Re: mycoplasma environment

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I do know I keep myself a little more acidic as yeast otherwise takes

over in an alkaline environment.

I will check on the mycoplasma.

Love

Marge

> Just a point of clarification: do mycoplasma and bacteria have more

> difficulty growing in a slightly acidic or alkaline body? I have

read that

> neutral PH is water at 7.0 and that a normal range for our bodies is

> 6.0-7.0, with 6.3 and lower being a little too much toward the

acidic side

> and 6.8 and up being a little too much toward the alkaline side

(thereby

> making 6.3 to 6.8 ideal for our bodies). I read this in

Prescription for

> Nutritional Healing. A recent live cell microscopy test showed I

might be a

> little on the acidic side and a litmus test I did at home showed

6.2-6.3 in

> the morning, an hour after Minocin but before eating.

>

>

> (RA 25+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

[Guest guest]

Ken and ,

Everything I have read indicates that alkaline-forming foods are beneficial

for RA treatment while acid-forming foods are harmful.

To find relevant websites, go to www.google.com and do a search on:

+ " rheumatoid arthritis " +alkaline +acidic +foods

This will bring up 576 pages. Below are excerpts from some of the pages:

http://netritionals.com/ne00095.html

" Acidosis is a condition in which body chemistry becomes imbalanced and

overly acidic. Symptoms associated with acidosis include frequent sighing,

insomnia, water retention, recessed eyes, rheumatoid arthritis, migraine

headaches... " This web page lists acid-forming foods to avoid and makes

food recommendations.

http://healthychristianliving.com/Rheumatoid Arthritis.htm

" Acids liberate histamine which in turn causes swellings and strong

inflammatory reactions. Therefore, inflammatory conditions deteriorate if

fruit acids or acid-forming foods are ingested, while alkaline-forming

foods, generally vegetables and those rich in minerals, are beneficial. "

http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/2002-04-25/goods_health.php

" An acid environment in the body contributes to inflammation. It

exacerbates conditions such as rheumatoid arthritis. "

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/orpheuspub/opex5.html

" Rheumatoid arthritis affects not only the joints, but also the muscles,

tendons and other tissues of the body. It is a cruel disease... Diet should

be planned on alkaline lines so as to rid the system of its toxicity. A

diet predominated by raw salad, sprouts and cooked vegetables is effective

in this regard. At least one meal a day should be exclusively comprised of

raw salad, sprouts and fruits. A weekly fast for a day or two, or at least

a juice fast for a couple of days, is extremely beneficial. Constipation

should be avoided since any increase in toxicity only irritates the joints

and causes further inflammation. Make it a point to include cabbage,

carrot, cucumber, lettuce, onion, radish, tomato, beet root, cauliflower,

banana, and green leafy vegetables in your salad or in your vegetable menu.

Eat enough garlic as it is very effective in removing toxins and

stimulating blood circulation. Above all, avoid all refined foods, flesh

foods, eggs, milk and milk products, and fried and spicy foods. "

http://www.drlam.com/opinion/ph.cfm

" Acidosis, which is an extended time in the acid pH state, can result in

rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes, lupus, tuberculosis, osteoporosis, high

blood pressure and most cancers. "

Sincerely, Harald

At 01:37 PM 10/6/02 -0400, you wrote:

>Just a point of clarification: do mycoplasma and bacteria have more

>difficulty growing in a slightly acidic or alkaline body? I have read

>that neutral PH is water at 7.0 and that a normal range for our bodies is

>6.0-7.0, with 6.3 and lower being a little too much toward the acidic side

>and 6.8 and up being a little too much toward the alkaline side (thereby

>making 6.3 to 6.8 ideal for our bodies). I read this in Prescription for

>Nutritional Healing. A recent live cell microscopy test showed I might be

>a little on the acidic side and a litmus test I did at home showed 6.2-6.3

>in the morning, an hour after Minocin but before eating.

>

>

>(RA 25+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

[Guest guest]

Hi Marge, I have been told I am very acidic--- I have no idea what

this might do with the mycoplasma, but I sure do know it in my favor

yeast wise. I have been on Minocin for slightly over 2 1/2 years,

and NO yeast infection. Would love to learn more about the

mycoplasma and acid......right now I am very content, as I am doing

fabulously well, and no yeast problems...I have been tested.

