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>Anyone know if it's possible to get exclusively Guernsey milk and or dairy

>products in the NY, NJ, PA, area?

I have no idea -- so far, I've only found Holstein and a little

Jersey. How come you prefer Guernsey?

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I read that the casein is different than from other cows milk, more tolerable,

more betacarotene and other nutrients, seems to in general be higher quality,

high fat, milk. It might be a better choice of milk for the casein sensitive, I

would want to see if my son would not react to Guernsey milk, that is my

ultimate interest.

This is an article about Guernsey milk and casein.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1268000/1268481.stm

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I have no idea -- so far, I've only found Holstein and a little

Jersey. How come you prefer Guernsey?

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--- saral <vze2cfw8@...> wrote:

> I read that the casein is different than from other

> cows milk,

> This is an article about Guernsey milk and casein.

>

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1268000/1268481.stm

Sara, that's fascinating. Do you have any other links

about this?

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Sara-

> I read that the casein is different than from other cows milk, more

> tolerable, more betacarotene and other nutrients, seems to in general be

> higher quality, high fat, milk. It might be a better choice of milk for

> the casein sensitive, I would want to see if my son would not react to

> Guernsey milk, that is my ultimate interest.

I'm somewhat skeptical about this -- did healthy traditional cultures which

consumed dairy use only Guernsey cows and goats? Or is casein a red herring?

Also, isn't Jersey milk higher in fat than Guernsey?

To be sure, there are a few people who are genuinely casein-sensitive, and

perhaps those people would do better with Guernsey milk, but my

understanding is that those people are very, very rare, and most who seem

to have a casein problem actually have other digestive difficulties, need

to switch to pastured meat and dairy, etc.

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Seems that the article Sara mentioned describes problems with a certain

TYPE of casein (the A1 type, rather than the A2 type), found in milks from

other than Guernseys.

I'm with Dennis on this one: why is it that the main proponent of this

theory ( " the wonders of type A2 casein " ) also happens to work for the A2

Corporation, who plans to profit from this theory??

I'd also say that it'd be an awfully funny thing if we'd have to call all

worldwide milks other than Guernsey milks " bad for us " .

Idol

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Sara-

> I read that the casein is different than from other cows milk, more

> tolerable, more betacarotene and other nutrients, seems to in general be

> higher quality, high fat, milk. It might be a better choice of milk for

> the casein sensitive, I would want to see if my son would not react to

> Guernsey milk, that is my ultimate interest.

I'm somewhat skeptical about this -- did healthy traditional cultures which

consumed dairy use only Guernsey cows and goats? Or is casein a red

herring?

Also, isn't Jersey milk higher in fat than Guernsey?

To be sure, there are a few people who are genuinely casein-sensitive, and

perhaps those people would do better with Guernsey milk, but my

understanding is that those people are very, very rare, and most who seem

to have a casein problem actually have other digestive difficulties, need

to switch to pastured meat and dairy, etc.

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> Also, isn't Jersey milk higher in fat than Guernsey?

Apparently (to my surprise) Jerseys *do* average more milkfat than

Guernseys...

Guernseys do have a higher beta carotene content in their milk, but that

makes me wonder if they're just less efficient at converting it to true

vitamin A. I'd be really curious to see a full nutritional comparison...

USDA-DHIA Herd Summary, 1991

Table 9. Breed Average for Milk & Fat Percent

Milk Fat %

Ayrshire 13,897 3.93

Guernsey 12,737 4.54

Holstein 18,254 3.66

Jersey 12,489 4.76

Brown Swiss 14,526 4.02

Milking Shorthorn 13,455 3.68

( excerpted from http://www.ces.uga.edu/pubcd/B836-W.HTML#Genetic )

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>Guernseys do have a higher beta carotene content in their milk, but that

>makes me wonder if they're just less efficient at converting it to true

>vitamin A. I'd be really curious to see a full nutritional comparison...

I wasn't able to find any hard figures, but I did find numerous statements

to the effect that Guernsey and Jersey cows are less able to convert

carotenes to vitamin A than other breeds like Holsteins, leading to their

yellower color. Nonetheless, I'll stick to the fat content as my guide, at

least for now, and seek Jersey milk and cream when I can.

