Re: low carb on a budget

[Guest guest]

Here in Vermont they have various food banks that give away free food, and

you can choose what you want. I have a friend who goes there regularly. A

lot of the stuff is high-carb, but that might be also because he loves

carbs. I think they also have vegetables.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

" Gretchen " wrote:

> > Another thing to look out for now. Low-carb has gotten

> > less popular with the nondiabetic populations, so low-carb

> > foods are selling for almost nothing at food discount places.

" SulaBlue " wrote:

> The problem, of course, is that once these supplies are gone -

> they'll be gone. And then we'll be up the creek without the

> proverbial paddle!

>

Not quite. Most of it never appeared here; so I just had to learn to

cook and prepare my own.

Cheers, Alan.

[Guest guest]

> Thank you, I found this out by reading Dr. Bernstein's book

> last night. However what do you do when 90% of the foods he

> has listed I don't care for or don't care to try?

<snip>

You change what you care for, and what you try.

I changed to caring for my body, instead of " caring " what I ate.

This week, my mum is staying with us. She couldn't believe what she

found in our fridge. Three years ago, before diagnosis, she would have

found none of these:

Broccoli

Cauliflower

Capsicum(Peppers)

Squash

Asparagus

Ricotta cheese

Yogurt

Bacon

Eggs (I used to think bacon and eggs were unhealthy:-)

Chinese Cabbage

Spanish Onions

And a much wider variety of other veges, cheeses, etc. Nor, three

years back, would she have found a freezer full of single-serve

home-made casseroles and soups.

The interesting thing is that I now " care " for those foods that I used

to think I detested. What I don't care for is high BGs.

Cheers, Alan

[Guest guest]

I'm curious to know, too; I'm sometimes in that position.

Yours,

Dora

Austin, Texas

villandra@...

low carb on a budget

If you are so hard up that you depend on charitable organizations for your

food...places like churches...how do you manage a low-carb lifestyle? There

must be a way to be on a very tight budget, indeed, and still get some food

that's decent for a diabetic. But how? Are there other organizations that

will provide food other than cheese and bulk starches? Diabetes advocates?

What does a person do when they really have virtually no money for groceries?

sky

[Guest guest]

What I actually did last time money got tight was;

I cooked a week's worth of oatmeal at a time (with cinnamon) in my crock pot.

and refrigerated it. Served a half cup with milk, a glass of half OJ and half

water, and coffee, for breakfast.

If you have to have fat and protein, you could do eggs. They're cheap.

Lunch was low fat smoked deli turkey between two slices of bread, with endive or

something and apple when I could afford them.

Dinner was three ounce turkey-and-hamburger patties (I mixed turkeyburger,

hamburger, wheat germ, and water, and divided it five patties per pound, and

microwaved on half power, seven minutes each side.) I froze the patties in

bags.

I cooked rice in the crock pot, and divied it into 1/3 cup servings, on a plate,

froze them, and put them in a bag.

And I got a five pound bag of frozen mixed veggies.

For nights when I worked, I put a rice serving, a meat patty, and a half cup of

frozen veggies i na little plastic container. By supper time everything was

thawed, and it all cooked up nicely. Otherwise I nuked a half cup frozen

veggies for a minute or two, then added the meat and rice.

I was actually doing better on this than what Iv'e been eating since I had more

money. It did get monotonous.

Snacks were those wheat things and low fat string cheese.

Thankfully I never had to go to a food bank; all they know how to give out is

cereal, white bread, five tons of various sorts of pasta, canned sausage, and

canned veggies!

Yours,

Dora

Austin, Texas

villandra@...

