Re: is this part of thyroid problem?

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In a message dated 10/18/2004 9:48:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,

rleyva@... writes:

> You think this could

> be a thyroid related issue, or just a personal personality issue?

> Any one been there?

>

probably all of us. when i saw thyroid hormone described as a " coping

hormone " it all came together for me. I would get mad at anything...couldn't

stand

anything going wrong. Heck, i'd even start getting antsy when I brought in

the groceries and they were all sitting there waiting to be put away. or if the

cat peed...cause i knew the litter box would need cleaning. anything upset

me. i just didn't have the hormone that allowed me to cope with life. it's

definitely thyroid.

cindi

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Hi Ms. Jekyl. Can you give us more info? Such as, are you at your

optimal dose of Armour--a dose that gives you great energy and no

lingering hypo symptoms?

Where are you in relation to your period?

Janie

> Why am I losing patience with my husband and my kids? I

practically

> can stand my husband of 20 years! I adore my kids and I am always

> with them (hubby isn't...gets too tired, poor thing!) Today was a

> bad day and I yelled at the kids way too much. You think this

could

> be a thyroid related issue, or just a personal personality issue?

> Any one been there?

>

> Thanks from Ms. Jekyl!

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it could be you are more irritable when you are sick and in pain. but

it would be foolish to think that all your communication problems and

feelings towards your husband and children have to do with the thyroid.

b

>

>

> Ok, maybe this question has been asked before, but then again maybe

> it hasn't BUT has been thought about before...

>

> Why am I losing patience with my husband and my kids? I practically

> can stand my husband of 20 years! I adore my kids and I am always

> with them (hubby isn't...gets too tired, poor thing!) Today was a

> bad day and I yelled at the kids way too much. You think this could

> be a thyroid related issue, or just a personal personality issue?

> Any one been there?

>

> Thanks from Ms. Jekyl!

>

>

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>

>

>

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In a message dated 10/19/2004 1:02:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> but

> it would be foolish to think that all your communication problems and

> feelings towards your husband and children have to do with the thyroid

i disagree. it is quite possible. when i was first diagnosed, i remember

reading how marriages had broken up because of how a partner had changed because

of thyroid disease. the change that occurs in one's personality can be

puzzling and frustrating to both partners. I ask my husband now how he stood me

during that really difficult time...and he tells me " I knew it wasn't

you " ....but I have a really great husband...I can certainly see, however, where

if a

marriage wasn't strong...a partner might say " enough of this " .

Cindi

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nc2406@... wrote:

>i disagree. it is quite possible. when i was first diagnosed, i remember

>reading how marriages had broken up because of how a partner had changed

because

>of thyroid disease. the change that occurs in one's personality can be

>puzzling and frustrating to both partners. I ask my husband now how he stood

me

>during that really difficult time...and he tells me " I knew it wasn't

>you " ....but I have a really great husband...I can certainly see, however, where

if a

>marriage wasn't strong...a partner might say " enough of this " .

>

I know that my marriage has suffered enormously from me being ill. My

husband has said that its like living with a different woman-one who is

brainless and wilful and obtuse and unable to converse with. He is

obviously sticking around and actively helping me bring back the real me

but i can't imagine some of my friends husbands doing the same

--

Alison

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Well, we weren't married but I have a live-in partner for 8 years that ended

mostly due to thyroid disease. He actually believed I was sneaking food that

he never saw to cause the weight gain. Which of course cost us trust, and

then the house fell apart, I no longer could work & take care of the house,

and he just couldn't believe I couldn't do both as I always had done before.

I had no children to take care of, and I have to admit, the house WAS a

disaster! The fighting began and I can remember him saying how anti-social I

had become, as well as fat & lazy. He didn't want to even try to understand

he just knew he hated what I had become. At the time I was on Synthroid and

slowly getting sicker with each passing day.

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I can relate to this statement, because I became a real tyrant when I

was first sick. Nothing anybody did, most especially my hubby or kids

made me happy. I also had a good case of Graves Rage, and it's not

something I ever want to have to deal with again. I personally

invited my hubby to get out of my house. And the scary part was, I

meant every word of it at that given time. I was sick, and I didn't

need anything else to make me feel bad. When he told me to 'stop

diagnosing' myself after testing, waiting to get in to see the Endo,

it didn't help how I felt either.

He on the other hand was confused because he could see a change, and

the change he saw, he DID NOT like. lol. I did get a lot better, but

it's a miracle he didn't leave at that time, like I instructed him to

do.

