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Hello, Hadia:

AP:  Antibiotic Protocol; the use of antibiotics in some kind of regimen.

NO, Humira is not an antibiotic.  It is a biologic designer-drug that works

much differently.  We believe that antibiotics treat the CAUSE of our illness

and that other drugs only treat SYMPTOMS.  Biologics treat some symptoms but

might not offer enough of a proper treatment to avoid long-term damage. 

Although there are many negatives to these agents, they are very clever and can

certainly be part of a successful treatment strategy, as they are often safer

than older type drugs that destroy immune system or gastrointestinal tract.

An example of an antibiotic is Cipro.  Another is tetracycline but the one used

in AP most often is minocycline.  For my disease--AS I like the others and

Flagyl (metronidazole).

HEALTH,

From: Hadia <hadia_elnagdy@...>

Subject: rheumatic what is AP

rheumatic

Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

 

question please what is AP stands for  is Humira is one of it ? if not

can you give me some example of it .

Thanks a lot

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Good Morning everyone. Re Cipro mentioned below, isn't this a dangerous

antibiotic? It seems to me that I've heard there are lots of lawyers

involved with cases stemming from Cipro.

Doxycycline is used with AP as is Minocin and its generic form Minocycline.

I also used Biaxin (antibiotic) with Diflucan (anti fungal) for a while.

Regards, El

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From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf

Of Merchant

Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:02 AM

rheumatic

Subject: Re: rheumatic what is AP

Hello, Hadia:

AP: Antibiotic Protocol; the use of antibiotics in some kind of regimen.

NO, Humira is not an antibiotic. It is a biologic designer-drug that works

much differently. We believe that antibiotics treat the CAUSE of our

illness and that other drugs only treat SYMPTOMS. Biologics treat some

symptoms but might not offer enough of a proper treatment to avoid long-term

damage. Although there are many negatives to these agents, they are very

clever and can certainly be part of a successful treatment strategy, as they

are often safer than older type drugs that destroy immune system or

gastrointestinal tract.

An example of an antibiotic is Cipro. Another is tetracycline but the one

used in AP most often is minocycline. For my disease--AS I like the others

and Flagyl (metronidazole).

HEALTH,

From: Hadia <hadia_elnagdy@... <mailto:hadia_elnagdy%40> >

Subject: rheumatic what is AP

rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if not can

you give me some example of it .

Thanks a lot

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I have been on Cipro for about 6 weeks and will finish up next week and then

have to wait a few days and go back to Biaxin and Mino. Had an issue with my

hands for four years and the Cipro finally cleared it up. Hopefully it will stay

that way. I am finally after five years are able to wear my wedding band again.

I have been taking lots of probiotics and drinking lots of water and other

liquids. Have had no problem with the Cipro.

Eva

From: Hadia <hadia_elnagdy@... <mailto:hadia_elnagdy%40> >

Subject: rheumatic what is AP

rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if not can

you give me some example of it .

Thanks a lot

[Guest guest]

I wonder if anyone know what the exact dose should be taking minocin? i read

some people take 200mg a day, some 100mg and my doctor prescribed me 50 a day

m/w/f. some people take it every day and some m/w/f/. i have been on AP for 6

months but do not see any difference, wonder maybe my dose should be higher than

50mg?? any comments?

From: Hadia <hadia_elnagdy@... <mailto:hadia_elnagdy%40> >

Subject: rheumatic what is AP

rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if not can

you give me some example of it .

Thanks a lot

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I believe the original protocol calls for 100mg twice a day on M/W/F. I

started with 100mg a day and never changed for almost three years. I

noticed great results within the first three months. If you've been on 50

mg M/W/F for six months with no change I'd recommend an increase in the

dose.

In response to your question I think it's fair to say there is no one single

answer. You may have to play with the dose to figure out what is right for

you. You may want to up your dose to 50 mg twice a day on M/W/F or take 100

mg (two capsules once a day) M/W/F and see how you feel. If you can get to

100 mg twice a day M/W/F without herxing then that's great; if not you may

be able to make enough improvement with the lower dose. Regards, El

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From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf

Of XD

Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:18 PM

rheumatic

Subject: RE: rheumatic what is AP

I wonder if anyone know what the exact dose should be taking minocin? i read

some people take 200mg a day, some 100mg and my doctor prescribed me 50 a

day m/w/f. some people take it every day and some m/w/f/. i have been on AP

for 6 months but do not see any difference, wonder maybe my dose should be

higher than 50mg?? any comments?