Re: low carb on a budget

At 11:35 PM 7/5/05, Lynda wrote:

>I wonder if people have really thought about how hard low carb is on a

>low budget,my hubby is self employed, and boy can we stretch a dollar,no

>insurance and we have to figure meds-grocerys-or lights but we are

>blessed more than some so just keep on trying and some how we make it.We

>have tomatoes and squash in a small place and I have learned to cook

>low carb Its hard but not impossible so just keep trying and praying

Lynn, how about sharing some of your techniques of dollar-stretching? I'm

asking for a friend who is in a very tight situation and really does have

to count on what churches and the like give. I don't know if this person

lives in a house or apartment. I know that with some large pots you can

grow some stuff even on a deck or patio.

sky

[Guest guest]

Oh; sometimes I made sandwiches of high quality peanut butter instead of meat.

But you wouldn't wnt to do that consistently because even though it contains all

the right oils, peanut butter is very artherogenic.

Yours,

Dora

Austin, Texas

villandra@...

Re: low carb on a budget

At one point when my kids were small we were getting US gov. Surplus

food. It did provide some canned meat products, peanut butter, cheese

& some canned veggies in addition to the starchy stuff. Also dry milk &

dry eggs.

cappie

[Guest guest]

How do you tell these from other weeds? I live outside the Denver Metro Area

of Colorado.

Kathleen

>One thing to look out for if you live in a rural place is edible weeds.

[Guest guest]

I like broccoli, cauliflower, some squash ( I planted acorn squash) Some

yogurts, turkey bacon, eggs (which we have plenty of, we have chickens and

ducks laying), and lots of fruits especially watermelon and cantaloupe,

grapes. I have not eaten nor do I know how to prepare to eat Chinese

cabbage, and can't eat peppers and onions of any kind. Peppers I am

allergic too and onions tear my stomach up. I will get up an fix some bacon

and eggs in the morning. Question is I thought eggs were bad for

cholesterol? I already have very high cholesterol and triglycirides, ( the

tri has always been high, way up in the 1000). So will the eggs make this

go higher?

Kathleen

Broccoli

Cauliflower

Capsicum(Peppers)

Squash

Asparagus

Ricotta cheese

Yogurt

Bacon

Eggs (I used to think bacon and eggs were unhealthy:-)

Chinese Cabbage

Spanish Onions

[Guest guest]

<snip>

> I will get up an fix some bacon and eggs in the morning.

> Question is I thought eggs were bad for cholesterol?

> I already have very high cholesterol and triglycirides,

> ( the tri has always been high, way up in the 1000).

> So will the eggs make this go higher?

>

Hi Kathleen.

I can only go on my own experience. I eat an egg (singular) and a

rasher of bacon (well-drained, I think that's equivalent to two of

your strips) most mornings for breakfast. There is nearly always an

egg, but sometimes the other protein may be fish or steak.

I'll post here something I posted on another group; it was to do with

statins, but it clearly shows that my trigs were not affected by that

breakfast. However, I do appear to have a problem with LDL but I don't

think it is related to the eggs; more likely it's in my genes.

I tried dropping lipitor; I tried three stages, first Pravachol 20mg,

then I dropped that in early February and tried CoQ10 and B12. Then,

with the bad results I had from that I reverted to lipitor 20mg but

retained the CoQ10 and a B complex.

It's blindingly obvious that I'll need lipitor or an equivalent from

now on. But it's also nice to know that it works after all that. Note,

for your comparison, the trigs. My comment would be that I eat a lot

less carbs than you do.

.................9-Feb.......04-Mar.....28-Apr.....28-Jun

med before test...lip........prav.....Q10+B12..lip+q10+B12

Total.........4.8(185)....6.5(251)...8.5(328)...4.9(189)

Trigs..........0.9(80).....1.0(88)...1.4(124)...1.2(106)

HDL............1.3(50).....1.4(54)....1.4(54)....1.6(62)

LDL...........3.1(120)....4.6(178)...6.5(178)...2.7(104)

tr/HDL ratio..0.7(1.6)....0.7(1.6)...1.0(2.3)...0.8(1.8)

And I still have bacon and egg for breakfast. I reckon eggs have had a

bad press.

Cheers, Alan

[Guest guest]

<snip>

Oops - a PS

>I have not eaten nor do I know how to prepare to eat Chinese

> cabbage,

Braise it with a little chopped bacon.

