New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

[Guest guest]

I don't believe that the Immune system shuts down during pregnancy, but rather

certain hormones come in to play to protect the unborn so that the mother does

not expell the baby as a foreign object. Remember, during gestation, this tiny

human is a host of the mother. If Mom also happens to have an illness that

affects the immune system, she begins to feel better. I'm not sure, but I think

the extra cortisol may be what does this. I'll have to read up more about this.

I've heard that after the birth of the child, when the hormones go back to a

normal state, mom usually has a rebound of the disease. I've had two

pregnancies and during both of them, I felt like wonder woman. Dolores

Wiesboeck <rawie@...> wrote: Hi Leonie,

I can not confirm or dispute the claim that pregnancy shuts down the

immune system

but it sure sounds strange. How come pregnant women are ususally

healthier than not ?

Nature usually protects new life rather than the other way around. Just

consider colostrum.

Anyway, one should not let this claim become an obstacle.

nne is still doing great on the Liefmann protocol.

leonie cent wrote:

>

> very interesting ! thanks....

>

> Re: rheumatic Re: New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

>

> , this is fascinating. I don't think you can get estradiol

> over the

> internet - can you? I didn't think it was cheap either. A doc

> gave me

> a compounded cream of estradiol - (he did not know that I didn't

> need

> it) and I don't recall the cost exactly, but I didn't think it

> was

> 'cheap'.

> Amy

>

> savannahhipchick wrote:

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > This is a bit like what they're doing out at UCLA for MS. They

> are

> > using high dose estradiol

> > and progesterone in women with MS. It mimics pregnancy and

> puts the

> > patien into

> > remission. The first study showed an 80% reduction in brain

> lesions!

> > That is so much

> > better than any med on the market today and it is cheap and

> safe.

> >

> > Why not try that with RA? It seems like it should work. I

> called the

> > center in Florida today.

> > The receptionist told me they use prednisone too. Not just

> hormone

> > therapy. I've met so

> > many people with AVN from prednisone, it doesn't sound like a

> good

> > thing to me. Who

> > knows, maybe we'll have a chance at hormone therapy from UCLA

> one day.

> > Sorry guys,

> > this only works on women.

> >

> > Keep us posted , I'm so happy to hear your wife is

> feeling better.

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm from the rheumatic group and saved your email. How is your wife going ?

Did the hormone treatment keep working ? I just started antibiotics last month,

after resisting for many years. However hormone treatment sounds interesting

and in my case, my mother who was quite unwell with " mystery illnesses " during

her liftetime, always got better when she was pregnant. If you still think the

therapy is worthwhile, could you give me more information eg who do you consult

to get the NBT treatments ? I'm in Australia.

all the best,

Leonie Cent

rheumatic New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

Hi Group,

My wife , nne, has been battling Rheumatoid Arthritis for over

three years with varying success.

When the side effects from the antibiotics became more and more

problematic, we searched for other

options.

Fortunately, I found the so-called HOLISTIC BALANCED TREATMENT on the

web in a book by Dr. Null. It sounded promising and has all

the credentials of a well researched and tested protocol.

In addition to various publications by credible, outstanding MDs , the

treatment was tested with great success in a double-blind study with 373

patients of all ages. This all goes back to the 60 s and 70 s. The major

researcher, E. Liefmann, MD got

interested in this subject when he observed that women with RA would

lose the disease when they got pregnant

and it came right back after the baby was born. For this reason, he

studied the hormone situation. His treatment consists of taking

sublingual drops of hormone solutions

at various proportions, which are individually adjusted according to the

response.

To make a long story short, my wife tried it and within _three days_ the

swelling of her hands, pain and stiffness started

to fade. She is now two weeks into the program and is practically normal

!! Physical and mental.No major side effects. The only reaction is a

retracing (see Google

retracing/healing) which is sign of healing.

I realize that this is a rather short time of my wife's experience but

in view of the tremendous success, I do not want to wait any longer and make

everybody with RA aware of this phantastic treatment. This quick

response pattern is fairly typical according to the administering MD.