From: Hadia <hadia_elnagdy@... <mailto:hadia_elnagdy%40>

<mailto:hadia_elnagdy%40> >

Subject: rheumatic what is AP

rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

<mailto:rheumatic%40>

Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if not can

you give me some example of it .

Thanks a lot

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if your doctor prescribed 50 mg MWF then take it accordingly. He should know you

best. Some people start out with taken 100 mg twice a day, some 100 mg twice MWF

it is how they can handle Minoxin in the beginning. I took 100 mg twice MWF and

it helped me, I know some people had to start with the 50 mg .

Another thing is the AP does not work in just a few months it takes a lot

longer, you probably did not get sick overnight so it will take longer to get

well. Are you taking good probiotics with your antibiotics? This is very

important for your gut. Also what other supplements are you using?

Eva

From: Hadia <hadia_elnagdy@... <mailto:hadia_elnagdy%40> >

Subject: rheumatic what is AP

rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if not can

you give me some example of it .

Thanks a lot

[Guest guest]

I didn't see any results on AP until I upped my dose to 200 mg/daily. But, I did

start slowly.  I took it m/w/f for several months, then went to daily 100 mgs.

for several months and then doubled to 100 mgs twice daily.

From: Hadia <hadia_elnagdy@... <mailto:hadia_elnagdy%40> >

Subject: rheumatic what is AP

rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

question please what is AP stands for  is Humira is one of it ? if not can

you give me some example of it .

Thanks a lot

[Guest guest]

That is a good question. My doctor has been prescribing AP therapies for a

very long time. According to my blood work he recommended that I begin with

brand name Miocine 100mg 1x daily every day of the week. IF i begin to herx

then we will address that by stopping it for an intermittent time to resume

with the same dosage. I have a lot of active progressive chronic AI issues,

RA ..... .. You will hear many recommendations but it is very individual.

My thinking is " lets get this party started! " ... the healing. I have a

very high pain threshold. I haven't experienced any herxing so far. I feel

(for myself) that it simply cannot be worse than the pain I have survived

already.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 8:18 PM, XD <xeniya777@...> wrote:

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> I wonder if anyone know what the exact dose should be taking minocin? i

> read some people take 200mg a day, some 100mg and my doctor prescribed me 50

> a day m/w/f. some people take it every day and some m/w/f/. i have been on

> AP for 6 months but do not see any difference, wonder maybe my dose should

> be higher than 50mg?? any comments?

>

>

>

> From: Hadia <hadia_elnagdy@... <hadia_elnagdy%40> <mailto:

> hadia_elnagdy%40 <hadia_elnagdy%2540>> >

>

> Subject: rheumatic what is AP

>

> rheumatic <rheumatic%40> <mailto:

> rheumatic%40 <rheumatic%2540>>

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> Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

>

> question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if not can

>

> you give me some example of it .

>

> Thanks a lot

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

Could you comment on your use of Flagyl? Dosages, frequency? It has been

absolutely indispensable to me, but I worry sometimes I'll become resistant

to it, as it works differently from the other antibiotics.

Thanks!

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Merchant <anzaltopo@...> wrote:

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>

> Hello, Hadia:

>

> AP: Antibiotic Protocol; the use of antibiotics in some kind of regimen.

>

> NO, Humira is not an antibiotic. It is a biologic designer-drug that works

> much differently. We believe that antibiotics treat the CAUSE of our

> illness and that other drugs only treat SYMPTOMS. Biologics treat some

> symptoms but might not offer enough of a proper treatment to avoid long-term

> damage. Although there are many negatives to these agents, they are very

> clever and can certainly be part of a successful treatment strategy, as they

> are often safer than older type drugs that destroy immune system or

> gastrointestinal tract.

>

> An example of an antibiotic is Cipro. Another is tetracycline but the one

> used in AP most often is minocycline. For my disease--AS I like the others

> and Flagyl (metronidazole).

