Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 I would agree that natural thyroid supplementation would be more beneficial for the heart, even in higher doses, than the way lower doses the drs prescribe. Makes more sense to me anyway as it's a natural hormone the body needs. She was also comparing Prednizone which she takes for her dysfunctional adrenals, to a hormone like thyroid. I'm not sure what Prednizone is but I didn't think it was a natural hormone. She was also comparing taking over the prescribed doses of other pain killing medications like Percocet & Darvocet to being the same for pain relief as natural thyroid. I don't get the connection tho. Natural thyroid is a hormone but Percocet & Darvocet aren't...they're opiates or narcotics or whatever. So I'm thinking she's confused about what is natural for the body's needs & other medications that aren't naturally needed by the body at all. So I'm not taking much of what she's taking as " the truth " either. But one thing she does know is exactly how to tell her doctors what to order for blood tests for thyroid, adrenals & bunches of other stuff. Matches what's in the files here. So I don't get how she can be so smart about what to ask her doctors for & so confused about what's naturally needed & what's a drug. Caroline Re: EYEBOROWS >>referring to what her cardiologist said. So take that for what it's worth<< Well listening to doctors I would probably be dead or wheelchair bound right now. I have NEVER read anywhere about high thyroid dosages causing heart trouble if they are replacement dosages. This is just more of the scare tactics doctors use to keep us afraid to treat ourselves and filling their pockets. It was a doctor that told me my heart rate of 60 BPM was " athlete's pulse " when I was 32 years old and weighed 240 pounds t 5' 1 " . now I think the low thyroid did more to injure my heart than all the replacement hormones I take now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 >>So I don't get how she can be so smart about what to ask her doctors for & so confused about what's naturally needed & what's a drug. << What I call an educated fool! LOL *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 I figured that would be the case. I've been noticing pains in my chest like angina & heart flutterings I never had before too which I'm beginning to attribute to being mistreated (abused really) on Synthroid for so many years. Tho the EKG showed no problem & other tests didn't either. Still something's not right there. Also when you're older like I am, one wants to feel as good as possible for one's remaining few years. So I'm not about to give a fig about some doctor's cynical threat that heart trouble is caused by higher doses of natural thyroid which the body needs & so many of you are saying how much it helps so many things. That's all I want. Just to feel better. Been too sick & feeling crappy for too long & feel like I'm dying anyway. It's high time for a change no matter what the doctors say. Re: EYEBOROWS yea...and some of us...like me..have heart trouble because doctors wouldn't treat for years and years. So I'll take my chances. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 What makes you think the trouble is all in the thyroid? I am not saying it isn't, but I do pose the question. For instance, I take 3 grains of bovine thyroid and it really does not make a whole lot of difference in the way I feel...it simply gives me back my periods so I know I need it. My main problem is mercury toxicity, which wiped out my thyroid in the first place. However, I lived with thyroid supplmentation for years and did not feel much different. I wonder if I could take more thryoid and get myself to feel better. I have heard discussionf of peoiple taking more here. I am just posing the possibility that it is something other that just your thyroid. For our heart, start drinking a couple of glasses of water every morning with cayenne pepper in it. You get used toit after awhile. It stopped my pains dead. I do not feel any better becasue I am so severly posoned, but the pains are gone. ALs o start taking hawthorne berry. The book 'Left for Dead " expalins the use of cayenne for heart. ~inga on 11/1/04 8:28 PM, Caroline Pollak at MamaMaha@... wrote: I figured that would be the case. I've been noticing pains in my chest like angina & heart flutterings I never had before too which I'm beginning to attribute to being mistreated (abused really) on Synthroid for so many years. Tho the EKG showed no problem & other tests didn't either. Still something's not right there. Also when you're older like I am, one wants to feel as good as possible for one's remaining few years. So I'm not about to give a fig about some doctor's cynical threat that heart trouble is caused by higher doses of natural thyroid which the body needs & so many of you are saying how much it helps so many things. That's all I want. Just to feel better. Been too sick & feeling crappy for too long & feel like I'm dying anyway. It's high time for a change no matter what the doctors say. Re: EYEBOROWS yea...and some of us...like me..have heart trouble because doctors wouldn't treat for years and years. So I'll take my chances. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 >>I take 3 grains of bovine thyroid<< I think here lies your problem! The only bovine thyroid I know of is sold as a supplement and is NOT equivalent to the thyroid in Time Cap Labs or Armour Thyroid. The three grains is not equal to the same amounts of thyroid hormones we are getting from the porcine thyroid which the amounts of T4 & T3 are stated and guaranteed on our bottles. Does your medicine state a guaranteed amount of T4 or T3? If not it is the supplement I am thinking of and you need to order the real USP thyroid we take. Try that first, you can order it from www.myrxforless.com and definitely try that before going to Cytomel. You will need to start in a much lower dosage like 1 grain of the real medicine for a couple weeks then slowly increase it by no more than 1/2 grain (30MG) every couple weeks till you are at three grains then go even more slowly till you find your optimal dosage. If you get heart palps BACK UP to a lower dosage and have some tests run. There are labs where you can order your own testing online for a fraction of what it costs through a doctor, and people here that can help interpret those labs too. *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/30/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 the online & other private labs wouldn't be less expensive for me at all since I have Medicare & Medicare Plus that pays for most of it when ordered by a physician. Re: EYEBOROWS >>I take 3 grains of bovine thyroid<< I think here lies your problem! The only bovine thyroid I know of is sold as a supplement and is NOT equivalent to the thyroid in Time Cap Labs or Armour Thyroid. The three grains is not equal to the same amounts of thyroid hormones we are getting from the porcine thyroid which the amounts of T4 & T3 are stated and guaranteed on our bottles. Does your medicine state a guaranteed amount of T4 or T3? If not it is the supplement I am thinking of and you need to order the real USP thyroid we take. Try that first, you can order it from www.myrxforless.com and definitely try that before going to Cytomel. You will need to start in a much lower dosage like 1 grain of the real medicine for a couple weeks then slowly increase it by no more than 1/2 grain (30MG) every couple weeks till you are at three grains then go even more slowly till you find your optimal dosage. If you get heart palps BACK UP to a lower dosage and have some tests run. There are labs where you can order your own testing online for a fraction of what it costs through a doctor, and people here that can help interpret those labs too. *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/30/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Caroline, since you live in California, you'd not be able to use some of the labs that we use to get our blood results. It's not offered for the state of California at all. There are some other states who are also going to follow that scenario. Most people who do get tested are also tested incorrectly, and all the tests in the world won't correct that when being treated for thyroid. Inga's mention of using bovine thyroid also alerts us that she is taking a supplement type thyroid replacement which wouldn't be as effective as Armour Thyroid. SandyE~Houston On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:34:45 -0800 " Caroline Pollak " wrote: > the online & other private labs wouldn't be less expensive for >me at all since I have Medicare & Medicare Plus that pays for most of >it when ordered by a physician. > Re: EYEBOROWS > > > >>I take 3 grains of bovine thyroid<< > > I think here lies your problem! The only bovine thyroid I know of >is sold as > a supplement and is NOT equivalent to the thyroid in Time Cap Labs >or Armour > Thyroid. The three grains is not equal to the same amounts of >thyroid > hormones we are getting from the porcine thyroid which the amounts >of T4 & > T3 are stated and guaranteed on our bottles. Does your medicine >state a > guaranteed amount of T4 or T3? If not it is the supplement I am >thinking of > and you need to order the real USP thyroid we take. Try that >first, you can > order it from www.myrxforless.com and definitely try that before >going to > Cytomel. You will need to start in a much lower dosage like 1 >grain of the > real medicine for a couple weeks then slowly increase it by no >more than 1/2 > grain (30MG) every couple weeks till you are at three grains then >go even > more slowly till you find your optimal dosage. If you get heart >palps BACK > UP to a lower dosage and have some tests run. There are labs where >you can > order your own testing online for a fraction of what it costs >through a > doctor, and people here that can help interpret those labs