Details and related information is at

http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html

Good luck,

[Guest guest]

Hi, !

Thanks for your fascinating post! I always wondered why researchers didn't

probe that relationship more deeply! I developed my first type of RA

(psoriatic) after the birth of my 3rd child. I was severely impaired for

about six months at which time I found I was pregnant with baby #4. I

stopped my meds, but to my amazement, I continued to improve throughout the

pregnancy. I stayed in remission until after the birth of baby #6. We

moved to Turkey immediately after her birth, and it wasn't long before I

flared. I discovered I was expecting again the day I forgot my pain pill

and didn't notice! I immediately bought a test and turned up positive.

Again, I stayed in remission for quite a while. It was until after the

birth of my youngest (#8) after a pregnancy involving a lot of stress and

five months of bedrest that I developed the first signs of RA. I always

assumed the remission was due to reduced immune activity during pregnancy,

but that doesn't really explain the prolonged remissions I would experience.

I will be interested to read about this info.

Blessings!

Terri

[Guest guest]

,

I am fascinated by this treatment. where does your wife get treatment? can

you put me in touch with her doctor?

Betsy

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Brett & Terri <tdowney2@...> wrote:

> Hi, !

>

> Thanks for your fascinating post! I always wondered why researchers didn't

> probe that relationship more deeply! I developed my first type of RA

> (psoriatic) after the birth of my 3rd child. I was severely impaired for

> about six months at which time I found I was pregnant with baby #4. I

> stopped my meds, but to my amazement, I continued to improve throughout the

> pregnancy. I stayed in remission until after the birth of baby #6. We

> moved to Turkey immediately after her birth, and it wasn't long before I

> flared. I discovered I was expecting again the day I forgot my pain pill

> and didn't notice! I immediately bought a test and turned up positive.

> Again, I stayed in remission for quite a while. It was until after the

> birth of my youngest (#8) after a pregnancy involving a lot of stress and

> five months of bedrest that I developed the first signs of RA. I always

> assumed the remission was due to reduced immune activity during pregnancy,

> but that doesn't really explain the prolonged remissions I would

> experience.

> I will be interested to read about this info.

>

> Blessings!

>

> Terri

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am not suggesting I have any insight into the merits of this (or much of

anything these days), but I have heard of Mr. Liefmann's name before in a less

than complimentary context. Only for consideration:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,827872,00.html?iid=chix-sphere

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,902465-2,00.html

Caveat emptor.....or as they say at the USDA......caveat venditor.

Jeff

rheumatic

From: leoniecent@...

Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:59:06 +1000

Subject: Re: rheumatic New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

Hi ,

I'm from the rheumatic group and saved your email. How is your wife going ?

Did the hormone treatment keep working ? I just started antibiotics last month,

after resisting for many years. However hormone treatment sounds interesting

and in my case, my mother who was quite unwell with " mystery illnesses " during

her liftetime, always got better when she was pregnant. If you still think the

therapy is worthwhile, could you give me more information eg who do you consult

to get the NBT treatments ? I'm in Australia.

all the best,

Leonie Cent

rheumatic New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

Hi Group,

My wife , nne, has been battling Rheumatoid Arthritis for over

three years with varying success.

When the side effects from the antibiotics became more and more

problematic, we searched for other

options.

Fortunately, I found the so-called HOLISTIC BALANCED TREATMENT on the

web in a book by Dr. Null. It sounded promising and has all

the credentials of a well researched and tested protocol.

In addition to various publications by credible, outstanding MDs , the

treatment was tested with great success in a double-blind study with 373

patients of all ages. This all goes back to the 60 s and 70 s. The major

researcher, E. Liefmann, MD got

interested in this subject when he observed that women with RA would

lose the disease when they got pregnant

and it came right back after the baby was born. For this reason, he

studied the hormone situation. His treatment consists of taking

sublingual drops of hormone solutions

at various proportions, which are individually adjusted according to the

response.

