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Hi Phil,  That is what I did.  I was put on Plaquenil which did ease up the

inflammatory part and I felt better.  I was on that for a month and then went

to see an A/P Rheumi who told me, that he would rather I not take the

Plaquenil.  He said, he would leave it up to me.  I saw concern in his face,

so I stopped the plaquenil, which I didn't want to do as it gave me instant

relief from pain, but, my intuition told me to followed the A/P only.  I was

put on Minocin 100mg 2x's a day and the first month I noticed that I didn't need

the plaquenil.  My symptoms started to subside rather quickly with Raynaud's

being the first to go.  I was glad because it worried me that Plaquenil may

cause eye problems.  The last thing I neede was another problems.

 

This is 5 years later.  My blood work is all back to normal, ANA -0, RF-0 and

I am in remission.  I continue to take 100mg Minocin MWF for precaution and

prevent reinfection and to make sure those micoplasmas do not start growing

again.  My disease is Systemic Scleroderma. The deadliest of all.  It was

affecting my lungs pretty badly and I was not expected to live too long because

of that.   Minocin saved my life.  It stopped the progression of fibrosis in

my lungs and even began reversing the damage. Minocin also reversed the

fibrosis in the rest of my body which was getting very tight.  All of me is

much softer and the pain is gone. I funtion well on 55% lung capacity.  I don't

dance as long or run as fast as I used to.  But then that is also to be

expected when you are 73.  So, I consider myself blessed to have found the

Antibiotic Protocol.  Dolores 

From: pcalvert.rm <pcalvert@...>

Subject: rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

rheumatic

Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 11:50 AM

 

Hi ,

The doctor is wrong; you can take both together. In fact, it is apparently a

good combination, as a number of people are taking both and doing quite well.

Plaquenil (hydroxychloroquine ) is not a drug I'd want to be on for a long

period of time, but I'd rather be on that than a drug like methotrexate or Arava

(leflunomide) .

Phil

>

> does anyone here take minocycline and plaquenil? my mother is being told

> by rheumy she can't take both. is it ok to take plaquenil until mino

> kicks in and then wean off plaquenil?

>

> thanks

> monique

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Hi Bonnie,

I'm curious about the plaquenil. Exactly what does it do for the RA?

I've never taken it and as I said, am curious just for the knowledge.

thanks,

Judy

rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

Hi . I am one of the other Road Back members who regularly uses

both plaquenil and minocycline, and have for several years now. It is a

perfectly fine combination of medicine. My plaquenil dose has been cut

way back over the years to a maintenance level (only take 200 mg on Sat

and Sun) -- and I take one mino on MWF. My symptoms are well under

control -- and I am living a completely normal life.

My husband is an ophthalmologist, and in his 25 years of practice he

has never had a case of eye complications from plaquenil,and he sees a

lot of RA patients. Yes, it does happen, but it really is not common,

it is pretty rare. I hope your mother is able to stay on both

medicines. Good luck.

Bonnie

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Will plaquenil help deformed joints? Our Dr. wants to put our son on enbrel

for that but isn't plaquenil safer?

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Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:33 PM

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Subject: rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

Hi Bonnie

I was glad to see your email and that you are able to thrive on a

maintenance dose of plaquenil. In February I doubled my plaquenil

dose to 400 mg daily for one month to try to alleviate the pain and

gradual deformities of joints that happened when I stopped the

minocycline (which I restarted last September). Unfortunately I seem

to have had a reaction to this dose in the form of severe eczema all

over my front from my neck to my navel. On Friday my dr said to stop

taking plaq and I'm to see a specialist next week to try to find out

whether it's the plaq or something else I'm reacting to. I've never

had eczema in my life, though I am asthmatic.

I'm dreading the thought that I will have to stop it permanently and

possibly substitute with methotrexate which has side effects I don't

want. So the idea that I may be able to take it only twice a week

with safety gives me hope. I just hope I haven't set up a permanent

" allergy " to it that happens with foods and drugs sometimes.

the combination of mino and plaq worked so well for the years I've

used it and I hope it will again.

Ros

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Thank Phil,

I will be speaking with Dr. on Tuesday as well as ask him about it. We

just need to try and get his joints back they are really bad right now.

Sue - 's Mom

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Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:18 PM

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Subject: rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

Hi ,

Yes, based on what I've read I'd say that Plaquenil is safer. Especially

since your son has Lyme Disease. Enbrel is a strong immunosuppressant, and

giving that type of drug to a person with Lyme is not a very good idea.