Love, Barb

In rheumatic@y..., " elfmarge " <Elfmarge@a...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

> I do know I keep myself a little more acidic as yeast otherwise

takes

> over in an alkaline environment.

> I will check on the mycoplasma.

>

> Love

> Marge

>

>

> > Just a point of clarification: do mycoplasma and bacteria have

more

> > difficulty growing in a slightly acidic or alkaline body? I have

> read that

> > neutral PH is water at 7.0 and that a normal range for our bodies

is

> > 6.0-7.0, with 6.3 and lower being a little too much toward the

> acidic side

> > and 6.8 and up being a little too much toward the alkaline side

> (thereby

> > making 6.3 to 6.8 ideal for our bodies). I read this in

> Prescription for

> > Nutritional Healing. A recent live cell microscopy test showed I

> might be a

> > little on the acidic side and a litmus test I did at home showed

> 6.2-6.3 in

> > the morning, an hour after Minocin but before eating.

> >

> >

> > (RA 25+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

[Guest guest]

Marge, thank you for your response. One of my concerns is that I was told

that when the body is acidic, calcium is drawn from the bones and wherever

else it might be to enutralize the acidity. This is a real concern for me

because of osteopenia/osteoporosis.

Harold's information which I still have to go through in more detail--thank

you, Harold!--would suggest that mycoplasma might prefer acidity. Does

anyone have precise information on the preferred environment of mycoplasma?

> Hi,

> I do know I keep myself a little more acidic as yeast otherwise takes

> over in an alkaline environment.

> I will check on the mycoplasma.

>

> Love

> Marge

>

>

> > Just a point of clarification: do mycoplasma and bacteria have more

> > difficulty growing in a slightly acidic or alkaline body? I have

> read that

> > neutral PH is water at 7.0 and that a normal range for our bodies is

> > 6.0-7.0, with 6.3 and lower being a little too much toward the

> acidic side

> > and 6.8 and up being a little too much toward the alkaline side

> (thereby

> > making 6.3 to 6.8 ideal for our bodies). I read this in

> Prescription for

> > Nutritional Healing. A recent live cell microscopy test showed I

> might be a

> > little on the acidic side and a litmus test I did at home showed

> 6.2-6.3 in

> > the morning, an hour after Minocin but before eating.

> >

> >

> > (RA 25+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

>

>

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

I've been studying a booklet from Kirkman Labs which is a wealth of

information on this subject. It's all a bit complicated, but this

quote will help us to better understand some of it:

Some people " . . . have problems with the inability to secrete

sufficient quantities of hydrochloric acid (HCL) as well as

deficiencies in the production of crucial digestive enzymes in the

small intestines. Both of these problems can have a profound effect

in the overall ability of thoroughly digesting a full spectrum of

foods to provide essential nutrients for growth.

" The condition is known as hypochlorhydria (low or insufficient

stomach acids) and carries with it a number of consequences and

concerns. This is because HCL is considered crucial for proper

protein digestion in the stomach where it helps adjust the pH (acid-

base balance) so that the stomach is more acid (lower pH), allowing

for better digestion of these foods. If the stomach does not have

sufficient amounts of acid, then foods will not be properly broken

down and are delivered into the intestinal tract as partially

digested peptides (many opiate peptides can be formed if milk and

wheat are eaten). Additionally, without adequate acids in the

stomach, then bacteria and/or yeast organisms can begin to grow and

proliferate, because there are insufficient amounts of these acids to

keep these pathogens under control. "

Much more on this -- from Kirkman Laboratories which specifically is

dedicated to these kinds of problems in autistic children and other

health compromised individuals.

Billie/bg

> > > Just a point of clarification: do mycoplasma and bacteria have

more

> > > difficulty growing in a slightly acidic or alkaline body? I

have

> > read that

> > > neutral PH is water at 7.0 and that a normal range for our

bodies is

> > > 6.0-7.0, with 6.3 and lower being a little too much toward the

> > acidic side

> > > and 6.8 and up being a little too much toward the alkaline side

> > (thereby

> > > making 6.3 to 6.8 ideal for our bodies). I read this in

> > Prescription for

> > > Nutritional Healing. A recent live cell microscopy test showed

I

> > might be a

> > > little on the acidic side and a litmus test I did at home showed

> > 6.2-6.3 in

> > > the morning, an hour after Minocin but before eating.