To make a long story short, my wife tried it and within _three days_ the

swelling of her hands, pain and stiffness started

to fade. She is now two weeks into the program and is practically normal

!! Physical and mental.No major side effects. The only reaction is a

retracing (see Google

retracing/healing) which is sign of healing.

I realize that this is a rather short time of my wife's experience but

in view of the tremendous success, I do not want to wait any longer and make

everybody with RA aware of this phantastic treatment. This quick

response pattern is fairly typical according to the administering MD.

Details and related information is at

http://www.stoparthritis.com/null.html

Good luck,

[Guest guest]

Hi Leonie,

It was nice to hear from you. It goes back to the old times, for us.

Fortunately, RA is a thing of the past

for nne. Although she still needs the hormone drops, her RA

symptoms are gone and she feels fine.

She still is lacking somewhat in energy but that may be related to

other things, and being 76 puts on some

limitations too. We like to think it should go back to what is was 10

and 20 years ago (don't we wish).

Anyway, the hormone treatment of RA (this means RA only) is according to

my wife's experience a dream

come true. As I mentioned earlier, there are no problematic side effects

and the treatment is so fast, painless and

without bad feelings. No Herx, no stomach problems, no immune issues,

nothing !! nne was so glad

to get off all the medications and pain killers. Her nutrition is on the

healthy side ( limitted dairy, very little sugar)but nothing extreme.

In the application of the Liefmann Protocol, the sublinqual hormone

drops are taken three times a day and as the picture improves

the dose is gradually reduced. After four months, she switched to twice

a day which is her present routine.

By now, she is at about 40% of the initial dose.

Similar to the AP, the treatment is guided by symptoms. If the dose is

reduced too much ,RA symptoms like

finger stiffness comes back. The ability to make a closed fist is a good

indicator.

The hormone dose is similarly guided by symptoms and feeling. There is a

list of symptoms for estrogen and

testosterone being to high or too low and it is easily corrected.

Ever since nne is on the Liefmann protocol all her lab data are

back to normal.

Osteo arthritis is also controlled by the Liefmann protocol !

Now the prime question, estrogen and hormone related cancers. I

thoroughly studied this aspect for obvious reasons and came up with

some surprising and reassuring information. First of all, the overall

treatment of about 23,000 patients with the

Liefmann treatment showed no problems with cancer.

A literature survey revealed that testosterone has preventive and

protective properties when it comes to " female "

cancers. In a study at the Lousiana Menopause Clinic, 4000 women were

treated with testosterone supplementation.

In the well documented study, the group taking testosterone had a

cancer rate of less than half (46%) than that

of the control group.

Also, RA patients (male and female) typically have a subnormal

testosterone level.

To insure safety from cancer in general, nne applies dermal

Progesterone ( 100 mg /day) to avoid estrogen

dominance, takes DIM (di-indolylmethane) and eats many brassica

vegetables (broccoli) to control the 2/16 metabolite

ratio. See: http://www.tahoma-clinic.com/hrtbreastcancer.shtml

Leonie, being in Australia it would be best if you find a cooperative

doctor (your family doctor is probably the best choice,

rheumatologists are the worst) who is willing to help you and contact

stoparthritis.com for info. They will work with your

doctor and provide all the info he/she needs.

Good luck,

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> ,___

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeff,

Your 'perception' of Dr. Liefmann's name in connection with less than

complimentary comments

is correct. This was caused because Dr. Liefmann interfered with the

comfortable income of too

many rheumatologists and mainly the pharmaceutical industry which

enjoyed a life-time customer

with every suffering patient. Due to the ineffective treatments, the

sufferers of rheumatoid arthritis had no

choice but take anything that would reduce the pain, no matter what the

cost and side effects.

The accusation of Dr. Liefmann as a quack is typical, when one wants to

bad-mouth serious competition and has no other

valid argument.

