New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

[Guest guest]

Hi Group,

My wife , nne, has been battling Rheumatoid Arthritis for over

three years with varying success.

When the side effects from the antibiotics became more and more

problematic, we searched for other

options.

Fortunately, I found the so-called HOLISTIC BALANCED TREATMENT on the

web in a book by Dr. Null. It sounded promising and has all

the credentials of a well researched and tested protocol.

In addition to various publications by credible, outstanding MDs , the

treatment was tested with great success in a double-blind study with 373

patients of all ages. This all goes back to the 60 s and 70 s. The major

researcher, E. Liefmann, MD got

interested in this subject when he observed that women with RA would

lose the disease when they got pregnant

and it came right back after the baby was born. For this reason, he

studied the hormone situation. His treatment consists of taking

sublingual drops of hormone solutions

at various proportions, which are individually adjusted according to the

response.

To make a long story short, my wife tried it and within _three days_ the

swelling of her hands, pain and stiffness started

to fade. She is now two weeks into the program and is practically normal

!! Physical and mental.No major side effects. The only reaction is a

retracing (see Google

retracing/healing) which is sign of healing.

I realize that this is a rather short time of my wife's experience but

in view of the tremendous success, I do not want to wait any longer and make

everybody with RA aware of this phantastic treatment. This quick

response pattern is fairly typical according to the administering MD.

Details and related information is at

http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html

Good luck,

[Guest guest]

What hormones does she use?

Thanks,

rheumatic New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

Hi Group,

My wife , nne, has been battling Rheumatoid Arthritis for over

three years with varying success.

When the side effects from the antibiotics became more and more

problematic, we searched for other

options.

Fortunately, I found the so-called HOLISTIC BALANCED TREATMENT on the

web in a book by Dr. Null. It sounded promising and has all

the credentials of a well researched and tested protocol.

In addition to various publications by credible, outstanding MDs , the

treatment was tested with great success in a double-blind study with 373

patients of all ages. This all goes back to the 60 s and 70 s. The major

researcher, E. Liefmann, MD got

interested in this subject when he observed that women with RA would

lose the disease when they got pregnant

and it came right back after the baby was born. For this reason, he

studied the hormone situation. His treatment consists of taking

sublingual drops of hormone solutions

at various proportions, which are individually adjusted according to the

response.

To make a long story short, my wife tried it and within _three days_ the

swelling of her hands, pain and stiffness started

to fade. She is now two weeks into the program and is practically normal

!! Physical and mental.No major side effects. The only reaction is a

retracing (see Google

retracing/healing) which is sign of healing.

I realize that this is a rather short time of my wife's experience but

in view of the tremendous success, I do not want to wait any longer and make

everybody with RA aware of this phantastic treatment. This quick

response pattern is fairly typical according to the administering MD.

Details and related information is at

http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html

Good luck,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Could you be more specific about what exactly your wife tried and where you go

to get the treatment ?

The link you sent is interesting but it doesn't mention anything specific.

Leonie

rheumatic New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

Hi Group,

My wife , nne, has been battling Rheumatoid Arthritis for over

three years with varying success.

When the side effects from the antibiotics became more and more

problematic, we searched for other

options.

Fortunately, I found the so-called HOLISTIC BALANCED TREATMENT on the

web in a book by Dr. Null. It sounded promising and has all

the credentials of a well researched and tested protocol.

In addition to various publications by credible, outstanding MDs , the

treatment was tested with great success in a double-blind study with 373

patients of all ages. This all goes back to the 60 s and 70 s. The major

researcher, E. Liefmann, MD got

interested in this subject when he observed that women with RA would

lose the disease when they got pregnant

and it came right back after the baby was born. For this reason, he

studied the hormone situation. His treatment consists of taking

sublingual drops of hormone solutions

at various proportions, which are individually adjusted according to the

response.

To make a long story short, my wife tried it and within _three days_ the

swelling of her hands, pain and stiffness started

to fade. She is now two weeks into the program and is practically normal

!! Physical and mental.No major side effects. The only reaction is a

retracing (see Google

retracing/healing) which is sign of healing.

I realize that this is a rather short time of my wife's experience but

in view of the tremendous success, I do not want to wait any longer and make

everybody with RA aware of this phantastic treatment. This quick

response pattern is fairly typical according to the administering MD.

Details and related information is at

http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html

Good luck,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

The Liefmann protocol uses estradiol and testosterone.