>

> HEALTH,

>

>

>

>

> From: Hadia <hadia_elnagdy@... <hadia_elnagdy%40>>

> Subject: rheumatic what is AP

> rheumatic <rheumatic%40>

> Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

>

>

>

>

> question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if not can

> you give me some example of it .

>

> Thanks a lot

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello, Caren:

I was taking Flagyl for two week periods at 1000mg total daily dosage.  Other

people with AS who tried taking this much seemed to have severe bowel issues

with it, but mine were very mild but noticeable only for the first five days or

so.

And I was taking the Flagyl as a preventive measure against Clostridium

overgrowth (a fear when taking the more powerful antibiotics), but also to be

certain there were no residual giardia cysts, if in fact I was ever exposed (I

am not certain, but it is easier and perhaps more appropriate to take the Flagyl

than do the hit-and-miss testing for this).

I have done about seven or eight cycles of Cipro/Levaquin/Maxaquin and only

about four cycles Flagyl over the previous 11 years on AP for AS and my tract

has healed very well by now so all I take now is the occasional tetracycline; my

symptoms are otherwise fully controlled by diet alone.

Well, I am a hefty guy (despite eating no starch), so my dosage was more

appropriate as a maximum.  Typically I took Flagyl one hour before each of two

largest meals and I believe that at one time I found some 400mg tablets but only

listed now are 250 and 500 and most of what I took were 500.  Perhaps the 400

were from the pet pharmacy...

HEALTH,

>

> From: Hadia <hadia_elnagdy@... <hadia_elnagdy%40>>

> Subject: rheumatic what is AP

> rheumatic <rheumatic%40>

> Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

>

>

>

>

> question please what is AP stands for  is Humira is one of it ? if not can

> you give me some example of it .

>

> Thanks a lot

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi there!  You brought up the million dollar question.  There is no normal dose

of Minocin or any other antibiotic.  There is the average dose for the average

person.  But each person responds individually to any medication.  Minocin does

not kill off the bacteria.  What it does is weaken them so that the body's

immune system will clear out the dead and weakening bacterial bodies.  THE DOSE

DEPENDS ON HOW INFECTED WE ARE.  HOW LONG WE HAVE BEEN INFECTED AND  WHAT OTHER

MEDICATION WE MAY HAVE TAKEN THAT ONLY MASK THE SYMPTOMS BUT DO NOTHING TO CURE

THE REASON FOR THE DISEASE.  

 

This is how Minocin works.The bacteria emit an antigen to protect itself against

the antibodies that the immune cells are making to also protect our bodies. 

There is a war going on inside of us.  When our immune system is overwhelmed

with toxicity from prescription drugs, pollution, antigens from bacteria, etc.

and maybe in our youth, we were not aware how vulnerable we are to all the bad

habits we picked up, We ate crappy fast foods, drank carbonated sugar filled

sodas and maybe even smoked and drank to excess.  I know many a night, I stayed

up partying long after I should have gone home.  Eventually, our immune

systems slows down to a crawl and like normal plumbing we clog up the paths for

it to do its' job. Mainly being the job of keeping us healthy. 

 

Minocin stops the bacteria by blocking the accessibilty to the proteins in our

body that the bacteria are using to replicate themselves.  Therefore, once on

the antibiotic, the number of bacteria lessen and the immune system regains its'

strength and has a chance to take over its' job again of killing and reducing

the bacteria. 

 

The time span could be from 6 months to many years for the body to clean itself

out.  Six months is too short a time for a difference to be noticed especially

for people who (A) have been sick a long time or ( Have taken a load of toxic

drugs which made them feel better initially, but did nothing to stop the

overgrowth of the bacteria which means they are overloaded with bacteria that

the immune system cannot handle alone.   Which is the reason why we are sick in

the first place. We are infected!  Once that is accepted, what do we do?

 

Well, now we have two choices.  We can either go on A/P if we have never been on

it or continue the Minocin or other antibiotic of the tetracycline family and

change the dosages according to our tolerance, In other words we experiment with

what dose or which antibiotic will work for us individually.  We will feel

crappy while this is going on because the bacteria is slow growing and slow

dying, plus they don't die off quietly!  They emit more toxin while they are

dying. They are nasty! 

