Re: Clindamycin /Ethel or someone!

[Guest guest]

Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my second time taking

Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now Saturday). I never felt better in

yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have not moved my bowels since

I started it, not even on the two days that I was back on Minocin. I

take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic onstipation, but Ethel

recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked for months. Now I take my

two with dinner, but nothing happens. I feel motility is slow--ie, I

hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool is up way high and not

moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it will be four days without

going)? Or should I take three tonight at dinner and see what

happens? Help! L.

On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE GIBSON wrote:

> Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking it that way, was very hard

> on the gut...

> rheumatic Clindamycin question

> >

> > Hi, group,

> > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI joints and sometimes right on my

> > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this week he put me on 300mg of

> > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and Saturday (and 100 mg bid Minocin

> > the other five days). Someone recently wrote saying her sister was

> > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered how much. When I took 300 mg of

> > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt better than I have in years, and

> > can't wait until tomorrow when I can do it again. But isn't 1200 mg

> > of Clindy the max, and isn't it unusual to be taking Minocin too?

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Maybe try anti fungals this is what worked for me, I used oral

fungilin / fungizone.

s

On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Beckman wrote:

> Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my second time taking

> Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now Saturday). I never felt better in

> yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have not moved my bowels since

> I started it, not even on the two days that I was back on Minocin. I

> take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic onstipation, but Ethel

> recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked for months. Now I take my

> two with dinner, but nothing happens. I feel motility is slow--ie, I

> hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool is up way high and not

> moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it will be four days without

> going)? Or should I take three tonight at dinner and see what

> happens? Help! L.

>

> On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE GIBSON wrote:

>

> > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking it that way, was very hard

> > on the gut...

> > rheumatic Clindamycin question

> > >

> > > Hi, group,

> > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI joints and sometimes right on my

> > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this week he put me on 300mg of

> > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and Saturday (and 100 mg bid

> Minocin

> > > the other five days). Someone recently wrote saying her sister was

> > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered how much. When I took 300

> mg of

> > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt better than I have in years, and

> > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can do it again. But isn't

> 1200 mg

> > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it unusual to be taking Minocin too?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Were you on Clindamycin?

On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> Maybe try anti fungals this is what worked for me, I used oral

> fungilin / fungizone.

>

> s

>

> On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Beckman wrote:

>

> > Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my second time taking

> > Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now Saturday). I never felt better in

> > yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have not moved my bowels since

> > I started it, not even on the two days that I was back on Minocin. I

> > take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic onstipation, but Ethel

> > recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked for months. Now I take my

> > two with dinner, but nothing happens. I feel motility is slow--ie, I

> > hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool is up way high and not

> > moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it will be four days without

> > going)? Or should I take three tonight at dinner and see what

> > happens? Help! L.

> >

> > On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE GIBSON wrote:

> >

> > > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking it that way, was very

> hard

> > > on the gut...

> > > rheumatic Clindamycin question

> > > >

> > > > Hi, group,

> > > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI joints and sometimes right

> on my

> > > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this week he put me on 300mg of

> > > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and Saturday (and 100 mg bid

> > Minocin

> > > > the other five days). Someone recently wrote saying her sister

> was

> > > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered how much. When I took 300

> > mg of

> > > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt better than I have in years,

> and

> > > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can do it again. But isn't

> > 1200 mg

> > > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it unusual to be taking Minocin

> too?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

No but I have tried about 10 different abx over the years.

They all seem to constipate, I had this for 4 years, A/F were the

only things that resolved this.

s

On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:48, Beckman wrote:

> Were you on Clindamycin?

>

> On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

>

> > Maybe try anti fungals this is what worked for me, I used oral

> > fungilin / fungizone.

> >

> > s

> >

> > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Beckman wrote:

> >

> > > Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my second time taking

> > > Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now Saturday). I never felt

> better in

> > > yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have not moved my bowels

> since

> > > I started it, not even on the two days that I was back on

> Minocin. I

> > > take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic onstipation, but Ethel

> > > recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked for months. Now I

> take my

> > > two with dinner, but nothing happens. I feel motility is slow--

> ie, I

> > > hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool is up way high and not

> > > moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it will be four days

> without

> > > going)? Or should I take three tonight at dinner and see what

> > > happens? Help! L.

> > >

> > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE GIBSON wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking it that way, was very

> > hard

> > > > on the gut...

> > > > rheumatic Clindamycin question

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi, group,

> > > > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI joints and sometimes right

> > on my

> > > > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this week he put me on 300mg of

> > > > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and Saturday (and 100 mg bid

> > > Minocin

> > > > > the other five days). Someone recently wrote saying her sister

> > was

> > > > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered how much. When I took 300

> > > mg of

> > > > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt better than I have in years,

> > and

> > > > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can do it again. But isn't

> > > 1200 mg

> > > > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it unusual to be taking Minocin

> > too?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Antibiotics kill the good bacteria in the colon. If you aren't already

doing so, you could try taking some probiotics (such as acidphilus).

This is good for colon health & is known to help movement.

Magnesium citrate is ok if in liquid form. The liquid form is the one

usually recommended prior to colonoscopy. Dry form of magnesium citrate

is not the best form for motility, as this form is mostly absorbed into

the body.

Magnesium oxide is the one to use when in DRY form such as capsules.

This is the one I prefer. If you choose this one, take with a lot of

water, because that is how it works. It binds to liquids & flushes

everything through. Magnesium oxide is not known for absorption (won't

cause mineral imbalance)

Which ever magnesium form you take, the liquid citrate or the dry oxide

- they are both effective. I've never read any harm associated with

them. The idea is that the magnesium passes through & isn't absorbed.

I don't know what Intestinal 1 is. But if probiotics or mag oxide

doesn't work, I would look for another answer.

Amy

Beckman wrote:

>

> Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my second time taking

> Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now Saturday). I never felt better in

> yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have not moved my bowels since

> I started it, not even on the two days that I was back on Minocin. I

> take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic onstipation, but Ethel

> recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked for months. Now I take my

> two with dinner, but nothing happens. I feel motility is slow--ie, I

> hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool is up way high and not

> moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it will be four days without

> going)? Or should I take three tonight at dinner and see what

> happens? Help! L.

>

> On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE GIBSON wrote:

>

> > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking it that way, was very hard

> > on the gut...

> > rheumatic Clindamycin question

> > >

> > > Hi, group,

> > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI joints and sometimes right on my

> > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this week he put me on 300mg of

> > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and Saturday (and 100 mg bid Minocin

> > > the other five days). Someone recently wrote saying her sister was

> > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered how much. When I took 300 mg of

> > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt better than I have in years, and

> > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can do it again. But isn't 1200 mg

> > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it unusual to be taking Minocin too?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot, Amy. I'll get some magnesium oxide.

On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Amy wrote:

> Antibiotics kill the good bacteria in the colon. If you aren't already

> doing so, you could try taking some probiotics (such as acidphilus).

> This is good for colon health & is known to help movement.

>

> Magnesium citrate is ok if in liquid form. The liquid form is the one

> usually recommended prior to colonoscopy. Dry form of magnesium

> citrate

> is not the best form for motility, as this form is mostly absorbed

> into

> the body.

>

> Magnesium oxide is the one to use when in DRY form such as capsules.

> This is the one I prefer. If you choose this one, take with a lot of

> water, because that is how it works. It binds to liquids & flushes

> everything through. Magnesium oxide is not known for absorption (won't

> cause mineral imbalance)

>

> Which ever magnesium form you take, the liquid citrate or the dry

> oxide

> - they are both effective. I've never read any harm associated with

> them. The idea is that the magnesium passes through & isn't absorbed.

>

> I don't know what Intestinal 1 is. But if probiotics or mag oxide

> doesn't work, I would look for another answer.

> Amy

>

> Beckman wrote:

> >

> > Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my second time taking

> > Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now Saturday). I never felt better in

> > yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have not moved my bowels since

> > I started it, not even on the two days that I was back on Minocin. I

> > take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic onstipation, but Ethel

> > recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked for months. Now I take my

> > two with dinner, but nothing happens. I feel motility is slow--ie, I

> > hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool is up way high and not

> > moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it will be four days without

> > going)? Or should I take three tonight at dinner and see what

> > happens? Help! L.

> >

> > On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE GIBSON wrote:

> >

> > > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking it that way, was very

> hard

> > > on the gut...

> > > rheumatic Clindamycin question

> > > >

> > > > Hi, group,

> > > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI joints and sometimes right

> on my

> > > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this week he put me on 300mg of

> > > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and Saturday (and 100 mg bid

> Minocin

> > > > the other five days). Someone recently wrote saying her sister

> was

> > > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered how much. When I took 300

> mg of

> > > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt better than I have in years,

> and

> > > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can do it again. But isn't

> 1200 mg

> > > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it unusual to be taking Minocin

> too?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot. I will definitely look up the anti-fungals, but do are

they over the counter or by prescription?

On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> No but I have tried about 10 different abx over the years.

>

> They all seem to constipate, I had this for 4 years, A/F were the

> only things that resolved this.

> s

> On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:48, Beckman wrote:

>

> > Were you on Clindamycin?

> >

> > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> >

> > > Maybe try anti fungals this is what worked for me, I used oral

> > > fungilin / fungizone.

> > >

> > > s

> > >

> > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Beckman wrote:

> > >

> > > > Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my second time taking

> > > > Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now Saturday). I never felt

> > better in

> > > > yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have not moved my bowels

> > since

> > > > I started it, not even on the two days that I was back on

> > Minocin. I

> > > > take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic onstipation, but Ethel

> > > > recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked for months. Now I

> > take my

> > > > two with dinner, but nothing happens. I feel motility is slow--

> > ie, I

> > > > hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool is up way high and not

> > > > moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it will be four days

> > without

> > > > going)? Or should I take three tonight at dinner and see what

> > > > happens? Help! L.

> > > >

> > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE GIBSON wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking it that way, was very

> > > hard

> > > > > on the gut...

> > > > > rheumatic Clindamycin question

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi, group,

> > > > > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI joints and sometimes right

> > > on my

> > > > > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this week he put me on 300mg

> of

> > > > > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and Saturday (and 100 mg bid

> > > > Minocin

> > > > > > the other five days). Someone recently wrote saying her

> sister

> > > was

> > > > > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered how much. When I took

> 300

> > > > mg of

> > > > > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt better than I have in

> years,

> > > and

> > > > > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can do it again. But isn't

> > > > 1200 mg

> > > > > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it unusual to be taking Minocin

> > > too?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

RX only, and sometimes hard to get, here in France I was very lucky

to find a great Dr, In the UK however its another matter, extracting

teeth is easier.