________________________________________________________________________________\

__________________________________________________________________________

Ken and wrote:

>

> What hormones does she use?

>

> Thanks,

>

> rheumatic New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

>

> Hi Group,

> My wife , nne, has been battling Rheumatoid Arthritis for over

> three years with varying success.

> When the side effects from the antibiotics became more and more

> problematic, we searched for other

> options.

> Fortunately, I found the so-called HOLISTIC BALANCED TREATMENT on the

> web in a book by Dr. Null. It sounded promising and has all

> the credentials of a well researched and tested protocol.

> In addition to various publications by credible, outstanding MDs , the

> treatment was tested with great success in a double-blind study with 373

> patients of all ages. This all goes back to the 60 s and 70 s. The major

> researcher, E. Liefmann, MD got

> interested in this subject when he observed that women with RA would

> lose the disease when they got pregnant

> and it came right back after the baby was born. For this reason, he

> studied the hormone situation. His treatment consists of taking

> sublingual drops of hormone solutions

> at various proportions, which are individually adjusted according to the

> response.

> To make a long story short, my wife tried it and within _three days_ the

> swelling of her hands, pain and stiffness started

> to fade. She is now two weeks into the program and is practically normal

> !! Physical and mental.No major side effects. The only reaction is a

> retracing (see Google

> retracing/healing) which is sign of healing.

>

> I realize that this is a rather short time of my wife's experience but

> in view of the tremendous success, I do not want to wait any longer

> and make

> everybody with RA aware of this phantastic treatment. This quick

> response pattern is fairly typical according to the administering MD.

>

> Details and related information is at

> http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html

> <http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html>

>

> Good luck,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

oh gawd, another protocol we can go hunting for till the day we die, and

probably find out there's about 2 docs in the whole wide world that administer

it.

but, i'm so glad it worked for robert's wife and i think its worth looking into.

this will give me something else to research while i'm sitting here rotting

away. i always thought my hormones played a part in this disease.

Leonie

rheumatic New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

>

> Hi Group,

> My wife , nne, has been battling Rheumatoid Arthritis for over

> three years with varying success.

> When the side effects from the antibiotics became more and more

> problematic, we searched for other

> options.

> Fortunately, I found the so-called HOLISTIC BALANCED TREATMENT on the

> web in a book by Dr. Null. It sounded promising and has all

> the credentials of a well researched and tested protocol.

> In addition to various publications by credible, outstanding MDs , the

> treatment was tested with great success in a double-blind study with 373

> patients of all ages. This all goes back to the 60 s and 70 s. The major

> researcher, E. Liefmann, MD got

> interested in this subject when he observed that women with RA would

> lose the disease when they got pregnant

> and it came right back after the baby was born. For this reason, he

> studied the hormone situation. His treatment consists of taking

> sublingual drops of hormone solutions

> at various proportions, which are individually adjusted according to the

> response.

> To make a long story short, my wife tried it and within _three days_ the

> swelling of her hands, pain and stiffness started

> to fade. She is now two weeks into the program and is practically normal

> !! Physical and mental.No major side effects. The only reaction is a

> retracing (see Google

> retracing/healing) which is sign of healing.

>

> I realize that this is a rather short time of my wife's experience but

> in view of the tremendous success, I do not want to wait any longer

> and make

> everybody with RA aware of this phantastic treatment. This quick

> response pattern is fairly typical according to the administering MD.

>

> Details and related information is at

> http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html

> <http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html>

>

> Good luck,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The first time I went into remission was after I got my free t3 hormone

up in the top 1/3 of the normal range. Before that, my free t3 hormone

was below the normal range. Anyway, doing that stopped all my pain & I

went off medication for 11 months. I didn't even need NSAID.

What I learned is that when free t3 gets low, the adrenals aren't able

to carry out their duties well... such as supporting the immune system.

So then the adrenals start to falter. Testing showed that my adrenal

hormones were very very low (including cortisol, progesterone,

testosterone). Apparently this is why prednisone (a synthetic cortisol

hormone) is prescribed to relieve pain.

Some how, taking the thyroid hormone did something to stop my awful pain

for 11 mos. I can't say my adrenal hormones got better - the ones that

were tested continued to stay low even after I got my free t3 up.

Amy

Ken and wrote:

>

> What hormones does she use?