SandyE~Houston

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 06:59:00 EDT

nc2406@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/19/2004 1:02:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> 420@... writes:

>

> > but

> > it would be foolish to think that all your communication problems

>and

> > feelings towards your husband and children have to do with the

>thyroid

>

> i disagree. it is quite possible. when i was first diagnosed, i

>remember

> reading how marriages had broken up because of how a partner had

>changed because

> of thyroid disease. the change that occurs in one's personality can

>be

> puzzling and frustrating to both partners. I ask my husband now how

>he stood me

> during that really difficult time...and he tells me " I knew it

>wasn't

> you " ....but I have a really great husband...I can certainly see,

>however, where if a

> marriage wasn't strong...a partner might say " enough of this " .

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 2:31:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> the poster of the original question, however, IS

> aware. she is aware that her moods have been bad, she's been impatient

> at her husband and her children, and that she is screaming at them.

> she wants to know if this is all because of her thyroid.

>

ok - got ya...i get your point....i think so many of us have been affected

negatively in our relationships that we just all had to point out how it can

affect you...and let her know that. but i understand now where you're coming

from.

cindi

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In a message dated 10/19/2004 2:33:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> are you referring to me with the before armour/after armour thing?

>

I was referring to ME on the before armour/after armour. My relationship

problems were BEFORE Armour...before diagnosis...when the thyroid dysfunction

had

taken hold of me, but i didn't know that it was affecting the way I was

acting. Those problems resolved after Armour. I guess the other ladies will

have

to chime in and let us know if they were talking about before treatment or

after treatment.

Cindi

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In a message dated 10/19/2004 2:38:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> she is in fact quite aware of her behaviour and wanted to know if it

> had anything to do with her thyroid disease

baron,

i guess i still feel that even being aware of it is not always enough to

control if if you are hypo. one just doesn't have the coping resources

always..and especially if they aren't on optimal doses of thyroid hormone.

I mean I fully understand what you're saying. I really do. But i think we

were just trying to let the original poster know that yes...your irritation

and aggravation may well be related to your thyroid disease. Not to say that

she didn't need to work on it...but just that the thyroid disease can have that

affect.

Cindi

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In a message dated 10/19/2004 3:31:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

artisticgroom@... writes:

> Does knocking someone unconscious with a marble cutting board amount to bad

> thyroid behavior?

far be it from me to convict you on this...especially if it was before

Armour.

Cindi

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In a message dated 10/19/2004 3:12:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> because yelling and screaming are the result of behaviour

> when a person reaches the end point of their tolerance levels as a

> result of their illness. but it isn't caused by their illness. an

> alternative would be to leave the room. she's still capable of that.

>

and she might be. not everyone...dependent upon the stage of their

illness...would be. i think maybe you never got to this stage?

Cindi

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In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:09:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> then i decided it was really not going to help me feel any better and

> would in fact help make EVERYONE feel worse

but i don't think you did. cause at the stage i'm talking about...i had no

conception that i was even causing that much distress to my husband. i really

thought he was the problem...or whatever the particular stressor was. You get

to a point where you cannot handle any everyday normal stressors. You can

NOT cope because your body does not have what it was designed to have to cope.

so it becomes an impossible task...and it's not your fault. It really is the

disease.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:09:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> then i decided it was really not going to help me feel any better and

> would in fact help make EVERYONE feel worse.

see...if you had the capability to actually decide something...then you

weren't there. at the worst point of hypo....folks are incapable of good

thinking.

their brain is not functioning properly.

cindi

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In a message dated 10/19/2004 4:06:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> you can be ill and empowered at the same time.

doesn't this depend on the nature of the illness? if an illness affects

your brain functioning...isn't that a different animal?

cindi

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In a message dated 10/19/2004 5:04:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> i didn't disagree FOR you, but if you're so hung up on your very own

> personal experience, maybe you shouldn't be ascribing it to someone

> else's, either, mine or the original poster's.

>

why are you angry? Because I say that some folks can not control their

behavior when they're hypo? And that i believe hypo can be a disease of the

brain?

And I'm not " hung up " on my personal experience....I just don't think it's

that uncommon.

Cindi

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In a message dated 10/19/2004 5:06:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> hypothyroid might affect brain

> functions and cause depression and anxiety, but so do many illnesses,

> and it is not at all a disease of the brain. trying to pass it off as

> one, is hyperbole.

>

I disagree.

Cindi

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In a message dated 10/19/2004 5:11:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> then we both agree it is possible to be empowered despite having a

> disease, even one that affects your mood and brain and emotional

> functions.

>

depends upon the nature of the disease.

cindi

[Guest guest]

Another thing to consider is that when a woman's thyroid is out of whack, so

are her other female hormones usually. Try to control your temper when THOSE

nasties are pumping!

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>

> In a message dated 10/19/2004 2:31:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> 420@... writes:

>

>> the poster of the original question, however, IS

>> aware. she is aware that her moods have been bad, she's been

>> impatient

>> at her husband and her children, and that she is screaming at them.

