Re: Sleeping in separate beds

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Jim/Sher

There have been some very interesting studies on the topic as generally

couples try everything they can to continue to sleep in the same bed

even when they aren't sleeping well because of it. The problem is that

even though the studies point one way our emotional sides lead another.

I know the way I snore that no one should have to sleep beside me.

Before her CPAP, was a horrible bed partner. Yet, we wouldn't

have considered moving to separate beds when we were married.

Science says that we would be better off with no tv in the bedroom and

sleeping in separate beds or rooms (rooms vs. beds depends on snoring

and noises). We would enjoy any non sleep bed activity before or after,

including cuddling, but then we would separate and that would be the

clue to turn all lights off, stop all stimulation, and go to sleep.

Our emotions say we can't stand that idea.

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> Jim....what an awful situation for you and your wife to deal with. No

one wants to be the one to leave the bed! I can well understand, for

safety's sake, that you are sleeping elsewhere temporarily. There truly

could be a serious accidental injury as you mention has occurred.

> My sleep study was done due to my snoring and always being tired. I'd

get up and go lay down someplace else...foggy thinking...

> To my knowledge, if they don't get a 'reading' on the first study, you

go back. Yes, you may need to go back a few times but on the other hand

you may " perform " well. Every place is different Jim, you already know

that....a phone call will give you these answers.

> Have you tried sleeping with gloves on...good leather gloves are soft

and protective both. I can guess how this bothers you. And Eva. But at

least you are doing something about it.

> >>>>>Low sats during sleep: I had no idea I desat'd during sleep at

night. Monitor shows I do. Now that I'm using O2 at night I sleep better

and wake in the morning feeling better and during the day I have more

energy. Must be the nighttime O2. Nothing else has changed. In fact I

seldom use O2 during the day unless I'm exerting. Did walk the treadmill

today...got up to 2 mph for a few minutes and walked about 15 min total

but lesser mph. My sats stayed up pretty good on O2 but my heart sure

jumps around....up to 110. But I guess that's really ok.

> I hope your answers are soon forthcoming Jim! Until then, keep your

hands to yourself! lol

> Mama-Sher, age 69.IPF 3/06, NSIP 4/08 OR.

> Don't fret about tomorrow, God is already there!

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> O2 question

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> On second thought......the longer I think about this and consult with

the pros I'm becoming certain that this is not an oxygen issue.....I

actually wish it was. The problem is that I'm having violent dreams,

thrashing around in bed and really putting Eva in danger. Started about

a year ago but it was infrequent......maybe once a month or less. I'd

start moaning, and twitching, then start throwing punchs. I never

remember throwing the punch, don't remember the dreams, but I do vaguely

remember being in a fight. I actually hit Eva on the shoulder a few

months ago, hurt her, bruised her........then this past Friday night

began 3 nights of this crap.....Fri nite I squeezed her arm so hard that

my handprint is still there today. Sat nite I hit her on the top of the

head. Sunday nite I punched the head of the bed and damned near broke my

hand. So....some of you are wondering why the hell she puts up with

it.....why doesn't she kick me out of bed.....it's just not that simple,

this is an extraordinary woman. However I am sleeping in another bed

until this gets sorted out. Sunday I was a mess......I've worked mental

health for 22 years and there are a couple PhD clinicians here that are

excellent. Got together with them and an MD on Sunday. Got a full

physical yesterday. They don't know...........they believe it has

nothing to do with Eva but simply depends on which side on laying on at

the time. Left side....she gets it, right side it's the head of the bed,

a gun case (what? guns in the room with this moron??) a bedside stand

one time. We went back to when I finished cancer treatment and morphed

into the IPF. I had lots of horrible nightmares, recurring nightmares

about death, me dying, my funeral, violent scenarios. I got " shrunk " at

the time. Really a no brainer......I was seething with rage about what

was happening to me and awake I could keep a lid on it, asleep

........out it came. As I adjusted to the diagnosis they subsided. Now

this........this is really long winded.....the docs theorize that either

it's low sats, causing momentary panic, triggering a dream, etc, etc. or

low blood sugar. Eva says they usually happen around 2:30 or 3am, likely

when I'm coming out of the first, and deepest sleep on the way to the

1st REM. Well I was still up at 2am, stuck my finger....89...not low

blood sugar. Also I wore the O2 hose all night, which I don't ordinarily

do. I know, I know....I've read you folks talking about what your sats

do at night, but I sleep great.....figured it must be okay. At 5am,

while sucking the hose I did my twitch, moan dance. No pinchs, but it

was discouraging......sats were good. Tonight we have a machine from

inpatient at the hosp that monitors, records and prints my sats all

night. So, I'll sleep with no hose and we'll see..........jeez.....is

there a question there????? Does this ring any bells for anyone? I don't

suffer apnea. The next step is into Anchorage for a sleep study. I know

many of you have had sleep studies. Have these been related to apnea or

some other sleep disturbance? The sleep study is not without problems.

First, how do I know I can perform for them? Will I have to stay there

until I do?

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> Hey Bruce Buddy.....I'm countin' on you here..........this has to be

resolved. Separate beds will protect Eva but my hands can take only so

many wall strikes. I should say.......I am not a violent man, 2 actual

physical fights in 63 years. So this violent stuff is out of character.

Especially now, when retirement has made such a change in my stress

level, my disease has been stable for 8 months, maybe a year.

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> Now that I've told my life story.......5'10 " , 200, brn, brn, bat left

handed . I sure hope someone has an idea.. Ah yes........almost

forgot....did any of you experience symptoms during sleep, other than

apnea, as a result of low sats......I know....If I'm asleep how would I

know? You know what I mean.........thanx ahead of time.....

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> jim IPF 05

> alaska

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