Guest guest Posted March 9, 2002 Report Share Posted March 9, 2002 Alec- >Dr. Mercola in general >follows the recommendations of Weston A Price except in one area. He >seems to be very anti dairy of any kind. What are your feelings about >dairy products? I get Mercola's newsletter too, and it's very valuable, but I go with Price on this one... as long as you can get grass-fed dairy. Years ago I had to swear off dairy, or so I thought, because it made my asthma go nuts, but then recently, once I came across the WAP site and learned about the importance of pasturing, I found out that I can eat and drink all the dairy I want as long as it's from grass-fed cows. It's become an important part of my diet, mostly in the form of yoghurt and kefir, and I feel better for having it. I'm kind of surprised that Mercola has learned about the importance of pastured beef but doesn't put two and two together and realize that raw, grass-fed dairy is just as different from store-bought as grass-fed beef is from grain-fed. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2002 Report Share Posted March 9, 2002 , I'm sure this is a neophyte type question, but what do grass fed cows eat in the winter? I'm curious because we are going to be getting a cow this summer and I want to feed her the right stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: Idol Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 4:24 PM Subject: Re: Dairy or Not? Alec- >Dr. Mercola in general >follows the recommendations of Weston A Price except in one area. He >seems to be very anti dairy of any kind. What are your feelings about >dairy products? I get Mercola's newsletter too, and it's very valuable, but I go with Price on this one... as long as you can get grass-fed dairy. Years ago I had to swear off dairy, or so I thought, because it made my asthma go nuts, but then recently, once I came across the WAP site and learned about the importance of pasturing, I found out that I can eat and drink all the dairy I want as long as it's from grass-fed cows. It's become an important part of my diet, mostly in the form of yoghurt and kefir, and I feel better for having it. I'm kind of surprised that Mercola has learned about the importance of pastured beef but doesn't put two and two together and realize that raw, grass-fed dairy is just as different from store-bought as grass-fed beef is from grain-fed. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2002 Report Share Posted March 9, 2002 - >I'm sure this is a neophyte type question, but what do grass fed cows eat >in the winter? I'm curious because we are going to be getting a cow this >summer and I want to feed her the right stuff. I'm no kind of farmer, so I'm sure there are MUCH more authoritative sources on this, but from what I've read, hay, grass sileage, and root vegetables are the proper winter feed for cows, plus whatever grass might be available. (The milk, cream and butter I'm getting now are from cows fed only hay during the winter, so it is possible to avoid grains even then.) - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 , I'm concerned after hearing about your venture. We have farmers in the family, and it is a LOT of work from morning to night, and even more so if you don't know how to do it. Couldn't you go to live on someone else's farm and help out for a season or two to learn about it? J. Conway schrieb: > > , > > I'm sure this is a neophyte type question, but what do grass fed cows eat in the winter? I'm curious because we are going to be getting a cow this summer and I want to feed her the right stuff. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Idol > > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: Dairy or Not? > > Alec- > > >Dr. Mercola in general > >follows the recommendations of Weston A Price except in one area. He > >seems to be very anti dairy of any kind. What are your feelings about > >dairy products? > > I get Mercola's newsletter too, and it's very valuable, but I go with Price > on this one... as long as you can get grass-fed dairy. Years ago I had to > swear off dairy, or so I thought, because it made my asthma go nuts, but > then recently, once I came across the WAP site and learned about the > importance of pasturing, I found out that I can eat and drink all the dairy > I want as long as it's from grass-fed cows. It's become an important part > of my diet, mostly in the form of yoghurt and kefir, and I feel better for > having it. > > I'm kind of surprised that Mercola has learned about the importance of > pastured beef but doesn't put two and two together and realize that raw, > grass-fed dairy is just as different from store-bought as grass-fed beef is > from grain-fed. > > - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 , Thanks for your post. I know I sound like an idiot. I have three children, 7, 6, and 3. I doubt anyone would take us for a " season " even if my husband would agree, which he wouldn't. The approach we are taking is one step at a time. We