Clarification on building reserves

[Guest guest]

I just want to make sure that I am clear on something. We can't build

reserves of cortisol until the adrenals are functioning at least

somewhat on their own and that can't happen until there is adequate

thyroid hormone correct? Or can we build reserves of supplemented

cortisol that has nothing to do with adrenal production which, I

assume, would still be dependent on thyroid being adequate?

Thanks,

>

> >>Okay so I'll try a protein snack tonight and see what happens. If it

> doesn't help I guess I could take the 2.5mg increase you suggested

> yesterday in the middle of the night?<<

>

> This is worth a shot. Usually middle of night dosing is a tmp thing

and the need will stop once you get some reserves built up.

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[Guest guest]

>>I just want to make sure that I am clear on something. We can't build

reserves of cortisol until the adrenals are functioning at least

somewhat on their own and that can't happen until there is adequate

thyroid hormone correct? Or can we build reserves of supplemented

cortisol that has nothing to do with adrenal production which, I

assume, would still be dependent on thyroid being adequate?<<

You can build reserves just wihtHC alone, provided you are taking enough to meet

your daily need sand a tad mroe.

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[Guest guest]

So what point are we talking about when we get to stable daily temps? Is

that rock bottom minimum with no " tad more " to help build reserves?

thanks,

sol

wrote:

> You can build reserves just wihtHC alone, provided you are taking enough to

meet your daily need sand a tad mroe.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>So what point are we talking about when we get to stable daily temps? Is

that rock bottom minimum with no " tad more " to help build reserves?<<

I like to use this as a guide. If oyu have to stress dose more than once every

week you need more HC. Needing to stress dose menas you are using those reserves

too fast and wioll never build any.

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[Guest guest]

> > You can build reserves just wihtHC alone, provided you are taking

enough to meet your daily need sand a tad mroe.

> >

> >Hi Val,

Happy New Year!

I am currently taking 40mg of HC but still having trouble controlling

my blood sugar. Do you think this means I need more? You had previously

told me that 40mg sounded like a lot for me based on my labs, but

should I go by symptoms (i.e. hypoglycemia)?

Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

Val

I am a little confused about the timing of stress dosing. It seems

that ideally you should stress dose before a stress occurs if you

know it will occur (ie. dental appt, surgery etc) Otherwise, are we

supposed to wait and see if we get the shakes and nausea? Does

everyone get these symptoms? I dont ever get nausea but I do get

profound fatigue.

Thanks,

English

>

> >>So what point are we talking about when we get to stable daily

temps? Is

> that rock bottom minimum with no " tad more " to help build reserves?

<<

>

> I like to use this as a guide. If oyu have to stress dose more than

once every week you need more HC. Needing to stress dose menas you

are using those reserves too fast and wioll never build any.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

>>I am currently taking 40mg of HC but still having trouble controlling

my blood sugar. Do you think this means I need more? You had previously

told me that 40mg sounded like a lot for me based on my labs, but

should I go by symptoms (i.e. hypoglycemia)? <<

I would not raise it based on glucose alone.whta is your BP? Are you grapohign

your temps? Are you on thyroid?

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[Guest guest]

>>I am a little confused about the timing of stress dosing. It seems

that ideally you should stress dose before a stress occurs if you

know it will occur (ie. dental appt, surgery etc) Otherwise, are we

supposed to wait and see if we get the shakes and nausea? Does

everyone get these symptoms? I dont ever get nausea but I do get

profound fatigue. <<

Just as a Diabetic on insulin can get to the point they get NO warmnings of

hypoglycemia they becoem insensitive to it , so also can folks that have lots of

adrnealine surges which CAUSE the shakes and nausea become insensitized to the

adrenaline that causes these symptoms. SO it can be normal to not have more than

light shakes and maybe sweating when oyu are stressed where as anothe person

withthe same everything else would be quite nauseaus

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[Guest guest]

That describes me I guess. I sweat and my stomach starts hurting like

the IBS is kicking in, but I rarely get nauseous. When I do, it's

long past time for food HC or both, and I have no energy either. I'm

guessing that I became used to the adrenaline before I ever started on

HC months ago.