>

> Thanks,

>

> rheumatic New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

>

> Hi Group,

> My wife , nne, has been battling Rheumatoid Arthritis for over

> three years with varying success.

> When the side effects from the antibiotics became more and more

> problematic, we searched for other

> options.

> Fortunately, I found the so-called HOLISTIC BALANCED TREATMENT on the

> web in a book by Dr. Null. It sounded promising and has all

> the credentials of a well researched and tested protocol.

> In addition to various publications by credible, outstanding MDs , the

> treatment was tested with great success in a double-blind study with 373

> patients of all ages. This all goes back to the 60 s and 70 s. The major

> researcher, E. Liefmann, MD got

> interested in this subject when he observed that women with RA would

> lose the disease when they got pregnant

> and it came right back after the baby was born. For this reason, he

> studied the hormone situation. His treatment consists of taking

> sublingual drops of hormone solutions

> at various proportions, which are individually adjusted according to the

> response.

> To make a long story short, my wife tried it and within _three days_ the

> swelling of her hands, pain and stiffness started

> to fade. She is now two weeks into the program and is practically normal

> !! Physical and mental.No major side effects. The only reaction is a

> retracing (see Google

> retracing/healing) which is sign of healing.

>

> I realize that this is a rather short time of my wife's experience but

> in view of the tremendous success, I do not want to wait any longer

> and make

> everybody with RA aware of this phantastic treatment. This quick

> response pattern is fairly typical according to the administering MD.

>

> Details and related information is at

> http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html

> <http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html>

>

> Good luck,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Where do you get the meds? Is there a list of Drs. that practice this

protocol? Does the Null book tell you how much to use? Thanks, El

_____

From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf

Of Wiesboeck

Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:27 PM

rheumatic

Subject: Re: rheumatic New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

Hi ,

The Liefmann protocol uses estradiol and testosterone.

__________________________________________________________

Ken and wrote:

>

> What hormones does she use?

>

> Thanks,

>

> rheumatic New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

>

> Hi Group,

> My wife , nne, has been battling Rheumatoid Arthritis for over

> three years with varying success.

> When the side effects from the antibiotics became more and more

> problematic, we searched for other

> options.

> Fortunately, I found the so-called HOLISTIC BALANCED TREATMENT on the

> web in a book by Dr. Null. It sounded promising and has all

> the credentials of a well researched and tested protocol.

> In addition to various publications by credible, outstanding MDs , the

> treatment was tested with great success in a double-blind study with 373

> patients of all ages. This all goes back to the 60 s and 70 s. The major

> researcher, E. Liefmann, MD got

> interested in this subject when he observed that women with RA would

> lose the disease when they got pregnant

> and it came right back after the baby was born. For this reason, he

> studied the hormone situation. His treatment consists of taking

> sublingual drops of hormone solutions

> at various proportions, which are individually adjusted according to the

> response.

> To make a long story short, my wife tried it and within _three days_ the

> swelling of her hands, pain and stiffness started

> to fade. She is now two weeks into the program and is practically normal

> !! Physical and mental.No major side effects. The only reaction is a

> retracing (see Google

> retracing/healing) which is sign of healing.

>

> I realize that this is a rather short time of my wife's experience but

> in view of the tremendous success, I do not want to wait any longer

> and make

> everybody with RA aware of this phantastic treatment. This quick

> response pattern is fairly typical according to the administering MD.

>

> Details and related information is at

> http://www.stoparth <http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html>

ritis.com/null.html

> <http://www.stoparth <http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html>

ritis.com/null.html>

>

> Good luck,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It seems there are many areas that need attention when our bodies are

'skewed' (or diseased?).

I rather like Dr. Teitelbaum's position that we must try to correct all

areas... nutritional deficiencies, hormonal imbalances, and stealth

infections. He doesn't think we should just work on one area. ... but

that we need to work on every area that is out of whack.

My hormones dropped to very very low levels. Taking low dose of

hormones for those were very low have helped a lot for energy. I don't

mean to say that they are everything... but doing this really did seem

to be another piece in the total picture.

Amy

leonie cent wrote:

>

> oh gawd, another protocol we can go hunting for till the day we die,

> and probably find out there's about 2 docs in the whole wide world

> that administer it.

>

> but, i'm so glad it worked for robert's wife and i think its worth

> looking into. this will give me something else to research while i'm

> sitting here rotting away. i always thought my hormones played a part

> in this disease.