 

Or, choice #2, we can placate ourselves by taking the toxic meds which only mask

the symptoms and fool ourselves into thinking that we are getting better, When

in fact, by not addressing the cause, we are continuing to get more infected and

therefore the disease runs rampant because we have done nothing to kill off the

offending organisms.

 

Remember,doctors who don't believe in A/P haven't found a cure either.  They

have nothing but toxic drugs to offer.  They will tell you to your face, if they

are honest, that all they can do is make you feel comfortable.  But they forget

to tell you that it is only a temporary measure and in the end you will be worse

off than when you first started. They usually start off with prednisone then

when that doesn't work anymore and you are a full blown diabetic, they give you

prescriptions for more toxic drugs. like remicade, cytoxin, Humira, etc.  You

know the list.  the side effects are worse than the diseases and you are left

with an immune system that will be very difficult to ever restore again. I feel

very sorry for those who have fallen into that trap.

 

It took me 5 years of taking, not only Minocin, but at least 5-6 other

antibiotics in various doses, at various times and on various days. and at

various combinations.  Some people never get to remission because they have to

start and stop again and again and again because of the intolerance of their

bodies.  This is a sad situation because each time we start & stop and start A/P

again, it is harder to get it under control.  The bacteria gain strength,

control, numbers and take charge over our immune systems once again.  That is

why we hear that people do so well the first time around that they stop taking

the antibiotic, thinking they are cured, only to once again allow the bacteria

to take hold and end up in the majority. Each time around restarting A/P, the

diseases gets more difficult to get under control  And I feel for those who have

done that.  These diseases are brutal. Don't we all know that?

 

STORY OF THE TYPE OF BACTERIA THAT CAUSES THESE DISEASES. 

 

These cell wall deficient bacteria are not a rare breed.  They are everywhere

and we are subject to reinfection all the time.  That is why after I went into

remission a year and a half ago, I continued to take 50 mg of Minocin on Mon

Wed. & Fri. so that I never am left without the protection of my antibiotic. I

never want to take that chance again.  Should I ever become sensitive, down the

line to my antibiotic, I will change antibiotics again and again and again and

for as long as it takes, even to the end of my life. 

 

If a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want to have more children, she uses some

type of protection so she doesn't get pregnant again.  Well, it is the same with

bacteria.  If you have a Rheumatic illness caused by bacteria, and you reduce it

to the point where your body is in remission, then you should continue to use

protection so you never get sick again.  Fortunately, for women who reach

menopause, they don't have to worry about getting pregnant again, but this is

not the case with bacteria.  We can succumb to illness and co-infections over &

over again. A/P is for the long haul.  For some of us with scleroderma, like

myself,  which is a terminal form of a rheumatic illness, we have to protect

ourselves for life and make sure we are doing everything we can to keep our

immune systems strong.  That could mean detox periodically, eating healthy clean

nutritional food and water, healthy atmosphere,, frequent checkups, joyful

attitudes, big smiles,

lots of laughter and surround ourselves with love for and from others.  Dump

the negative thoughts along with the toxic drugs and you will have a chance, at

least to fight for your life and good health!  Why die without trying to live

the best that you can?  Life is too precious to waste!  We need to heal and we

can. 

 

There is an image I put into my head when I was first heard about A/P after

being diagnosed with Scleroderma, R/A & MCTD.  I remembered the PacMan game.  It

was a round circle, I think it was yellow. HE HAD A MOUTH that went around and

around and ate up what was in front of him.  Well, I thought of my immune system

as being that PacMan and the thing he was eating was the bacteria in my body

that was killing me.  So, I helped the PacMan get rid of the bacteria by taking

the antibiotic and eventually, changed my toxic ways of living.   I got rid of

all the bacteria.  At least I hope they are all gone. You know, some can hide

for years without being detected in the synovial fluid of the joints, in the

heart or in the lungs.  Every where where they are moist and warm, they get cozy

and start using your protein to live on.  They are sneaky little buggers!  You

go to bed thinking you are fine and wake up next morning aching and think maybe

you

did too much the day before.  You use some Ben Gay and try to soothe the part

that is sore or take some tylenol or aspirin.  It takes a while before you

realize that you are suffering from inflammation that is coming from within and

not without.  Then you realize, it was not the workload you did, but the bug

that bit you. 