*_Facts:_ * E. Liefmann, MD, C.M. graduated from Hopkins

University (Summa cum Laudae) and

McGill University Medical School, Montreal, Canada. He did research on

endocrine-based diseases and focused

on rheumatoid arthritis. Later he was invited to the Stockholm

University Hospital, Sweden, where he confirmed

his earlier work with Hospital patients and published the results of a

year's study in the ActaMedica Scandinavia.

After his return to Montreal he continued his research and treated many

patients who all came to him from everywhere.

The success of this treatment brought the full force of opposition from

rheumatologists and the pharmaceutical

industry which saw their lucrative market melting away.

One example serves to show the vicious and underhanded way by which they

tried to eliminate him.

His antagonists waited for a day when Dr Liefmann was out of town and

sent two bogus clients to

his office. They pretended to have severe rheumatoid pains and pleaded

with the staff to give them a small

sample of medication, which they did. Promptly, within several days the

local physician board tried to revoke his license

for letting unqualified staff members treat patients.

Next, the local licensing board claimed there were no papers on file

substantiating his qualifications and he could not practice in

Quebec Province. After Dr. Liefmann hired a competent lawyer, the papers

were miraculously found !

In a court deposition Dr. Liefmann expessed his frustration by stating

" I feel like I am rushing into a stone wall,

battling the backward, obstructive and Dam-the-Public Arthritis

Societies, Government Agencies, Medical Organizations,

and Drug Industry Cartells, all one big Combine, in many instances

operating for maximum profits and minimum health " .

In a way, the Liefmann story is a depressing example of how our health

care system operates. From what I see, nothing has

changed. It is probably worse ( see Wyeth/FDA and Estriol blocking in

the US, while they advertise it in Europe!)

As far as my wife's experience with the Liefmann Protocol is concerned,

she is doing very well ( no beard !!!).

.. All her lab data are normal and for her RA is practically a thing of

the past although she still needs to take

a small amount of the hormone drops.

You were able to find publications back from the sixties. I wonder

whether you could locate a book titled

THE LIEFMANN EDOCRINE BALANCE RATIONALE, second printing 1967. I have no

publisher.

Another interesting book is ARTHRITIS DISCOVERY, The life story of Dr.

Liefmann published by Commonwealth

Publishing Co. Ltd, Freeport Bahamas; 1971

Jeffery wrote:

>

>

> I am not suggesting I have any insight into the merits of this (or

> much of anything these days), but I have heard of Mr. Liefmann's name

> before in a less than complimentary context. Only for consideration:

>

>

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,827872,00.html?iid=chix-sphere

>

<http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,827872,00.html?iid=chix-sphere\

>

>

> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,902465-2,00.html

> <http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,902465-2,00.html>

>

> Caveat emptor.....or as they say at the USDA......caveat venditor.

>

> Jeff

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

Hi, . I just love reading all this good news. Can you tell me

where you get the hormone drops. Are these sublingual or transdermal?

Is it a prescription?

I know they are doing studies on hormones for RA, but it takes the

medical community so long to get anywhere. I think there are many

people that could be helped. Not everyone, but certainly some. Dr.

Simeons writes about this hormone effect in his book called Pounds and

Inches. This is a free book on the internet.

I can vouch for having low testosterone. I'm taking testosterone cream

and progesterone. One thing that had definitely been helping me lately

is vitamin K. I take a bunch, and if I don't take it, pains start to

come back.

Amy

Wiesboeck wrote:

>

> Hi Leonie,

>

> It was nice to hear from you. It goes back to the old times, for us.

> Fortunately, RA is a thing of the past

> for nne. Although she still needs the hormone drops, her RA

> symptoms are gone and she feels fine.

> She still is lacking somewhat in energy but that may be related to

> other things, and being 76 puts on some

> limitations too. We like to think it should go back to what is was 10

> and 20 years ago (don't we wish).