Quote:

" Never give steroids or any other immunosuppressant to any patient who may

even remotely be suffering from Lyme, or serious, permanent damage may

result, especially if given for anything greater than a short course. "

See:

http://www.lymenet.org/BurrGuide200810.pdf

Phil

>

> Will plaquenil help deformed joints? Our Dr. wants to put our son on

enbrel

> for that but isn't plaquenil safer?

>

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Hi Phil,

He also takes prilosec for his stomach and probiotics. Sometimes he takes

MSM, serrapeptasse, vit e and omega 6 but it is hard to get him take them

all the time. He also is deficient in Vitamin D so he takes that as well. He

was first diagnosed with JRA, then scleroderma, then morphea/mctd and most

recently chronic lyme. We are just so very confused. He only had one band

that was positive (31) and 2 indeterminate (41 & 58) so I don't know if I am

on the right path or not.

sue

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Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:56 PM

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Subject: rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

Hi Sue,

You're welcome. I meant to ask you a question and forgot. Besides

minocycline and azithromycin, what other medications is taking?

Phil

>

> Thank Phil,

>

>

>

> I will be speaking with Dr. on Tuesday as well as ask him about it.

We

> just need to try and get his joints back they are really bad right now.

>

>

>

> Sue - 's Mom

>

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Hi, Sue---I've had high sero-postive RA for almost 9 years; I

discovered the AP, and started on it, 3-4 months after I got sick;

after a year, my blood test numbers (most hundreds of times normal)

were cut in half. Then I did something ultra-foolish; I listened to

someone who told me long-term antibiotic use would shorten my life and

damage me, so I stopped the protocol (being administered by the

extraordinary Dr. Franco in Riverside, CA.) The disease came roaring

back; my hand tendons and ligaments started to melt.

Eight months later, I started back on 200mg timed-release Minocin per

day and 100mg Plaquenil per day, along with supplements and diet

change. Three years ago I started infusing clyndamycin @ 1200mg/day,

one week a month. At the end of 2009, my blood tests indicating long-

term inflammation were almost normal; I've stopped taking prednisone

(now only 1gm per day of ibuprofen and a bit of medical cannabis for

minor pain) and I feel like I'm rushing toward remission.

I also started taking LDN in January 2009, and have felt a remarkable

lift. I highly recommend you read the Scammel and Brown book; it says

everything you need to hear. Trust the people who are the veterans of

this list; they are wonderful, honest, loving, strong humans. The

tragic reality is that the overwhelming majority of rheumatologists in

this country are highly resistant to input that doesn't come from a

big drug company, and are financially dependent, some to an astounding

degree, on the drug companies who sell those $4K-month shots of

Enbrel. Open your eyes. Find M.D.s that are also gifted healers; that

let you lead; that are open to your research input. It's your life;

nobody is jumping in the grave with you when you go; take the reins.

Nobody---ever---cares like you do about your life and the life of your

family. Keep up the good fight; you're doing an amazing job. Keep

asking for help and demanding excellence....

http://roadback.org/

http://www.low dose naltrexone.org/

On Mar 14, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Mazik wrote:

> Hi Phil,

>

> He also takes prilosec for his stomach and probiotics. Sometimes he

> takes

> MSM, serrapeptasse, vit e and omega 6 but it is hard to get him take

> them

> all the time. He also is deficient in Vitamin D so he takes that as

> well. He

> was first diagnosed with JRA, then scleroderma, then morphea/mctd

> and most

> recently chronic lyme. We are just so very confused. He only had one

> band

> that was positive (31) and 2 indeterminate (41 & 58) so I don't know

> if I am

> on the right path or not.

>

> sue

>

> From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ]

> On Behalf

> Of pcalvert.rm

> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:56 PM

> rheumatic

> Subject: rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

>

> Hi Sue,

>

> You're welcome. I meant to ask you a question and forgot. Besides

> minocycline and azithromycin, what other medications is taking?

>

> Phil

>

>

> >

> > Thank Phil,

> >

> >

> >

> > I will be speaking with Dr. on Tuesday as well as ask him

> about it.

> We

> > just need to try and get his joints back they are really bad right

> now.

> >

> >

> >

> > Sue - 's Mom

> >

>

>

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He only takes it once in a while - should he take them all the time and

because he has so many problems with his stomach, we were worried and the

Dr. said to have him take Tylenol instead - will that do the same thing?