Good luck, they do actually work, unlike the plethora of alternatives

I experimented with in the 4 year endeavor.

On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:21, Beckman wrote:

> Thanks a lot. I will definitely look up the anti-fungals, but do are

> they over the counter or by prescription?

> On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

>

> > No but I have tried about 10 different abx over the years.

> >

> > They all seem to constipate, I had this for 4 years, A/F were the

> > only things that resolved this.

> > s

> > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:48, Beckman wrote:

> >

> > > Were you on Clindamycin?

> > >

> > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > >

> > > > Maybe try anti fungals this is what worked for me, I used oral

> > > > fungilin / fungizone.

> > > >

> > > > s

> > > >

> > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Beckman wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my second time taking

> > > > > Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now Saturday). I never felt

> > > better in

> > > > > yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have not moved my bowels

> > > since

> > > > > I started it, not even on the two days that I was back on

> > > Minocin. I

> > > > > take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic onstipation, but Ethel

> > > > > recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked for months. Now I

> > > take my

> > > > > two with dinner, but nothing happens. I feel motility is

> slow--

> > > ie, I

> > > > > hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool is up way high

> and not

> > > > > moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it will be four days

> > > without

> > > > > going)? Or should I take three tonight at dinner and see what

> > > > > happens? Help! L.

> > > > >

> > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE GIBSON wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking it that way, was

> very

> > > > hard

> > > > > > on the gut...

> > > > > > rheumatic Clindamycin question

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi, group,

> > > > > > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI joints and sometimes

> right

> > > > on my

> > > > > > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this week he put me on 300mg

> > of

> > > > > > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and Saturday (and 100 mg

> bid

> > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > the other five days). Someone recently wrote saying her

> > sister

> > > > was

> > > > > > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered how much. When I took

> > 300

> > > > > mg of

> > > > > > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt better than I have in

> > years,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can do it again. But

> isn't

> > > > > 1200 mg

> > > > > > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it unusual to be taking

> Minocin

> > > > too?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Are you taking antibiotics for a rheumatic disease? I have never had

this response to Minocin, but I did once to Clitheramycin. And I tend

to be constipated. I am so glad to connec with someone else who has

had this problem!

On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> RX only, and sometimes hard to get, here in France I was very lucky

> to find a great Dr, In the UK however its another matter, extracting

> teeth is easier.

>

> Good luck, they do actually work, unlike the plethora of alternatives

> I experimented with in the 4 year endeavor.

>

> On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:21, Beckman wrote:

>

> > Thanks a lot. I will definitely look up the anti-fungals, but do are

> > they over the counter or by prescription?

> > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> >

> > > No but I have tried about 10 different abx over the years.

> > >

> > > They all seem to constipate, I had this for 4 years, A/F were the

> > > only things that resolved this.

> > > s

> > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:48, Beckman wrote:

> > >

> > > > Were you on Clindamycin?

> > > >

> > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Maybe try anti fungals this is what worked for me, I used oral

> > > > > fungilin / fungizone.

> > > > >

> > > > > s

> > > > >

> > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Beckman wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my second time taking

> > > > > > Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now Saturday). I never felt

> > > > better in

> > > > > > yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have not moved my

> bowels

> > > > since

> > > > > > I started it, not even on the two days that I was back on

> > > > Minocin. I

> > > > > > take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic onstipation, but

> Ethel

> > > > > > recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked for months. Now I

> > > > take my

> > > > > > two with dinner, but nothing happens. I feel motility is

> > slow--

> > > > ie, I

> > > > > > hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool is up way high

> > and not

> > > > > > moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it will be four days

> > > > without

> > > > > > going)? Or should I take three tonight at dinner and see

> what

> > > > > > happens? Help! L.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE GIBSON wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking it that way, was

> > very

> > > > > hard

> > > > > > > on the gut...

> > > > > > > rheumatic Clindamycin question

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi, group,

> > > > > > > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI joints and sometimes

> > right

> > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this week he put me on

> 300mg

> > > of

> > > > > > > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and Saturday (and 100 mg

> > bid

> > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > the other five days). Someone recently wrote saying her

> > > sister

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered how much. When I

> took

> > > 300

> > > > > > mg of

> > > > > > > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt better than I have in

> > > years,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can do it again. But

> > isn't

> > > > > > 1200 mg

> > > > > > > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it unusual to be taking

> > Minocin

> > > > > too?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I had ReA in 98, it took until about 2001 before I found and killed

it with ABX, back then it was incurable (like it is still pretty much

today) the constipation followed until 2006 worsening, then i took

anti fungals for about 18 months (no liver problems and 2, amp b.,

and Lamisil. Both very good). After 2 months the bowels were working.

I now still have some structural damage at a certian part of the

colon that is very hard to deal with (this all resulted from a

campylobactor infection which when undetected for 6 months following

cipro, but cipro was instrumental in killing ReA as was Biaxin).

Its a tough game, if only i knew then what i know now, my trial could

have been limited to a year at most.

s

On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:26, Beckman wrote:

> Are you taking antibiotics for a rheumatic disease? I have never had

> this response to Minocin, but I did once to Clitheramycin. And I tend

> to be constipated. I am so glad to connec with someone else who has

> had this problem!

> On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

>

> > RX only, and sometimes hard to get, here in France I was very lucky

> > to find a great Dr, In the UK however its another matter, extracting

> > teeth is easier.

> >

> > Good luck, they do actually work, unlike the plethora of

> alternatives

> > I experimented with in the 4 year endeavor.

> >

> > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:21, Beckman wrote:

> >

> > > Thanks a lot. I will definitely look up the anti-fungals, but

> do are

> > > they over the counter or by prescription?

> > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > >

> > > > No but I have tried about 10 different abx over the years.

> > > >

> > > > They all seem to constipate, I had this for 4 years, A/F were

> the

> > > > only things that resolved this.

> > > > s

> > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:48, Beckman wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Were you on Clindamycin?

> > > > >

> > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Maybe try anti fungals this is what worked for me, I used

> oral

> > > > > > fungilin / fungizone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > s

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my second time

> taking

> > > > > > > Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now Saturday). I never felt

> > > > > better in

> > > > > > > yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have not moved my

> > bowels

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > I started it, not even on the two days that I was back on

> > > > > Minocin. I

> > > > > > > take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic onstipation, but

> > Ethel

> > > > > > > recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked for months.

> Now I

> > > > > take my

> > > > > > > two with dinner, but nothing happens. I feel motility is

> > > slow--

> > > > > ie, I

> > > > > > > hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool is up way high

> > > and not

> > > > > > > moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it will be four

> days

> > > > > without

> > > > > > > going)? Or should I take three tonight at dinner and see

> > what

> > > > > > > happens? Help! L.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE GIBSON wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking it that way,

> was

> > > very

> > > > > > hard

> > > > > > > > on the gut...

> > > > > > > > rheumatic Clindamycin question

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi, group,

> > > > > > > > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI joints and sometimes

> > > right

> > > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this week he put me on

> > 300mg

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and Saturday (and

> 100 mg

> > > bid

> > > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > > the other five days). Someone recently wrote saying

> her

> > > > sister

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered how much. When I

> > took

> > > > 300

> > > > > > > mg of

> > > > > > > > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt better than I

> have in

> > > > years,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can do it again. But

> > > isn't

> > > > > > > 1200 mg

> > > > > > > > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it unusual to be taking

> > > Minocin

> > > > > > too?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I am not sure I follow. What would you do differently besides taking

anti-fungals? I am still being treated for RA--was on Minocin and

zithromax for a year, somewhat better but have a long way to go. Then

the doc replaced the zithro twice a week with the clindamycin. I know

that cipro is a problem. It is strong, and effective. it created

tendonitis in my husband, so that he is still struggling with pain in

his groin.

I think it's so great how the web lets us help each other around the

world. I am in the US.

On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> I had ReA in 98, it took until about 2001 before I found and killed

> it with ABX, back then it was incurable (like it is still pretty much

> today) the constipation followed until 2006 worsening, then i took

> anti fungals for about 18 months (no liver problems and 2, amp b.,

> and Lamisil. Both very good). After 2 months the bowels were working.

>

> I now still have some structural damage at a certian part of the

> colon that is very hard to deal with (this all resulted from a

> campylobactor infection which when undetected for 6 months following

> cipro, but cipro was instrumental in killing ReA as was Biaxin).

>

> Its a tough game, if only i knew then what i know now, my trial could

> have been limited to a year at most.

>

> s

> On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:26, Beckman wrote:

>

> > Are you taking antibiotics for a rheumatic disease? I have never had

> > this response to Minocin, but I did once to Clitheramycin. And I

> tend

> > to be constipated. I am so glad to connec with someone else who has

> > had this problem!

> > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> >

> > > RX only, and sometimes hard to get, here in France I was very

> lucky

> > > to find a great Dr, In the UK however its another matter,

> extracting

> > > teeth is easier.

> > >

> > > Good luck, they do actually work, unlike the plethora of

> > alternatives

> > > I experimented with in the 4 year endeavor.

> > >

> > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:21, Beckman wrote:

> > >

> > > > Thanks a lot. I will definitely look up the anti-fungals, but

> > do are

> > > > they over the counter or by prescription?

> > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > No but I have tried about 10 different abx over the years.

> > > > >

> > > > > They all seem to constipate, I had this for 4 years, A/F were

> > the

> > > > > only things that resolved this.

> > > > > s

> > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:48, Beckman wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Were you on Clindamycin?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Maybe try anti fungals this is what worked for me, I used

> > oral

> > > > > > > fungilin / fungizone.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > s

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my second time

> > taking

> > > > > > > > Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now Saturday). I never

> felt

> > > > > > better in

> > > > > > > > yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have not moved my

> > > bowels

> > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > I started it, not even on the two days that I was back

> on

> > > > > > Minocin. I

> > > > > > > > take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic onstipation, but

> > > Ethel

> > > > > > > > recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked for months.

> > Now I

> > > > > > take my

> > > > > > > > two with dinner, but nothing happens. I feel motility is

> > > > slow--

> > > > > > ie, I

> > > > > > > > hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool is up way high

> > > > and not

> > > > > > > > moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it will be four

> > days

> > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > going)? Or should I take three tonight at dinner and see

> > > what

> > > > > > > > happens? Help! L.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE GIBSON wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking it that way,

> > was

> > > > very

> > > > > > > hard

> > > > > > > > > on the gut...