> and can't eat peppers and onions of any kind. Peppers I am

> allergic too and onions tear my stomach up.

That's a pity. Wonderful foods for eye health.

Cheers, Alan

[Guest guest]

Well - here's some good news! Triglycerides are more affected by *CARBS* than

they are

by eating fat Extra glucose in the blood changes over to triglycerides, I

think (I seem to

remember this, but can't remember WHERE! So, another benefit to lowering your

carb

intake.

SulaBlue

Question is I thought eggs were bad for

> cholesterol? I already have very high cholesterol and triglycirides, ( the

> tri has always been high, way up in the 1000). So will the eggs make this

> go higher?

>

> Kathleen

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

I feel your pain. I can't eat *RAW* onions. Cook them, tho, and I can eat them

in moderate

amounts. They have to be cooked all the way to translucent though.

I love having zuchs with grilled onions, or grilled onions w/ lean sausage

Heck, grilled

onions with just about anything!

SulaBlue

> <snip>

>

> Oops - a PS

>

> >I have not eaten nor do I know how to prepare to eat Chinese

> > cabbage,

>

> Braise it with a little chopped bacon.

>

> > and can't eat peppers and onions of any kind. Peppers I am

> > allergic too and onions tear my stomach up.

>

> That's a pity. Wonderful foods for eye health.

>

> Cheers, Alan

[Guest guest]

> How do you tell these from other weeds? I live outside the Denver Metro

Area

> of Colorado.

You can get books with pictures, or look on the Internet for pictures. Or

ask friends and neighbors. If none of them know, ask the Extension office if

they know people who know about edible plants.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

> tri has always been high, way up in the 1000). So will the eggs make this

> go higher?

High triglycerides are usually caused by carbohydrates.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

Many diabetics when first diagnosed have triglycerides in the

stratosphere. Several years before I was diagnosed, mine were; but my

PCP didn't pick up on it.

Kathleen, when you limit your carbs and get your BGs in the normal

range, your triglycerides should come down. Sue

> Well - here's some good news! Triglycerides are more affected by

> *CARBS* than they are

> by eating fat Extra glucose in the blood changes over to

> triglycerides, I think (I seem to

> remember this, but can't remember WHERE! So, another benefit to

> lowering your carb

> intake.

[Guest guest]

* How do you tell these from other weeds? I live outside the Denver

Metro

Area

> of Colorado.

You can get books with pictures, or look on the Internet for pictures. Or

ask friends and neighbors. If none of them know, ask the Extension office if

they know people who know about edible plants.

Gretchen

Thank you I will contact the extension office nearby.

* Kathleen

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 19:32:21 -0600, " Dances With Eagles "

wrote:

>I like broccoli, cauliflower, some squash ( I planted acorn squash)

Acorn Squash is 30g of carbs per cup of cooked product. Zucchini, in

contrast, is only 7g per cup of cooked product. You're going to have

to use that >>> free <<<< USDA database or a nutrition book or

something and pay attention to the carbs.

>Some

>yogurts, turkey bacon, eggs (which we have plenty of, we have chickens and

>ducks laying), and lots of fruits especially watermelon and cantaloupe,

>grapes.

Carbs per cup:

Watermelon - 11.5

Cantaloupe - 13

Grapes, seedless - 29

>Question is I thought eggs were bad for cholesterol?

Bernstein addresses that. Short answer: no, if your carbs are under

control.

>I already have very high cholesterol and triglycirides, ( the

>tri has always been high, way up in the 1000). So will the eggs make this

>go higher?

These are probably high because your BG is also high. When you get

your BG truly under control, those numbers will probably drop. Again,

Bernstein talks about this.

---

De Armond

See my website for my current email address

http://www.johngsbbq.com

Cleveland, Occupied TN

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 01:54:43 -0000, " SulaBlue "

wrote:

>I love having zuchs with grilled onions, or grilled onions w/ lean sausage

Heck, grilled

>onions with just about anything!