From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf

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Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:25 PM

rheumatic

Subject: rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

Hi Sue,

Is there some reason why your son is not taking an NSAID such as Motrin

(ibuprofen) or Aleve (naproxen sodium)? The anti-inflammatory action of an

NSAID enhances the effectiveness of the antibiotics, and might have

prevented some or all of the joint damage.

Phil

>

> Hi Phil,

>

>

>

> He also takes prilosec for his stomach and probiotics. Sometimes he takes

> MSM, serrapeptasse, vit e and omega 6 but it is hard to get him take them

> all the time. He also is deficient in Vitamin D so he takes that as well.

He

> was first diagnosed with JRA, then scleroderma, then morphea/mctd and most

> recently chronic lyme. We are just so very confused. He only had one band

> that was positive (31) and 2 indeterminate (41 & 58) so I don't know if I

am

> on the right path or not.

>

>

>

> sue

>

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This is for my now 14 year old son so I am so scared that we are not doing

the right thing. He has been on AP and nothing else since last May. I have

read both books and that is why, however, his poor little hands are so

deformed that I just do not know what to do anymore. One Dr. wants

methotrexate, one wants enbrel, I just want my son to have normal hands and

fingers. I am concerned that as he is still growing, his joints will not be

repaired through ap.

Sue -- 's Mom

rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

>

> Hi Sue,

>

> You're welcome. I meant to ask you a question and forgot. Besides

> minocycline and azithromycin, what other medications is taking?

>

> Phil

>

>

> >

> > Thank Phil,

> >

> >

> >

> > I will be speaking with Dr. on Tuesday as well as ask him

> about it.

> We

> > just need to try and get his joints back they are really bad right

> now.

> >

> >

> >

> > Sue - 's Mom

> >

>

>

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I understand your deep concern; no drug I know of will repair deformed

or damaged joints, I'm sorry to say, but I firmly believe that the AP

will work. Nine months is a relatively short time for the AP to work,

especially for a serious case of JRA. Please call the office of Dr.

Franco or Dr. Trentham and get another take on this...it's ugly, but

also be crystal clear about the downsides of Enbrel and methotrexate---

buried deep in the small print lies the truth---these drugs will,

almost certainly, eventually irreparably harm the immune system over

the long term. They are both known as " black box " drugs.

Hope this helps; I feel your pain and worry....please take care....

On Mar 14, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Mazik wrote:

> ,

>

> This is for my now 14 year old son so I am so scared that we are not

> doing

> the right thing. He has been on AP and nothing else since last May.

> I have

> read both books and that is why, however, his poor little hands are so

> deformed that I just do not know what to do anymore. One Dr. wants

> methotrexate, one wants enbrel, I just want my son to have normal

> hands and

> fingers. I am concerned that as he is still growing, his joints will

> not be

> repaired through ap.

>

> Sue -- 's Mom

>

> rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

> >

> > Hi Sue,

> >

> > You're welcome. I meant to ask you a question and forgot. Besides

> > minocycline and azithromycin, what other medications is taking?

> >

> > Phil

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Thank Phil,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I will be speaking with Dr. on Tuesday as well as ask him

> > about it.

> > We

> > > just need to try and get his joints back they are really bad right

> > now.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sue - 's Mom

> > >

> >

> >

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Hello Sue,

what is wrong with his stomach? h-pylori? abdominal discomfort?

you need to know the cause of his stomach pain because it may also be the source

of his other problems.

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From: pcalvert@...

Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:23:47 +0000

Subject: rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

Hi Sue,

Yes, NSAIDs are taken every day. If he has stomach problems, some of the drugs

are available as suppositories. I am specifically thinking of diclofenac, though

there may be others. Even though the suppositories may help, taking a medication

to protect his stomach would probably still be a good idea.

Another consideration is that not all of the NSAIDs are equally hard on the

stomach, and not all people react the same. For example, I cannot take uncoated

aspirin or naproxen sodium because they really bother my stomach. On the other

hand, I can tolerate ibuprofen and enteric-coated aspirin quite well.

As for Tylenol, no, it won't do the same thing. Although it can help with pain

and fever, Tylenol (acetaminophen or paracetamol) is not an effective

anti-inflammatory agent.

Phil

>

> He only takes it once in a while - should he take them all the time and

> because he has so many problems with his stomach, we were worried and the

> Dr. said to have him take Tylenol instead - will that do the same thing?