>

> Leonie

>

[Guest guest]

Good morning Leonie,Is it not ironic that a lot more women get these

diseases somewhere around menopause time? Sure makes one consider

homones as eing involved with our problems.This applies to men also

..Let's blame it all on getting older . hehehe

leonie cent wrote:

> oh gawd, another protocol we can go hunting for till the day we die,

> and probably find out there's about 2 docs in the whole wide world

> that administer it.

>

> but, i'm so glad it worked for robert's wife and i think its worth

> looking into. this will give me something else to research while i'm

> sitting here rotting away. i always thought my hormones played a part

> in this disease.

>

> Leonie

>

> rheumatic New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

> >

> > Hi Group,

> > My wife , nne, has been battling Rheumatoid Arthritis for over

> > three years with varying success.

> > When the side effects from the antibiotics became more and more

> > problematic, we searched for other

> > options.

> > Fortunately, I found the so-called HOLISTIC BALANCED TREATMENT on the

> > web in a book by Dr. Null. It sounded promising and has all

> > the credentials of a well researched and tested protocol.

> > In addition to various publications by credible, outstanding MDs , the

> > treatment was tested with great success in a double-blind study with 373

> > patients of all ages. This all goes back to the 60 s and 70 s. The major

> > researcher, E. Liefmann, MD got

> > interested in this subject when he observed that women with RA would

> > lose the disease when they got pregnant

> > and it came right back after the baby was born. For this reason, he

> > studied the hormone situation. His treatment consists of taking

> > sublingual drops of hormone solutions

> > at various proportions, which are individually adjusted according to the

> > response.

> > To make a long story short, my wife tried it and within _three days_ the

> > swelling of her hands, pain and stiffness started

> > to fade. She is now two weeks into the program and is practically normal

> > !! Physical and mental.No major side effects. The only reaction is a

> > retracing (see Google

> > retracing/healing) which is sign of healing.

> >

> > I realize that this is a rather short time of my wife's experience but

> > in view of the tremendous success, I do not want to wait any longer

> > and make

> > everybody with RA aware of this phantastic treatment. This quick

> > response pattern is fairly typical according to the administering MD.

> >

> > Details and related information is at

> > http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html

> <http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html>

> > <http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html

> <http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html>>

> >

> > Good luck,

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi:

I would love to find out about any physician using this protocal in the

MO/KS areas.

Thanks,

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In a message dated 2/4/2008 5:38:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lfriedman5@... writes:

> I've met so

> many people with AVN from prednisone

Hi -

I'm a newcomer and don't know these acronyms. What is " AVN " ????

Txs!

Jan

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

This is a bit like what they're doing out at UCLA for MS. They are using high

dose estradiol

and progesterone in women with MS. It mimics pregnancy and puts the patien into

remission. The first study showed an 80% reduction in brain lesions! That is

so much

better than any med on the market today and it is cheap and safe.

Why not try that with RA? It seems like it should work. I called the center in

Florida today.

The receptionist told me they use prednisone too. Not just hormone therapy.

I've met so

many people with AVN from prednisone, it doesn't sound like a good thing to me.

Who

knows, maybe we'll have a chance at hormone therapy from UCLA one day. Sorry

guys,

this only works on women.

Keep us posted , I'm so happy to hear your wife is feeling better.

> >

> > What hormones does she use?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > rheumatic New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

> >

> > Hi Group,

> > My wife , nne, has been battling Rheumatoid Arthritis for over

> > three years with varying success.

> > When the side effects from the antibiotics became more and more

> > problematic, we searched for other

> > options.

> > Fortunately, I found the so-called HOLISTIC BALANCED TREATMENT on the

> > web in a book by Dr. Null. It sounded promising and has all

> > the credentials of a well researched and tested protocol.

> > In addition to various publications by credible, outstanding MDs , the

> > treatment was tested with great success in a double-blind study with 373

> > patients of all ages. This all goes back to the 60 s and 70 s. The major

> > researcher, E. Liefmann, MD got

> > interested in this subject when he observed that women with RA would

> > lose the disease when they got pregnant

> > and it came right back after the baby was born. For this reason, he

> > studied the hormone situation. His treatment consists of taking

> > sublingual drops of hormone solutions

> > at various proportions, which are individually adjusted according to the

> > response.