> > >

> > >

> > > (RA 25+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

> >

> >

> >

> > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribe@e...

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi BG,

i know in my " old days " They did manage also to change the envornment

with the drugs i was taking. Years and years of Zantac, Bentyl etc.

I wound up with NO stomach acid and needed to take the HCL as well as

the pancreatic enzymes as I was not able to digest foos. It has been

3 yrs and the environment is better as I do not gas up and am able to

eat again.

I will look into what you are reading.

Thanks as always!

Lov4e

Marge

> > > > Just a point of clarification: do mycoplasma and bacteria

have

> more

> > > > difficulty growing in a slightly acidic or alkaline body? I

> have

> > > read that

> > > > neutral PH is water at 7.0 and that a normal range for our

> bodies is

> > > > 6.0-7.0, with 6.3 and lower being a little too much toward the

> > > acidic side

> > > > and 6.8 and up being a little too much toward the alkaline

side

> > > (thereby

> > > > making 6.3 to 6.8 ideal for our bodies). I read this in

> > > Prescription for

> > > > Nutritional Healing. A recent live cell microscopy test

showed

> I

> > > might be a

> > > > little on the acidic side and a litmus test I did at home

showed

> > > 6.2-6.3 in

> > > > the morning, an hour after Minocin but before eating.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > (RA 25+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribe@e...

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi ! Geoff here.

> Just a point of clarification: do mycoplasma and bacteria have more

> difficulty growing in a slightly acidic or alkaline body?

I see several have posted regarding the minutiae of the numbers, I just

wanted to comment and expound on this portion...

These are totally different organisms. Yeasts live as fully independent

species, i.e., they have cell walls, independent life cycles, etc.

Mycoplasma are " cell wall deficient, " they inject themselves into host cells

(think parasite,) exit into the open to multiply, then re-enter the host

cell. So the answer truly lies in the strength of the immune system, and

the peril lies in weakening it. This is shown quite graphically in the

known results of conventional " disease management therapy " practiced

routinely when contrasted against AP & immune enhancing therapies.

Even with today's technology it is virtually impossible to differentiate

normal cells from mycoplasma " infected " cells in a real-world basis. The

PCR Assay (Polymerase Chain Reaction) actually looks through the sample for

remnants of DNA chain identified as belonging to the Mycoplasma. You can

imagine the difficulty.

Understanding this gives credence to the innate competence of the human

immune system; it rather dumps on the idea that our bodies are " confused. "

As is usual, the only confusion exists in mans' arrogance, and the arrogance

of those being subjected to poor treatment crying out how right it is

because they are too proud or too ignorant to recognize their folly and

misplaced faith, thus they veritably demand others join their demise and use

various means to force it such as legislation and economics. The only thing

broken is our desire to cure versus our lust to exploit... there is plenty

of profit in cure, there just happens to be more in " disease management. "

Oh, who would bother to seek cure if they could simply spend their money,

take some pills, and " feel just fine? "

The issue isn't in what a test will show as a snapshot of your system, but

whether or not the treatment is helping you personally.

Geoff

soli Deo gloria

www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in fighting

these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional kits for

repairing damage; 100% volunteer staffed.

[Guest guest]

Geoff, while you have made some interesting points--I always enjoy reading

your posts and learn a lot from them--I think you may have missed mine. To

me, knowing whether something like acidity affects bacteria, mycoplasma etc.

is important in that it is one more thing we can fairly easily control if we

know our own state and what makes them grow or survive more easily. So any

test becomes the means to a possibly very important end and could contribute

to our well-being and the success of the treatment. I'm not suggesting

people get this test; I just happened to have this issue brought to my

attention during a screening test and I wanted to learn more about its

implications.

rheumatic Re: mycoplasma environment

> Hi ! Geoff here.

>

> > Just a point of clarification: do mycoplasma and bacteria have more

> > difficulty growing in a slightly acidic or alkaline body?