>

>

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He has had terrible problems with pain and diarrhea. He had a colonoscopy

and endoscopy a few weeks ago and it showed reflux and quite a bit of

eosyphilliac (spelling??) in the lining which the Dr. attributed to a milk

allergy but it can also be from an autoimmune disease so we are not sure at

this point.

rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

Hi Sue,

Yes, NSAIDs are taken every day. If he has stomach problems, some of the

drugs are available as suppositories. I am specifically thinking of

diclofenac, though there may be others. Even though the suppositories may

help, taking a medication to protect his stomach would probably still be a

good idea.

Another consideration is that not all of the NSAIDs are equally hard on the

stomach, and not all people react the same. For example, I cannot take

uncoated aspirin or naproxen sodium because they really bother my stomach.

On the other hand, I can tolerate ibuprofen and enteric-coated aspirin quite

well.

As for Tylenol, no, it won't do the same thing. Although it can help with

pain and fever, Tylenol (acetaminophen or paracetamol) is not an effective

anti-inflammatory agent.

Phil

>

> He only takes it once in a while - should he take them all the time and

> because he has so many problems with his stomach, we were worried and the

> Dr. said to have him take Tylenol instead - will that do the same thing?

>

>

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ask your doctor if he has ruled out h. pylory

if he has not, breath or stool tests are reliable tools, also GENOA lab has a

stool kit send out at the doctor's request. it can give you valuable info on

your son's gut: infections or lack of good bacteria, pancreatic activity, stool

ph etc

you need to know what his stomach/intestinal problem is and get it treated

if your doc does not cooperate try the ACAM list for a doctor who knows more

than the regular doctors know

http://www.acamnet.org/site/apps/kb/cs/contactsearch.asp?c=ltJWJ4MPIwE & b=5457441\

& raw

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From: smazik@...

Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:27:28 -0400

Subject: RE: rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

He has had terrible problems with pain and diarrhea. He had a colonoscopy

and endoscopy a few weeks ago and it showed reflux and quite a bit of

eosyphilliac (spelling??) in the lining which the Dr. attributed to a milk

allergy but it can also be from an autoimmune disease so we are not sure at

this point.

rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

Hi Sue,

Yes, NSAIDs are taken every day. If he has stomach problems, some of the

drugs are available as suppositories. I am specifically thinking of

diclofenac, though there may be others. Even though the suppositories may

help, taking a medication to protect his stomach would probably still be a

good idea.

Another consideration is that not all of the NSAIDs are equally hard on the

stomach, and not all people react the same. For example, I cannot take

uncoated aspirin or naproxen sodium because they really bother my stomach.

On the other hand, I can tolerate ibuprofen and enteric-coated aspirin quite

well.

As for Tylenol, no, it won't do the same thing. Although it can help with

pain and fever, Tylenol (acetaminophen or paracetamol) is not an effective

anti-inflammatory agent.

Phil

>

> He only takes it once in a while - should he take them all the time and

> because he has so many problems with his stomach, we were worried and the

> Dr. said to have him take Tylenol instead - will that do the same thing?

>

>

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In his colon

From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf

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Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:16 PM

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Subject: rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

Hi Sue,

Where did they find the eosinophilic inflammation?

Phil

>

> He has had terrible problems with pain and diarrhea. He had a colonoscopy

> and endoscopy a few weeks ago and it showed reflux and quite a bit of

> eosyphilliac (spelling??) in the lining which the Dr. attributed to a milk

> allergy but it can also be from an autoimmune disease so we are not sure

at

> this point.

>

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Phil,

Yes I am thank goodness. That is where I learned all about AP.

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Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:06 PM

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Subject: rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

Hi Sue,

Are you familiar with The Road Back Foundation? If not, I recommend that you

visit their web site:

http://www.roadback.org/

In the menu on the upper left, there is a link to the bulletin board. Click

on it and sign up for the bulletin board. I think you'll be able to get some

additional help on there because that board is very active and there are

quite a few people on there who have Lyme Disease.

Phil

>

> He has had terrible problems with pain and diarrhea. He had a colonoscopy

> and endoscopy a few weeks ago and it showed reflux and quite a bit of

> eosyphilliac (spelling??) in the lining which the Dr. attributed to a milk

> allergy but it can also be from an autoimmune disease so we are not sure

at

> this point.

>

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eosinophills are high in asthma, allergies and infections with worms

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:19:46 -0400

Subject: RE: rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

In his colon

From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf

Of pcalvert.rm

Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:16 PM

rheumatic

Subject: rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

Hi Sue,

Where did they find the eosinophilic inflammation?