> > > > > > > > > rheumatic Clindamycin question

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hi, group,

> > > > > > > > > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI joints and

> sometimes

> > > > right

> > > > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this week he put me on

> > > 300mg

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and Saturday (and

> > 100 mg

> > > > bid

> > > > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > > > the other five days). Someone recently wrote saying

> > her

> > > > > sister

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered how much. When I

> > > took

> > > > > 300

> > > > > > > > mg of

> > > > > > > > > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt better than I

> > have in

> > > > > years,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can do it again.

> But

> > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > 1200 mg

> > > > > > > > > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it unusual to be taking

> > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > too?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I know many have had trouble after Cipro its domestous in the abx

world, yet it is sometimes the only player that has got the punch to

kill the beasts, as we know, one size does not fit all, many will

have different reactions and have different levels of aggression from

the beasts. Despite the problems with Cipro, I don't think I would

have made it this far without it, but the time on it was very rough.

Many I know have had to stop as the herx can be harsh to say the least.

What I did wrong is not have and know the game like I do know, no

support from Drs caused me to go it alone, without tests, advice etc,

we make errors. My No1 error was to wait so long before being on

aggressive abx, No2, was not taking abx again after getting the colon

infection ( the malpractice I suffered knows no limits). No3 was

waiting so long to use A/F. No4 was wasting so much time on

'alternatives' as I was so disgusted with the allopathic system of

delivery (NONE), this led to a long drawn 18 months of expensive

(time / health and money) loss.

On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:39, Beckman wrote:

> I am not sure I follow. What would you do differently besides taking

> anti-fungals? I am still being treated for RA--was on Minocin and

> zithromax for a year, somewhat better but have a long way to go. Then

> the doc replaced the zithro twice a week with the clindamycin. I know

> that cipro is a problem. It is strong, and effective. it created

> tendonitis in my husband, so that he is still struggling with pain in

> his groin.

>

> I think it's so great how the web lets us help each other around the

> world. I am in the US.

>

>

>

> On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

>

> > I had ReA in 98, it took until about 2001 before I found and killed

> > it with ABX, back then it was incurable (like it is still pretty

> much

> > today) the constipation followed until 2006 worsening, then i took

> > anti fungals for about 18 months (no liver problems and 2, amp b.,

> > and Lamisil. Both very good). After 2 months the bowels were

> working.

> >

> > I now still have some structural damage at a certian part of the

> > colon that is very hard to deal with (this all resulted from a

> > campylobactor infection which when undetected for 6 months following

> > cipro, but cipro was instrumental in killing ReA as was Biaxin).

> >

> > Its a tough game, if only i knew then what i know now, my trial

> could

> > have been limited to a year at most.

> >

> > s

> > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:26, Beckman wrote:

> >

> > > Are you taking antibiotics for a rheumatic disease? I have

> never had

> > > this response to Minocin, but I did once to Clitheramycin. And I

> > tend

> > > to be constipated. I am so glad to connec with someone else who

> has

> > > had this problem!

> > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > >

> > > > RX only, and sometimes hard to get, here in France I was very

> > lucky

> > > > to find a great Dr, In the UK however its another matter,

> > extracting

> > > > teeth is easier.

> > > >

> > > > Good luck, they do actually work, unlike the plethora of

> > > alternatives

> > > > I experimented with in the 4 year endeavor.

> > > >

> > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:21, Beckman wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Thanks a lot. I will definitely look up the anti-fungals, but

> > > do are

> > > > > they over the counter or by prescription?

> > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > No but I have tried about 10 different abx over the years.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > They all seem to constipate, I had this for 4 years, A/F

> were

> > > the

> > > > > > only things that resolved this.

> > > > > > s

> > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:48, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Were you on Clindamycin?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Maybe try anti fungals this is what worked for me, I

> used

> > > oral

> > > > > > > > fungilin / fungizone.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my second time

> > > taking

> > > > > > > > > Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now Saturday). I never

> > felt

> > > > > > > better in

> > > > > > > > > yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have not moved my

> > > > bowels

> > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > I started it, not even on the two days that I was back

> > on

> > > > > > > Minocin. I

> > > > > > > > > take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic

> onstipation, but

> > > > Ethel

> > > > > > > > > recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked for months.

> > > Now I

> > > > > > > take my

> > > > > > > > > two with dinner, but nothing happens. I feel

> motility is

> > > > > slow--

> > > > > > > ie, I

> > > > > > > > > hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool is up way

> high

> > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it will be

> four

> > > days

> > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > going)? Or should I take three tonight at dinner

> and see

> > > > what

> > > > > > > > > happens? Help! L.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE GIBSON wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking it that

> way,

> > > was

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > > hard

> > > > > > > > > > on the gut...

> > > > > > > > > > rheumatic Clindamycin question

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hi, group,

> > > > > > > > > > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI joints and

> > sometimes

> > > > > right

> > > > > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > > > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this week he put

> me on

> > > > 300mg

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and Saturday (and

> > > 100 mg

> > > > > bid

> > > > > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > > > > the other five days). Someone recently wrote

> saying

> > > her

> > > > > > sister

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered how much.

> When I

> > > > took

> > > > > > 300

> > > > > > > > > mg of

> > > > > > > > > > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt better than I

> > > have in

> > > > > > years,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can do it again.

> > But

> > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > > 1200 mg

> > > > > > > > > > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it unusual to be

> taking

> > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > too?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I understand how you feel about Drs! Here in the US it is possible

to find out about antibiotic therapy only if you are lucky and chance

on a website or someone tells you (probably not a doctor). Mainstream

medicine still rejects the idea. But I finally heard about it, got a

dr. to test me for Mycoplasma antibodies, and when he found them he

started on doxycycline, which helped--for a while. The most used

medication in the antibiotic protocols here is Minocycline (in the

form of Minocin, pelletized, the brand. The generic hardly works.) I

didn't know what was wrong with me as they kept testing for an

rheumatic isease--and they didn't find the RA in the blood. (Now my

rheumatologist says that I have seronegative arthritis ( no blood

markers, though people sometimes get them as time goes by. I hope to

be better by then.( I found the Road Back Foundation site, and this

gave me the idea of antibiotics. My rheumatologist uses them against

autoimmune diseases because his grandmother was cured by

MacPherson Brown, the dr. who first did research with autoimmune

diseases and antibiotics in the 1950s (now dead). The dr. is a

mainstream rheumy and uses other anti-rheumatic meds if he has to, but

knows they ultimately don't work and are dangerous. He tries to use

antibiotics and knows a great deal. I wish it was Monday so I could

call him.

You and I must be alike chemically because I had the same total

constipation from another macrolide, Clarithromycin (I spelled it

wrong before). Maybe an anti-fungal will help. The one that people

on this website seem to use is Diflucan. Have you tried that?

Too bad about the damage your colon. You complain about malpractice

in England, but I had previously thought it was American medicine that

was the culprit! I had a spinal fusion that I didn't need because

they didn't realize my back pain was part of an autoimmune disease and

insisted on operating in 2000. That was before I knew enough to

protect myself. But it is wonderful that your RA is gone!

What is your name?

On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> I know many have had trouble after Cipro its domestous in the abx

> world, yet it is sometimes the only player that has got the punch to

> kill the beasts, as we know, one size does not fit all, many will

> have different reactions and have different levels of aggression from

> the beasts. Despite the problems with Cipro, I don't think I would

> have made it this far without it, but the time on it was very rough.

> Many I know have had to stop as the herx can be harsh to say the

> least.

>

> What I did wrong is not have and know the game like I do know, no

> support from Drs caused me to go it alone, without tests, advice etc,

> we make errors. My No1 error was to wait so long before being on

> aggressive abx, No2, was not taking abx again after getting the colon

> infection ( the malpractice I suffered knows no limits). No3 was

> waiting so long to use A/F. No4 was wasting so much time on

> 'alternatives' as I was so disgusted with the allopathic system of

> delivery (NONE), this led to a long drawn 18 months of expensive

> (time / health and money) loss.

>

> On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:39, Beckman wrote:

>

> > I am not sure I follow. What would you do differently besides taking

> > anti-fungals? I am still being treated for RA--was on Minocin and

> > zithromax for a year, somewhat better but have a long way to go.

> Then

> > the doc replaced the zithro twice a week with the clindamycin. I

> know

> > that cipro is a problem. It is strong, and effective. it created

> > tendonitis in my husband, so that he is still struggling with pain

> in

> > his groin.

> >

> > I think it's so great how the web lets us help each other around the

> > world. I am in the US.

> >

> >

> >

> > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> >

> > > I had ReA in 98, it took until about 2001 before I found and

> killed

> > > it with ABX, back then it was incurable (like it is still pretty

> > much

> > > today) the constipation followed until 2006 worsening, then i took

> > > anti fungals for about 18 months (no liver problems and 2, amp b.,

> > > and Lamisil. Both very good). After 2 months the bowels were

> > working.

> > >

> > > I now still have some structural damage at a certian part of the

> > > colon that is very hard to deal with (this all resulted from a

> > > campylobactor infection which when undetected for 6 months

> following

> > > cipro, but cipro was instrumental in killing ReA as was Biaxin).

> > >

> > > Its a tough game, if only i knew then what i know now, my trial

> > could

> > > have been limited to a year at most.

> > >

> > > s

> > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:26, Beckman wrote:

> > >

> > > > Are you taking antibiotics for a rheumatic disease? I have

> > never had

> > > > this response to Minocin, but I did once to Clitheramycin. And I

> > > tend

> > > > to be constipated. I am so glad to connec with someone else who

> > has

> > > > had this problem!

> > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > RX only, and sometimes hard to get, here in France I was very

> > > lucky

> > > > > to find a great Dr, In the UK however its another matter,

> > > extracting

> > > > > teeth is easier.

> > > > >

> > > > > Good luck, they do actually work, unlike the plethora of

> > > > alternatives

> > > > > I experimented with in the 4 year endeavor.

> > > > >

> > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:21, Beckman wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks a lot. I will definitely look up the anti-fungals,

> but

> > > > do are

> > > > > > they over the counter or by prescription?

> > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > No but I have tried about 10 different abx over the years.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > They all seem to constipate, I had this for 4 years, A/F

> > were

> > > > the

> > > > > > > only things that resolved this.

> > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:48, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Were you on Clindamycin?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Maybe try anti fungals this is what worked for me, I

> > used

> > > > oral

> > > > > > > > > fungilin / fungizone.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my second time

> > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now Saturday). I never

> > > felt

> > > > > > > > better in

> > > > > > > > > > yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have not

> moved my

> > > > > bowels

> > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > I started it, not even on the two days that I was

> back

> > > on

> > > > > > > > Minocin. I

> > > > > > > > > > take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic

> > onstipation, but

> > > > > Ethel

> > > > > > > > > > recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked for

> months.

> > > > Now I

> > > > > > > > take my

> > > > > > > > > > two with dinner, but nothing happens. I feel

> > motility is

> > > > > > slow--

> > > > > > > > ie, I

> > > > > > > > > > hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool is up way

> > high

> > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > > moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it will be

> > four

> > > > days

> > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > going)? Or should I take three tonight at dinner

> > and see

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > happens? Help! L.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE GIBSON wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking it that

> > way,

> > > > was

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > hard

> > > > > > > > > > > on the gut...

> > > > > > > > > > > rheumatic Clindamycin question

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, group,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI joints and

> > > sometimes

> > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > > > > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this week he put

> > me on

> > > > > 300mg

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and Saturday (and

> > > > 100 mg

> > > > > > bid

> > > > > > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > > > > > the other five days). Someone recently wrote

> > saying

> > > > her

> > > > > > > sister

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered how much.

> > When I

> > > > > took

> > > > > > > 300

> > > > > > > > > > mg of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt better than I

> > > > have in

> > > > > > > years,

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can do it

> again.

> > > But

> > > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > > > 1200 mg

> > > > > > > > > > > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it unusual to be

> > taking

> > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > > too?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Hi linda, Im steve,

I know all about Dr Brown, and his good work, It was the first book

that shook the tree for me, I spent 2 years in the British library

studding everyday to fix myself. I did not have RA but ReA which is a

rather more aggressive form that pollutes and invades the entire

body. Oh for your husband BTW Lamisl is the only tool that I found

that gets right into the prostate (others confirm this). Clairthmycin

is Biaxin, that is one of the other tools that helped me a lot, I

combined them with cipro, but I have taken many many abx in

experiments (self prescribed). Minocin I could never get brand and

upset the blood pressure. Zitromax does not seem to remain effective

for long. Doxy seems ok for some time but not the heavy artillery

that is needed, erythromycin same.

Diflucan is expensive and seems to not remain effective for long, I

strongly recommend Amp b (funglin / fungizone) all same (must be

oral), cheap effective and makes the colon work, Nystatin seems to be

harsh and not work so well. lamisil is great and a systemic so gets

into places that others don't (sinuses etc), I really believe you

need to combine them.

On 12 Jul 2008, at 20:12, Beckman wrote:

> I understand how you feel about Drs! Here in the US it is possible

> to find out about antibiotic therapy only if you are lucky and chance

> on a website or someone tells you (probably not a doctor). Mainstream

> medicine still rejects the idea. But I finally heard about it, got a

> dr. to test me for Mycoplasma antibodies, and when he found them he

> started on doxycycline, which helped--for a while. The most used

> medication in the antibiotic protocols here is Minocycline (in the

> form of Minocin, pelletized, the brand. The generic hardly works.) I

> didn't know what was wrong with me as they kept testing for an

> rheumatic isease--and they didn't find the RA in the blood. (Now my

> rheumatologist says that I have seronegative arthritis ( no blood

> markers, though people sometimes get them as time goes by. I hope to

> be better by then.( I found the Road Back Foundation site, and this

> gave me the idea of antibiotics. My rheumatologist uses them against

> autoimmune diseases because his grandmother was cured by

> MacPherson Brown, the dr. who first did research with autoimmune

> diseases and antibiotics in the 1950s (now dead). The dr. is a

> mainstream rheumy and uses other anti-rheumatic meds if he has to, but

> knows they ultimately don't work and are dangerous. He tries to use

> antibiotics and knows a great deal. I wish it was Monday so I could

> call him.

>

> You and I must be alike chemically because I had the same total

> constipation from another macrolide, Clarithromycin (I spelled it

> wrong before). Maybe an anti-fungal will help. The one that people

> on this website seem to use is Diflucan. Have you tried that?

>

> Too bad about the damage your colon. You complain about malpractice

> in England, but I had previously thought it was American medicine that

> was the culprit! I had a spinal fusion that I didn't need because

> they didn't realize my back pain was part of an autoimmune disease and

> insisted on operating in 2000. That was before I knew enough to

> protect myself. But it is wonderful that your RA is gone!

>

> What is your name?

>

>

>

>

> On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

>

> > I know many have had trouble after Cipro its domestous in the abx

> > world, yet it is sometimes the only player that has got the punch to

> > kill the beasts, as we know, one size does not fit all, many will

> > have different reactions and have different levels of aggression

> from

> > the beasts. Despite the problems with Cipro, I don't think I would

> > have made it this far without it, but the time on it was very rough.

> > Many I know have had to stop as the herx can be harsh to say the

> > least.

> >

> > What I did wrong is not have and know the game like I do know, no

> > support from Drs caused me to go it alone, without tests, advice

> etc,

> > we make errors. My No1 error was to wait so long before being on

> > aggressive abx, No2, was not taking abx again after getting the

> colon

> > infection ( the malpractice I suffered knows no limits). No3 was

> > waiting so long to use A/F. No4 was wasting so much time on

> > 'alternatives' as I was so disgusted with the allopathic system of

> > delivery (NONE), this led to a long drawn 18 months of expensive

> > (time / health and money) loss.

> >

> > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:39, Beckman wrote:

> >

> > > I am not sure I follow. What would you do differently besides

> taking

> > > anti-fungals? I am still being treated for RA--was on Minocin and

> > > zithromax for a year, somewhat better but have a long way to go.

> > Then

> > > the doc replaced the zithro twice a week with the clindamycin. I

> > know

> > > that cipro is a problem. It is strong, and effective. it created

> > > tendonitis in my husband, so that he is still struggling with pain

> > in

> > > his groin.

> > >

> > > I think it's so great how the web lets us help each other

> around the

> > > world. I am in the US.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > >

> > > > I had ReA in 98, it took until about 2001 before I found and

> > killed

> > > > it with ABX, back then it was incurable (like it is still pretty

> > > much

> > > > today) the constipation followed until 2006 worsening, then i

> took

> > > > anti fungals for about 18 months (no liver problems and 2,

> amp b.,

> > > > and Lamisil. Both very good). After 2 months the bowels were

> > > working.

> > > >

> > > > I now still have some structural damage at a certian part of the

> > > > colon that is very hard to deal with (this all resulted from a

> > > > campylobactor infection which when undetected for 6 months

> > following

> > > > cipro, but cipro was instrumental in killing ReA as was Biaxin).

> > > >

> > > > Its a tough game, if only i knew then what i know now, my trial

> > > could

> > > > have been limited to a year at most.

> > > >

> > > > s

> > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:26, Beckman wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Are you taking antibiotics for a rheumatic disease? I have

> > > never had

> > > > > this response to Minocin, but I did once to Clitheramycin.

> And I

> > > > tend

> > > > > to be constipated. I am so glad to connec with someone else

> who

> > > has

> > > > > had this problem!

> > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > RX only, and sometimes hard to get, here in France I was

> very

> > > > lucky

> > > > > > to find a great Dr, In the UK however its another matter,

> > > > extracting

> > > > > > teeth is easier.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good luck, they do actually work, unlike the plethora of

> > > > > alternatives

> > > > > > I experimented with in the 4 year endeavor.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:21, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks a lot. I will definitely look up the anti-fungals,

> > but

> > > > > do are

> > > > > > > they over the counter or by prescription?

> > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > No but I have tried about 10 different abx over the

> years.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > They all seem to constipate, I had this for 4 years, A/F

> > > were

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > only things that resolved this.

> > > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:48, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Were you on Clindamycin?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Maybe try anti fungals this is what worked for me, I

> > > used

> > > > > oral

> > > > > > > > > > fungilin / fungizone.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my second

> time

> > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now Saturday). I

> never

> > > > felt

> > > > > > > > > better in

> > > > > > > > > > > yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have not

> > moved my

> > > > > > bowels

> > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > I started it, not even on the two days that I was

> > back

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > > Minocin. I

> > > > > > > > > > > take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic

> > > onstipation, but

> > > > > > Ethel

> > > > > > > > > > > recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked for

> > months.

> > > > > Now I

> > > > > > > > > take my

> > > > > > > > > > > two with dinner, but nothing happens. I feel

> > > motility is

> > > > > > > slow--

> > > > > > > > > ie, I

> > > > > > > > > > > hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool is up

> way

> > > high

> > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > > > moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it will be

> > > four

> > > > > days

> > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > going)? Or should I take three tonight at dinner

> > > and see

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > happens? Help! L.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE GIBSON wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking it that

> > > way,

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > hard

> > > > > > > > > > > > on the gut...

> > > > > > > > > > > > rheumatic Clindamycin question

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, group,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI joints and

> > > > sometimes

> > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this week he put

> > > me on

> > > > > > 300mg

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and Saturday

> (and

> > > > > 100 mg

> > > > > > > bid

> > > > > > > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the other five days). Someone recently wrote

> > > saying

> > > > > her

> > > > > > > > sister

> > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered how much.

> > > When I

> > > > > > took

> > > > > > > > 300

> > > > > > > > > > > mg of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt better

> than I

> > > > > have in

> > > > > > > > years,

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can do it

> > again.

> > > > But

> > > > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > > > > 1200 mg

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it unusual to be

> > > taking

> > > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > > > too?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Steve,

You must be a doctor if you were self-prescribing. My husband's

problem is terrible tendonitis in his adductor longus, not his

prostate. What would you recommend? I hope I can get my dr. to

prescribe the Amp b and Lamisil!

On Jul 12, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> Hi linda, Im steve,

>

> I know all about Dr Brown, and his good work, It was the first book

> that shook the tree for me, I spent 2 years in the British library

> studding everyday to fix myself. I did not have RA but ReA which is a

> rather more aggressive form that pollutes and invades the entire

> body. Oh for your husband BTW Lamisl is the only tool that I found

> that gets right into the prostate (others confirm this). Clairthmycin

> is Biaxin, that is one of the other tools that helped me a lot, I

> combined them with cipro, but I have taken many many abx in

> experiments (self prescribed). Minocin I could never get brand and

> upset the blood pressure. Zitromax does not seem to remain effective

> for long. Doxy seems ok for some time but not the heavy artillery

> that is needed, erythromycin same.

