Re: Fwd: VAL - timing of Isocort for my son

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Will he have tyo get up earlier for school? If so THEN he needs to

starty dosing for the AM. I answered your first post wiht a quesiton.

Did he the day before the labs and day after or rather was he USED to

sleeping till noon when he did the saliva labs? Doesn;t matter if he got

up THAT day but what sleep schedule was his body used to then?

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Morning Val

I did answer your question yesterday Val, did that post not come through? I will

NEVER change ISP again lol.

He is used to sleeping till noon or even a bit later. It is 11.35 here now and

he is still asleep. He was watching a DVD when I went to bed at 1 am. Went out

for meal only to come home and find Blondie had peed all over my bed, that was

why I was up so late, changing the bed etc.

The day he did the labs he had to get up anyway because he had to be in class at

9 am so he did the tests at the correct times.

Monday he has to be in college at 9 am and SOMETIMES one other day in the week,

so yes, usually about twice a week he has to be up about 8 am, the collge is

just around the corner sono travelling involved to get there.

His body has been used to this late rising sleep schedule and late going to

sleep for almost a couple of years now. He is in his second year at university.

Looking back, I remember noticing when I gave up working full-tine (9-5), some

25 years ago, my body immediately went into a rhythm of waking 10 or 11 and

wanting to sleep about 1-2 am. Little did I know then the cause.

Thanks Val.

Mo

Will he have tyo get up earlier for school? If so THEN he needs to

starty dosing for the AM. I answered your first post wiht a quesiton.

Did he the day before the labs and day after or rather was he USED to

sleeping till noon when he did the saliva labs? Doesn;t matter if he got

up THAT day but what sleep schedule was his body used to then?

Re: Fwd: VAL - timing of Isocort for my son

Will he have tyo get up earlier for school? If so THEN he needs to

starty dosing for the AM. I answered your first post wiht a quesiton.

Did he the day before the labs and day after or rather was he USED to

sleeping till noon when he did the saliva labs? Doesn;t matter if he got

up THAT day but what sleep schedule was his body used to then?

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Then his NOON saliva lab should be looked at as 8AM. That is when his

body is used to waking up and thus when he will have the highest cortisl

of the day. Thsi si good news as it makes his abs not as bad as they

might have been. It is OK if MOST days he CAN sleep that late to start

the Isocort then. But he can expect on days he needs ot get up early to

be very tired as his body thinks it is the middle of the night. Cna;t

have it both ways. This si why a swing working shift that changes every

few months is a known adrenal destroyer.

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Then his NOON saliva lab should be looked at as 8AM. That is when his

body is used to waking up and thus when he will have the highest cortisl

of the day. Thsi si good news as it makes his abs not as bad as they

might have been. It is OK if MOST days he CAN sleep that late to start

the Isocort then. But he can expect on days he needs ot get up early to

be very tired as his body thinks it is the middle of the night. Cna;t

have it both ways. This si why a swing working shift that changes every

few months is a known adrenal destroyer.

So I am wrong in advising him to get up earlier every day? and taking his

morning dose in the MORNING?

My own labs showed highest coritsol at noon also and to this day that is when I

feel my best.

And when I had my labs done i used to get up about 10/11 am. So my low 8 am

cortisol was not relevant either?

Thanks.

Mo

Re: Fwd: VAL - timing of Isocort for my son

Then his NOON saliva lab should be looked at as 8AM. That is when his

body is used to waking up and thus when he will have the highest cortisl

of the day. Thsi si good news as it makes his abs not as bad as they

might have been. It is OK if MOST days he CAN sleep that late to start

the Isocort then. But he can expect on days he needs ot get up early to

be very tired as his body thinks it is the middle of the night. Cna;t

have it both ways. This si why a swing working shift that changes every

few months is a known adrenal destroyer.

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Then his NOON saliva lab should be looked at as 8AM. That is when his

body is used to waking up and thus when he will have the highest cortisl

of the day. Thsi si good news as it makes his abs not as bad as they

might have been. It is OK if MOST days he CAN sleep that late to start

the Isocort then. But he can expect on days he needs ot get up early to

be very tired as his body thinks it is the middle of the night. Cna;t

have it both ways. This si why a swing working shift that changes every

few months is a known adrenal destroyer.

So I am wrong in advising him to get up earlier every day? and taking his

morning dose in the MORNING?

My own labs showed highest coritsol at noon also and to this day that is when I

feel my best.

And when I had my labs done i used to get up about 10/11 am. So my low 8 am

cortisol was not relevant either?

Thanks.

Mo

Re: Fwd: VAL - timing of Isocort for my son

Then his NOON saliva lab should be looked at as 8AM. That is when his

body is used to waking up and thus when he will have the highest cortisl

of the day. Thsi si good news as it makes his abs not as bad as they

might have been. It is OK if MOST days he CAN sleep that late to start

the Isocort then. But he can expect on days he needs ot get up early to

be very tired as his body thinks it is the middle of the night. Cna;t

have it both ways. This si why a swing working shift that changes every

few months is a known adrenal destroyer.