Phil

>

> He has had terrible problems with pain and diarrhea. He had a colonoscopy

> and endoscopy a few weeks ago and it showed reflux and quite a bit of

> eosyphilliac (spelling??) in the lining which the Dr. attributed to a milk

> allergy but it can also be from an autoimmune disease so we are not sure

at

> this point.

>

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Hello Sue,

has your son ever been diagnosed with rheumatic fever following a strep throat

infection?

if yes is your answer, what are his ASO and anti-DNase B test values?

Ana

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Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 1:56:16 PM

Subject: RE: rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

 

,

This is for my now 14 year old son so I am so scared that we are not doing

the right thing. He has been on AP and nothing else since last May. I have

read both books and that is why, however, his poor little hands are so

deformed that I just do not know what to do anymore. One Dr. wants

methotrexate, one wants enbrel, I just want my son to have normal hands and

fingers. I am concerned that as he is still growing, his joints will not be

repaired through ap.

Sue -- 's Mom

rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

>

> Hi Sue,

>

> You're welcome. I meant to ask you a question and forgot. Besides

> minocycline and azithromycin, what other medications is taking?

>

> Phil

>

>

> >

> > Thank Phil,

> >

> >

> >

> > I will be speaking with Dr. on Tuesday as well as ask him

> about it.

> We

> > just need to try and get his joints back they are really bad right

> now.

> >

> >

> >

> > Sue - 's Mom

> >

>

>

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He was never diagnosed with rheumatic fever but his DNase B is 680+ and I

don’t have any results for ASO – what is that? Thank you so much for helping

me. He also has mycoplasma pneumonie that is off the chart!

From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf Of

Ana Andrescu

Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:16 PM

rheumatic

Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

Hello Sue,

has your son ever been diagnosed with rheumatic fever following a strep throat

infection?

if yes is your answer, what are his ASO and anti-DNase B test values?

Ana

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Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 1:56:16 PM

Subject: RE: rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

,

This is for my now 14 year old son so I am so scared that we are not doing

the right thing. He has been on AP and nothing else since last May. I have

read both books and that is why, however, his poor little hands are so

deformed that I just do not know what to do anymore. One Dr. wants

methotrexate, one wants enbrel, I just want my son to have normal hands and

fingers. I am concerned that as he is still growing, his joints will not be

repaired through ap.

Sue -- 's Mom

rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

>

> Hi Sue,

>

> You're welcome. I meant to ask you a question and forgot. Besides

> minocycline and azithromycin, what other medications is taking?

>

> Phil

>

>

> >

> > Thank Phil,

> >

> >

> >

> > I will be speaking with Dr. on Tuesday as well as ask him

> about it.

> We

> > just need to try and get his joints back they are really bad right

> now.

> >

> >

> >

> > Sue - 's Mom

> >

>

>

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if is anti-DNase B is this high, it means that he was infected with strep group

A that can trigger rheumatic fever

ASO or anti streptolysin o is another measure of strep presence

I attach MAYO clinic write up on rheumatic fever:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/rheumatic-fever/DS00250/DSECTION=treatments-and\

-drugs

Ana

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rheumatic

Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 8:40:43 PM

Subject: RE: rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

 

He was never diagnosed with rheumatic fever but his DNase B is 680+ and I

don’t have any results for ASO – what is that? Thank you so much for helping

me. He also has mycoplasma pneumonie that is off the chart!

From: rheumatic@grou ps.com [mailto:rheumatic@grou ps.com] On Behalf

Of Ana Andrescu

Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:16 PM

rheumatic@grou ps.com

Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

Hello Sue,

has your son ever been diagnosed with rheumatic fever following a strep throat

infection?

if yes is your answer, what are his ASO and anti-DNase B test values?

Ana

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Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 1:56:16 PM

Subject: RE: rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

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This is for my now 14 year old son so I am so scared that we are not doing

the right thing. He has been on AP and nothing else since last May. I have

read both books and that is why, however, his poor little hands are so

deformed that I just do not know what to do anymore. One Dr. wants

methotrexate, one wants enbrel, I just want my son to have normal hands and

fingers. I am concerned that as he is still growing, his joints will not be

repaired through ap.

Sue -- 's Mom

rheumatic Re: taking mino with plaquenil?

>

> Hi Sue,

>

> You're welcome. I meant to ask you a question and forgot. Besides

> minocycline and azithromycin, what other medications is taking?

>

> Phil

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> >

> > Thank Phil,

> >

> >

> >

> > I will be speaking with Dr. on Tuesday as well as ask him

> about it.

> We

> > just need to try and get his joints back they are really bad right

> now.

> >

> >

> >

> > Sue - 's Mom

> >

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