>

> Diflucan is expensive and seems to not remain effective for long, I

> strongly recommend Amp b (funglin / fungizone) all same (must be

> oral), cheap effective and makes the colon work, Nystatin seems to be

> harsh and not work so well. lamisil is great and a systemic so gets

> into places that others don't (sinuses etc), I really believe you

> need to combine them.

>

> On 12 Jul 2008, at 20:12, Beckman wrote:

>

> > I understand how you feel about Drs! Here in the US it is possible

> > to find out about antibiotic therapy only if you are lucky and

> chance

> > on a website or someone tells you (probably not a doctor).

> Mainstream

> > medicine still rejects the idea. But I finally heard about it, got a

> > dr. to test me for Mycoplasma antibodies, and when he found them he

> > started on doxycycline, which helped--for a while. The most used

> > medication in the antibiotic protocols here is Minocycline (in the

> > form of Minocin, pelletized, the brand. The generic hardly works.) I

> > didn't know what was wrong with me as they kept testing for an

> > rheumatic isease--and they didn't find the RA in the blood. (Now my

> > rheumatologist says that I have seronegative arthritis ( no blood

> > markers, though people sometimes get them as time goes by. I hope to

> > be better by then.( I found the Road Back Foundation site, and this

> > gave me the idea of antibiotics. My rheumatologist uses them against

> > autoimmune diseases because his grandmother was cured by

> > MacPherson Brown, the dr. who first did research with autoimmune

> > diseases and antibiotics in the 1950s (now dead). The dr. is a

> > mainstream rheumy and uses other anti-rheumatic meds if he has to,

> but

> > knows they ultimately don't work and are dangerous. He tries to use

> > antibiotics and knows a great deal. I wish it was Monday so I could

> > call him.

> >

> > You and I must be alike chemically because I had the same total

> > constipation from another macrolide, Clarithromycin (I spelled it

> > wrong before). Maybe an anti-fungal will help. The one that people

> > on this website seem to use is Diflucan. Have you tried that?

> >

> > Too bad about the damage your colon. You complain about malpractice

> > in England, but I had previously thought it was American medicine

> that

> > was the culprit! I had a spinal fusion that I didn't need because

> > they didn't realize my back pain was part of an autoimmune disease

> and

> > insisted on operating in 2000. That was before I knew enough to

> > protect myself. But it is wonderful that your RA is gone!

> >

> > What is your name?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> >

> > > I know many have had trouble after Cipro its domestous in the abx

> > > world, yet it is sometimes the only player that has got the

> punch to

> > > kill the beasts, as we know, one size does not fit all, many will

> > > have different reactions and have different levels of aggression

> > from

> > > the beasts. Despite the problems with Cipro, I don't think I would

> > > have made it this far without it, but the time on it was very

> rough.

> > > Many I know have had to stop as the herx can be harsh to say the

> > > least.

> > >

> > > What I did wrong is not have and know the game like I do know, no

> > > support from Drs caused me to go it alone, without tests, advice

> > etc,

> > > we make errors. My No1 error was to wait so long before being on

> > > aggressive abx, No2, was not taking abx again after getting the

> > colon

> > > infection ( the malpractice I suffered knows no limits). No3 was

> > > waiting so long to use A/F. No4 was wasting so much time on

> > > 'alternatives' as I was so disgusted with the allopathic system of

> > > delivery (NONE), this led to a long drawn 18 months of expensive

> > > (time / health and money) loss.

> > >

> > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:39, Beckman wrote:

> > >

> > > > I am not sure I follow. What would you do differently besides

> > taking

> > > > anti-fungals? I am still being treated for RA--was on Minocin

> and

> > > > zithromax for a year, somewhat better but have a long way to go.

> > > Then

> > > > the doc replaced the zithro twice a week with the clindamycin. I

> > > know

> > > > that cipro is a problem. It is strong, and effective. it created

> > > > tendonitis in my husband, so that he is still struggling with

> pain

> > > in

> > > > his groin.

> > > >

> > > > I think it's so great how the web lets us help each other

> > around the

> > > > world. I am in the US.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > I had ReA in 98, it took until about 2001 before I found and

> > > killed

> > > > > it with ABX, back then it was incurable (like it is still

> pretty

> > > > much

> > > > > today) the constipation followed until 2006 worsening, then i

> > took

> > > > > anti fungals for about 18 months (no liver problems and 2,

> > amp b.,

> > > > > and Lamisil. Both very good). After 2 months the bowels were

> > > > working.

> > > > >

> > > > > I now still have some structural damage at a certian part of

> the

> > > > > colon that is very hard to deal with (this all resulted from a

> > > > > campylobactor infection which when undetected for 6 months

> > > following

> > > > > cipro, but cipro was instrumental in killing ReA as was

> Biaxin).

> > > > >

> > > > > Its a tough game, if only i knew then what i know now, my

> trial

> > > > could

> > > > > have been limited to a year at most.

> > > > >

> > > > > s

> > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:26, Beckman wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Are you taking antibiotics for a rheumatic disease? I have

> > > > never had

> > > > > > this response to Minocin, but I did once to Clitheramycin.

> > And I

> > > > > tend

> > > > > > to be constipated. I am so glad to connec with someone else

> > who

> > > > has

> > > > > > had this problem!

> > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > RX only, and sometimes hard to get, here in France I was

> > very

> > > > > lucky

> > > > > > > to find a great Dr, In the UK however its another matter,

> > > > > extracting

> > > > > > > teeth is easier.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good luck, they do actually work, unlike the plethora of

> > > > > > alternatives

> > > > > > > I experimented with in the 4 year endeavor.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:21, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. I will definitely look up the anti-

> fungals,

> > > but

> > > > > > do are

> > > > > > > > they over the counter or by prescription?

> > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > No but I have tried about 10 different abx over the

> > years.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > They all seem to constipate, I had this for 4 years,

> A/F

> > > > were

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > only things that resolved this.

> > > > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:48, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Were you on Clindamycin?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Maybe try anti fungals this is what worked for

> me, I

> > > > used

> > > > > > oral

> > > > > > > > > > > fungilin / fungizone.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my second

> > time

> > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > > Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now Saturday). I

> > never

> > > > > felt

> > > > > > > > > > better in

> > > > > > > > > > > > yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have not

> > > moved my

> > > > > > > bowels

> > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > I started it, not even on the two days that I

> was

> > > back

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > Minocin. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic

> > > > onstipation, but

> > > > > > > Ethel

> > > > > > > > > > > > recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked for

> > > months.

> > > > > > Now I

> > > > > > > > > > take my

> > > > > > > > > > > > two with dinner, but nothing happens. I feel

> > > > motility is

> > > > > > > > slow--

> > > > > > > > > > ie, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool is up

> > way

> > > > high

> > > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > > > > moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it

> will be

> > > > four

> > > > > > days

> > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > going)? Or should I take three tonight at dinner

> > > > and see

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > happens? Help! L.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE GIBSON

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking it

> that

> > > > way,

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > hard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on the gut...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rheumatic Clindamycin question

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, group,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI joints and

> > > > > sometimes

> > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this week he

> put

> > > > me on

> > > > > > > 300mg

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and Saturday

> > (and

> > > > > > 100 mg

> > > > > > > > bid

> > > > > > > > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the other five days). Someone recently wrote

> > > > saying

> > > > > > her

> > > > > > > > > sister

> > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered how

> much.

> > > > When I

> > > > > > > took

> > > > > > > > > 300

> > > > > > > > > > > > mg of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt better

> > than I

> > > > > > have in

> > > > > > > > > years,

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can do it

> > > again.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1200 mg

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it unusual to

> be

> > > > taking

> > > > > > > > Minocin

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[Guest guest]

Not a Dr, I bought my drugs over the counter in spain where its legal.

some people have claimed Magnesium is good for this, I have a hunch

that the beasts burrow into certain tissues and then as cipro kill

the infected cells in these places the damages is long lasting. I

guess its nerve damage. I would imagine without the beasts cipro

would have not effected him in such a way, one needs to ask then

would you want to kill the beasts or suffer with their damage, or try

other agents first. The problem is as we know the more agents you use

in advance the stronger the beasts can get if not killed and the more

colon damage we suffer. Its really a hit and miss game and I have not

met a Dr that has a better understanding, I think its pretty much pot

luck really all round, not least with the genes that we have which

open the doors for these beasts.

I dont know much what to suggest for the husband, I have heard Mg

does well, on another group infectionandinflamation2@... there

are some that have suffered and talked about this subject, you might

try and search though or put some posts up.

s

On 12 Jul 2008, at 20:33, Beckman wrote:

> Hi, Steve,

>

> You must be a doctor if you were self-prescribing. My husband's

> problem is terrible tendonitis in his adductor longus, not his

> prostate. What would you recommend? I hope I can get my dr. to

> prescribe the Amp b and Lamisil!

>

>

> On Jul 12, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

>

> > Hi linda, Im steve,

> >

> > I know all about Dr Brown, and his good work, It was the first book

> > that shook the tree for me, I spent 2 years in the British library

> > studding everyday to fix myself. I did not have RA but ReA which

> is a

> > rather more aggressive form that pollutes and invades the entire

> > body. Oh for your husband BTW Lamisl is the only tool that I found

> > that gets right into the prostate (others confirm this).

> Clairthmycin

> > is Biaxin, that is one of the other tools that helped me a lot, I

> > combined them with cipro, but I have taken many many abx in

> > experiments (self prescribed). Minocin I could never get brand and

> > upset the blood pressure. Zitromax does not seem to remain effective

> > for long. Doxy seems ok for some time but not the heavy artillery

> > that is needed, erythromycin same.

> >

> > Diflucan is expensive and seems to not remain effective for long, I

> > strongly recommend Amp b (funglin / fungizone) all same (must be

> > oral), cheap effective and makes the colon work, Nystatin seems

> to be

> > harsh and not work so well. lamisil is great and a systemic so gets

> > into places that others don't (sinuses etc), I really believe you

> > need to combine them.

> >

> > On 12 Jul 2008, at 20:12, Beckman wrote:

> >

> > > I understand how you feel about Drs! Here in the US it is possible

> > > to find out about antibiotic therapy only if you are lucky and

> > chance

> > > on a website or someone tells you (probably not a doctor).