> > To make a long story short, my wife tried it and within _three days_ the

> > swelling of her hands, pain and stiffness started

> > to fade. She is now two weeks into the program and is practically normal

> > !! Physical and mental.No major side effects. The only reaction is a

> > retracing (see Google

> > retracing/healing) which is sign of healing.

> >

> > I realize that this is a rather short time of my wife's experience but

> > in view of the tremendous success, I do not want to wait any longer

> > and make

> > everybody with RA aware of this phantastic treatment. This quick

> > response pattern is fairly typical according to the administering MD.

> >

> > Details and related information is at

> > http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html

> > <http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html>

> >

> > Good luck,

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

is it safe? what about breast cancer in response to various hormones.

(speaking from experience).

>Hi ,

>

>This is a bit like what they're doing out at UCLA for MS. They are

>using high dose estradiol

>and progesterone in women with MS. It mimics pregnancy and puts the

>patien into

>remission. The first study showed an 80% reduction in brain lesions!

>That is so much

>better than any med on the market today and it is cheap and safe.

>

>Why not try that with RA? It seems like it should work. I called the

>center in Florida today.

>The receptionist told me they use prednisone too. Not just hormone

>therapy. I've met so

>many people with AVN from prednisone, it doesn't sound like a good

>thing to me. Who

>knows, maybe we'll have a chance at hormone therapy from UCLA one

>day. Sorry guys,

>this only works on women.

>

>Keep us posted , I'm so happy to hear your wife is feeling better.

>

>

>

>> >

>> > What hormones does she use?

>> >

>> > Thanks,

>> >

>> > rheumatic New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

>> >

>> > Hi Group,

>> > My wife , nne, has been battling Rheumatoid Arthritis for over

>> > three years with varying success.

>> > When the side effects from the antibiotics became more and more

>> > problematic, we searched for other

>> > options.

>> > Fortunately, I found the so-called HOLISTIC BALANCED TREATMENT on the

>> > web in a book by Dr. Null. It sounded promising and has all

>> > the credentials of a well researched and tested protocol.

>> > In addition to various publications by credible, outstanding MDs , the

>> > treatment was tested with great success in a double-blind study with 373

>> > patients of all ages. This all goes back to the 60 s and 70 s. The major

>> > researcher, E. Liefmann, MD got

>> > interested in this subject when he observed that women with RA would

>> > lose the disease when they got pregnant

>> > and it came right back after the baby was born. For this reason, he

>> > studied the hormone situation. His treatment consists of taking

>> > sublingual drops of hormone solutions

>> > at various proportions, which are individually adjusted according to the

>> > response.

>> > To make a long story short, my wife tried it and within _three days_ the

>> > swelling of her hands, pain and stiffness started

>> > to fade. She is now two weeks into the program and is practically normal

>> > !! Physical and mental.No major side effects. The only reaction is a

>> > retracing (see Google

>> > retracing/healing) which is sign of healing.

>> >

>> > I realize that this is a rather short time of my wife's experience but

>> > in view of the tremendous success, I do not want to wait any longer

>> > and make

>> > everybody with RA aware of this phantastic treatment. This quick

>> > response pattern is fairly typical according to the administering MD.

>> >

>> > Details and related information is at

>> >

>><http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html>http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html

>> >

>><<http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html>http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.htm\

l>

>> >

>> > Good luck,

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

With the allopathic doctors being brain-washed about any non-patented

medicine and the big kickback from the

manufacturers of $1,300/month TNF blockers, you have to search among

alternative doctors to get the Liefmann treatment.

It is similar to the AP situation, where you have to talk to several

doctors to find one who is open minded.

I think you can forget about the rheumatologists. Most are under the

control of the rheumatology board.

Anyway, if you contact www.stoparthritis.com they will send you

medical back-up information you can

take to your doctor to educate him/her. You probably will be most

successful with a family doctor with

whom you have a good relationship.

I don't know of a listing for doctors applying the Liefman protocol.

Maybe akam.org can help.

Good Luck,

________________________________________________________________________________\

____________________________

kjdel1977@... wrote:

>

> Hi:

>

> I would love to find out about any physician using this protocal in the

> MO/KS areas.

>

> Thanks,

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Leonie,

I share your frustration but this is a result of our profit-driven

medical system. As you know ,the product with the highest

profit margin wins; at least with most doctors.

Contact www.stoparthritis.com and request information you can take to

your doctor. I always find it absurd that we have

to pay our doctors to educate them on good treatments.

