Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

[Guest guest]

Me,too.. had this photo problem even before i developed observable adrenal

problems.sleeping problems starting from childhood.

Nil/7

RE: Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

I have had trouble with sleep since childhood too but I think now it is due

to a lifetime of adrenal issues based on my symptoms as a kid. I remember at

age 4 already having the light sensitivity issue and in photos you can see

my pupils dilated big even when bright light was shinning in them which

tells me they could not stay constricted in the bright light like a normal

person's would.

Interestingly, you also see this in drug addicts.

I saw old photos of actress Angelina Jolie recently, taken when she was in

her heavy drug using days (she was a heroine addict for awhile) and her

pupils were big on many photos even with bright lights. I compared that with

more recent photos where her pupils now constrict in bright lights more. I

would bet anything she is getting some kind of treatment for her adrenals.

Adrenals problems are also common with alcoholics.

I gave up drinking at age 19 when I started to have negative reactions to it

and now I have a much better understanding why. That was also the age I had

my wisdom teeth pulled and the openings left unstitched which I think caused

cavitations and bacteria build up because my health really nose dived after

that and I lost a lot of blood. I also had my first major adrenal crisis

that year and a doctor thought I was bipolar after that.

That was the start of my ongoing deteriorating health.

Cheri

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I'd give anything to get a good night's sleep - a natural good night's

sleep

that is. I've been taking sleeping pills for 20 yrs...

I've always had sleep problems - even as a child - I would wait until

everyone in the house went to sleep and then read.

Whatever is necessary to make one fall asleep - my body does not make it -

I'm wondering now if the tumor on my pituitary is responsible for

suppressing what you need to fall asleep....

Even on sleeping pills a good night for me is 4 hours and many nights I

simple do not fall asleep at all - I just rest..

I'm tired....very, very tired...

SeaLady

[Guest guest]

try even less..

Nil/7

Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

I appreciate the warning; what I bought was the 3 mg! Maybe I'll try

just half a dose.

-Jen

[Guest guest]

Do having sleeping problems and pupil dilation problems since childhood indicate

weak adrenal problem or do these happen when one is hypo thyroid,too?. Trying to

figure out which came first for me.

bw Nil

RE: Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

I have had trouble with sleep since childhood too but I think now it is due

to a lifetime of adrenal issues based on my symptoms as a kid. I remember at

age 4 already having the light sensitivity issue and in photos you can see

[Guest guest]

Jen,

I use melatonin 1.5 mg, lemon balm, valerian, and 5HTP. The addition of

the 5HTP helped a lot.

I have a times used 3mg. melatonin, but don't feel like it helps now.

K

>

> Thanks, ! If the Melatonin doesn't do it for me, I'll try Kava

> next.

>

> -Jen

>

[Guest guest]

Yesssss, I have them.

I don't know why and I'm not liking it~!

>>>Does everybody here have these sleep issues? Or just a " lucky " few?

[Guest guest]

Only about every other night. Needless to say, I feel better the next day if I'm

not awake in the night and early hours. Pat

Re: Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

Yesssss, I have them.

I don't know why and I'm not liking it~!

>>>Does everybody here have these sleep issues? Or just a " lucky " few?

[Guest guest]

I have no idea if it would be helpful to anyone else or not, but I've had

good luck with Calms Forte by Hyland's. I haven't taken it since I started

on HC, but it has helped me in the past when I've had trouble going to

sleep. My sleep problems usually fall into the waking up frequently

category. :-) Come to think of it, I never paid attention if it helped with

that or not. Here is a list of the ingredients:

Passiflora 1X Triple Strength - for restless or wakeful sleep from

exhaustion; Avena Sativa 1X Double Strength - for stress, nervousness or

nervous headache; Humulus Lupulus 1X Double Strength - for drowsiness with

incomplete sleep; Chamomilla 2X (Chamomile) - for nervous irritability; And

the following biochemic phosphates for enhancing cellular function: Calcarea

Phosphorica 3X HPUS, Ferrum Phosphoricum 3X HPUS, Kali Phosphoricum 3X HPUS,

Natrum Phosphoricum 3X HPUS, Magnesia Phosphoricum 3X HPUS

Cherie

> Kava and Valerian did not do anything for me and Melatonin made

> me hyper. I

> ordered some lemon balm and a couple of other things so we will

> see if that

> works. Just wondering if there was any OTC that adrenal fatigued

> people had

> success with.

>

> Cheri

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi jan

when I was sweating a lot I also had extreme immune system problems. I had

continuous low grade fever,sore throat,I was catching cold easily. I wonder if

you have these,too. Do you?

thanks.

Nil

Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

I appreciate the warning; what I bought was the 3 mg! Maybe I'll try

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

How much of the others do you use please?

Thanks

Sara

> I use melatonin 1.5 mg, lemon balm, valerian, and 5HTP. The

addition of

> the 5HTP helped a lot.

>

> I have a times used 3mg. melatonin, but don't feel like it helps

now.

