Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Did you have the saliva testing done? The reason I ask is because if you are gaining weight around your middle you may be HIGH cortisol, not low. Kim frustrated with hc I am getting fat as heck on these danged cortef. This is not right. Somebody tell me why we are using this stuff, please. I am not convinced that there are not other homeopathic alternatives to this crap. Seems to me that Almighty God put natural products in our reach that do not cause harm the way this stuff does. Do any of you have some alternatives and would you write to me please if so? Another thing: I have been ramping too slowly I am sure. I do not understand the temperatures thing. I am taking them as regularly as is humanly possible here. What are they supposed to reveal exactly? When they reach a certain temperature, you say? And what else should I look for? Some patient person please reply. A brief and curt " go here " is not what I need right now. Happy New Year to All, Thank you, Jaydee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 If this is the case (HIGH cortisol) then do you stop HC altogether?? -- Re: frustrated with hc Did you have the saliva testing done? The reason I ask is because if you are gaining weight around your middle you may be HIGH cortisol, not low. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 No, you don't want to stop HC abruptly or without knowing what your levels are. It is not always a case of high cortisol. I really want to make that clear. You can get belly fat when you have low cortisol too. This is the case with me. The belly fat in me came not from my earlier adrenal fatigue state when I was high in cortisol, but when I got to the more advanced stage and was low. Whether it was other things like thyroid getting worse that actually causes the belly in low cortisol people I don't know. However, before I tested my cortisol I assumed I was high because I had all the classic high cortisol symptoms and it turned out to be the exact opposite...I was extremely low. I had been taking things to lower my cortisol and it was only making me sicker because I was already low, not high. those ads on tv keep saying belly fat = high cortisol and I am one case that shows that is not always the case. So, do not assume based on symptoms alone because high and low cortisol can show the same symptoms. I don't think we yet know and understand well enough all the other metabolic processes involved. I will say with all my recent weight gain it has been distributed pretty evenly (except not in the breasts) but my stomach didn't get any larger proportionately to the rest of my body and my skinny arms actually look nice for a change (about the only body part that does, lol). Cheri Re: frustrated with hc Did you have the saliva testing done? The reason I ask is because if you are gaining weight around your middle you may be HIGH cortisol, not low. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Thank you Cherie for that personal experience... I was getting a little nervous there. I feel so much better ....and some of the belly fat came during the very cold, fatigued ....before I found this group. And at first I lost 10lbs but slowly gained it back. I know about weaning down from HC so would never just drop it. But this is difficult to understand. -- RE: frustrated with hc No, you don't want to stop HC abruptly or without knowing what your levels are. It is not always a case of high cortisol. I really want to make that clear. You can get belly fat when you have low cortisol too. This is the case with me. The belly fat in me came not from my earlier adrenal fatigue state when I was high in cortisol, but when I got to the more advanced stage and was .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Jaydee, Do you know what stage adrenal fatigue you are at? It is my understanding that if you are at one of the early stages, then taking something like licorice root can be helpful. However, if you are at one of the later stages, you need to take HC to have any chance of your adrenal glands healing. You can buy Isocort over the counter, but it is still HC even if it is a lower dosage. Basically, your body NEEDS the HC in order to properly use thyroid hormones (among many other things). Without cortisol, you die. As far as the temperatures go, you should take them 3 times each day at the same time. For instance, I've started taking mine at 3:00pm, 6:00pm, and 9:00pm because this will be easier for me to remember. The first time you take your temp. needs to be at least 3 hours after you get up for the day. It can be longer though. Then you average the 3 temperatures each day. When the average is consistent with .2 degrees each and every day, then you know you are on the optimal dose of HC for your body. This is the point where you start adding in the thyroid medication. If you do it before this point, you put more stress on the adrenal glands and cause problems like thyroid dumps and so on. At least that is the way I understand it. I do understand your frustration with weight gain. Personally, I feel our culture is too concerned with body weight. I'm not saying I wouldn't like to be thinner, but I would rather put on a bit more weight and feel GOOD! So while I would rather lose a bit of weight, I will try not to complain too much about gaining if that is the price for getting healthy again. I do realize that being overweight has it's own problems, but personally I can only deal with up to 10 different major problems/responsibilities at one time. <grin> Apparently 11 is too many for me..... Cherie > > I am getting fat as heck on these danged cortef. This is not right. > Somebody tell me why we are using this stuff, please. I am not > convinced that there are not other homeopathic alternatives to this > crap. Seems to me that Almighty God put natural products in our reach > that do not cause harm the way this stuff does. Do any of you have some > alternatives and would you write to me please if so? > > Another thing: I have been ramping too slowly I am sure. I do