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Then his NOON saliva lab should be looked at as 8AM. That is when his

body is used to waking up and thus when he will have the highest cortisl

of the day. Thsi si good news as it makes his abs not as bad as they

might have been. It is OK if MOST days he CAN sleep that late to start

the Isocort then. But he can expect on days he needs ot get up early to

be very tired as his body thinks it is the middle of the night. Cna;t

have it both ways. This si why a swing working shift that changes every

few months is a known adrenal destroyer.

So I am wrong in advising him to get up earlier every day? and taking his

morning dose in the MORNING?

My own labs showed highest coritsol at noon also and to this day that is when I

feel my best.

And when I had my labs done i used to get up about 10/11 am. So my low 8 am

cortisol was not relevant either?

Thanks.

Mo

Re: Fwd: VAL - timing of Isocort for my son

Then his NOON saliva lab should be looked at as 8AM. That is when his

body is used to waking up and thus when he will have the highest cortisl

of the day. Thsi si good news as it makes his abs not as bad as they

might have been. It is OK if MOST days he CAN sleep that late to start

the Isocort then. But he can expect on days he needs ot get up early to

be very tired as his body thinks it is the middle of the night. Cna;t

have it both ways. This si why a swing working shift that changes every

few months is a known adrenal destroyer.

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Then his NOON saliva lab should be looked at as 8AM. That is when his

body is used to waking up and thus when he will have the highest cortisl

of the day. Thsi si good news as it makes his abs not as bad as they

might have been. It is OK if MOST days he CAN sleep that late to start

the Isocort then. But he can expect on days he needs ot get up early to

be very tired as his body thinks it is the middle of the night. Cna;t

have it both ways. This si why a swing working shift that changes every

few months is a known adrenal destroyer.

So I am wrong in advising him to get up earlier every day? and taking his

morning dose in the MORNING?

My own labs showed highest coritsol at noon also and to this day that is when I

feel my best.

And when I had my labs done i used to get up about 10/11 am. So my low 8 am

cortisol was not relevant either?

Thanks.

Mo

Re: Fwd: VAL - timing of Isocort for my son

Then his NOON saliva lab should be looked at as 8AM. That is when his

body is used to waking up and thus when he will have the highest cortisl

of the day. Thsi si good news as it makes his abs not as bad as they

might have been. It is OK if MOST days he CAN sleep that late to start

the Isocort then. But he can expect on days he needs ot get up early to

be very tired as his body thinks it is the middle of the night. Cna;t

have it both ways. This si why a swing working shift that changes every

few months is a known adrenal destroyer.

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Then his NOON saliva lab should be looked at as 8AM. That is when his

body is used to waking up and thus when he will have the highest cortisl

of the day. Thsi si good news as it makes his abs not as bad as they

might have been. It is OK if MOST days he CAN sleep that late to start

the Isocort then. But he can expect on days he needs ot get up early to

be very tired as his body thinks it is the middle of the night. Cna;t

have it both ways. This si why a swing working shift that changes every

few months is a known adrenal destroyer.

So I am wrong in advising him to get up earlier every day? and taking his

morning dose in the MORNING?

My own labs showed highest coritsol at noon also and to this day that is when I

feel my best.

And when I had my labs done i used to get up about 10/11 am. So my low 8 am

cortisol was not relevant either?

Thanks.

Mo

Re: Fwd: VAL - timing of Isocort for my son

Then his NOON saliva lab should be looked at as 8AM. That is when his

body is used to waking up and thus when he will have the highest cortisl

of the day. Thsi si good news as it makes his abs not as bad as they

might have been. It is OK if MOST days he CAN sleep that late to start

the Isocort then. But he can expect on days he needs ot get up early to

be very tired as his body thinks it is the middle of the night. Cna;t

have it both ways. This si why a swing working shift that changes every

few months is a known adrenal destroyer.

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Then his NOON saliva lab should be looked at as 8AM. That is when his

body is used to waking up and thus when he will have the highest cortisl

of the day. Thsi si good news as it makes his abs not as bad as they

might have been. It is OK if MOST days he CAN sleep that late to start

the Isocort then. But he can expect on days he needs ot get up early to

be very tired as his body thinks it is the middle of the night. Cna;t

have it both ways. This si why a swing working shift that changes every

few months is a known adrenal destroyer.

So I am wrong in advising him to get up earlier every day? and taking his

morning dose in the MORNING?

My own labs showed highest coritsol at noon also and to this day that is when I

feel my best.

And when I had my labs done i used to get up about 10/11 am. So my low 8 am

cortisol was not relevant either?

