Re:ASTMA

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 05 Jul 2002 21:50:00 +0200 son

<hjacobson@...> writes:

It's the combination of water and salt (to help the body utilize the

water) that does the trick.

I've been careful to use more salt in my meals and drink throughout the

day and it seems to keep the

mild asthma in check. No idea though if it will help when symptoms become

severe in summer (mold and

grass pollen allergy).

me: it had been my experience that people who do not find relief from the

water cure approach aren't drinking the water properly and certainly

aren't using the salt. They either drink the water too close before or

after meals, they aren't drinking enough, or they skipped the salt.

If anyone has suggestions for treating asthma, or experience with the

water-cure approach--all

suggestions welcome.

Me: On a raw/cooked combo diet, the watercure is a great approach. But my

primary approach has been with - dare I say it - mostly raw animal foods,

which has worked wonders. Incidentally, a nearly raw diet hydrates the

body, so Dr. B's underlying theory, holds up quite well even with the raw

food approach.

[Guest guest]

Hillary,

Even with people who have smoked for years I have never seen an

asthma case that did not involve a significant digestion and immune

system problem. Address those two and there should be very little

problem if any. I will however give the caveat here that it is not

always that simple, however even when its more complicated I have yet

to see a case of asthma that did not involve a significant digestive

issue which when left long enough especially with medication exposure

ultimately compromises the immune function also. Feel free to post

back to this list or email me anytime if you have any questions or

need clarification.

Sincerely,

Dr. Marasco,BS,DC

Cincinnati, Oh

[Guest guest]

Mark-

>Raw butter is available by mail.

True, and I'm looking into this, but on a low-carb diet, how on earth does

one consume raw butter? I can't spread it on muffins -- I can't tolerate

grains or even nut-based muffins.

>Other sources of raw fat are organic

>coconuts (really excellent fat)

I've been using Tropical Traditions' coconut oil, which is superb, and I

might well switch to Coconut Oil Supreme, which actually seems even better,

but again, how can one eat much of this raw? I've mostly been cooking with

it. When I try to eat it plain, well, let's just say it's not very

pleasant. <g>

>spicy beef

>pate; chicken pecan pate.

Boy, those sound good! Maybe I'll have to get that recipe book.

-

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

One way to eat raw butter is to butter all your veggies liberally. Yum!

Jill Nienhiser

-----Original Message-----

From: Idol [mailto:Idol@...]

Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:03 AM

Subject: Re: Re:ASTMA

Mark-

>Raw butter is available by mail.

True, and I'm looking into this, but on a low-carb diet, how on earth does

one consume raw butter? I can't spread it on muffins -- I can't tolerate

grains or even nut-based muffins.

>Other sources of raw fat are organic

>coconuts (really excellent fat)

I've been using Tropical Traditions' coconut oil, which is superb, and I

might well switch to Coconut Oil Supreme, which actually seems even better,

but again, how can one eat much of this raw? I've mostly been cooking with

it. When I try to eat it plain, well, let's just say it's not very

pleasant. <g>

>spicy beef

>pate; chicken pecan pate.

Boy, those sound good! Maybe I'll have to get that recipe book.

-

[Guest guest]

Please see my comments interspersed below. Best regards, -=mark=-

At 03:03 AM 2/27/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>Mark-

>

> >Raw butter is available by mail.

>

>True, and I'm looking into this, but on a low-carb diet, how on earth does

>one consume raw butter? I can't spread it on muffins -- I can't tolerate

>grains or even nut-based muffins.

It can be mixed with raw, unheated honey in a 3:1 (butter/honey) ratio and

eaten neat - with a spoon or as condiment to other raw foods. Butter can

be warmed at room temperature and then mixed into room temperature raw

ground meat. It can be patted onto a cut of meat with or without

marinade. A spoonful can be eaten with fruits. Have to think " outside the

box " of " bread and butter " . It could be warmed and mixed with carob powder

for a " chocolaty " treat.

> >Other sources of raw fat are organic

> >coconuts (really excellent fat)

>

>I've been using Tropical Traditions' coconut oil, which is superb, and I

>might well switch to Coconut Oil Supreme, which actually seems even better,

>but again, how can one eat much of this raw? I've mostly been cooking with

>it. When I try to eat it plain, well, let's just say it's not very

>pleasant. <g>

I use a GreenLife juicer. It is quite capable of juicing the coconut meat

from an organic coconut. (break it open, save the milk, pry out the meat,

dice it) We term the result " cream " because of the texture and

color. It's all raw, processed cold and full of wonderful fat/oils and

benefits (taste-wise) from a tiny bit of juiced, whole lime though it has a

fine flavor all on it's own. I also enjoy the coconut meat without juicing

it. The milk inside the coconut is not to be wasted either and it, too,

has excellent fats. I would not purchase a commercial coconut product

since I don't know absolutely at what temperature it was processed (and why

bother when I can make my own?).

> >spicy beef

> >pate; chicken pecan pate.