> > Mainstream

> > > medicine still rejects the idea. But I finally heard about it,

> got a

> > > dr. to test me for Mycoplasma antibodies, and when he found

> them he

> > > started on doxycycline, which helped--for a while. The most used

> > > medication in the antibiotic protocols here is Minocycline (in the

> > > form of Minocin, pelletized, the brand. The generic hardly

> works.) I

> > > didn't know what was wrong with me as they kept testing for an

> > > rheumatic isease--and they didn't find the RA in the blood.

> (Now my

> > > rheumatologist says that I have seronegative arthritis ( no blood

> > > markers, though people sometimes get them as time goes by. I

> hope to

> > > be better by then.( I found the Road Back Foundation site, and

> this

> > > gave me the idea of antibiotics. My rheumatologist uses them

> against

> > > autoimmune diseases because his grandmother was cured by

> > > MacPherson Brown, the dr. who first did research with autoimmune

> > > diseases and antibiotics in the 1950s (now dead). The dr. is a

> > > mainstream rheumy and uses other anti-rheumatic meds if he has to,

> > but

> > > knows they ultimately don't work and are dangerous. He tries to

> use

> > > antibiotics and knows a great deal. I wish it was Monday so I

> could

> > > call him.

> > >

> > > You and I must be alike chemically because I had the same total

> > > constipation from another macrolide, Clarithromycin (I spelled it

> > > wrong before). Maybe an anti-fungal will help. The one that people

> > > on this website seem to use is Diflucan. Have you tried that?

> > >

> > > Too bad about the damage your colon. You complain about

> malpractice

> > > in England, but I had previously thought it was American medicine

> > that

> > > was the culprit! I had a spinal fusion that I didn't need because

> > > they didn't realize my back pain was part of an autoimmune disease

> > and

> > > insisted on operating in 2000. That was before I knew enough to

> > > protect myself. But it is wonderful that your RA is gone!

> > >

> > > What is your name?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > >

> > > > I know many have had trouble after Cipro its domestous in the

> abx

> > > > world, yet it is sometimes the only player that has got the

> > punch to

> > > > kill the beasts, as we know, one size does not fit all, many

> will

> > > > have different reactions and have different levels of aggression

> > > from

> > > > the beasts. Despite the problems with Cipro, I don't think I

> would

> > > > have made it this far without it, but the time on it was very

> > rough.

> > > > Many I know have had to stop as the herx can be harsh to say the

> > > > least.

> > > >

> > > > What I did wrong is not have and know the game like I do

> know, no

> > > > support from Drs caused me to go it alone, without tests, advice

> > > etc,

> > > > we make errors. My No1 error was to wait so long before being on

> > > > aggressive abx, No2, was not taking abx again after getting the

> > > colon

> > > > infection ( the malpractice I suffered knows no limits). No3 was

> > > > waiting so long to use A/F. No4 was wasting so much time on

> > > > 'alternatives' as I was so disgusted with the allopathic

> system of

> > > > delivery (NONE), this led to a long drawn 18 months of expensive

> > > > (time / health and money) loss.

> > > >

> > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:39, Beckman wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > I am not sure I follow. What would you do differently besides

> > > taking

> > > > > anti-fungals? I am still being treated for RA--was on Minocin

> > and

> > > > > zithromax for a year, somewhat better but have a long way

> to go.

> > > > Then

> > > > > the doc replaced the zithro twice a week with the

> clindamycin. I

> > > > know

> > > > > that cipro is a problem. It is strong, and effective. it

> created

> > > > > tendonitis in my husband, so that he is still struggling with

> > pain

> > > > in

> > > > > his groin.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think it's so great how the web lets us help each other

> > > around the

> > > > > world. I am in the US.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > I had ReA in 98, it took until about 2001 before I found and

> > > > killed

> > > > > > it with ABX, back then it was incurable (like it is still

> > pretty

> > > > > much

> > > > > > today) the constipation followed until 2006 worsening,

> then i

> > > took

> > > > > > anti fungals for about 18 months (no liver problems and 2,

> > > amp b.,

> > > > > > and Lamisil. Both very good). After 2 months the bowels were

> > > > > working.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I now still have some structural damage at a certian part of

> > the

> > > > > > colon that is very hard to deal with (this all resulted

> from a

> > > > > > campylobactor infection which when undetected for 6 months

> > > > following

> > > > > > cipro, but cipro was instrumental in killing ReA as was

> > Biaxin).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its a tough game, if only i knew then what i know now, my

> > trial

> > > > > could

> > > > > > have been limited to a year at most.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > s

> > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:26, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Are you taking antibiotics for a rheumatic disease? I have

> > > > > never had

> > > > > > > this response to Minocin, but I did once to Clitheramycin.

> > > And I

> > > > > > tend

> > > > > > > to be constipated. I am so glad to connec with someone

> else

> > > who

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > had this problem!

> > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RX only, and sometimes hard to get, here in France I was

> > > very

> > > > > > lucky

> > > > > > > > to find a great Dr, In the UK however its another

> matter,

> > > > > > extracting

> > > > > > > > teeth is easier.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Good luck, they do actually work, unlike the plethora of

> > > > > > > alternatives

> > > > > > > > I experimented with in the 4 year endeavor.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:21, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. I will definitely look up the anti-

> > fungals,

> > > > but

> > > > > > > do are

> > > > > > > > > they over the counter or by prescription?

> > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > No but I have tried about 10 different abx over the

> > > years.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > They all seem to constipate, I had this for 4 years,

> > A/F

> > > > > were

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > only things that resolved this.

> > > > > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:48, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Were you on Clindamycin?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe try anti fungals this is what worked for

> > me, I

> > > > > used

> > > > > > > oral

> > > > > > > > > > > > fungilin / fungizone.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my

> second

> > > time

> > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now Saturday). I

> > > never

> > > > > > felt

> > > > > > > > > > > better in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have not

> > > > moved my

> > > > > > > > bowels

> > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I started it, not even on the two days that I

> > was

> > > > back

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > Minocin. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic

> > > > > onstipation, but

> > > > > > > > Ethel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked for

> > > > months.

> > > > > > > Now I

> > > > > > > > > > > take my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > two with dinner, but nothing happens. I feel

> > > > > motility is

> > > > > > > > > slow--

> > > > > > > > > > > ie, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool

> is up

> > > way

> > > > > high

> > > > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it

> > will be

> > > > > four

> > > > > > > days

> > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > going)? Or should I take three tonight at

> dinner

> > > > > and see

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > happens? Help! L.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE GIBSON

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking it

> > that

> > > > > way,

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > hard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the gut...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rheumatic Clindamycin question

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, group,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI

> joints and

> > > > > > sometimes

> > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this week he

> > put

> > > > > me on

> > > > > > > > 300mg

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and

> Saturday

> > > (and

> > > > > > > 100 mg

> > > > > > > > > bid

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the other five days). Someone recently

> wrote

> > > > > saying

> > > > > > > her

> > > > > > > > > > sister

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered how

> > much.

> > > > > When I

> > > > > > > > took

> > > > > > > > > > 300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mg of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt better

> > > than I

> > > > > > > have in

> > > > > > > > > > years,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can do it

> > > > again.

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1200 mg

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it unusual to

> > be

> > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > > > > > too?

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One more mistake I made, I did not cut gluten out of my diet for

years (i did for a few years at the beginning but lapsed), this has

recently been cut out again and I have enjoyed a great boost to

general health as a result.

Another point about the tendonitis, I know someone else who had ReA

and treated with cipro (among others) he was a body builder and

continued to lift while on cipro (a big no no) he suffered damage as

a result, though that did subside naturally after about a year.

On 12 Jul 2008, at 20:33, Beckman wrote:

> Hi, Steve,

>

> You must be a doctor if you were self-prescribing. My husband's

> problem is terrible tendonitis in his adductor longus, not his

> prostate. What would you recommend? I hope I can get my dr. to

> prescribe the Amp b and Lamisil!

>

>

> On Jul 12, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

>

> > Hi linda, Im steve,

> >

> > I know all about Dr Brown, and his good work, It was the first book

> > that shook the tree for me, I spent 2 years in the British library

> > studding everyday to fix myself. I did not have RA but ReA which

> is a

> > rather more aggressive form that pollutes and invades the entire

> > body. Oh for your husband BTW Lamisl is the only tool that I found

> > that gets right into the prostate (others confirm this).

> Clairthmycin

> > is Biaxin, that is one of the other tools that helped me a lot, I

> > combined them with cipro, but I have taken many many abx in

> > experiments (self prescribed). Minocin I could never get brand and

> > upset the blood pressure. Zitromax does not seem to remain effective

> > for long. Doxy seems ok for some time but not the heavy artillery

> > that is needed, erythromycin same.

> >

> > Diflucan is expensive and seems to not remain effective for long, I

> > strongly recommend Amp b (funglin / fungizone) all same (must be

> > oral), cheap effective and makes the colon work, Nystatin seems

> to be

> > harsh and not work so well. lamisil is great and a systemic so gets

> > into places that others don't (sinuses etc), I really believe you

> > need to combine them.

> >

> > On 12 Jul 2008, at 20:12, Beckman wrote:

> >

> > > I understand how you feel about Drs! Here in the US it is possible

> > > to find out about antibiotic therapy only if you are lucky and

> > chance

> > > on a website or someone tells you (probably not a doctor).

> > Mainstream

> > > medicine still rejects the idea. But I finally heard about it,

> got a

> > > dr. to test me for Mycoplasma antibodies, and when he found

> them he

> > > started on doxycycline, which helped--for a while. The most used

> > > medication in the antibiotic protocols here is Minocycline (in the

> > > form of Minocin, pelletized, the brand. The generic hardly

> works.) I

> > > didn't know what was wrong with me as they kept testing for an

> > > rheumatic isease--and they didn't find the RA in the blood.

> (Now my

> > > rheumatologist says that I have seronegative arthritis ( no blood

> > > markers, though people sometimes get them as time goes by. I

> hope to

> > > be better by then.( I found the Road Back Foundation site, and

> this

> > > gave me the idea of antibiotics. My rheumatologist uses them

> against

> > > autoimmune diseases because his grandmother was cured by

> > > MacPherson Brown, the dr. who first did research with autoimmune

> > > diseases and antibiotics in the 1950s (now dead). The dr. is a

> > > mainstream rheumy and uses other anti-rheumatic meds if he has to,

> > but

> > > knows they ultimately don't work and are dangerous. He tries to

> use

> > > antibiotics and knows a great deal. I wish it was Monday so I

> could

> > > call him.