I used to could not look a Zuch in the eye without the gag reflex. I

enjoy Japanese hibachi cooking and the Zuch is part of that cuisine.

I've learned how to cook it and now like it quite well.

Long narrow strips cooked rapidly on a hot iron skillet with some oil,

soy sauce, pureed ginger root and optionally just a touch of chinese

mustard. Some onions make 'em even better.

Have to watch the carbs in the onions, however. They sneak up on ya!

---

De Armond

See my website for my current email address

http://www.johngsbbq.com

Cleveland, Occupied TN

[Guest guest]

> > you have ya purselane, in the south we have polk salad a real

treat if

> > you fix it right!!

>

> What is polk. Pokeweed?

>

> Gretchen

Hey - I ain't even a local - but I sure remember the song:

http://ntl.matrix.com.br/pfilho/html/lyrics/p/polk_salad_annie.txt

POLK SALAD ANNIE

Tony Joe White

(words & music by Tony Joe White)

(Recitation)

If some of ya'll never been down South too much...

I'm gonna tell you a little bit about this, so that you'll understand

What I'm talking about

Down there we have a plant that grows out in the

woods and the fields,

looks somethin' like a turnip green.

Everybody calls it Polk salad. Polk salad.

Used to know a girl that lived down there and

she'd go out in the evenings and pick a mess of it...

Carry it home and cook it for supper, 'cause that's about all they had

to eat,

But they did all right.

Down in Louisiana Where the alligators grow so mean

There lived a girl that I swear to the world Made the alligators look tame

Polk salad Annie polk salad Annie

Everybody said it was a shame

Cause her mama was working on the chain-gang

(a mean, vicious woman)

Everyday 'fore supper time She'd go down by the truck patch

And pick her a mess o' Polk salad And carry it home in a tote sack

Polk salad Annie 'Gators got you granny

Everybody said it was a shame

'Cause her mama was aworkin' on the chain-gang

(a wretched, spiteful, straight-razor totin' woman,

Lord have mercy. Pick a mess of it)

Her daddy was lazy and no count

Claimed he had a bad back

All her brothers were fit for was stealin' watermelons out of my truck

patch

Polk salad Annie, the gators got your granny

Everybody said it was a shame

Cause her mama was a working' on the chain gang

(Sock a little polk salad to me, you know I need a mess of it)

Cheers, Alan

[Guest guest]

The best way to lower cholesterol IMHO is to go lower carb. It isn't really

absorbed from the fat

you eat, but the body creates it as a result of more carbs ingested than your

body burns. The

cholesterol myth is the longest standing fad diet in the history of mankind, and

is based on bad

reporting of research done in 1943.....

--- Dances With Eagles wrote:

> I like broccoli, cauliflower, some squash ( I planted acorn squash) Some

> yogurts, turkey bacon, eggs (which we have plenty of, we have chickens and

> ducks laying), and lots of fruits especially watermelon and cantaloupe,

> grapes. I have not eaten nor do I know how to prepare to eat Chinese

> cabbage, and can't eat peppers and onions of any kind. Peppers I am

> allergic too and onions tear my stomach up. I will get up an fix some bacon

> and eggs in the morning. Question is I thought eggs were bad for

> cholesterol? I already have very high cholesterol and triglycirides, ( the

> tri has always been high, way up in the 1000). So will the eggs make this

> go higher?

>

> Kathleen

>

>

> Broccoli

> Cauliflower

> Capsicum(Peppers)

> Squash

> Asparagus

> Ricotta cheese

> Yogurt

> Bacon

> Eggs (I used to think bacon and eggs were unhealthy:-)

> Chinese Cabbage

> Spanish Onions

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm either a) one of the lucky souls that onions don't bother or I usually

eat them at

times my insulin resistance isn't high. I don't normally dose in the afternoon

or evenings

(save a corrective dose if the predictions weren't spot-on for my rise). I've

never bothered

to count for onions - or most veggie sides. (Now, if they're in a recipe, I

certainly count

them as part of the nutritional data for that recipe, as I can't just break them

out )

SulaBlue

>

>

> Have to watch the carbs in the onions, however. They sneak up on ya!