Thanks.

Mo

Re: Fwd: VAL - timing of Isocort for my son

Then his NOON saliva lab should be looked at as 8AM. That is when his

body is used to waking up and thus when he will have the highest cortisl

of the day. Thsi si good news as it makes his abs not as bad as they

might have been. It is OK if MOST days he CAN sleep that late to start

the Isocort then. But he can expect on days he needs ot get up early to

be very tired as his body thinks it is the middle of the night. Cna;t

have it both ways. This si why a swing working shift that changes every

few months is a known adrenal destroyer.

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Then his NOON saliva lab should be looked at as 8AM. That is when his

body is used to waking up and thus when he will have the highest cortisl

of the day. Thsi si good news as it makes his abs not as bad as they

might have been. It is OK if MOST days he CAN sleep that late to start

the Isocort then. But he can expect on days he needs ot get up early to

be very tired as his body thinks it is the middle of the night. Cna;t

have it both ways. This si why a swing working shift that changes every

few months is a known adrenal destroyer.

So I am wrong in advising him to get up earlier every day? and taking his

morning dose in the MORNING?

My own labs showed highest coritsol at noon also and to this day that is when I

feel my best.

And when I had my labs done i used to get up about 10/11 am. So my low 8 am

cortisol was not relevant either?

I have been telling Danny that he is Stage 4/5 and he has been really worried

about this. Feeling he is on the precipice kind of thing. Is it the case then

Val, that he is not at that stage after all?

If he is not, where would you estimate her actually is at?

Thanks.

Mo

Re: Fwd: VAL - timing of Isocort for my son

Then his NOON saliva lab should be looked at as 8AM. That is when his

body is used to waking up and thus when he will have the highest cortisl

of the day. Thsi si good news as it makes his abs not as bad as they

might have been. It is OK if MOST days he CAN sleep that late to start

the Isocort then. But he can expect on days he needs ot get up early to

be very tired as his body thinks it is the middle of the night. Cna;t

have it both ways. This si why a swing working shift that changes every

few months is a known adrenal destroyer.

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Then his NOON saliva lab should be looked at as 8AM. That is when his

body is used to waking up and thus when he will have the highest cortisl

of the day. Thsi si good news as it makes his abs not as bad as they

might have been. It is OK if MOST days he CAN sleep that late to start

the Isocort then. But he can expect on days he needs ot get up early to

be very tired as his body thinks it is the middle of the night. Cna;t

have it both ways. This si why a swing working shift that changes every

few months is a known adrenal destroyer.

So I am wrong in advising him to get up earlier every day? and taking his

morning dose in the MORNING?

My own labs showed highest coritsol at noon also and to this day that is when I

feel my best.

And when I had my labs done i used to get up about 10/11 am. So my low 8 am

cortisol was not relevant either?

I have been telling Danny that he is Stage 4/5 and he has been really worried

about this. Feeling he is on the precipice kind of thing. Is it the case then

Val, that he is not at that stage after all?

If he is not, where would you estimate her actually is at?

Thanks.

Mo

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Then his NOON saliva lab should be looked at as 8AM. That is when his

body is used to waking up and thus when he will have the highest cortisl

of the day. Thsi si good news as it makes his abs not as bad as they

might have been. It is OK if MOST days he CAN sleep that late to start

the Isocort then. But he can expect on days he needs ot get up early to

be very tired as his body thinks it is the middle of the night. Cna;t

have it both ways. This si why a swing working shift that changes every

few months is a known adrenal destroyer.

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Realistically do you think eh WILL make himself get up every day at 8 AM?

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Hi Val

He will if he MUST for his health, certainly most days, maybe not the

weekend.

I really thought it would help him to do this and to take something

like PS (or 5HTP which IU got for him a couple of days ago) to try to

get to sleep earlier.

Val, can you please answer the other questions in my last post as

these points are vitally important to me and I need to understand this

better.

Thanks.

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The problems looks to me more liek his body is confused. He needs to

pick a sleep cycyle and stick ewiht it EVERY day. If oyu move his

cortiol results to noon being the 8AM they do nto look nearly as bad,

bUT his DHEA is following or trying to follow a normal 8AM rythm. I

would say he shoudl set an alarm for 8AM and take Isocort then, probably

4 pellets, adn then at noon take 2-3 more and 25MG DHEA. This should

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Hi again Val,

>

> The problems looks to me more liek his body is confused.

OK. I suppose it is possible his 8 am cortisol has been below range

for longer than this last nearlt two-year period that he is sleeping

late and getting to bed late. He HAD to be in college early and

school for the years before that so it was not an option to sleep in

except at weekends whichhe did to the same extent that he does now.

But then most teenagers do, don't they and that confuses the issue

for me and for Danny.

He needs to

> pick a sleep cycyle and stick ewiht it EVERY day.