> > >

> > > You and I must be alike chemically because I had the same total

> > > constipation from another macrolide, Clarithromycin (I spelled it

> > > wrong before). Maybe an anti-fungal will help. The one that people

> > > on this website seem to use is Diflucan. Have you tried that?

> > >

> > > Too bad about the damage your colon. You complain about

> malpractice

> > > in England, but I had previously thought it was American medicine

> > that

> > > was the culprit! I had a spinal fusion that I didn't need because

> > > they didn't realize my back pain was part of an autoimmune disease

> > and

> > > insisted on operating in 2000. That was before I knew enough to

> > > protect myself. But it is wonderful that your RA is gone!

> > >

> > > What is your name?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > >

> > > > I know many have had trouble after Cipro its domestous in the

> abx

> > > > world, yet it is sometimes the only player that has got the

> > punch to

> > > > kill the beasts, as we know, one size does not fit all, many

> will

> > > > have different reactions and have different levels of aggression

> > > from

> > > > the beasts. Despite the problems with Cipro, I don't think I

> would

> > > > have made it this far without it, but the time on it was very

> > rough.

> > > > Many I know have had to stop as the herx can be harsh to say the

> > > > least.

> > > >

> > > > What I did wrong is not have and know the game like I do

> know, no

> > > > support from Drs caused me to go it alone, without tests, advice

> > > etc,

> > > > we make errors. My No1 error was to wait so long before being on

> > > > aggressive abx, No2, was not taking abx again after getting the

> > > colon

> > > > infection ( the malpractice I suffered knows no limits). No3 was

> > > > waiting so long to use A/F. No4 was wasting so much time on

> > > > 'alternatives' as I was so disgusted with the allopathic

> system of

> > > > delivery (NONE), this led to a long drawn 18 months of expensive

> > > > (time / health and money) loss.

> > > >

> > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:39, Beckman wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > I am not sure I follow. What would you do differently besides

> > > taking

> > > > > anti-fungals? I am still being treated for RA--was on Minocin

> > and

> > > > > zithromax for a year, somewhat better but have a long way

> to go.

> > > > Then

> > > > > the doc replaced the zithro twice a week with the

> clindamycin. I

> > > > know

> > > > > that cipro is a problem. It is strong, and effective. it

> created

> > > > > tendonitis in my husband, so that he is still struggling with

> > pain

> > > > in

> > > > > his groin.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think it's so great how the web lets us help each other

> > > around the

> > > > > world. I am in the US.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > I had ReA in 98, it took until about 2001 before I found and

> > > > killed

> > > > > > it with ABX, back then it was incurable (like it is still

> > pretty

> > > > > much

> > > > > > today) the constipation followed until 2006 worsening,

> then i

> > > took

> > > > > > anti fungals for about 18 months (no liver problems and 2,

> > > amp b.,

> > > > > > and Lamisil. Both very good). After 2 months the bowels were

> > > > > working.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I now still have some structural damage at a certian part of

> > the

> > > > > > colon that is very hard to deal with (this all resulted

> from a

> > > > > > campylobactor infection which when undetected for 6 months

> > > > following

> > > > > > cipro, but cipro was instrumental in killing ReA as was

> > Biaxin).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its a tough game, if only i knew then what i know now, my

> > trial

> > > > > could

> > > > > > have been limited to a year at most.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > s

> > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:26, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Are you taking antibiotics for a rheumatic disease? I have

> > > > > never had

> > > > > > > this response to Minocin, but I did once to Clitheramycin.

> > > And I

> > > > > > tend

> > > > > > > to be constipated. I am so glad to connec with someone

> else

> > > who

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > had this problem!

> > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RX only, and sometimes hard to get, here in France I was

> > > very

> > > > > > lucky

> > > > > > > > to find a great Dr, In the UK however its another

> matter,

> > > > > > extracting

> > > > > > > > teeth is easier.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Good luck, they do actually work, unlike the plethora of

> > > > > > > alternatives

> > > > > > > > I experimented with in the 4 year endeavor.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:21, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. I will definitely look up the anti-

> > fungals,

> > > > but

> > > > > > > do are

> > > > > > > > > they over the counter or by prescription?

> > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > No but I have tried about 10 different abx over the

> > > years.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > They all seem to constipate, I had this for 4 years,

> > A/F

> > > > > were

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > only things that resolved this.

> > > > > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:48, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Were you on Clindamycin?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe try anti fungals this is what worked for

> > me, I

> > > > > used

> > > > > > > oral

> > > > > > > > > > > > fungilin / fungizone.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my

> second

> > > time

> > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now Saturday). I

> > > never

> > > > > > felt

> > > > > > > > > > > better in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have not

> > > > moved my

> > > > > > > > bowels

> > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I started it, not even on the two days that I

> > was

> > > > back

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > Minocin. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic

> > > > > onstipation, but

> > > > > > > > Ethel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked for

> > > > months.

> > > > > > > Now I

> > > > > > > > > > > take my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > two with dinner, but nothing happens. I feel

> > > > > motility is

> > > > > > > > > slow--

> > > > > > > > > > > ie, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool

> is up

> > > way

> > > > > high

> > > > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it

> > will be

> > > > > four

> > > > > > > days

> > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > going)? Or should I take three tonight at

> dinner

> > > > > and see

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > happens? Help! L.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE GIBSON

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking it

> > that

> > > > > way,

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > hard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the gut...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rheumatic Clindamycin question

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, group,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI

> joints and

> > > > > > sometimes

> > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this week he

> > put

> > > > > me on

> > > > > > > > 300mg

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and

> Saturday

> > > (and

> > > > > > > 100 mg

> > > > > > > > > bid

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the other five days). Someone recently

> wrote

> > > > > saying

> > > > > > > her

> > > > > > > > > > sister

> > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered how

> > much.

> > > > > When I

> > > > > > > > took

> > > > > > > > > > 300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mg of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt better

> > > than I

> > > > > > > have in

> > > > > > > > > > years,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can do it

> > > > again.

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1200 mg

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it unusual to

> > be

> > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > > > > > too?

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[Guest guest]

Had you been told you had celiac? I was tested for it and don't have

it. Should everyone cut gluten?

I'm glad to hear that the guy who got tendonitis from cipro eventually

got better.

Did you find stress worsened your RA when you had it? I am having

some difficulties that make me tense, and everything hurts today.

On Jul 13, 2008, at 2:06 AM, Agentbleu wrote:

> One more mistake I made, I did not cut gluten out of my diet for

> years (i did for a few years at the beginning but lapsed), this has

> recently been cut out again and I have enjoyed a great boost to

> general health as a result.

>

> Another point about the tendonitis, I know someone else who had ReA

> and treated with cipro (among others) he was a body builder and

> continued to lift while on cipro (a big no no) he suffered damage as

> a result, though that did subside naturally after about a year.

>

> On 12 Jul 2008, at 20:33, Beckman wrote:

>

> > Hi, Steve,

> >

> > You must be a doctor if you were self-prescribing. My husband's

> > problem is terrible tendonitis in his adductor longus, not his

> > prostate. What would you recommend? I hope I can get my dr. to

> > prescribe the Amp b and Lamisil!

> >

> >

> > On Jul 12, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> >

> > > Hi linda, Im steve,

> > >

> > > I know all about Dr Brown, and his good work, It was the first

> book

> > > that shook the tree for me, I spent 2 years in the British library

> > > studding everyday to fix myself. I did not have RA but ReA which

> > is a

> > > rather more aggressive form that pollutes and invades the entire

> > > body. Oh for your husband BTW Lamisl is the only tool that I found

> > > that gets right into the prostate (others confirm this).

> > Clairthmycin

> > > is Biaxin, that is one of the other tools that helped me a lot, I

> > > combined them with cipro, but I have taken many many abx in

> > > experiments (self prescribed). Minocin I could never get brand and

> > > upset the blood pressure. Zitromax does not seem to remain

> effective

> > > for long. Doxy seems ok for some time but not the heavy artillery

> > > that is needed, erythromycin same.

> > >

> > > Diflucan is expensive and seems to not remain effective for

> long, I

> > > strongly recommend Amp b (funglin / fungizone) all same (must be

> > > oral), cheap effective and makes the colon work, Nystatin seems

> > to be

> > > harsh and not work so well. lamisil is great and a systemic so

> gets

> > > into places that others don't (sinuses etc), I really believe you

> > > need to combine them.

> > >

> > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 20:12, Beckman wrote:

> > >

> > > > I understand how you feel about Drs! Here in the US it is

> possible

> > > > to find out about antibiotic therapy only if you are lucky and

> > > chance

> > > > on a website or someone tells you (probably not a doctor).

> > > Mainstream

> > > > medicine still rejects the idea. But I finally heard about it,

> > got a

> > > > dr. to test me for Mycoplasma antibodies, and when he found

> > them he

> > > > started on doxycycline, which helped--for a while. The most used

> > > > medication in the antibiotic protocols here is Minocycline (in

> the

> > > > form of Minocin, pelletized, the brand. The generic hardly

> > works.) I

> > > > didn't know what was wrong with me as they kept testing for an

> > > > rheumatic isease--and they didn't find the RA in the blood.

> > (Now my

> > > > rheumatologist says that I have seronegative arthritis ( no

> blood

> > > > markers, though people sometimes get them as time goes by. I

> > hope to

> > > > be better by then.( I found the Road Back Foundation site, and

> > this

> > > > gave me the idea of antibiotics. My rheumatologist uses them

> > against

> > > > autoimmune diseases because his grandmother was cured by

> > > > MacPherson Brown, the dr. who first did research with autoimmune

> > > > diseases and antibiotics in the 1950s (now dead). The dr. is a

> > > > mainstream rheumy and uses other anti-rheumatic meds if he has

> to,

> > > but

> > > > knows they ultimately don't work and are dangerous. He tries to

> > use

> > > > antibiotics and knows a great deal. I wish it was Monday so I

> > could

> > > > call him.

> > > >

> > > > You and I must be alike chemically because I had the same total

> > > > constipation from another macrolide, Clarithromycin (I spelled

> it

> > > > wrong before). Maybe an anti-fungal will help. The one that

> people

> > > > on this website seem to use is Diflucan. Have you tried that?