>

> I see several have posted regarding the minutiae of the numbers, I just

> wanted to comment and expound on this portion...

>

> These are totally different organisms. Yeasts live as fully independent

> species, i.e., they have cell walls, independent life cycles, etc.

> Mycoplasma are " cell wall deficient, " they inject themselves into host

cells

> (think parasite,) exit into the open to multiply, then re-enter the host

> cell. So the answer truly lies in the strength of the immune system, and

> the peril lies in weakening it. This is shown quite graphically in the

> known results of conventional " disease management therapy " practiced

> routinely when contrasted against AP & immune enhancing therapies.

>

> Even with today's technology it is virtually impossible to differentiate

> normal cells from mycoplasma " infected " cells in a real-world basis. The

> PCR Assay (Polymerase Chain Reaction) actually looks through the sample

for

> remnants of DNA chain identified as belonging to the Mycoplasma. You can

> imagine the difficulty.

>

> Understanding this gives credence to the innate competence of the human

> immune system; it rather dumps on the idea that our bodies are " confused. "

> As is usual, the only confusion exists in mans' arrogance, and the

arrogance

> of those being subjected to poor treatment crying out how right it is

> because they are too proud or too ignorant to recognize their folly and

> misplaced faith, thus they veritably demand others join their demise and

use

> various means to force it such as legislation and economics. The only

thing

> broken is our desire to cure versus our lust to exploit... there is plenty

> of profit in cure, there just happens to be more in " disease management. "

> Oh, who would bother to seek cure if they could simply spend their money,

> take some pills, and " feel just fine? "

>

> The issue isn't in what a test will show as a snapshot of your system, but

> whether or not the treatment is helping you personally.

>

> Geoff

> soli Deo gloria

>

> www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in

fighting

> these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional kits

for

> repairing damage; 100% volunteer staffed.

>

>

>

>

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Geoff,

Very well stated! It is always when someone wants to know why their

doc hanot tlet them know. It is why we need to work hard at gettingth

word out wherever and whenever we ca!

No one ever told me! I went through 17yrs of conventional therapies,

thus wrecking a portion og my immune system! This part they never

say..how depleted and sick one gets from the conventional treatment.

Bravo for a great post!

Love

Marge

> Hi ! Geoff here.

>

> > Just a point of clarification: do mycoplasma and bacteria have

more

> > difficulty growing in a slightly acidic or alkaline body?

>

> I see several have posted regarding the minutiae of the numbers, I

just

> wanted to comment and expound on this portion...

>

> These are totally different organisms. Yeasts live as fully

independent

> species, i.e., they have cell walls, independent life cycles, etc.

> Mycoplasma are " cell wall deficient, " they inject themselves into

host cells

> (think parasite,) exit into the open to multiply, then re-enter the

host

> cell. So the answer truly lies in the strength of the immune

system, and

> the peril lies in weakening it. This is shown quite graphically in

the

> known results of conventional " disease management therapy " practiced

> routinely when contrasted against AP & immune enhancing therapies.

>

> Even with today's technology it is virtually impossible to

differentiate

> normal cells from mycoplasma " infected " cells in a real-world

basis. The

> PCR Assay (Polymerase Chain Reaction) actually looks through the

sample for

> remnants of DNA chain identified as belonging to the Mycoplasma.

You can

> imagine the difficulty.

>

> Understanding this gives credence to the innate competence of the

human

> immune system; it rather dumps on the idea that our bodies

are " confused. "

> As is usual, the only confusion exists in mans' arrogance, and the

arrogance

> of those being subjected to poor treatment crying out how right it

is

> because they are too proud or too ignorant to recognize their folly

and

> misplaced faith, thus they veritably demand others join their

demise and use

> various means to force it such as legislation and economics. The

only thing

> broken is our desire to cure versus our lust to exploit... there is

plenty

> of profit in cure, there just happens to be more in " disease

management. "

> Oh, who would bother to seek cure if they could simply spend their

money,

> take some pills, and " feel just fine? "

>

> The issue isn't in what a test will show as a snapshot of your

system, but

> whether or not the treatment is helping you personally.

>

> Geoff

> soli Deo gloria

>

> www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in

fighting

> these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional

kits for

> repairing damage; 100% volunteer staffed.