 

I don't have any more symptoms now and all my blood work is normal.  My body has

been restoring the damages caused by the illness, because our body is capable in

restoring itself.  For those of you who doubt that, just think!  You get a virus

and catch a cold.  You get into bed, drink chicken soup, use an inhaler to

breathe and get extra rest.  A week later, you are restored.  The body is a

miraculous thing.  It has a built in restoration system.  You just have to give

the immune system a shove, a push, a boost, if you will, and a helping hand to

restore itself.  It will!  I've gotten over measles, chicken pox, whooping

cough, all sorts of viruses and illnesses.  My hero, Lance Armstrong beat cancer

and went on to win the " Tour de France " , 7 times. Well, if he can do it, I can

do it too and so can you.    

 

My best to you all who get it, use it and restore yourselves.  Dolores  .   

>

> From: Hadia <hadia_elnagdy@... <hadia_elnagdy%40> <mailto:

> hadia_elnagdy%40 <hadia_elnagdy%2540>> >

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> Subject: rheumatic what is AP

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> rheumatic <rheumatic%40> <mailto:

> rheumatic%40 <rheumatic%2540>>

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> Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

>

> question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if not can

>

> you give me some example of it .

>

> Thanks a lot

>

>

[Guest guest]

thank you Dolores for the great explanation and answering my question. i have

one more question about Herx reaction, is it a good thing or not? when i uped

the dose to 100mg i started feeling all the symptoms of Herx, should i lower the

dose again or stay on it and my body will get better recovering those Herx

symptoms?

thanks

Suzan

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> From: Hadia <hadia_elnagdy@... <hadia_elnagdy%40> <mailto:

> hadia_elnagdy%40 <hadia_elnagdy%2540>> >

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> Subject: rheumatic what is AP

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> rheumatic <rheumatic%40> <mailto:

> rheumatic%40 <rheumatic%2540>>

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> Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

>

> question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if not can

>

> you give me some example of it .

>

> Thanks a lot

>

>

[Guest guest]

You are very welcome.  Knowing what is going on with the medication gives a

clearer understanding on how you want to proceed and take some of the

mystery out of how it all works. 

 

What to do if you are herxing is the question!

 

Well, that depends on your tolerance to the herxing and if you are either

herxing or just having a worse than ususal day with your disease.

 

Some people have violent herxing and some have it so mild that they don't know

they are herxing. 

 

Some people have brain fog so badly, they don't remember that they were

herxing. 

 

Now, I know that that is about as clear as mud! 

 

Brain fog is a symptom of these diseases as is depression.  These symptoms

are not always recognized as being a symptom of a disease process. But they are

and very real, too. I dealt with brain fog and depression by sleeping it off

between bouts of vomiting and diarrhea.  Then at different stages in the

recovery other organs may get attacked and will vary from day to day and even

hour to hour.  Some will get you going to the hospital and some will pass

quietly. 

 

 I had several heart procedures done and 4 heart surgeries before my heart

began to calm down.  Yes, I was hospitalized a few times for that.  A day or

two in the hospital and you would never have known that I was brought in by

ambulance.  The symptoms can be as bad or worse than the disease.  And you can

take measures to alleviate  the pain or discomfort or itch or whatever is

hurting you whether it is mild or severe.  But stay away from any immune

suppressant toxic drug or hormone steroid.  They will set you back and it will

be more difficult to achieve remission. 

 

 If it is your heart that is acting up, keep some magnesium in the house. 

Call your A/P doctor and let him/her know. Tell your doc what your plans are

and become a co caretaker with your doc.   Mine told me how much magnesium to

take over the phone and within a half hour, the irregular rythm ceased and my

heart was back to normal.  Other times it continued and only a surgery would

correct it.  That is describing the violent reaction and the mild one. 

 

Take each one and deal with it as it comes.  The best thing to do, is to

remember that as long as you are getting a reaction, the bugs are dying and so

yes, that is a good thing, much as labor is a good thing because your baby is

being born even though you are in agony, you are happy for the life of your

little one.  I don't know if that makes sense.  Breathe deep between

contractions is the same as breathing deeply while you are at the peak of your

symptom.  It will either go away on its' own or with treatment. 