Good Luck,

leonie cent wrote:

>

> oh gawd, another protocol we can go hunting for till the day we die,

> and probably find out there's about 2 docs in the whole wide world

> that administer it.

>

> but, i'm so glad it worked for robert's wife and i think its worth

> looking into. this will give me something else to research while i'm

> sitting here rotting away. i always thought my hormones played a part

> in this disease.

>

> Leonie

>

> rheumatic New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

> >

> > Hi Group,

> > My wife , nne, has been battling Rheumatoid Arthritis for over

> > three years with varying success.

> > When the side effects from the antibiotics became more and more

> > problematic, we searched for other

> > options.

> > Fortunately, I found the so-called HOLISTIC BALANCED TREATMENT on the

> > web in a book by Dr. Null. It sounded promising and has all

> > the credentials of a well researched and tested protocol.

> > In addition to various publications by credible, outstanding MDs , the

> > treatment was tested with great success in a double-blind study with 373

> > patients of all ages. This all goes back to the 60 s and 70 s. The major

> > researcher, E. Liefmann, MD got

> > interested in this subject when he observed that women with RA would

> > lose the disease when they got pregnant

> > and it came right back after the baby was born. For this reason, he

> > studied the hormone situation. His treatment consists of taking

> > sublingual drops of hormone solutions

> > at various proportions, which are individually adjusted according to the

> > response.

> > To make a long story short, my wife tried it and within _three days_ the

> > swelling of her hands, pain and stiffness started

> > to fade. She is now two weeks into the program and is practically normal

> > !! Physical and mental.No major side effects. The only reaction is a

> > retracing (see Google

> > retracing/healing) which is sign of healing.

> >

> > I realize that this is a rather short time of my wife's experience but

> > in view of the tremendous success, I do not want to wait any longer

> > and make

> > everybody with RA aware of this phantastic treatment. This quick

> > response pattern is fairly typical according to the administering MD.

> >

> > Details and related information is at

> > http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html

> <http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html>

> > <http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html

> <http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html>>

> >

> > Good luck,

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes , you've hit the nail on the head. thanks again for sharing your

knowledge with us.

Best,

Leonie

rheumatic New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

> >

> > Hi Group,

> > My wife , nne, has been battling Rheumatoid Arthritis for over

> > three years with varying success.

> > When the side effects from the antibiotics became more and more

> > problematic, we searched for other

> > options.

> > Fortunately, I found the so-called HOLISTIC BALANCED TREATMENT on the

> > web in a book by Dr. Null. It sounded promising and has all

> > the credentials of a well researched and tested protocol.

> > In addition to various publications by credible, outstanding MDs , the

> > treatment was tested with great success in a double-blind study with 373

> > patients of all ages. This all goes back to the 60 s and 70 s. The major

> > researcher, E. Liefmann, MD got

> > interested in this subject when he observed that women with RA would

> > lose the disease when they got pregnant

> > and it came right back after the baby was born. For this reason, he

> > studied the hormone situation. His treatment consists of taking

> > sublingual drops of hormone solutions

> > at various proportions, which are individually adjusted according to the

> > response.

> > To make a long story short, my wife tried it and within _three days_ the

> > swelling of her hands, pain and stiffness started

> > to fade. She is now two weeks into the program and is practically normal

> > !! Physical and mental.No major side effects. The only reaction is a

> > retracing (see Google

> > retracing/healing) which is sign of healing.

> >

> > I realize that this is a rather short time of my wife's experience but

> > in view of the tremendous success, I do not want to wait any longer

> > and make

> > everybody with RA aware of this phantastic treatment. This quick

> > response pattern is fairly typical according to the administering MD.

> >

> > Details and related information is at

> > http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html

> <http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html>

> > <http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html

> <http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html>>

> >

> > Good luck,

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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rheumatic@...: Janiceesher@...: Mon, 4 Feb 2008

21:22:48 -0500Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

In a message dated 2/4/2008 5:38:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lfriedman5@... writes: > I've met so > many people with AVN from

prednisoneHi - I'm a newcomer and don't know these acronyms. What is

" AVN " ????Txs!Jan

[Guest guest]

Just my opinion here... but here's what I think

1) Hormones have to be bio-identical. So many of the problems have been

found based on pharmaceutical synthetic hormones.