are going to get chickens first. And get comfortable with that routine, then move on to something else. I'm very eager to get a cow, however, because I currently drive 12 miles to get my raw milk. To some that may not seem bad but its become a problem here. I will start the garden this year to the best of my ability but I don't expect to have really great produce for a few years. The soil looks fantastic, however, so I may be surprised. Anyhow, we're going to jump in and just do the best we can. If it fails miserably then the grocery store is just down the road and we will surely have learned something, at least. Again, thanks for your concern. I hope we are doing the right thing. ----- Original Message ----- From: son Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 1:34 AM Subject: Re: Dairy or Not? , I'm concerned after hearing about your venture. We have farmers in the family, and it is a LOT of work from morning to night, and even more so if you don't know how to do it. Couldn't you go to live on someone else's farm and help out for a season or two to learn about it? J. Conway schrieb: > > , > > I'm sure this is a neophyte type question, but what do grass fed cows eat in the winter? I'm curious because we are going to be getting a cow this summer and I want to feed her the right stuff. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Idol > > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: Dairy or Not? > > Alec- > > >Dr. Mercola in general > >follows the recommendations of Weston A Price except in one area. He > >seems to be very anti dairy of any kind. What are your feelings about > >dairy products? > > I get Mercola's newsletter too, and it's very valuable, but I go with Price > on this one... as long as you can get grass-fed dairy. Years ago I had to > swear off dairy, or so I thought, because it made my asthma go nuts, but > then recently, once I came across the WAP site and learned about the > importance of pasturing, I found out that I can eat and drink all the dairy > I want as long as it's from grass-fed cows. It's become an important part > of my diet, mostly in the form of yoghurt and kefir, and I feel better for > having it. > > I'm kind of surprised that Mercola has learned about the importance of > pastured beef but doesn't put two and two together and realize that raw, > grass-fed dairy is just as different from store-bought as grass-fed beef is > from grain-fed. > > - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2002 Report Share Posted March 10, 2002 I'm sure people here will give you good reading tips and tips from personal experience. I have four kids, and I found gardening when they were young very difficult--though healing, of course. Good luck! J. Conway schrieb: > > , > > Thanks for your post. I know I sound like an idiot. I have three children, 7, 6, and 3. I doubt anyone would take us for a " season " even if my husband would agree, which he wouldn't. The approach we are taking is one step at a time. We are going to get chickens first. And get comfortable with that routine, then move on to something else. I'm very eager to get a cow, however, because I currently drive 12 miles to get my raw milk. To some that may not seem bad but its become a problem here. I will start the garden this year to the best of my ability but I don't expect to have really great produce for a few years. The soil looks fantastic, however, so I may be surprised. Anyhow, we're going to jump in and just do the best we can. If it fails miserably then the grocery store is just down the road and we will surely have learned something, at least. Again, thanks for your concern. I hope we are doing the right thing. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: son > > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 1:34 AM > Subject: Re: Dairy or Not? > > , I'm concerned after hearing about your venture. We have farmers in the family, and it is a > LOT of work from morning to night, and even more so if you don't know how to do it. Couldn't you go > to live on someone else's farm and help out for a season or two to learn about it? > > J. > > Conway schrieb: > > > > , > > > > I'm sure this is a neophyte type question, but what do grass fed cows eat in the winter? I'm curious because we are going to be getting a cow this summer and I want to feed her the right stuff. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Idol > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 4:24 PM > > Subject: Re: Dairy or Not? > > > > Alec- > > > > >Dr. Mercola in general > > >follows the recommendations of Weston A Price except in one area. He > > >seems to be very anti dairy of any kind. What are your feelings about > > >dairy products? > > > > I get Mercola's newsletter too, and it's very valuable, but I go with Price > > on this one... as long as you can get grass-fed dairy. Years ago I had to > > swear off dairy, or so I thought, because it made my asthma go nuts, but > > then recently, once I came across the WAP site and learned about the > > importance of pasturing, I found out that I can eat and drink all the dairy > > I want as long as it's from grass-fed cows. It's become an important part > > of my diet, mostly in the form of yoghurt and kefir, and I feel better for > > having it. > > > > I'm kind of surprised that Mercola has learned about the importance of > > pastured beef but doesn't put two and two together and realize that raw, > > grass-fed dairy is just as different from store-bought as grass-fed beef is > > from grain-fed. > > > > - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 Hi We feed stored hay to our herd in the winter. No grain. They seem to do quite nicely. I would also like to throw out a word of caution. Don't get me wrong I think it is great to have your own cow. But there are a few things to consider. Do you have enough feed? Some areas of the country require from 1 to 3 acres of grass to feed a cow for 5 to 6 months. Some areas require from 20 to 50. If your cow has a calf (which seems to be the way nature works) the calf will eat too. You will also need to get your cow close to a boyfriend sometime through out the year and you need to know when to do this. What kind of fences do you have? Good fences make good neighbors. Some areas of the country require good shelter in the winter. A lactating cow can frostbite her teats. This tends to change their mind about the importance of their making milk for your family. Have you milked a cow before? There are things you need to know there to avoid such things as mastitis. I'm not trying to scare anyone away from owning their own cow however they are not a dog and require much more work then a pet. They are a huge responsibility and sometimes it is best left up to the folks that have made dairying to grass-fed way their profession. I said my piece and yet I will help anyone in any way if possible if you still are considering a house cow. Just email me and I will do my best. Conway wrote: > , > > I'm sure this is a neophyte type question, but what do grass fed cows eat in the winter? I'm curious because we are going to be getting a cow this summer and I want to feed her the right stuff. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Idol > > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: Dairy or Not? > > Alec- > > >Dr. Mercola in general > >follows the recommendations of Weston A Price except in one area. He > >seems to be very anti dairy of any kind. What are your feelings about > >dairy products? > > I get Mercola's newsletter too, and it's very valuable, but I go with Price > on this one... as long as you can get grass-fed dairy. Years ago I had to > swear off dairy, or so I thought, because it made my asthma go nuts, but > then recently, once I came across the WAP site and learned about the > importance of pasturing, I found out that I can eat and drink all the dairy > I want as long as it's from grass-fed cows. It's become an important part > of my diet, mostly in the form of yoghurt and kefir, and I feel better for > having it. > > I'm kind of surprised that Mercola has learned about the importance of > pastured beef but doesn't put two and two together and realize that raw, > grass-fed dairy is just as different from store-bought as grass-fed beef is > from grain-fed. > > - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 --- alecwood <me@...> wrote: > I am a frequent reader of www.mercola.com. Dr. > Mercola in general > follows the recommendations of Weston A Price except > in one area. He > seems to be very anti dairy of any kind. What are > your feelings about > dairy products? I think most dairy products in the grocery store aren't good food, but raw and/or cultured dairy from healthy animals preferably eating their natural diet is wonderful, for those who are not allergic to milk or lactose intolerant, especially for those whose ancestors for thousands of years back used dairy as a significant portion of their diet. Have you read www.realmilk.com/ ? There's a lot of info there that counters the anti-dairy crowd. The vast majority of commercial dairy cows are kept in very unnatural conditions (confined in small areas, fed things that force high milk production but destroy their health, sometimes injected with hormones) and have been bred for many generations solely to produce huge quantities of milk with no regard for quality. It stands to reason they would not produce a healthful food, and then that food is further mutilated by the processing. So, I say yes to dairy, with qualifications. Aubin __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 --- kelly bruns <kjbruns@...