 

I was one of the lucky ones, I think. Either that or I was in such a brainfog,

I didn't know how bad off I was.   I was on the Marshall Protocol at the time

and so I was on Benicar, which is a B/P lowering drug and supposedly forms a

blockade that helps you tolerate the herxing.  That did help when some of my

symptoms were intolerable.  So, did staying out of the sunlight and wearing

dark glasses, even indoor and while typing on the computer.  Keeping th eyes

down and out of the glare does a lot to lessen pain.  Don't ask me how it

works.  I was in such a fog, I don't remember it all and that is a good thing

too.  It helped me get through the rough times. 

 

There are other B/P lowering drugs that work also. I have since substitued,

Cozaar, which is close to Benicar.  My insurance cut me off.  Although, I

don't experience symptoms any longer, cozaar does help to keep my B/P at normal

levels.

 

 Under stress, I tend to raise my blood pressure and right now my mom is in

the hospital.  She is 96 and not looking too good.  I am leaving for the

hospital without sleeping as I have a feeling that she may not make it through

the surgery.  So, yes, I do need help still during these stressful days.  If

she makes it through and they discharge her, then she comes home with me as she

has been living with us for two years.  That is still stressful,so at this

point, I will start taking better care of myself and when the surgery is over

and if she survives, then I will go home and sleep away the day. 

 

 Besides her poor health right now, she has Alz's and that is a nightmare to

live with.  Thank God, I went into remission just about the time she came to

live with us and she wasn't so sick then.  Just a bit goofy in the brain.  She

would ask me every 2 minutes what time it was.  I guess what doesn't kill you

makes you stronger.  Four years ago, I would not have been able to take care of

her.  But, I have been doing this for two years and am still in remission. 

Tomorrow is Friday.  Actually, today is Friday, as I haven't slept yet and I

take my minocin on Fridays. 

 

So to answer your question, yes it is a good thing to herx.  But you do not

have to tolerate the intolerable.  You can take pallative measures to ease

you through as long as you do not take toxic, immune suppressants.  Read all

the side effects of any medication carefully and the contraindications.  Most

times, they insert this information with the drug.  If it is over the counter,

then google up the info and question every med before you take it. 

 

The answer to what is A/P.  A/P is accepting that your condition was brought

on by an infectious origin and could have happened during a dental procedure. 

Anything that lets those cell wall deficient bacteria into your system

is considered an infection.  You may not have gotten sick at the time of the

infection because these bugs are very slow growing.  sometimes they are in your

body living as parasites for twenty years or more before showing symptoms.  You

can find out by being tested for micoplasmas and other cell-wall- deficient

bacteria.  These are  viral types in that are so tiny, they weren't discovered

until not too long ago and they don't have a cell wall to block their entry so

they can morph into an L-shape and easily slide into your immune cells killing

off your DNA and inserting theirs taking over all your immune cells after a

period of time.  Some doctors can tell by just testing for the antibodies in

your system.  If the

antibodies are high, then you know the amount of antigen these bugs are

producing are high also. 

 

After that, then A/P is recommended.  And that is any drug of the tetracycline

family has been shown to reduce and or eliminate the amount of bacteria in the

system taken over a long period of time as the bugs, since they are slow

growing, they are also slow dying.  Thus the name given to the therapy is

Antibiotic Protocol.  The abbreviation is A/P. 

 

I hope this helps you to understand what is going on within you.  Please

educate yourself fully re: your specific disease and google up antibiotic

protocol.  Google up Marshall Protocol and get the FAQ (Frequently Asked

Questions re: Antibiotic Protocol) sheet.  You can google that or get it up

on .  About once a month, this site makes a print of it for the newly

diagnosed people who have never heard of the protocol.....It comes in several

languages.  A/P saved my life and sanity!  Well, we are still out on that last

part, but it definitely saved my life and I hope it helps you too.  Good

luck!  Stay in touch with the group and remember, there is no such thing as a

dumb question.  So, ask away.  You will get plenty of answers.  Dolores  

>

> From: Hadia <hadia_elnagdy@... <hadia_elnagdy%40> <mailto:

> hadia_elnagdy%40 <hadia_elnagdy%2540>> >

>

> Subject: rheumatic what is AP

>

> rheumatic <rheumatic%40> <mailto:

> rheumatic%40 <rheumatic%2540>>

>

> Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

>

> question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if not can

>

> you give me some example of it .