not > understand the temperatures thing. I am taking them as regularly as is > humanly possible here. What are they supposed to reveal exactly? When > they reach a certain temperature, you say? And what else should I look > for? Some patient person please reply. A brief and curt " go here " is > not what I need right now. > > Happy New Year to All, > Thank you, > Jaydee No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 I am getting up at different times every day and taking my isocort every three hours after i get up. I wish to get my temps just before i take my isocort. that will be easier to remember but my temp readings will be at different times of the days depending when i get up.It is almost impossible for me to tract two groups of timings,one for isocort and second for temp taking due to extreme exhaustion problems.I am in bed most of the time without being aware of the time. Would you think my results will be wrong if I do it this way? also what would happen if I take 5 or 6 temperatures during the day randomly without following the 3 hour schedule?That will even be easier to accomplish for me. bw Nil RE: frustrated with hc Jaydee, Do you know what stage adrenal fatigue you are at? It is my understanding that if you are at one of the early stages, then taking something like licorice root can be helpful. However, if you are at one of the later stages, you need to take HC to have any chance of your adrenal glands healing. You can buy Isocort over the counter, but it is still HC even if it is a lower dosage. Basically, your body NEEDS the HC in order to properly use thyroid hormones (among many other things). Without cortisol, you die. As far as the temperatures go, you should take them 3 times each day at the same time. For instance, I've started taking mine at 3:00pm, 6:00pm, and 9:00pm because this will be easier for me to remember. The first time you take your temp. needs to be at least 3 hours after you get up for the day. It can be longer though. Then you average the 3 temperatures each day. When the average is consistent with .2 degrees each and every day, then you know you are on the optimal dose of HC for your body. This is the point where you start adding in the thyroid medication. If you do it before this point, you put more stress on the adrenal glands and cause problems like thyroid dumps and so on. At least that is the way I understand it. I do understand your frustration with weight gain. Personally, I feel our culture is too concerned with body weight. I'm not saying I wouldn't like to be thinner, but I would rather put on a bit more weight and feel GOOD! So while I would rather lose a bit of weight, I will try not to complain too much about gaining if that is the price for getting healthy again. I do realize that being overweight has it's own problems, but personally I can only deal with up to 10 different major problems/responsibilities at one time. <grin> Apparently 11 is too many for me..... Cherie > > I am getting fat as heck on these danged cortef. This is not right. > Somebody tell me why we are using this stuff, please. I am not > convinced that there are not other homeopathic alternatives to this > crap. Seems to me that Almighty God put natural products in our reach > that do not cause harm the way this stuff does. Do any of you have some > alternatives and would you write to me please if so? > > Another thing: I have been ramping too slowly I am sure. I do not > understand the temperatures thing. I am taking them as regularly as is > humanly possible here. What are they supposed to reveal exactly? When > they reach a certain temperature, you say? And what else should I look > for? Some patient person please reply. A brief and curt " go here " is > not what I need right now. > > Happy New Year to All, > Thank you, > Jaydee No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 >>I am getting fat as heck on these danged cortef. This is not right. Somebody tell me why we are using this stuff, please. I am not convinced that there are not other homeopathic alternatives to this crap. Seems to me that Almighty God put natural products in our reach that do not cause harm the way this stuff does. Do any of you have some alternatives and would you write to me please if so?<< Read ;s book he has the best non cortisol protocol.. You know if you want help on this list, posting your labs is needed. A little less sarcasm too would be nice as I deal with alot every day with my own health and I really don't have time for people that are not sincere in wanting to get well the best ways we have learned. >>Another thing: I have been ramping too slowly I am sure. I do not understand the temperatures thing. I am taking them as regularly as is humanly possible here. What are they supposed to reveal exactly? When they reach a certain temperature, you say? And what else should I look for? Some patient person please reply. A brief and curt " go here " is not what I need right now. << Well the go to www.drrind.com is THE best answer I can give oyu as I cannot type out his whole instructions with graphs and drawings to explain here. YOU must pout alot of effort into getting well, we can;t do that for you. Your own research is necessary. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Actually VERY low cortisol will cause weight LOSS. SO when you correct a bad cortisol deficiency it is quite normal to gain sone weight. Your are used to eatign for a bosy that is not gettign anything from the food and suddenly digestion improves. Also lwo cortisol masks hypo. So as you fix the low cortios state the hypo becomes more apparent. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Nil, I'm not positive about that. I was just repeating back what Val had said and what I've read on the links I've gotten here. The impression I got was that it is most important to take the temps at the same time each day. I always try to take my HC at the same time each day as well to help the whole rhytm thing. It should be highest in the morning, and lowest before bedtime. I'm getting a timer to set and carry around with me to help. Have you tried putting your medicine and thermometer by your bed and setting your alarm? Cherie > I am getting up at different times every day and taking my > isocort every three hours after i get up. I wish to get my temps > just before i take my isocort. that will be easier to remember > but my temp readings will be at different times of the days > depending when i get up.It is almost impossible for me to tract > two groups of timings,one for isocort and second for temp taking > due to extreme exhaustion problems.I am in bed most of the time > without being aware of the time. > > Would you think my results will be wrong if I do it this way? > > also what would happen if I take 5 or 6 temperatures during the > day randomly without following the 3 hour schedule?That will even > be easier to accomplish for me. > > bw > Nil > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 MsSquarepants wrote: > It is not always a case of high cortisol. I really want to make that clear. > You can get belly fat when you have low cortisol too. This is the case with > me.....................However, before I > tested my cortisol I assumed I was high because I had all the classic high > cortisol symptoms and it turned out to be the exact opposite...I was > extremely low. My son, who pushed and nagged at me to get saliva testing done was certain I was high cortisol, but turns out I'm also extremely low. Extremely low. I wasn't as surprised as he because though I had the round face, large abdomen and thinnish extremeties of high cortisol, my other symptoms were definitely low cortisol. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Yup. I had classic Cushings symptoms and turns out to be the opposite. I was really thin for many years but I think when it pushed to stage 7and the hypo symptoms got worse since the adrenals could no longer compensate, that is when I got the Cushings symptoms...which now I think are really hypo symptoms in adrenal fatigued people who have been in stage 7 for many years...that look the same as high cortisol symptoms. I still don't know the answer to this puzzle but I want to caution people because with all the Relacore and other products we see advertised everywhere that keep saying " lower cortisol, get rid of your belly fat " ...in a population that is likely widely suffering from adrenal fatigue...it can only make them worse as it did with me. Want to spare others what I have been going through. I was so confused for 7 years because I had both Cushing's and 's symptoms and had I known that adrenal insufficiency can exhibit both, I would have pursued an entirely different route. Even Dr. Rind's chart was enlightening to me. My gut tells me this is a thyroid/adrenal issue versus just an adrenal issue and there are other metabolic processes involved which is why it isn't as clear cut based on symptoms alone. Years ago doctors didn't think you could have Hashi's and Graves at the same time and now they know you can (at least the informed ones) since so many patients are testing positive for antibodies for both. Cheri Re: frustrated with hc MsSquarepants wrote: > It is not always a case of high cortisol. I really want to make that clear. > You can get belly fat when you have low cortisol too. This is the case with > me.....................However, before I > tested my cortisol I assumed I was high because I had all the classic high > cortisol symptoms and it turned out to be the exact opposite...I was > extremely low. My son, who pushed and nagged at me to get saliva testing done was certain I was high cortisol, but turns out I'm also extremely low. Extremely low. I wasn't as surprised as he because though I had the round face, large abdomen and thinnish extremeties of high cortisol, my other symptoms were definitely low cortisol. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 wrote: > Actually VERY low cortisol will cause weight LOSS. SO when you correct a > bad cortisol deficiency it is quite normal to gain sone weight. Your are > used to eatign for a bosy that is not gettign anything from the food and > suddenly digestion improves. Also lwo cortisol masks hypo. So as you fix > the low cortios state the hypo becomes more apparent. > AHA! That makes me remember that I often thought that my daily intake would have caused a normal person to be about 300 lbs. It makes sense that poor digestion and absorption is what allowed me to eat a lot yet maintain a stable weight. Funny that lowering my intake could not make me lose weight though. I guess that is the hypo. At any rate, I've always eaten a lot because I'm always hungry. Particularly when not eating low carb, then I became ravenous. And since I couldn't lose weight even on starvation diets, I could not see any benefit to being constantly in starving hypoglycemia. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Oops, should have read further before replying! Wow...well, I never gained the weight around my middle til after I started HC. As a matter of fact, when I first started taking the HC and Armour I actually lost a bit of weight, but then gained and I haven't been able to get rid of it even at 4.5 grains of Armour. KIm Re: frustrated with hc Did you have the saliva testing done? The reason I ask is because if you are gaining weight around your middle you may be HIGH cortisol, not low. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 oh! My adrenals are so weak that setting an alarm clock will be a strong stimulus for me.SO,this will be quite difficult for me.Thanks a lot for the info. Nil RE: frustrated with hc Nil, I'm not positive about that. I was just repeating back what Val had said and what I've read on the links I've gotten here. The impression I got was that it is most important to take the temps at the same time each day. I always try to take my HC at the same time each day as well to help the whole rhytm thing. It should be highest in the morning, and lowest before bedtime. I'm getting a timer to set and carry around with me to help. Have you tried putting your medicine and thermometer by your bed and setting your alarm? Cherie > I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 I'm using my mobile phone alarm.. Sara > > oh! > My adrenals are so weak that setting an alarm clock will be a strong stimulus for me.SO,this will be quite difficult for me.Thanks a lot for the info. > Nil > RE: frustrated with hc > > > Nil, > > I'm not positive about that. I was just repeating back what Val had said and > what I've read on the links I've gotten here. The impression I got was that > it is most important to take the temps at the same time each day. I always > try to take my HC at the same time each day as well to help the whole rhytm > thing. It should be highest in the morning, and lowest before bedtime. I'm > getting a timer to set and carry around with me to help. Have you tried > putting your medicine and thermometer by your bed and setting your alarm? > > Cherie > > > I > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Well, that makes sense. That startle reflex is something isn't it. Maybe something softer like a watch that beeps a cute soft little beep..... Barring that, I would think that something is better than nothing! Cherie > oh! > My adrenals are so weak that setting an alarm clock will be a > strong stimulus for me.SO,this will be quite difficult for > me.Thanks a lot for the info. > Nil > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 My wife got me one of these watches with 12 settable alarms - http://www.epill.com/bysku.html > > > > I'm using my mobile phone alarm.. > > Sara > > > > oh! > > My adrenals are so weak that setting an alarm clock will be a > strong stimulus for me.SO,this will be quite difficult for me.Thanks > a lot for the info. > > Nil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Hi, and do you like it?? I have been thinking of getting one of these. I set the alarms in my cell phone but if I am in the store or somewhere loud I can hear it. thanks, Bernetta -- Re: frustrated with hc My wife got me one of these watches with 12 settable alarms - http://www.epill.com/bysku.html > > > > I'm using my mobile phone alarm.. > > Sara > > > > oh! > > My adrenals are so weak that setting an alarm clock will be a > strong stimulus for me.SO,this will be quite difficult for me.Thanks > a lot for the info. > > Nil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 I had been looking at those too and the Wal-Mart one. Decided against both only because my phone has 5 alarms but I wanted more and to be able to have both alarms and vibrate. Ebay has ones with 30-200+ and both the vibrate and sound functions like my phone, so that is what I am going to save up for. -----Original Message----- My wife got me one of these watches with 12 settable alarms - http://www.epill.com/bysku.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Yes, between Armour and HC doses, and taking my temp three times/day, my cell phone wasn't getting it anymore. I have to wear a watch anyway so this works for me. She went overboard and also bought me a pager that I probably won't use but it vibrates so I could use it during meetings if I had to. > > Hi, > and do you like it?? I have been thinking of getting one of these. I set the > alarms in my cell phone but if I am in the store or somewhere loud I can > hear it. thanks, Bernetta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Can you do a vibrating one instead? As you heal, the noise issue will dissipate. Mine has already gotten better. The only time it really bothers me now is first thing in the morning so I set that alarm for after I know I will already be up. I also set it at a low ring. Cheri -----Original Message----- Thank you all for ideas. Those are all good ideas but unfortunately i can not use any of those. any sudden noise puts extreme burden on my adrenals and i can not recover for hours.I am living in bad most of the time with ear plugs and in total darkness. wish you the best. Nil . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Thank you all for ideas. Those are all good ideas but unfortunately i can not use any of those. any sudden noise puts extreme burden on my adrenals and i can not recover for hours.I am living in bad most of the time with ear plugs and in total darkness. wish you the best. Nil Re: frustrated with hc My wife got me one of these watches with 12 settable alarms - http://www.epill.com/bysku.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Thank you. Good idea but still,when i get little better i guess.. Can not handle any kind of stimuli. bw Nil RE: Re: frustrated with hc Can you do a vibrating one instead? As you heal, the noise issue will dissipate. Mine has already gotten better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 You are right Cherie I am increasing my dose at this moment.Problem is that i feel more and more exhausted as i increase the dosage. I am not sure if this is related to dosage increase or external stressors I have at this time so i am going slow..best wishes. Nil/7 RE: Re: frustrated with hc Nil, I would think if you can't handle anything like that that you can't be anywhere near your optimal dose. I could be grossly wrong though. :-) If I were you, I'd just do the best I could. Take your meds and temps when you get up and remember them. Rest is important in the healing process too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Nil, I would think if you can't handle anything like that that you can't be anywhere near your optimal dose. I could be grossly wrong though. :-) If I were you, I'd just do the best I could. Take your meds and temps when you get up and remember them. Rest is important in the healing process too regardless of what you are healing. Hope you feel better soon! Cherie > Thank you. Good idea but still,when i get little better i guess.. > Can not handle any kind of stimuli. > bw > Nil > RE: Re: frustrated with hc > > > Can you do a vibrating one instead? > > As you heal, the noise issue will dissipate. Mine has already > gotten better. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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