>

>

>

> >

> > Thanks, ! If the Melatonin doesn't do it for me, I'll try

Kava

> > next.

> >

> > -Jen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>>Do having sleeping problems and pupil dilation problems since childhood

indicate weak adrenal problem or do these happen when one is hypo thyroid,too?.

Trying to figure out which came first for me.<<

Sleeping problems could be either but pupils dilating and sensitivity to light

is usually ALDOSTERONE

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

In this vein, would it make sense that as I ramped up Cortef, my light

sensitivity became MUCH worse? I'm ordering the Florinef today.

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From:

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Sleeping problems could be either but pupils dilating and sensitivity to light

is usually ALDOSTERONE

[Guest guest]

>>In this vein, would it make sense that as I ramped up Cortef, my light

sensitivity became MUCH worse? I'm ordering the Florinef today. <<

There are some varied opinions abotu this out there in info land. I have read

some sit4es that say some of aldosterone producti0n is influenced by ACTH and

can actually go down on higher HC dosing. Other say it is not influenced by ACTH

at all. I tend to think ACTH does have some influence or correcting cortisl

deficiency in some other way affects or makes low aldosterone surface. Possiboy

low cortiosl masks it.

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Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

I also have sound sensitivity. Is this also related to adrenals or something

else?

bw

Nil

Re: Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

>>In this vein, would it make sense that as I ramped up Cortef, my light

sensitivity became MUCH worse? I'm ordering the Florinef today. <<

[Guest guest]

Sensitivity to noise can be both thyroid and adrenal. When I was adrenally

insufficient and not on enough cortisol, I couldn't tolerate any noise or

commotion. But now that I am very hypo but not adrenally insufficient, I cannot

tolerate noise and am very sensitive to sound. In Dr. Arem's book (which I've

read 5 times) he refers to lots of his patients and what they reported to him

and most of the hypoT people wanted peace and quiet and couldn't tolerate noise.

Re: Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

>>In this vein, would it make sense that as I ramped up Cortef, my light

sensitivity became MUCH worse? I'm ordering the Florinef today. <<

[Guest guest]

Have you tried 5htp? What else have you tried?

I sometimes take one drop of lavender oil in orange juice, leave it by the bed

in case I case up. It just being there reassures me.

I have been an insomniac since childhood and been through a fairly full range of

orthodox and natural remedies.

I rely on a drowsy-making anithistamine at the moment AND I take the 5HTP also.

Â

Mo

Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

My primary goal in treating my hypothyroidism and adrenals is a good

night's sleep. For months I have been waking every night for several

hours. So I have been experimenting with PS -- with only limited

progress. Last night I tried taking licorice at bedtime, in case it

was LOW cortisol waking me up, but apparently not -- I woke at the

usual time with my body practically humming and was up for longer than

usual. (I don't have any recent labs, but my temperatures have just

recently stabilized at 98.6, and I don't have any hypo symptoms.)

So I would very much like to know, if you have tried PS, what your

experience was and especially what finally got you sleeping through

the night? Taking it earlier? Spreading throughout the day? Upping the

dose (to what?)? Using melatonin?

I am desperate and overwhelmed and don't know what to do next.

-Jen

[Guest guest]

What's the distinction between noise and sound ?

I am sensitive to noise too, ore the sudden, jarring type of noise I think as i

still have a pronounced startle reflex though not as bad as it was. I would

nearly jump out of my skin sometimes if someone came up behind me and spoke to

me or put their hand on my shoulder and I did not hear or see them coming. This

in my own home too.

Mo

, I cannot tolerate noise and am very sensitive to sound.

Re: Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

Sensitivity to noise can be both thyroid and adrenal. When I was adrenally

insufficient and not on enough cortisol, I couldn't tolerate any noise or

commotion. But now that I am very hypo but not adrenally insufficient, I cannot

tolerate noise and am very sensitive to sound. In Dr. Arem's book (which I've

read 5 times) he refers to lots of his patients and what they reported to him

and most of the hypoT people wanted peace and quiet and couldn't tolerate noise.

Re: Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

>>In this vein, would it make sense that as I ramped up Cortef, my light

sensitivity became MUCH worse? I'm ordering the Florinef today. <<

[Guest guest]

What's the distinction between noise and sound ?

I am sensitive to noise too, ore the sudden, jarring type of noise I think as i

still have a pronounced startle reflex though not as bad as it was. I would

nearly jump out of my skin sometimes if someone came up behind me and spoke to

me or put their hand on my shoulder and I did not hear or see them coming. This

in my own home too.

Mo

, I cannot tolerate noise and am very sensitive to sound.

Re: Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

Sensitivity to noise can be both thyroid and adrenal. When I was adrenally

insufficient and not on enough cortisol, I couldn't tolerate any noise or

commotion. But now that I am very hypo but not adrenally insufficient, I cannot

tolerate noise and am very sensitive to sound. In Dr. Arem's book (which I've

read 5 times) he refers to lots of his patients and what they reported to him

and most of the hypoT people wanted peace and quiet and couldn't tolerate noise.