>

> Thanks a lot

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dolores,

I've been on A/P for 15 mos. for RA and feel the same as I did since the

beginning, pain that moves all over my body. My original doctor diagnosis me for

RA and put me on A/P, my second doctor is leaving me on AP plus added LDN but he

is suspecting that I don't have RA but allergies to something because I had no

change in symptoms since taking LDN. I recently had a blood test CCP and it came

back negative. I've heard (from this group) since I have been on minocycline

there is a good possibility that it will come back negative. I have also

altering my diet to no sugar or dairy. I have a drs appt in a week to go over my

treatment plan. Any suggestions.

Donna

rheumatic what is AP

>

> rheumatic <rheumatic%40> <mailto:

> rheumatic%40 <rheumatic%2540>>

>

> Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

>

> question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if not can

>

> you give me some example of it .

>

> Thanks a lot

>

>

[Guest guest]

hello Eva, i am taking probiotics. should i take it every day? what about

yogurt? also i have been taking fish oil every day, MSM and Vitamin A & D. I am

taking also vitamin B12 shot weekly and iodine.

Suzan

From: Hadia <hadia_elnagdy@... <mailto:hadia_elnagdy%40> >

Subject: rheumatic what is AP

rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if not can

you give me some example of it .

Thanks a lot

[Guest guest]

Suzan,

take you antibiotic early int the morning either before breakfast or an hour

after it. Take your probiotic or yogurt at least 4 hours later. The probiotic

will cancel out the antibiotic. Take the probiotic every day even if you do not

take antibiotic those days. The rest is okay to take. Some of the supplements

are better to be taken at other times then the antibiotics.

Keep it up, get well.

Eva

From: Hadia <hadia_elnagdy@... <mailto:hadia_elnagdy%40> >

Subject: rheumatic what is AP

rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if not can

you give me some example of it .

Thanks a lot

[Guest guest]

Dolores,

again, and again, and again etc...thank you for your knowledge and keeping me on

the healing path with HOPE and KNOWledge! sally

rheumatic what is AP

>

> rheumatic <rheumatic%40> <mailto:

> rheumatic%40 <rheumatic%2540>>

>

> Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

>

> question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if not can

>

> you give me some example of it .

>

> Thanks a lot

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sally,

don't you think it is time Dolores writes her book? I have known her for a few

years only, but she has been collecting lots of info and I bet she has a book

together about AP and MP and the illnesses they help.

LOL, she is so great to help a lot of people.

Eva

 

Dolores,

Do you read this?

Eva

>

> From: Hadia <hadia_elnagdy@... <hadia_elnagdy%40> <mailto:

> hadia_elnagdy%40 <hadia_elnagdy%2540>> >

>

> Subject: rheumatic what is AP

>

> rheumatic <rheumatic%40> <mailto:

> rheumatic%40 <rheumatic%2540>>

>

> Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

>

> question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if not can

>

> you give me some example of it .

>

> Thanks a lot

>

>

[Guest guest]

The marketplace certainly needs a book like it!

On Oct 15, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Eva Holloway wrote:

> Sally,

> don't you think it is time Dolores writes her book? I have known her

> for a few years only, but she has been collecting lots of info and I

> bet she has a book together about AP and MP and the illnesses they

> help.

> LOL, she is so great to help a lot of people.

> Eva

>

> Dolores,

> Do you read this?

> Eva

>

> >

> > From: Hadia <hadia_elnagdy@... <hadia_elnagdy%40>

> <mailto:

> > hadia_elnagdy%40 <hadia_elnagdy%2540>> >

> >

> > Subject: rheumatic what is AP

> >

> > rheumatic <rheumatic%40> <mailto:

> > rheumatic%40 <rheumatic%2540>>

> >

> > Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

> >

> > question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if

> not can

> >

> > you give me some example of it .