too. > *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV > Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/30/2004 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Well all the more reason I need a good physician for referrals, tests, etc. plus probably self-mediating in the future. Re: EYEBOROWS > > > >>I take 3 grains of bovine thyroid<< > > I think here lies your problem! The only bovine thyroid I know of >is sold as > a supplement and is NOT equivalent to the thyroid in Time Cap Labs >or Armour > Thyroid. The three grains is not equal to the same amounts of >thyroid > hormones we are getting from the porcine thyroid which the amounts >of T4 & > T3 are stated and guaranteed on our bottles. Does your medicine >state a > guaranteed amount of T4 or T3? If not it is the supplement I am >thinking of > and you need to order the real USP thyroid we take. Try that >first, you can > order it from www.myrxforless.com and definitely try that before >going to > Cytomel. You will need to start in a much lower dosage like 1 >grain of the > real medicine for a couple weeks then slowly increase it by no >more than 1/2 > grain (30MG) every couple weeks till you are at three grains then >go even > more slowly till you find your optimal dosage. If you get heart >palps BACK > UP to a lower dosage and have some tests run. There are labs where >you can > order your own testing online for a fraction of what it costs >through a > doctor, and people here that can help interpret those labs too. > *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV > Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/30/2004 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 ZThee letters on the tablet say: RSJ NT3 ?????? ~Inga ______ on 11/2/04 2:47 AM, T at artisticgroom@... wrote: >>I take 3 grains of bovine thyroid<< I think here lies your problem! The only bovine thyroid I know of is sold as a supplement and is NOT equivalent to the thyroid in Time Cap Labs or Armour Thyroid. The three grains is not equal to the same amounts of thyroid hormones we are getting from the porcine thyroid which the amounts of T4 & T3 are stated and guaranteed on our bottles. Does your medicine state a guaranteed amount of T4 or T3? If not it is the supplement I am thinking of and you need to order the real USP thyroid we take. Try that first, you can order it from www.myrxforless.com and definitely try that before going to Cytomel. You will need to start in a much lower dosage like 1 grain of the real medicine for a couple weeks then slowly increase it by no more than 1/2 grain (30MG) every couple weeks till you are at three grains then go even more slowly till you find your optimal dosage. If you get heart palps BACK UP to a lower dosage and have some tests run. There are labs where you can order your own testing online for a fraction of what it costs through a doctor, and people here that can help interpret those labs too. *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/30/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 >>Thee letters on the tablet say: RSJ NT3<< This is not Armour or the good generic. The generic that some of us take is from Time Caps Lab, and will have a TCL on top and the size 1-2-3 on the bottom. In the photos section of this site there are pictures of Armour tablets. What you are taking is a whole bovine glandular product. It is sold OTC in this country as a supplement as they do not state or guarantee the hormone content in them. While this is fine for the average person that just wants to boost their metabolism, for folks like us that are sick with hypothyroidism, we need strengths that are guaranteed and the same ones all the time. The product you have is sold in health food stores and longevity websites OTC. This may well be why you are getting no relief. *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/31/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Wow! and I got it from a doctor that people come form all over the place to see...but then she gave me EDTA too that I couldn't handle at the time.... I will be ordering some ARMOUR form myrx.com But say, why is it that only the ARMOUR seems to be any good? What's the scoop here? ~Inga _____ on 11/2/04 10:25 PM, T at artisticgroom@... wrote: >>Thee letters on the tablet say: RSJ NT3<< This is not Armour or the good generic. The generic that some of us take is from Time Caps Lab, and will have a TCL on top and the size 1-2-3 on the bottom. In the photos section of this site there are pictures of Armour tablets. What you are taking is a whole bovine glandular product. It is sold OTC in this country as a supplement as they do not state or guarantee the hormone content in them. While this is fine for the average person that just wants to boost their metabolism, for folks like us that are sick with hypothyroidism, we need strengths that are guaranteed and the same ones all the time. The product you have is sold in health food stores and longevity websites OTC. This may well be why you are getting no relief. *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/31/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 >>But say, why is it that only the ARMOUR seems to be any good? What's the scoop here?