I'm awfully surprised there aren't complete nutritional comparisons more

readily available.

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--- Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> I'm awfully surprised there aren't complete

> nutritional comparisons more

> readily available.

This is why I found the story interesting, because of

the apparent lack of studies comparing the composition

of milk from different breeds of cows, beyond the

usual total fat and protein percentages. I don't buy

the heart disease link based on such basic comparisons

as were made in the article. I'd like to see studies

done on different breeds grazing the same pasture,

with a complete nutritional analysis. I won't hold my

breath.

Aubin

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I disagree that there are only a rare few casein sensitive people. I think

historically people ate whatever they wished and did not react to foods because

they weren't vaccinated, therefore their immune systems were not assaulted at a

young age, they were eating foods with beneficial bacteria, fruits and

vegetables were " organic " , In the second half of this century our bodies have

been so denatured (vaccination, antibiotics, drugs, mercury, environmental

toxins)that our immune systems attack anything. Therefore many people have

intolerance to many foods that historically were good for us. Not only that, but

our bodies may now not even have the necessary enzymes to digest all types of

food. And no amount of pastured meat and dairy is going to change that. For

example, there is a theory that autistic children lack an enzyme called DPPIV.

This is a key enzyme for metabolizing casomorphin, so far no one knows if that

enzyme is missing, or rendered useless from an autoimmune process, or something

else. It would be of great significance to those incapable of metabolizing

casomorphin if Guernsey cows or goats had a different type of casein that does

not end up as a casomorphin.

I sited the article not for the heart disease aspect which I agree is probably

not significant, but for the aspect of different types of casein. And this was

verified by other articles I 've read on Medline. It would be wonderful if

returning to native living and eating would cure everything, but the fact is

some people will still always need to be careful about either allergies or

severe intolerances.

Sara

----- I'm somewhat skeptical about this -- did healthy traditional cultures

which

consumed dairy use only Guernsey cows and goats? Or is casein a red

herring?

Also, isn't Jersey milk higher in fat than Guernsey?

To be sure, there are a few people who are genuinely casein-sensitive, and

perhaps those people would do better with Guernsey milk, but my

understanding is that those people are very, very rare, and most who seem

to have a casein problem actually have other digestive difficulties, need

to switch to pastured meat and dairy, etc.

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On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:56:09 -0500 " saral " <vze2cfw8@...> writes:

I disagree that there are only a rare few casein sensitive people.

ME: If this is true in your case, have you tried grass fed goat milk, or

does this not work as well?

I think historically people ate whatever they wished and did not react to

foods because they weren't vaccinated, therefore their immune systems

were not assaulted at a young age, they were eating foods with beneficial

bacteria, fruits and vegetables were " organic " , In the second half of

this century our bodies have been so denatured (vaccination, antibiotics,

drugs, mercury, environmental toxins)that our immune systems attack

anything. Therefore many people have intolerance to many foods that

historically were good for us.

ME: This may be true, but I have worked with numbers of people who could

not tolerate many foods in their cooked state and put them on a diet very

high in raw animal foods and they did just fine.

Not only that, but our bodies may now not even have the necessary enzymes

to digest all types of food. And no amount of pastured meat and dairy is

going to change that.

ME: Quite true that many enzymes are depleted but raw foods provide their

own enzymes for digestion. For example, avocados, which are high in fat,

are also high in lipase, which is necessary to digest fat. So, in the

right form, pastured meat and dairy will give your body an enzyme

holiday, making it possible to utilize the various nutrients.

For example, there is a theory that autistic children lack an enzyme

called DPPIV. This is a key enzyme for metabolizing casomorphin, so far

no one knows if that enzyme is missing, or rendered useless from an

autoimmune process, or something else. It would be of great significance

to those incapable of metabolizing casomorphin if Guernsey cows or goats

had a different type of casein that does not end up as a casomorphin.

I sited the article not for the heart disease aspect which I agree is

probably not significant, but for the aspect of different types of

casein. And this was verified by other articles I 've read on Medline. It

would be wonderful if returning to native living and eating would cure

everything, but the fact is some people will still always need to be

careful about either allergies or severe intolerances.

Sara

ME: Again, that all depends on how " native living and eating " is applied.

Bianca

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