Re: Help with my complex issues

[Guest guest]

>>I was taking the following at the time of this test:

6 pills Ioscort/day

100 mcg Synthroid/day

1 grain Armour/day

10 mg DHEA/Day <<

Well this voids 9your cortisoll result. You need ot be off ALL adrenal support

that contains cortisl (Isocort) for at least 2 weeks prior to testing to get

accurate results. What was your T4? From your estradil results I do nto think

youre cortils is really badly low. Or it is in the process of falling now.,

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[Guest guest]

I didn't have my T4 levels checked via saliva, but I had my TSH, T4,

and T3 checked via blood about 2 months prior - TSH was 0.5, Free T4

was upper range of normal. But I still have tons of sypmtoms of

both low adrenals and low thyroid.

I didn't realize until I joined the forum that I needed to be off all

cortisol supplments prior to saliva testing. But isn't that fact

that my cortisol levels were low AND I was taking Iscort a bit

concerning? Do you think I should re-do the test?

Also, any suggestions on getting HC w/o a prescription?

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> >>I was taking the following at the time of this test:

> 6 pills Ioscort/day

> 100 mcg Synthroid/day

> 1 grain Armour/day

> 10 mg DHEA/Day <<

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> Well this voids 9your cortisoll result. You need ot be off ALL

adrenal support that contains cortisl (Isocort) for at least 2 weeks

prior to testing to get accurate results. What was your T4? From

your estradil results I do nto think youre cortils is really badly

low. Or it is in the process of falling now.,

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[Guest guest]

If it were me with these labs I owuld get off the Isocort, wean down,

then restes once you have been off it for at least 2 weeks. You really

need claroification before going ot a stronger cortiosl med. Your

estrogen says you are n0t that klow in cortiosl and your high T4 and

symptoms coulkd actually be form HIGH cortisl blocking conversion to T3.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the advice.

Should I also be off of DHEA as well? What about thyroid? I feel like

I really can't go off of that for 2 weeks and function, since I don't

have a thyroid.

It still really bothers me that my results showed that I was in stage 5

while I was taking Isocort.

[Guest guest]

Thre is some supresion of th4e HPA axis when oyu take any med containing

cortisl. This may be why you hsowed stage 5, it may nto be thta bad. It

is not necessary to change thyroid doising buti think I would also stop

DHEA as well.

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[Guest guest]

- There is something I should probably clarify - I also had a

4 point cortisol/est/Prog/Test saliva test done in Nov 06. The

AM/Noon/ and PM cortisol results were low, which is why I started

taking the Isocort. So the test I had done in Nov 06 was to see if I

had made any improvement. Since I wasn't feeling much better, and the

results came back virtually the same as they had in Nov 06 (low

AM/Noon/PM cortisol, high Eve cortisol, Ave Estrogen, High Progestrone,

and High Testosterone, I am assuming that the Ioscort wasn't doing

much.

Is there any point at which a person should stay on the cortisols

during the testing period? Since I had already established a baseline

while not on them, I just assumed that I should stay on them for the

second test.

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[Guest guest]

>>Is there any point at which a person should stay on the cortisols

during the testing period? Since I had already established a baseline

while not on them, I just assumed that I should stay on them for the

second test. <<

Testing while ON cortilsl supplements is a waste of money. They are NOT

accurate. The best way to tewll if you have had improvemnent is to monitor

glucose if you are on higher doses of HC or if on Isocort normal estrogen levels

and ability to ioptimize thyroid are the best means you have of determineing

proper dosing. Temper ature graphing while ramping up the meds tells you wwhen

you are high enough ot otlerate thyroid. It is complicated but testing while on

meds hsows weither the body waiting for the med as in your case (low) or if you

take meds that day high, and shows nothing of what your adrenals are able to do

on their own as it takes at least 2 weeks for the HPA axis to return ot normal

function once oyu stop the meds. Once you are OPTIMAL on HC with using temp

graphing then you try ot optimize thyroid THEN you try to slowly redue HC this

is the method of healing that seems ot work. Going off meds before there is

healing is nothign but a setback. Trying to guess what is going on by teesting

taking ONE day off meds is just thta guessing.

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[Guest guest]

okay....

Can you give a quick rundown on how to do the temperature taking/

graphing, especially since I'll be taking thyroid during the

graphing?

And if it turns out that I do need HC after saliva re-testing, is

there a place to get it without an Rx?

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> Testing while ON cortilsl supplements is a waste of money. They are

NOT accurate. The best way to tewll if you have had improvemnent is

to monitor glucose if you are on higher doses of HC or if on Isocort

normal estrogen levels and ability to ioptimize thyroid are the best

means you have of determineing proper dosing. Temper ature graphing

while ramping up the meds tells you wwhen you are high enough ot

otlerate thyroid. It is complicated but testing while on meds hsows

weither the body waiting for the med as in your case (low) or if you

take meds that day high, and shows nothing of what your adrenals are

able to do on their own as it takes at least 2 weeks for the HPA axis

to return ot normal function once oyu stop the meds. Once you are

OPTIMAL on HC with using temp graphing then you try ot optimize

thyroid THEN you try to slowly redue HC this is the method of healing

that seems ot work. Going off meds before there is healing is nothign

but a setback. Trying to guess what is going on by teesting taking

ONE day off meds is just thta guessing.

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[Guest guest]

Temps :

CHoose a time when you are always up at least 3 hours to start for the

day. Say you normally get up at 7 on weekdays and 8am on weekends, you

would start your temp graphing temps at 11AM every day. take them 11 am

2PM and 5PM every day. Each day add the three temps together and that is

the temp you put on your graph, which you can down load a blank for your

use from www.drrind.com .

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[Guest guest]

Thanks - I just spent some time on the website that you

recommended. Very helpful

Lexie

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> Temps :

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> CHoose a time when you are always up at least 3 hours to start for

the

> day. Say you normally get up at 7 on weekdays and 8am on weekends,

you

> would start your temp graphing temps at 11AM every day. take them

11 am

> 2PM and 5PM every day. Each day add the three temps together and

that is

> the temp you put on your graph, which you can down load a blank for

your

> use from www.drrind.com .

>

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> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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