<< Armour & the generic from Time Caps Lab BOTH are made with whole porcine thyroid. It is freeze dried, and it contains ALL the thyroid hormones a healthy gland would normally make if it was working right. There are more than just T3 & T4 in it. There is also T1, T2 & Calcitonin.Pig's thyroid hormones are the closest to our own hormones in composition that is available to us. Put all that together with a standardized formula that has been used for over 100 years, and you have a cheap, good medicine that works. However as it has been around so long, there;s no BIG money to be made from it. Nothing at all compared to antidepressants, Synthetic Thyroids, and all the various pain meds (and doctors for each of them) that we would spend our lives needing without it. *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/31/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Caroline, Prednisone isn't natural. It's a synthetic and 4 times stronger than the natural, which is Cortef or hydrocortisone. in Va. I would agree that natural thyroid supplementation would be more beneficial for the heart, even in higher doses, than the way lower doses the drs prescribe. Makes more sense to me anyway as it's a natural hormone the body needs. She was also comparing Prednizone which she takes for her dysfunctional adrenals, to a hormone like thyroid. I'm not sure what Prednizone is but I didn't think it was a natural hormone. She was also comparing taking over the prescribed doses of other pain killing medications like Percocet & Darvocet to being the same for pain relief as natural thyroid. I don't get the connection tho. Natural thyroid is a hormone but Percocet & Darvocet aren't...they're opiates or narcotics or whatever. So I'm thinking she's confused about what is natural for the body's needs & other medications that aren't naturally needed by the body at all. So I'm not taking much of what she's taking as " the truth " either. But one thing she does know is exactly how to tell her doctors what to order for blood tests for thyroid, adrenals & bunches of other stuff. Matches what's in the files here. So I don't get how she can be so smart about what to ask her doctors for & so confused about what's naturally needed & what's a drug. Caroline ----- Original Message ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Hi Lynda, I thought it was synthetic. Thanx for the information. My friend needs to study these things more. She does ask pharmacists & her doctors many things & says she's educating them & she's in control, not them. I wonder about that tho. She's an unquestioning slave to the substances they give her to take. She doesn't even go to the library for books on these health subjects or holistic health remedies/modalities or read much else about them anywhere but she's got all kinds of severe illness & relationship problems. Breast cancer & bad heart trouble now too as well as 's disease, Lupus & heaven knows what all else. But all she's on is the Prednizone & one pain pill. She doesn't even take any vitamin-mineral-herbal supplements, never has. And eats whatever she wishes, is in a horribly abusive relationship & on & on. So she's definitely not my " authority " on anything. She doesn't have a computer though which is hampering, I know. I'm so utterly grateful for my computer. I've had one, (many really, one after another upgrading here), since the first PCs were invented & sold & the Internet was just beginning to form. So I'm an old hand at this www.com stuff & it's been like a veritable college education for me for over 15 years now, no kidding. I feel sorry for people who don't have computers & cannot acces the Web readily. There's everything here moreso than in any library & then some. It's been my " window to the world " & a lifesaver for me more than a few times when I've gotten into the " I don't care anymore if I live or die " moods after I've been sick & depressed so much for too long. Seems there's always something online that's pulled me out of that mode or at least into learning or doing something constructive about it to help change it. Tho it's prolly not good for the eyes or hands or everything else with too much electromagnatic coming off of it all the time, hours a day for me. But I'm still grateful for it. I could never find a supportive, educational, caring group like this in my area to go to in person. And here I'm on several such health & other-subject-related egroups talking to people all over the globe. It's phenomenal & a miracle to me, really. Caroline RE: EYEBOROWS Caroline, Prednisone isn't natural. It's a synthetic and 4 times stronger than the natural, which is Cortef or hydrocortisone. in Va. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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