminals rarely analyze the punishment (especially if the alternatives were, for example, life in prison or execution), since they don't expect to get caught. Re: Re: OT: Bjorn They don't hang people for stealing horses, they hang people so horses don't get stolen. It worked. Compare the horse stealing rates to auto thefts today. Not that I am pro-capital punishment or anything, but I am all for swift and effective punishment for real crimes. RE: Re: OT: Bjorn > > At 08:26 AM 12/6/00 -0500, RoyFlanigan wrote: > >Bjorn, It's not me who favors executing a mentally retarded person... Since > >I don't think that a death penalty is any sort of a deterrent to crime, I > >find no reason to support it at all. I suppose that the only rational > >support for a death penalty is a revenge motive... and that seems pretty > > I wound't call revenge a 'rational' motive at all, but now that you > mention it, there are no rational motives left, only emotional ones such > as revenge, or the allegedly-rational-but-wrong justifications such as > costing less than lifetime imprisonment (it's those automatic appeals and > stuff in death penalty cases - the government has to be sure one's > rights aren't being violated before taking them all away), or that it's > a detterent. > > >weak. Immature, perhaps. Wait until GW Bushie takes over... God knows what > >we'll all be in for. > > > > Peace..... Roy > > BTW, here's a pertinent link - the first US Federal execution in > decades is just days away: > > <http://www.aclu.org/action/clintonmoratorium107.html> > > Veering back on topic, I wonder how what percentage of those being > executed (the State of Texas might make a statistical universe) have > attended AA - most AA'ers would say these people were executed because > they " wouldn't or couldn't be honest with themselves. " > > ----- > http://listen.to/benbradley > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2000 Report Share Posted December 6, 2000 the government has to be sure one's rights aren't being violated before taking them all away), I always wondered how the people that are against the death penalty justify the rights of those that were violated when they got murdered? Wayne Gacy and Ted Bundy took all kinds of peoples rights away from them when they killed them. Sue A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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