Re: re: paradox of parasites

[Guest guest]

This is just silly. Newborn animals get worms while they are happily nursing on

their mothers milk. Stress? Poor nutrition? Besides, I don't think anyone was

talking about fleas (although fleas CAN be fatal!!!) Parasites ALTER THE IMMUNE

SYSTEM OF THE HOST- they don't just go away if the host starts out healthy.

Your dog has never had worms? You can't be serious! Has she ever been tested?

Care to post her veterinary records ?

Please folks, think before you make misleading statements. There are tens of

thousands of parasites. Using raw foods of any kind is a risk vs. reward

judgement. Lets not turn it into the sort of cult philosophy that will ensure no

one has the freedom to make that judgement.

Rose

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Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 9:18 AM

Subject: re: paradox of parasites

hi, paula--

<What about animals? I know my sister debugs herself two times a year and does

the dogs at the same time. Her dogs are in the house and with her and her

daughter all the time.>

wendy volhard, in her _holistic guide for a healthy dog_, says that parasites

will not stay on/in an healthy host. (i don't have the exact quote or her

references; i accidentally left the bk in NC.) delilah, who used to be infested

w/fleas, no longer has them since i've been feeding her BARF (bones and raw

food/biologically appropriate raw food), nigh on 3 yrs now. when we moved here

mid-jan, i found one flea, but i attribute that to the stress of the move: she

hasn't had any more. and lest you think that she is simply not exposed to them:

delilah goes trekking with me through woods and fields and lakes. and her

friends have fleas. and the ones that don't are taking some internal pesticide.

last yr, i took a deep breath, looked over my shoulder to make sure that no

one could see us, and let her have fresh roadkill (squirrel). she's had at least

4 in the past 6mos and has *never* had worms. a few mos ago, she ate a bird,

dead for over a month and riddled w/maggots. no health problems. and i still let

her share my bed.

btw, for diet, i recommend kymythy schultze's _natural nutrition for dogs and

cats_, available at the price-pottenger nutrition foundation, rather than

volhard's _holistic guide_ .

allene and delilah jane in SC

i aspire to eat more RAF, but i think that i'll leave the roadkill to liley

<g>.

[Guest guest]

See, I told you, just ignore me. writes with a grace and

gentleness that puts me to shame :-)

Onward and Upward on our quest for knowledge !! And tell the Doc (that's

me) to go to hell!

Bianca :-)

On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:08:21 -0000 " sraosha87 " <sraosha@...>

writes:

--- In @y..., " RedWineRedRoses " <redwineredroses@e...>

> BTW - that 4,000 year old " iceman " found in Italy several years ago,

died of worms. Wasn't he on an ancient diet?

Was the cause of death definitively attributed to worms? He did have

them. He also was travelling, had had broken bones (osteoporosis from

grain eating), and may have injured himself, couldn't go on, and

succumbed to the cold. He was on a neolithic diet that included

grains which, I contend, we are not biologically well adapted to eat.

His biology will have had at most 300 generations to adapt.

Aren't parasites present in unhealthy bodies which become that way

either through intoxication or undernutrition (malnutrition)? Aren't

parasites observed in wild animals only when they are suffering from

starvation (undernutrition) which does happen given the

unpredictability of the food supply?

Portland, OR

[Guest guest]

No actually you might want to check your facts again. Or maybe use an objective

source? He hemmoraged to death from a chronic parasitic infection. In fact he

was carrying a satchel of herbs to fight the parasites.

I can't even imagine why you would think wild animals only get parasites when

they are starving. Carnivores generally contract roundworms the first time they

touch mouth to their mothers teat. You have demodectic mange mites in your

eyebrows right now. Are you starving? But of course you remain free to hold

whatever opinion you may have. It's not my job to educate you. I was just trying

to be helpful.

Rose

----- Original Message -----

From: sraosha87

Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 2:08 PM

Subject: Re: paradox of parasites

--- In @y..., " RedWineRedRoses " <redwineredroses@e...>

> BTW - that 4,000 year old " iceman " found in Italy several years ago,

died of worms. Wasn't he on an ancient diet?

Was the cause of death definitively attributed to worms? He did have

them. He also was travelling, had had broken bones (osteoporosis from

grain eating), and may have injured himself, couldn't go on, and

succumbed to the cold. He was on a neolithic diet that included

grains which, I contend, we are not biologically well adapted to eat.

His biology will have had at most 300 generations to adapt.

Aren't parasites present in unhealthy bodies which become that way

either through intoxication or undernutrition (malnutrition)? Aren't

parasites observed in wild animals only when they are suffering from

starvation (undernutrition) which does happen given the

unpredictability of the food supply?

Portland, OR