>

>

> ---

> De Armond

> See my website for my current email address

> http://www.johngsbbq.com

> Cleveland, Occupied TN

[Guest guest]

At 03:15 AM 7/7/05, Alan wrote:

>Hey - I ain't even a local - but I sure remember the song:

>http://ntl.matrix.com.br/pfilho/html/lyrics/p/polk_salad_annie.txt

>

>POLK SALAD ANNIE

Just a note about polk greens. You have to get them when they're just out

of the ground...no more than maybe 4-6 inches tall. Once the plant gets

larger the leaves become poisonous.

This site, however, doesn't think you should eat it at any size:

http://www.aces.edu/dept/extcomm/newspaper/june21b02.html

sky

[Guest guest]

after you pick the new leaves you wash it then

cover in water and cook 10 min-drain it

cover in water and cook 10 min-drain it

cover in water and cook 10 min-drain it

yep do it three times

drain it again ,fry some bacon pieces and onions then add the polk

salad and cook maybe 10 min till all is hot and make some corn bread and

enjoy

Lynda

Alan wrote:

>

>

>

>>>you have ya purselane, in the south we have polk salad a real

>>>

>>>

>treat if

>

>

>>>you fix it right!!

>>>

>>>

>>What is polk. Pokeweed?

>>

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have familial high cholesterol and I faithfully avoided all the foods

that cause it -- including avoiding ALL eggs -- in an effort to lower my

HDL and raise my LDL (or is it the other way around?) for 2 full years.

It didn't work.

Then I got diabetes and started eating eggs - every other day, 2 for

breakfast. My cholesterol didn't change appreciably after 6 months of

eggs.

Finally I started taking Lipitor. That worked some but not enough. It

wasn't until I started taking Zetia in addition that my numbers came

down to where they should be.

Vicki

<<

Question is I thought eggs were bad for cholesterol? I already have

very high cholesterol and triglycirides, ( the tri has always been high,

way up in the 1000). So will the eggs make this go higher?

>>

RE: Re: low carb on a budget

> The best way to lower cholesterol IMHO is to go lower carb. It isn't

> really absorbed from the fat

> you eat, but the body creates it as a result of more carbs ingested

> than your body burns. The

> cholesterol myth is the longest standing fad diet in the history of

> mankind, and is based on bad

> reporting of research done in 1943.....

>

> --- Dances With Eagles wrote:

>

>> I like broccoli, cauliflower, some squash ( I planted acorn squash)

>> Some

>> yogurts, turkey bacon, eggs (which we have plenty of, we have

>> chickens and

>> ducks laying), and lots of fruits especially watermelon and

>> cantaloupe,

>> grapes. I have not eaten nor do I know how to prepare to eat Chinese

>> cabbage, and can't eat peppers and onions of any kind. Peppers I am

>> allergic too and onions tear my stomach up. I will get up an fix some

>> bacon

>> and eggs in the morning. Question is I thought eggs were bad for

>> cholesterol? I already have very high cholesterol and triglycirides,

>> ( the

>> tri has always been high, way up in the 1000). So will the eggs make

>> this

>> go higher?

>>

>> Kathleen

>>

[Guest guest]

Not a good idea to eat weeds -- even edible weeds -- on public property.

Often they've been sprayed with stuff you just don't want to eat.

When I first came to Oregon I was much taken by the wild blackberries

that grew alongside some of the highways and thought about pulling over

and picking 'em until someone pointed the above out to me.

Now, if you've raised the weeds yourself <g> that's a different matter,

smile.

Vicki

Re: low carb on a budget

>> How do you tell these from other weeds? I live outside the Denver

>> Metro

> Area

>> of Colorado.

>

> You can get books with pictures, or look on the Internet for pictures.

> Or

> ask friends and neighbors. If none of them know, ask the Extension

> office if

> they know people who know about edible plants.

>

> Gretchen

>