I have just had a talk with him about this and he thought taking the

Isocort at noon would be what he would want to do for now and on the

days when he gets up early he will not take it until noon.

He says he is confused abouthow fatigued he actually is on these

mornings when his coritsol is below range. He says he does not feel

he is abnormally tired once he had had coffee and got himself out of

the flat to uni. But as I say he says he is confused because he does

not know what 'normal' is.......

Could you be below range at 8 am and NOT be fatigued is what I want

to ask you????

If oyu move his

> cortiol results to noon being the 8AM they do nto look nearly as

bad,

Yes I have just taken a look at the lab results from that

perspective and I see what you are saying.

But what about myquestion re all the people who are treating their

adrenals who do not rise early???? This, surely, is a major issue we

need to be looking at in more depth?

> bUT his DHEA is following or trying to follow a normal 8AM rythm.

Perhaps his DHEA is supporting his low morning cortisol enabling him

to feel reasonable at that time?

Do you remember you were surprised when after me being on this list

for more than a year or so, you first saw my ASI? You were surprised

and felt I may not have needed to go on cortisol at all, that

liqorice might have been enough.

And yet the DHEA was almost flatlined. The lab put a note on my

result saying DHEA OK and when I spoke with Dr Peatfield he got

really annoyed about that and said the DHEA was DEFINITELY not OK

and he said something about is being low because it was supporting

my cortisol levels.

I think that is what he said, would that make sense to you. He

diagtnosed me with Severe Adrenal Fatigue on those same labs!!!!

I

> would say he shoudl set an alarm for 8AM and take Isocort then,

probably

> 4 pellets, adn then at noon take 2-3 more and 25MG DHEA. This

should

> help lower his night tie cortios so he c an sleep earlier.

This after he has ramped up to the full 20 mgs. He forgot to

increase recently so tomorrow will only be at the point of adding in

a third dose, today it is 1 when he wakes and one more four hours

later.

Thanks.

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>>Perhaps his DHEA is supporting his low morning cortisol enabling him

to feel reasonable at that time?<<

Exactly. The DHEA adn cortisol balance is missing in his labs. SO ot correct

this maybe jst geteing up at 9AM instead of noon would be a good start. AND

taking Isocort when he FIRST gets up then.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Mo,

I was one of these persons, but as my adrenals are getting balanced (I hope)

I'm going to bed earlier and getting up earlier.

>>>But what about my question re all the people who are treating their adrenals

who do not rise early????

[Guest guest]

vAL

wE ARE ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH HERE AS oops

as I just talked with Danny after after getting your last post and

we came to the conclusion that 9 am would be a reasonable time to

take his first dose.

On the mornings he must be up early that willl not be a problem and

those whenhe does not have to be up he says he will set an alarm,

take the iscort and go back to sleep.

oh how I wish I could do that. If I wake in the night it is really

hard for me to get back to sleep. If I woke at 8 AM - FORGET IT!!!

lol

Mo

>

> >>Perhaps his DHEA is supporting his low morning cortisol enabling

him

> to feel reasonable at that time?<<

>

> Exactly. The DHEA adn cortisol balance is missing in his labs. SO

ot correct this maybe jst geteing up at 9AM instead of noon would be

a good start. AND taking Isocort when he FIRST gets up then.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane

WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets

>

[Guest guest]

vAL

wE ARE ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH HERE AS oops

as I just talked with Danny after after getting your last post and

we came to the conclusion that 9 am would be a reasonable time to

take his first dose.

On the mornings he must be up early that willl not be a problem and

those whenhe does not have to be up he says he will set an alarm,

take the iscort and go back to sleep.

oh how I wish I could do that. If I wake in the night it is really

hard for me to get back to sleep. If I woke at 8 AM - FORGET IT!!!

lol

Mo

>

> >>Perhaps his DHEA is supporting his low morning cortisol enabling

him

> to feel reasonable at that time?<<

>

> Exactly. The DHEA adn cortisol balance is missing in his labs. SO

ot correct this maybe jst geteing up at 9AM instead of noon would be

a good start. AND taking Isocort when he FIRST gets up then.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane

WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets

>

[Guest guest]

Bless you , that I was I was needing to hear.

So how long did it take for your sleep schedule to readjust itself?

Mo

>

> Hi Mo,

>

> I was one of these persons, but as my adrenals are getting

balanced (I hope) I'm going to bed earlier and getting up earlier.

>

>

>

> >>>But what about my question re all the people who are treating

their adrenals who do not rise early????

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's an ongoing thing, Mo. Every few days, I have a night where I'm up all night

but often I'm asleep by 11 or 12. Was up at 7 ths morning.

----- Original Message -----

From: Mo Osborne

January 06, 2008 5:43 PM

Bless you , that I was I was needing to hear.

So how long did it take for your sleep schedule to readjust itself?