Re: Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

>>In this vein, would it make sense that as I ramped up Cortef, my light

sensitivity became MUCH worse? I'm ordering the Florinef today. <<

[Guest guest]

Do you think this will totally go away as you treat the thyroids?I am afraid of

having permenant neurological damage.

Also i wonder if this related to any neurotransmitter.

bw

Nil

Re: Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

Sensitivity to noise can be both thyroid and adrenal. When I was adrenally

insufficient and not on enough cortisol, I couldn't tolerate any noise or

commotion. But now that I am very hypo but not adrenally insufficient, I cannot

tolerate noise and am very

[Guest guest]

Do you think this will totally go away as you treat the thyroids?I am afraid of

having permenant neurological damage.

Also i wonder if this related to any neurotransmitter.

bw

Nil

Re: Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

Sensitivity to noise can be both thyroid and adrenal. When I was adrenally

insufficient and not on enough cortisol, I couldn't tolerate any noise or

commotion. But now that I am very hypo but not adrenally insufficient, I cannot

tolerate noise and am very

[Guest guest]

Do you think this will totally go away as you treat the thyroids?I am afraid of

having permenant neurological damage.

Also i wonder if this related to any neurotransmitter.

bw

Nil

Re: Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

Sensitivity to noise can be both thyroid and adrenal. When I was adrenally

insufficient and not on enough cortisol, I couldn't tolerate any noise or

commotion. But now that I am very hypo but not adrenally insufficient, I cannot

tolerate noise and am very

[Guest guest]

I've found the herbal tinctures to be very helpful - just wish they weren't so

expensive. Cramp Bark has really helped the tightness I get in stomach and

chest that Xanex will not relieve. Anybody know what causes that tightness?

Thank God it usually goes away about 7:00 PM, especially since I'm on Isocort.

Cheers,

Pat

Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

---Hi Cherie,

Alot of BS out there about Kava and liver problems etc..If I was you

I would take the time to read up all the info on the root of the

matter site link I gave you..but it does say not to take if you have

bi-polar depression!

Love

Sara

>

> I would not remember anymore just that it had a yellow label.

>

> I also remember reading that there were several health issues that

Kava

> created or made worse. I believe it was that it can make depression

worse

> and I don't need more of that. Additionally, it was supposed to be

avoided

> if you have tremors, which I had at the time. I have also had a

history of

> seizures which I still get every now and then. I think liver

problems was

> also implicated.

>

> So, I think that one I will avoid but I might look into Valerian

again. I

> think I still have some at home and maybe I didn't use it long

enough.

>

> Cheri

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

>

>

>

> -Cherie,

> Sorry to hear the Kava didn't work for you. Can I ask where u

bought

> it and how much you took?? There is much inferior kava out there!

>

> Love

>

> Sara

> .

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sleep problems seem to be common. I have severe sleep issues.

sol

jenningsintl wrote:

> Does everybody here have these sleep issues? Or just a " lucky " few?

>

[Guest guest]

I, as well have them . Had them for many of years.

Was put on a sleep medication. Well, that was not smart lol,

Now I can not sleep w/o it.

Hopefully, in time, getting adrenals better, thryroid etcc.

I will need less.

a(=

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Only about every other night. Needless to say, I feel better the next day if

I'm not awake in the night and early hours. Pat

Re: Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

Yesssss, I have them.

I don't know why and I'm not liking it~!

>>>Does everybody here have these sleep issues? Or just a " lucky " few?

[Guest guest]

Sometimes kava seemed to help me and sometimes it did nothing. I've

rarely used it because of liver worries, that are often mentioned re

Kava. But I just looked it up again in " The Green Pharmacy Herbal

Handbook " by A Duke, and he doesn't mention any liver concerns.

There are some side effects with too high dosages for too long periods,

but he doens't mention any liver side effects.

sol

tapmom5113 wrote:

> I've used Kava and it is good. I use valerian now and it works, too,

> but I think the Kava is better. I quit using it because the brand I

> found it in stopped using it, but I have noticed I am seeing it more

> and more.

>

> K

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would say Dr. Arem's book was the most enlightening book I've ever read (other

than the Bible). I knew T3 was the missing link to feeling optimal,and finally

persuaded a doctor to perscribe it. A had 2 of the best years of my life on it

and Armour. Unfortunately, got a virus inMarch of 2005 that took months for

sinuses, etc. to return to normal. I was tired and depressed and my usual blood

tests made my doctor keep increasing the Armour. I've been fighting to keep

functioning ever since. The restless and anxiety and sometimes depression are

unbearable at times. So, I'm always searching this forum for help.

Sincerely,

Pat

Re: Re: Experiences with PS and Insomnia Please

>>In this vein, would it make sense that as I ramped up Cortef, my light

sensitivity became MUCH worse? I'm ordering the Florinef today. <<