>

> >>I am a little confused about the timing of stress dosing. It seems

> that ideally you should stress dose before a stress occurs if you

> know it will occur (ie. dental appt, surgery etc) Otherwise, are we

> supposed to wait and see if we get the shakes and nausea? Does

> everyone get these symptoms? I dont ever get nausea but I do get

> profound fatigue. <<

>

> Just as a Diabetic on insulin can get to the point they get NO

warmnings of hypoglycemia they becoem insensitive to it , so also can

folks that have lots of adrnealine surges which CAUSE the shakes and

nausea become insensitized to the adrenaline that causes these

symptoms. SO it can be normal to not have more than light shakes and

maybe sweating when oyu are stressed where as anothe person withthe

same everything else would be quite nauseaus

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks so much Val,

English

>

> Just as a Diabetic on insulin can get to the point they get NO

warmnings of hypoglycemia they becoem insensitive to it , so also can

folks that have lots of adrnealine surges which CAUSE the shakes and

nausea become insensitized to the adrenaline that causes these

symptoms. SO it can be normal to not have more than light shakes and

maybe sweating when oyu are stressed where as anothe person withthe

same everything else would be quite nauseaus

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Maybe that is part of my problem, I have IBS so its just status quo for

me lol. And the Fatigue is sooooo profound that it hurts.

English

>

> That describes me I guess. I sweat and my stomach starts hurting like

> the IBS is kicking in, but I rarely get nauseous. When I do, it's

> long past time for food HC or both, and I have no energy either. I'm

> guessing that I became used to the adrenaline before I ever started on

> HC months ago.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> You can build reserves just with HC alone, provided you are taking

> enough to meet your daily need sand a tad more.

>

Wouldn't such a total replacement dose shut down the HPA? Or is

that more the decreasing supplementation as the day goes on which

keeps the feedback loop alive? (which makes Jeffries " even "

supplementation rhythm seem odd)

Jim

[Guest guest]

>You can build reserves just with HC alone, provided you are taking

> enough to meet your daily need sand a tad more.

>

Wouldn't such a total replacement dose shut down the HPA? Or is

that more the decreasing supplementation as the day goes on which

keeps the feedback loop alive? (which makes Jeffries " even "

supplementation rhythm seem odd)<<

This is why teh dose we take must be individualized and not too high. It needs

to be JUST enough that with our OWN cortilsl is a tad mreo than we need for day

to day operations. Thsi way there is SOME adrenal stimulation every day, and

still some extra cortiosl for reserves. It is a delicate balance and why we have

to tweak doses so carefully. I have seen few peole the even doses work well for,

but some! Which is why I usually try the tapering rythym first. When it seems to

work best with the even dosing is when tapering off HC, as it builds the

adrenals by making them work in the mornings more than later in the day.

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[Guest guest]

Is there any way of knowing if we're taking so much HC to shut down

the HPA? Is it the same symptoms of high cortisol/Cushing's?

>

> >You can build reserves just with HC alone, provided you are taking

> > enough to meet your daily need sand a tad more.

> >

>

> Wouldn't such a total replacement dose shut down the HPA? Or is

> that more the decreasing supplementation as the day goes on which

> keeps the feedback loop alive? (which makes Jeffries " even "

> supplementation rhythm seem odd)<<

>

> This is why teh dose we take must be individualized and not too

high. It needs to be JUST enough that with our OWN cortilsl is a tad

mreo than we need for day to day operations. Thsi way there is SOME

adrenal stimulation every day, and still some extra cortiosl for

reserves. It is a delicate balance and why we have to tweak doses so

carefully. I have seen few peole the even doses work well for, but

some! Which is why I usually try the tapering rythym first. When it

seems to work best with the even dosing is when tapering off HC, as it

builds the adrenals by making them work in the mornings more than

later in the day.

>

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>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes. Basically I watch for the belly gettign larger, that is one of MY

first symptoms of too much cortisol. Then my ankles get puffy.

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