2) It's good to be TESTED to see if there are hormonal deficiencies or

excesses. For instance, I am estrogen dominant... which means I already

have enough estrogen thankyouverymuch. :-) Actually, in my case, it

means that my other hormones tested very low compared with estrogen,

which was the only thing that wasn't low. Balancing hormones means

trying to avoid being too high in some while others are low.

3) Some doctors do not test and go by symptoms alone... which might be

OK. Because if the benefits were like 's wife, you just can't

argue with that!! Specialty hormone doctors always test.

4) In cases of illness, I think hormones shouldn't be ignored. I think

they should be at least considered.

Amy

Esther Warkov wrote:

>

> is it safe? what about breast cancer in response to various hormones.

> (speaking from experience).

>

>

[Guest guest]

, this is fascinating. I don't think you can get estradiol over the

internet - can you? I didn't think it was cheap either. A doc gave me

a compounded cream of estradiol - (he did not know that I didn't need

it) and I don't recall the cost exactly, but I didn't think it was

'cheap'.

Amy

savannahhipchick wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> This is a bit like what they're doing out at UCLA for MS. They are

> using high dose estradiol

> and progesterone in women with MS. It mimics pregnancy and puts the

> patien into

> remission. The first study showed an 80% reduction in brain lesions!

> That is so much

> better than any med on the market today and it is cheap and safe.

>

> Why not try that with RA? It seems like it should work. I called the

> center in Florida today.

> The receptionist told me they use prednisone too. Not just hormone

> therapy. I've met so

> many people with AVN from prednisone, it doesn't sound like a good

> thing to me. Who

> knows, maybe we'll have a chance at hormone therapy from UCLA one day.

> Sorry guys,

> this only works on women.

>

> Keep us posted , I'm so happy to hear your wife is feeling better.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry if someone has already pointed this out but to mimic pregnancy is

to shut down the immune system. This is what a woman's body does in

order to hold onto a fetus and not treat it as a foreign substance.

________________________________

From: rheumatic

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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:54 AM

rheumatic

Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

, this is fascinating. I don't think you can get estradiol

over the

internet - can you? I didn't think it was cheap either. A doc

gave me

a compounded cream of estradiol - (he did not know that I didn't

need

it) and I don't recall the cost exactly, but I didn't think it

was

'cheap'.

Amy

savannahhipchick wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> This is a bit like what they're doing out at UCLA for MS. They

are

> using high dose estradiol

> and progesterone in women with MS. It mimics pregnancy and

puts the

> patien into

> remission. The first study showed an 80% reduction in brain

lesions!

> That is so much

> better than any med on the market today and it is cheap and

safe.

>

> Why not try that with RA? It seems like it should work. I

called the

> center in Florida today.

> The receptionist told me they use prednisone too. Not just

hormone

> therapy. I've met so

> many people with AVN from prednisone, it doesn't sound like a

good

> thing to me. Who

> knows, maybe we'll have a chance at hormone therapy from UCLA

one day.

> Sorry guys,

> this only works on women.

>

> Keep us posted , I'm so happy to hear your wife is

feeling better.

>

>

>

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My understanding is that taking most hormones will suppress the body's

own making of the hormone. At least, I know this to be true of thyroid

and cortisol (prednisone). This seems to be the point of Enbrel and

Humira, which act as immunosuppressants. Perhaps Methotrexate too?

I'm not sure.

Amy

Bradley, Roneice wrote:

>

> Sorry if someone has already pointed this out but to mimic pregnancy is

> to shut down the immune system. This is what a woman's body does in

> order to hold onto a fetus and not treat it as a foreign substance.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Amy,

No, UCLA is using a high dose of estradiol. They say the dangers of high-dose

estrogen is

minimized by the progesterone. Self-medicationg with that stuff would be

dangerous I

think. But I do wish they'd test it in rheumatology patients.

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > This is a bit like what they're doing out at UCLA for MS. They

> are

> > using high dose estradiol

> > and progesterone in women with MS. It mimics pregnancy and

> puts the

> > patien into

> > remission. The first study showed an 80% reduction in brain

> lesions!

> > That is so much

> > better than any med on the market today and it is cheap and

> safe.

> >

> > Why not try that with RA? It seems like it should work. I

> called the

> > center in Florida today.

> > The receptionist told me they use prednisone too. Not just

> hormone

> > therapy. I've met so

> > many people with AVN from prednisone, it doesn't sound like a

> good

> > thing to me. Who

> > knows, maybe we'll have a chance at hormone therapy from UCLA

> one day.