>

> Anyway, the hormone treatment of RA (this means RA only) is according to

> my wife's experience a dream

> come true. As I mentioned earlier, there are no problematic side effects

> and the treatment is so fast, painless and

> without bad feelings. No Herx, no stomach problems, no immune issues,

> nothing !! nne was so glad

> to get off all the medications and pain killers. Her nutrition is on the

> healthy side ( limitted dairy, very little sugar)but nothing extreme.

>

> In the application of the Liefmann Protocol, the sublinqual hormone

> drops are taken three times a day and as the picture improves

> the dose is gradually reduced. After four months, she switched to twice

> a day which is her present routine.

> By now, she is at about 40% of the initial dose.

>

> Similar to the AP, the treatment is guided by symptoms. If the dose is

> reduced too much ,RA symptoms like

> finger stiffness comes back. The ability to make a closed fist is a good

> indicator.

>

> The hormone dose is similarly guided by symptoms and feeling. There is a

> list of symptoms for estrogen and

> testosterone being to high or too low and it is easily corrected.

> Ever since nne is on the Liefmann protocol all her lab data are

> back to normal.

> Osteo arthritis is also controlled by the Liefmann protocol !

>

> Now the prime question, estrogen and hormone related cancers. I

> thoroughly studied this aspect for obvious reasons and came up with

> some surprising and reassuring information. First of all, the overall

> treatment of about 23,000 patients with the

> Liefmann treatment showed no problems with cancer.

> A literature survey revealed that testosterone has preventive and

> protective properties when it comes to " female "

> cancers. In a study at the Lousiana Menopause Clinic, 4000 women were

> treated with testosterone supplementation.

> In the well documented study, the group taking testosterone had a

> cancer rate of less than half (46%) than that

> of the control group.

> Also, RA patients (male and female) typically have a subnormal

> testosterone level.

>

> To insure safety from cancer in general, nne applies dermal

> Progesterone ( 100 mg /day) to avoid estrogen

> dominance, takes DIM (di-indolylmethane) and eats many brassica

> vegetables (broccoli) to control the 2/16 metabolite

> ratio. See: http://www.tahoma-clinic.com/hrtbreastcancer.shtml

> <http://www.tahoma-clinic.com/hrtbreastcancer.shtml>

>

> Leonie, being in Australia it would be best if you find a cooperative

> doctor (your family doctor is probably the best choice,

> rheumatologists are the worst) who is willing to help you and contact

> stoparthritis.com for info. They will work with your

> doctor and provide all the info he/she needs.

>

> Good luck,

>

>

>

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>

> > ,___

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Amy,

You certainly responded in a hurry.

Your questions:

1) The hormone drops are available from most any

compounding pharmacy. We get ours from Weise Pharmacy, ville, FL

2) A doctor has to prescribe the sublinqual drops.

3) You can contact Arthritis Consulting Services (stoparthritis.com)

for info for you and your doctor.

Good Luck,

Amy wrote:

>

> Hi, . I just love reading all this good news. Can you tell me

> where you get the hormone drops. Are these sublingual or transdermal?

> Is it a prescription?

>

> I know they are doing studies on hormones for RA, but it takes the

> medical community so long to get anywhere. I think there are many

> people that could be helped. Not everyone, but certainly some. Dr.

> Simeons writes about this hormone effect in his book called Pounds and

> Inches. This is a free book on the internet.

>

> I can vouch for having low testosterone. I'm taking testosterone cream

> and progesterone. One thing that had definitely been helping me lately

> is vitamin K. I take a bunch, and if I don't take it, pains start to

> come back.

>

> Amy

>

> Wiesboeck wrote:

> >

> > Hi Leonie,

> >

> > It was nice to hear from you. It goes back to the old times, for us.

> > Fortunately, RA is a thing of the past

> > for nne. Although she still needs the hormone drops, her RA

> > symptoms are gone and she feels fine.

> > She still is lacking somewhat in energy but that may be related to

> > other things, and being 76 puts on some

> > limitations too. We like to think it should go back to what is was 10

> > and 20 years ago (don't we wish).