>> she wants to know if this is all because of her thyroid.

>>

>

> ok - got ya...i get your point....i think so many of us have been

> affected

> negatively in our relationships that we just all had to point out how

> it can

> affect you...and let her know that. but i understand now where you're

> coming

> from.

> cindi

i got your point, too, by the way. and i totally understand and

ascribe to what you went through--i just felt these were two different

cases.

b

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sorry, i thought you knew something about me and armour that i didn't!

LOL

(that was not my thyroid making me misunderstand--that was just me!)

>

> In a message dated 10/19/2004 2:33:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> 420@... writes:

>

>> are you referring to me with the before armour/after armour thing?

>>

>

> I was referring to ME on the before armour/after armour. My

> relationship

> problems were BEFORE Armour...before diagnosis...when the thyroid

> dysfunction had

> taken hold of me, but i didn't know that it was affecting the way I was

> acting. Those problems resolved after Armour. I guess the other

> ladies will have

> to chime in and let us know if they were talking about before

> treatment or

> after treatment.

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/2004 5:58:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> and along the same lines that pms has caused murders yet

> never been a defense in court, neither would hypothyroidism.

>

maybe that's because the docs are so clueless about it anyway...hard to

explain what you don't understand.

cindi

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In a message dated 10/19/2004 6:24:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,

alison.ashwell@... writes:

> actually just found a case of hypothyroid psychois defense:

>

>

> *Myxedema psychosis--insanity defense in homicide.*

>

>

so case closed?

cindi

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Does knocking someone unconscious with a marble cutting board amount to bad

thyroid behavior? LOL Yes I did, and from what I remember of the incident, I

should have done it long before I did, but if it happened now.. I would just

leave. That is the difference in ME from no Armour to full treatment. Then I

had no choices that I could see or do. Now I have many choices, and the

ability to see them.

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we have certainly opened the door to some good discussion here.

here is my broad and general take:

imo, empowerment and illness are not exclusive. to me, empowerment

means knowing what you are capable of and trying your best to be the

best you can be. it always takes into account limitations that are

physical or mental, and it certainly isn't insensitive to disease,

illness, or any of the trials and tribulations that we as people, and

especially we on this group, face.

you can be ill and empowered at the same time. kennedy ran this

country despite the severe pain from back injuries, addison's disease,

crohn's disease (anyone think he might have been a thyroid case? lol).

he had the support of his staff and his family, and whoever else he had

around him. i imagine that those of us who are suffering today, can

likewise still somehow run our lives and our households, if we likewise

have the support and help of those around us, and our families.

the easiest road to empowerment is responsibility. " this is what i can

do and i'm going to do it. " if i can't do something, i won't. and

what i can't do, personally, you can fill an ocean with--i can manage

about 4 dishes at the sink before my hands start shaking, and i can put

loads in the wash and transfer them but i can't fold them once they're

done, i can't mop the floors...

but i can vacuum! i can be pleasant. i can be loving. i can be

patient. i can understand that this is hard for me but it's hard for

my partner, too because they have to pick up my slack. and i can

absolutely leave the room if i think i'm going to yell about something,

and i can choose to say something in a different way. and if we're

both mad about something or mad at each other, i can choose to initiate

peace and conversation.

just that effort alone has made an incredible difference. and she's

been pretty incredible herself, for hanging in there. my point is that

it takes both of us. i can't just sit and expect understanding and

compassion and bemoan the lack of it when it isn't forthcoming. we

made an agreement: no yelling. i won't yell at her when i'm in pain

and feeling bad (which is almost 24/7), she doesn't yell at me for not

picking up stuff. it works.

best,

baron

> good thought provoking questions.

> I can only answer for me.

> I think there was a point in my decline before being diagnosed that I

> really

> wasn't capable to control everything. Would I have shot my husband at

> that

> point? I don't think so. Would I have harmed myself? Quite

> possibly. Would I

> have spanked a kid (if i had young ones) when I shouldn't have.

> Probably.

> Did I yell at the cat when I shouldn't have? Yes.

>

> But there really was a period of time when Cindi was not Cindi. She

> had

> brain damage...serious brain damage from my brain not having enough T3

> in it. You

> need T3 in your brain to function normally. Without it, you will

> probably

> have all sorts of psychiatric disorder and in my opinion...are not

> yourself at

> all.

>

> So if the question is should a jury let someone go if they have

> seriously

> harmed someone because at the time they were seriously

> hypo...hmmm...good

> question...because for sure I was not responsible for what I was

> doing...let's toss

> this around and see what some other folks say.

> Cindi

>

>

>