> > Sorry guys,

> > this only works on women.

> >

> > Keep us posted , I'm so happy to hear your wife is

> feeling better.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I like that information. It's consistent with what else I've been

reading (that est. is safe when used with prog. ... P & E oppose each

other keeping each other in balance). I find this very interesting.

I just googled to read more about this. More than one study going on, I

think. I didn't find the progesterone one yet. They all mention

applying this to a variety of auto immune diseases (such as RA).

Here's one using " estriol " (a bit different from the estradiol that you

mentioned). This study is also using a new DMARD called Copaxone.

http://www.nationalmssociety.org/site/PageServer?pagename=HOM_RES_research_2007j\

un8

Here's a page for the guys that says:

Another area of investigation includes understanding why males are less

susceptible than females to multiple sclerosis. Having shown that male

mice are less susceptible to EAE [autoimmune encephalomyelitis] than

female mice, Voskuhl's laboratory is using this model to unravel

mechanisms underlying gender related differences in susceptibility.

Testosterone has been clearly shown to be protective in EAE. A trial in

which supplemental testosterone will be given to male MS patients is

planned.

http://faculty.neuroscience.ucla.edu/institution/personnel?personnel_id=9327

Amy

savannahhipchick wrote:

>

> Hey Amy,

>

> No, UCLA is using a high dose of estradiol. They say the dangers of

> high-dose estrogen is minimized by the progesterone. Self-medicationg

> with that stuff would be dangerous I think. But I do wish they'd test

> it in rheumatology patients.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

very interesting ! thanks....

Re: rheumatic Re: New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

, this is fascinating. I don't think you can get estradiol

over the

internet - can you? I didn't think it was cheap either. A doc

gave me

a compounded cream of estradiol - (he did not know that I didn't

need

it) and I don't recall the cost exactly, but I didn't think it

was

'cheap'.

Amy

savannahhipchick wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> This is a bit like what they're doing out at UCLA for MS. They

are

> using high dose estradiol

> and progesterone in women with MS. It mimics pregnancy and

puts the

> patien into

> remission. The first study showed an 80% reduction in brain

lesions!

> That is so much

> better than any med on the market today and it is cheap and

safe.

>

> Why not try that with RA? It seems like it should work. I

called the

> center in Florida today.

> The receptionist told me they use prednisone too. Not just

hormone

> therapy. I've met so

> many people with AVN from prednisone, it doesn't sound like a

good

> thing to me. Who

> knows, maybe we'll have a chance at hormone therapy from UCLA

one day.

> Sorry guys,

> this only works on women.

>

> Keep us posted , I'm so happy to hear your wife is

feeling better.

>

>

>

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Hi Leonie,

I can not confirm or dispute the claim that pregnancy shuts down the

immune system

but it sure sounds strange. How come pregnant women are ususally

healthier than not ?

Nature usually protects new life rather than the other way around. Just

consider colostrum.

Anyway, one should not let this claim become an obstacle.

nne is still doing great on the Liefmann protocol.

leonie cent wrote:

>

> very interesting ! thanks....

>

> Re: rheumatic Re: New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

>

> , this is fascinating. I don't think you can get estradiol

> over the

> internet - can you? I didn't think it was cheap either. A doc

> gave me

> a compounded cream of estradiol - (he did not know that I didn't

> need

> it) and I don't recall the cost exactly, but I didn't think it

> was

> 'cheap'.

> Amy

>

> savannahhipchick wrote:

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > This is a bit like what they're doing out at UCLA for MS. They

> are

> > using high dose estradiol

> > and progesterone in women with MS. It mimics pregnancy and

> puts the

> > patien into

> > remission. The first study showed an 80% reduction in brain

> lesions!

> > That is so much

> > better than any med on the market today and it is cheap and

> safe.

> >

> > Why not try that with RA? It seems like it should work. I

> called the

> > center in Florida today.

> > The receptionist told me they use prednisone too. Not just

> hormone

> > therapy. I've met so

> > many people with AVN from prednisone, it doesn't sound like a

> good

> > thing to me. Who

> > knows, maybe we'll have a chance at hormone therapy from UCLA

> one day.

> > Sorry guys,

> > this only works on women.

> >

> > Keep us posted , I'm so happy to hear your wife is

> feeling better.

> >

> >

> >

>

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