> >

> > Anyway, the hormone treatment of RA (this means RA only) is according to

> > my wife's experience a dream

> > come true. As I mentioned earlier, there are no problematic side effects

> > and the treatment is so fast, painless and

> > without bad feelings. No Herx, no stomach problems, no immune issues,

> > nothing !! nne was so glad

> > to get off all the medications and pain killers. Her nutrition is on the

> > healthy side ( limitted dairy, very little sugar)but nothing extreme.

> >

> > In the application of the Liefmann Protocol, the sublinqual hormone

> > drops are taken three times a day and as the picture improves

> > the dose is gradually reduced. After four months, she switched to twice

> > a day which is her present routine.

> > By now, she is at about 40% of the initial dose.

> >

> > Similar to the AP, the treatment is guided by symptoms. If the dose is

> > reduced too much ,RA symptoms like

> > finger stiffness comes back. The ability to make a closed fist is a good

> > indicator.

> >

> > The hormone dose is similarly guided by symptoms and feeling. There is a

> > list of symptoms for estrogen and

> > testosterone being to high or too low and it is easily corrected.

> > Ever since nne is on the Liefmann protocol all her lab data are

> > back to normal.

> > Osteo arthritis is also controlled by the Liefmann protocol !

> >

> > Now the prime question, estrogen and hormone related cancers. I

> > thoroughly studied this aspect for obvious reasons and came up with

> > some surprising and reassuring information. First of all, the overall

> > treatment of about 23,000 patients with the

> > Liefmann treatment showed no problems with cancer.

> > A literature survey revealed that testosterone has preventive and

> > protective properties when it comes to " female "

> > cancers. In a study at the Lousiana Menopause Clinic, 4000 women were

> > treated with testosterone supplementation.

> > In the well documented study, the group taking testosterone had a

> > cancer rate of less than half (46%) than that

> > of the control group.

> > Also, RA patients (male and female) typically have a subnormal

> > testosterone level.

> >

> > To insure safety from cancer in general, nne applies dermal

> > Progesterone ( 100 mg /day) to avoid estrogen

> > dominance, takes DIM (di-indolylmethane) and eats many brassica

> > vegetables (broccoli) to control the 2/16 metabolite

> > ratio. See: http://www.tahoma-clinic.com/hrtbreastcancer.shtml

> <http://www.tahoma-clinic.com/hrtbreastcancer.shtml>

> > <http://www.tahoma-clinic.com/hrtbreastcancer.shtml

> <http://www.tahoma-clinic.com/hrtbreastcancer.shtml>>

> >

> > Leonie, being in Australia it would be best if you find a cooperative

> > doctor (your family doctor is probably the best choice,

> > rheumatologists are the worst) who is willing to help you and contact

> > stoparthritis.com for info. They will work with your

> > doctor and provide all the info he/she needs.

> >

> > Good luck,

> >

> >

> >

>

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> >

> > > ,___

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

 

I think they tried the same with Dr. McPherson Brown. When he interfered

with the pharmaceutical comp. they called him a quack.

 

Eva

>

>

> I am not suggesting I have any insight into the merits of this (or

> much of anything these days), but I have heard of Mr. Liefmann's name

> before in a less than complimentary context. Only for consideration:

>

> http://www.time. com/time/ magazine/ article/0, 9171,827872, 00.html?iid=

chix-sphere

> <http://www.time. com/time/ magazine/ article/0, 9171,827872, 00.html?iid=

chix-sphere>

>

> http://www.time. com/time/ magazine/ article/0, 9171,902465- 2,00.html

> <http://www.time. com/time/ magazine/ article/0, 9171,902465- 2,00.html>

>

> Caveat emptor.....or as they say at the USDA......caveat venditor.