> >

> > Thanks a lot

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Actually Eva, just printing out all of Dolores replies on this site could easily

be the book! She seems to be one of the most incredible people I have met (via

email)! Do you think she really exists?LOL Or perhaps an angel from Heaven sent

here to light the way for our journeys! Sally

rheumatic what is AP

>

> rheumatic <rheumatic%40> <mailto:

> rheumatic%40 <rheumatic%2540>>

>

> Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

>

> question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if not can

>

> you give me some example of it .

>

> Thanks a lot

>

>

[Guest guest]

and also another book sharing her life AFTER AND NOW, living in remission!

rheumatic what is AP

>

> rheumatic <rheumatic%40> <mailto:

> rheumatic%40 <rheumatic%2540>>

>

> Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

>

> question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if

not can

>

> you give me some example of it .

>

> Thanks a lot

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have met Dolores and Mike when they lived in Corpus Christi, over two years

ago. My husband and I drove there over Labor Day weekend and met them. They are

the neatest couple. Yes, Dolores is making a great effort to to help every one

she meets or hears about their needs. I think why she is like that is

because whe she was so sick and the doctors gave up on her and she had to be

her own doctor in more ways then one. She learned a lot from researching and

talking to many patients that are on AP, reading books and researching the

internet. Also she took care of her husband when he was so sick, now she is

taking care of her mom. She is such a great lady. One of these days I am going

to see her and Mike in Puerto Rico, I would love to relaxe at the beach with no

hassle and enjoy just the right weather.

Eva

>

> From: Hadia <hadia_elnagdy@... <hadia_elnagdy%40> <mailto:

> hadia_elnagdy%40 <hadia_elnagdy%2540>> >

>

> Subject: rheumatic what is AP

>

> rheumatic <rheumatic%40> <mailto:

> rheumatic%40 <rheumatic%2540>>

>

> Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

>

> question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if not can

>

> you give me some example of it .

>

> Thanks a lot

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Donna,  I read your post and it sounds like you have not been completely

diagnosed properly.  The docs are missing something.  Sometimes we need to

clear up some complications like allergies and sensitivities before the

antibiotic can get through to the offending organisms.  By fifteen months, you

should have experienced some changes by now.  Have you been tested for any

other co-existing conditions like Celiac disease?  Have you had a toxic screen

test?  What about metals and minerals?  Have you been tested for that?  Any

recent dental work that may have sparked a resistence?  Have you checked for

tick bites or spider butes,  Have you been to an allergist for testing to see

what you may be allergic too.  I think you need more investigations to see why

the antibiotic is not getting through.  Another idea that just came to my mind

is are you taking the brand name minocin or the generic minocycline. Some

generic brands may have

fillers in it that prevents the medication from getting through.  Do you take

the antibiotic 2 hours before and 2 hours after eating a heavy meal or drinking

any milk products.  Taking probiotics within two hours before and two hours

after the antibiotic dose will also diminish the action of antibiotics.  Are

you drinking lots of pure water to flush out the toxins in your system?  Are

you on any immune suppressing drugs?  You need to have a strong immune system

in order to assist the antibiotic.  The antibiotic alone does not kill off the

bacteria, it only weakens them.  You need a strong immune system intact to

clear out the offending organisms.  What is your ANA or RF? If it is negative,

you may be one of those people who do not register inflammation till the disease

is advanced.  I was one of those.  I was inflammed for 15 years before my

blood tests became sero positive.  Keep on investigating.  Do not give up or

give in to immune

suppressant drugs.  If you depress your immune system, you will not have

anything left to fight with.  Keep posting on the site, maybe some one of the

old timers could come up with something I may have missed.  Good luck to you,

dear.  Dolores 

>

> From: Hadia < hadia_elnagdy@... <hadia_elnagdy%40> <mailto:

> hadia_elnagdy%40 <hadia_elnagdy%2540>> >

>

> Subject: rheumatic what is AP

>

> rheumatic <rheumatic%40> <mailto:

> rheumatic%40 <rheumatic%2540>>

>

> Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 7:46 PM

>

> question please what is AP stands for is Humira is one of it ? if not can

>

> you give me some example of it .

>

> Thanks a lot

>

>