> wrote: >. They are a huge > responsibility and sometimes it is best left up to > the folks that have made dairying to grass-fed way > their profession. I'm not , but as you know , I'm also planning to get a house cow. How I wish there were more grass-fed local dairies! I would prefer to leave it up to a professional, but I've only been able to locate ONE grassfed cow (one animal, not one herd) whose owner will sell some milk within a 50 mile radius of my home, and when I spoke with that cow owner the milk was already all spoken for. There must be others, but I haven't found them. It's so frustrating! It's such an ordeal sometimes to find real food, unless you produce it yourself. Aubin __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 Thanks ! I really appreciate any insight anyone can give me. The place that we bought was used for cattle before we got it. It has a cow barn and nice, plentiful pastures. As far as a boyfriend, I think we will bring him in a syringe. I don't really want to mess with a bull. The man I will buy my cow (Jersey) from is currently my source for raw milk and I have been learning as much as I can from him each time I go. I know its a huge responsibility but I think we are up for the challenge. I also homeschool so I think it will be a great addition to our learning experience. If you have anymore thoughts please pass them on. I'm grateful, never offended. Moooooooooo, ----- Original Message ----- From: kelly bruns Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Dairy or Not? Hi We feed stored hay to our herd in the winter. No grain. They seem to do quite nicely. I would also like to throw out a word of caution. Don't get me wrong I think it is great to have your own cow. But there are a few things to consider. Do you have enough feed? Some areas of the country require from 1 to 3 acres of grass to feed a cow for 5 to 6 months. Some areas require from 20 to 50. If your cow has a calf (which seems to be the way nature works) the calf will eat too. You will also need to get your cow close to a boyfriend sometime through out the year and you need to know when to do this. What kind of fences do you have? Good fences make good neighbors. Some areas of the country require good shelter in the winter. A lactating cow can frostbite her teats. This tends to change their mind about the importance of their making milk for your family. Have you milked a cow before? There are things you need to know there to avoid such things as mastitis. I'm not trying to scare anyone away from owning their own cow however they are not a dog and require much more work then a pet. They are a huge responsibility and sometimes it is best left up to the folks that have made dairying to grass-fed way their profession. I said my piece and yet I will help anyone in any way if possible if you still are considering a house cow. Just email me and I will do my best. Conway wrote: > , > > I'm sure this is a neophyte type question, but what do grass fed cows eat in the winter? I'm curious because we are going to be getting a cow this summer and I want to feed her the right stuff. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Idol > > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: Dairy or Not? > > Alec- > > >Dr. Mercola in general > >follows the recommendations of Weston A Price except in one area. He > >seems to be very anti dairy of any kind. What are your feelings about > >dairy products? > > I get Mercola's newsletter too, and it's very valuable, but I go with Price > on this one... as long as you can get grass-fed dairy. Years ago I had to > swear off dairy, or so I thought, because it made my asthma go nuts, but > then recently, once I came across the WAP site and learned about the > importance of pasturing, I found out that I can eat and drink all the dairy > I want as long as it's from grass-fed cows. It's become an important part > of my diet, mostly in the form of yoghurt and kefir, and I feel better for > having it. > > I'm kind of surprised that Mercola has learned about the importance of > pastured beef but doesn't put two and two together and realize that raw, > grass-fed dairy is just as different from store-bought as grass-fed beef is > from grain-fed. > > - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2002 Report Share Posted March 12, 2002 Hi Aubin I agree with you 100%. I just want folks to understand what they are getting into. I hate to see cows mistreated because somebody doesn't know how to take care of them. Aubin Parrish wrote: > --- kelly bruns <kjbruns@...> wrote: > >. They are a huge > > responsibility and sometimes it is best left up to > > the folks that have made dairying to grass-fed way > > their profession. > > I'm not , but as you know , I'm also > planning to get a house cow. How I wish there were > more grass-fed local dairies! I would prefer to leave > it up to a professional, but I've only been able to > locate ONE grassfed cow (one animal, not one herd) > whose owner will sell some milk within a 50 mile > radius of my home, and when I spoke with that cow > owner the milk was already all spoken for. There must > be others, but I haven't found them. It's so > frustrating! It's such an ordeal sometimes to find > real food, unless you produce it yourself. > > Aubin > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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