>

>Boy, those sound good! Maybe I'll have to get that recipe book.

Agreed - we are all waiting for that to be published... ;-)

>-

[Guest guest]

At 08:58 AM 2/27/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>One way to eat raw butter is to butter all your veggies liberally. Yum!

I can't provide a specific reference for this but I had heard that coating

the vegetables with oil of any type makes the vegetables less

digestible. Additionally mixing an oil (say cold-pressed olive) with raw

apple cider vinegar beforehand is recommended before putting that mix on a

salad (for the same reasons of digestibility). Somehow the RACV mix

helps. Anyone have more details on this?

-=mark=-

[Guest guest]

I've never heard that the oil makes vegetables LESS digestible, but I have

read (in NT and Atkins) that you MUST eat fat of some type with your

vegetables, or you won't be able to absorb the fat-soluble vitamins they

contain....the fat soluble vitamins need bile salts to be absorbed, and if

you don't eat any fat, no bile salts will be released.

So, if you eat a salad with fat-free dressing for example, the vitamins will

just go down the toilet.

Jill

-----Original Message-----

From: theta sigma [mailto:thetasig@...]

Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:12 PM

Subject: RE: Re:ASTMA

At 08:58 AM 2/27/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>One way to eat raw butter is to butter all your veggies liberally. Yum!

I can't provide a specific reference for this but I had heard that coating

the vegetables with oil of any type makes the vegetables less

digestible. Additionally mixing an oil (say cold-pressed olive) with raw

apple cider vinegar beforehand is recommended before putting that mix on a

salad (for the same reasons of digestibility). Somehow the RACV mix

helps. Anyone have more details on this?

-=mark=-

[Guest guest]

--- In @y..., " Jill Nienhiser " <jnienhiser@m...>

wrote:

> I've never heard that the oil makes vegetables LESS digestible, but

I have

> read (in NT and Atkins) that you MUST eat fat of some type with your

> vegetables, or you won't be able to absorb the fat-soluble vitamins

they

> contain....the fat soluble vitamins need bile salts to be absorbed,

and if

> you don't eat any fat, no bile salts will be released.

I believe the intent in recommending fat with vegetables was that

beta-carotene requires bile salts to converte it to Vitamin A. Butter

your green beans and you get more vitamin A from the carotenes.

There may be little (or no) preformed fat soluble vitamins already in

the vegetable. If eaten without oil, you can absorb the carotenes,

but they will have to rely on other mechanisms (perhaps not as

efficient) for conversion. Also, carotenes have their own functions

outside of precursing vit. A.

Portland, OR

[Guest guest]

Mark wrote:

> I can't provide a specific reference for this but I had heard that coating

> the vegetables with oil of any type makes the vegetables less

> digestible. Additionally mixing an oil (say cold-pressed olive) with raw

> apple cider vinegar beforehand is recommended before putting that mix on a

> salad (for the same reasons of digestibility). Somehow the RACV mix

> helps. Anyone have more details on this?

That's really interesting. That's the opposite of what i've generally

heard. I think that's also generally the opposite of what Sally writes in

NT. The various carotenoids are all supposed to be fat soluble, so fat is

supposedly required to be capable of absorbing them. That all probably

refers to cooked vegetables that have already had their cell walls broken

down though, it might be different for raw vegetables.

[Guest guest]

>> One way to eat raw butter is to butter all your veggies liberally.

Yum!

I also cook my kids' scrambled eggs in lots of butter and then top them

with a couple more pats and let it melt in.

~ Carma ~

To be perpetually talking sense runs out the mind, as perpetually

ploughing and taking crops runs out the land. The mind must be manured,

and nonsense is very good for the purpose. ~ Boswell

Carma's Corner: http://www.users.qwest.net/~carmapaden/

[Guest guest]

,

My parents also exposed me to a lot of smoke when I was a child, and I had

allergic reactions as

well (my father says I wheezed as a young child), developing asthma in my early

twenties, though

usually only in summer.

Since doing antibiotics for Lyme I have mild asthma throughout winter as well.

Doing the

water-cure protocol helped: drink two glasses of water, and then put a pinch of

salt on your tongue.

The salt is said to send a signal to the brain that everything is ok--according

to the doctor who

developed the protocol--Dr.F. Batmanghelidj. The tightness in my lungs

immediately disappeared.

It's the combination of water and salt (to help the body utilize the water)

that does the trick.

I've been careful to use more salt in my meals and drink throughout the day and

it seems to keep the

mild asthma in check. No idea though if it will help when symptoms become severe

in summer (mold and

grass pollen allergy).

If anyone has suggestions for treating asthma, or experience with the

water-cure approach--all

suggestions welcome.

>You both seem to be suffering from DEHYDRATION and the

>accumulated toxins/poisons as a result.

I have read the interview, and I'm drinking more water as a result, but my

asthma resulted from

being exposed to a lot of second-hand smoke as a young child -- my mother smoked

heavily, and during

that period I often had near-fatal attacks until she finally was able to quit.