>

> Jeff

>

> rheumatic@grou ps.com <mailto:rheumatic% 40groups. com>

>

>

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Hi ,

I just got to see your mail to the group and got so excited reading it.It is as

if you have described my case.I have always believed that my disease had

something to do with Hormone Imbalances as my RA started just after the birth of

my second child,when she was one and half months old.I always felt that their

would be a connection with the increasing and decreasing levels of hormones in

the body.I never heard about this protocol earlier.I have tried AP for six

months but nothing happened.Maybe it was because I took the generic version of

Minocycline and not the brand one.But now I want to go for this tehrapy

desperately.I think my cure lies in the treatment of hormones.

 

My problem is I dont know where to look for it.I am staying in Bangkok for the

last 3 yrs and dont have a family physician here.I do not know any doctor so

closely as to talk about all this so openly.Where are you staying?I s your

family doctor giving this treatment to your wife.Can a Gynaecologist administer

this if approached.?Or can we do it ourself,as I was doing my AP taking guidance

from all the guys in this group and all the available sites? It is so exciting

to read about your wife,able to close her fist again,I just wish some day I'll

be able to do that,let alone sitting on the beach etc etc.

 

Can you help me in any way?Thank You.

 

anamika

From: Wiesboeck <rawie@...>

Subject: Re: rheumatic New/Old and Effective RA Treatment

rheumatic

Date: Friday, 22 August, 2008, 6:36 AM

Hi Leonie,

It was nice to hear from you. It goes back to the old times, for us.

Fortunately, RA is a thing of the past

for nne. Although she still needs the hormone drops, her RA

symptoms are gone and she feels fine.

She still is lacking somewhat in energy but that may be related to

other things, and being 76 puts on some

limitations too. We like to think it should go back to what is was 10

and 20 years ago (don't we wish).

Anyway, the hormone treatment of RA (this means RA only) is according to

my wife's experience a dream

come true. As I mentioned earlier, there are no problematic side effects

and the treatment is so fast, painless and

without bad feelings. No Herx, no stomach problems, no immune issues,

nothing !! nne was so glad

to get off all the medications and pain killers. Her nutrition is on the

healthy side ( limitted dairy, very little sugar)but nothing extreme.

In the application of the Liefmann Protocol, the sublinqual hormone

drops are taken three times a day and as the picture improves

the dose is gradually reduced. After four months, she switched to twice

a day which is her present routine.

By now, she is at about 40% of the initial dose.

Similar to the AP, the treatment is guided by symptoms. If the dose is

reduced too much ,RA symptoms like

finger stiffness comes back. The ability to make a closed fist is a good

indicator.

The hormone dose is similarly guided by symptoms and feeling. There is a

list of symptoms for estrogen and

testosterone being to high or too low and it is easily corrected.

Ever since nne is on the Liefmann protocol all her lab data are

back to normal.

Osteo arthritis is also controlled by the Liefmann protocol !

Now the prime question, estrogen and hormone related cancers. I

thoroughly studied this aspect for obvious reasons and came up with

some surprising and reassuring information. First of all, the overall

treatment of about 23,000 patients with the

Liefmann treatment showed no problems with cancer.

A literature survey revealed that testosterone has preventive and

protective properties when it comes to " female "

cancers. In a study at the Lousiana Menopause Clinic, 4000 women were

treated with testosterone supplementation.

In the well documented study, the group taking testosterone had a

cancer rate of less than half (46%) than that

of the control group.

Also, RA patients (male and female) typically have a subnormal

testosterone level.

To insure safety from cancer in general, nne applies dermal

Progesterone ( 100 mg /day) to avoid estrogen

dominance, takes DIM (di-indolylmethane) and eats many brassica

vegetables (broccoli) to control the 2/16 metabolite

ratio. See: http://www.tahoma- clinic.com/ hrtbreastcancer. shtml

Leonie, being in Australia it would be best if you find a cooperative

doctor (your family doctor is probably the best choice,

rheumatologists are the worst) who is willing to help you and contact

stoparthritis. com for info. They will work with your

doctor and provide all the info he/she needs.

Good luck,

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