> > > >

> > > > Too bad about the damage your colon. You complain about

> > malpractice

> > > > in England, but I had previously thought it was American

> medicine

> > > that

> > > > was the culprit! I had a spinal fusion that I didn't need

> because

> > > > they didn't realize my back pain was part of an autoimmune

> disease

> > > and

> > > > insisted on operating in 2000. That was before I knew enough to

> > > > protect myself. But it is wonderful that your RA is gone!

> > > >

> > > > What is your name?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > I know many have had trouble after Cipro its domestous in the

> > abx

> > > > > world, yet it is sometimes the only player that has got the

> > > punch to

> > > > > kill the beasts, as we know, one size does not fit all, many

> > will

> > > > > have different reactions and have different levels of

> aggression

> > > > from

> > > > > the beasts. Despite the problems with Cipro, I don't think I

> > would

> > > > > have made it this far without it, but the time on it was very

> > > rough.

> > > > > Many I know have had to stop as the herx can be harsh to say

> the

> > > > > least.

> > > > >

> > > > > What I did wrong is not have and know the game like I do

> > know, no

> > > > > support from Drs caused me to go it alone, without tests,

> advice

> > > > etc,

> > > > > we make errors. My No1 error was to wait so long before

> being on

> > > > > aggressive abx, No2, was not taking abx again after getting

> the

> > > > colon

> > > > > infection ( the malpractice I suffered knows no limits). No3

> was

> > > > > waiting so long to use A/F. No4 was wasting so much time on

> > > > > 'alternatives' as I was so disgusted with the allopathic

> > system of

> > > > > delivery (NONE), this led to a long drawn 18 months of

> expensive

> > > > > (time / health and money) loss.

> > > > >

> > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:39, Beckman wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > I am not sure I follow. What would you do differently

> besides

> > > > taking

> > > > > > anti-fungals? I am still being treated for RA--was on

> Minocin

> > > and

> > > > > > zithromax for a year, somewhat better but have a long way

> > to go.

> > > > > Then

> > > > > > the doc replaced the zithro twice a week with the

> > clindamycin. I

> > > > > know

> > > > > > that cipro is a problem. It is strong, and effective. it

> > created

> > > > > > tendonitis in my husband, so that he is still struggling

> with

> > > pain

> > > > > in

> > > > > > his groin.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think it's so great how the web lets us help each other

> > > > around the

> > > > > > world. I am in the US.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had ReA in 98, it took until about 2001 before I found

> and

> > > > > killed

> > > > > > > it with ABX, back then it was incurable (like it is still

> > > pretty

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > today) the constipation followed until 2006 worsening,

> > then i

> > > > took

> > > > > > > anti fungals for about 18 months (no liver problems and 2,

> > > > amp b.,

> > > > > > > and Lamisil. Both very good). After 2 months the bowels

> were

> > > > > > working.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I now still have some structural damage at a certian

> part of

> > > the

> > > > > > > colon that is very hard to deal with (this all resulted

> > from a

> > > > > > > campylobactor infection which when undetected for 6 months

> > > > > following

> > > > > > > cipro, but cipro was instrumental in killing ReA as was

> > > Biaxin).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Its a tough game, if only i knew then what i know now, my

> > > trial

> > > > > > could

> > > > > > > have been limited to a year at most.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:26, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are you taking antibiotics for a rheumatic disease? I

> have

> > > > > > never had

> > > > > > > > this response to Minocin, but I did once to

> Clitheramycin.

> > > > And I

> > > > > > > tend

> > > > > > > > to be constipated. I am so glad to connec with someone

> > else

> > > > who

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > had this problem!

> > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RX only, and sometimes hard to get, here in France I

> was

> > > > very

> > > > > > > lucky

> > > > > > > > > to find a great Dr, In the UK however its another

> > matter,

> > > > > > > extracting

> > > > > > > > > teeth is easier.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Good luck, they do actually work, unlike the

> plethora of

> > > > > > > > alternatives

> > > > > > > > > I experimented with in the 4 year endeavor.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:21, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. I will definitely look up the anti-

> > > fungals,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > do are

> > > > > > > > > > they over the counter or by prescription?

> > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > No but I have tried about 10 different abx over

> the

> > > > years.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > They all seem to constipate, I had this for 4

> years,

> > > A/F

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > only things that resolved this.

> > > > > > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:48, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Were you on Clindamycin?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe try anti fungals this is what worked for

> > > me, I

> > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > oral

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fungilin / fungizone.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my

> > second

> > > > time

> > > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now

> Saturday). I

> > > > never

> > > > > > > felt

> > > > > > > > > > > > better in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have

> not

> > > > > moved my

> > > > > > > > > bowels

> > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I started it, not even on the two days

> that I

> > > was

> > > > > back

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > Minocin. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic

> > > > > > onstipation, but

> > > > > > > > > Ethel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked

> for

> > > > > months.

> > > > > > > > Now I

> > > > > > > > > > > > take my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > two with dinner, but nothing happens. I feel

> > > > > > motility is

> > > > > > > > > > slow--

> > > > > > > > > > > > ie, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool

> > is up

> > > > way

> > > > > > high

> > > > > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it

> > > will be

> > > > > > four

> > > > > > > > days

> > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > going)? Or should I take three tonight at

> > dinner

> > > > > > and see

> > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > happens? Help! L.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE GIBSON

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking

> it

> > > that

> > > > > > way,

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the gut...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rheumatic Clindamycin

> question

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, group,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI

> > joints and

> > > > > > > sometimes

> > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this

> week he

> > > put

> > > > > > me on

> > > > > > > > > 300mg

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and

> > Saturday

> > > > (and

> > > > > > > > 100 mg

> > > > > > > > > > bid

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the other five days). Someone recently

> > wrote

> > > > > > saying

> > > > > > > > her

> > > > > > > > > > > sister

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered how

> > > much.

> > > > > > When I

> > > > > > > > > took

> > > > > > > > > > > 300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mg of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt better

> > > > than I

> > > > > > > > have in

> > > > > > > > > > > years,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can

> do it

> > > > > again.

> > > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1200 mg

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it

> unusual to

> > > be

> > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > too?

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[Guest guest]

yes they tested me and im apparently not celiac that said I have

heard many people have improved from all sorts as a result of cutting

it, even now there is some evidence that one can control diabetes by

cutting gluten, my advice would be to cut it out for 2 months and see

if you improve, this is one that you have absolutely nothing to loose

trying.

Stress is a major problem for all, sure, and still to this day if I

have stress (which could be anything minor) I do worse, sleep worse,

then suffer. I take some mild relaxants (which I need for my colon as

its like spastic and often closes) called alprazolam, I take a very

small dose and it works well for panic too. Side effect is can make

you sleepy. (which can be an aid if trouble sleeping which I have).

Getting good sleep is half the battle.

s

On 13 Jul 2008, at 15:57, Beckman wrote:

> Had you been told you had celiac? I was tested for it and don't have

> it. Should everyone cut gluten?

>

> I'm glad to hear that the guy who got tendonitis from cipro eventually

> got better.

>

> Did you find stress worsened your RA when you had it? I am having

> some difficulties that make me tense, and everything hurts today.

>

>

> On Jul 13, 2008, at 2:06 AM, Agentbleu wrote:

>

> > One more mistake I made, I did not cut gluten out of my diet for

> > years (i did for a few years at the beginning but lapsed), this has

> > recently been cut out again and I have enjoyed a great boost to

> > general health as a result.

> >

> > Another point about the tendonitis, I know someone else who had ReA

> > and treated with cipro (among others) he was a body builder and

> > continued to lift while on cipro (a big no no) he suffered damage as

> > a result, though that did subside naturally after about a year.

> >

> > On 12 Jul 2008, at 20:33, Beckman wrote:

> >

> > > Hi, Steve,

> > >

> > > You must be a doctor if you were self-prescribing. My husband's

> > > problem is terrible tendonitis in his adductor longus, not his

> > > prostate. What would you recommend? I hope I can get my dr. to

> > > prescribe the Amp b and Lamisil!

> > >

> > >

> > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi linda, Im steve,

> > > >

> > > > I know all about Dr Brown, and his good work, It was the first

> > book

> > > > that shook the tree for me, I spent 2 years in the British

> library

> > > > studding everyday to fix myself. I did not have RA but ReA which

> > > is a

> > > > rather more aggressive form that pollutes and invades the entire

> > > > body. Oh for your husband BTW Lamisl is the only tool that I

> found

> > > > that gets right into the prostate (others confirm this).

> > > Clairthmycin

> > > > is Biaxin, that is one of the other tools that helped me a

> lot, I

> > > > combined them with cipro, but I have taken many many abx in

> > > > experiments (self prescribed). Minocin I could never get

> brand and

> > > > upset the blood pressure. Zitromax does not seem to remain

> > effective

> > > > for long. Doxy seems ok for some time but not the heavy

> artillery

> > > > that is needed, erythromycin same.

> > > >

> > > > Diflucan is expensive and seems to not remain effective for

> > long, I

> > > > strongly recommend Amp b (funglin / fungizone) all same (must be

> > > > oral), cheap effective and makes the colon work, Nystatin seems

> > > to be

> > > > harsh and not work so well. lamisil is great and a systemic so

> > gets

> > > > into places that others don't (sinuses etc), I really believe

> you

> > > > need to combine them.

> > > >

> > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 20:12, Beckman wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > I understand how you feel about Drs! Here in the US it is

> > possible

> > > > > to find out about antibiotic therapy only if you are lucky and

> > > > chance

> > > > > on a website or someone tells you (probably not a doctor).

> > > > Mainstream

> > > > > medicine still rejects the idea. But I finally heard about it,

> > > got a

> > > > > dr. to test me for Mycoplasma antibodies, and when he found

> > > them he

> > > > > started on doxycycline, which helped--for a while. The most

> used

> > > > > medication in the antibiotic protocols here is Minocycline (in

> > the

> > > > > form of Minocin, pelletized, the brand. The generic hardly

> > > works.) I

> > > > > didn't know what was wrong with me as they kept testing for an

> > > > > rheumatic isease--and they didn't find the RA in the blood.

> > > (Now my

> > > > > rheumatologist says that I have seronegative arthritis ( no

> > blood

> > > > > markers, though people sometimes get them as time goes by. I

> > > hope to

> > > > > be better by then.( I found the Road Back Foundation site, and

> > > this

> > > > > gave me the idea of antibiotics. My rheumatologist uses them

> > > against

> > > > > autoimmune diseases because his grandmother was cured by

>

> > > > > MacPherson Brown, the dr. who first did research with

> autoimmune

> > > > > diseases and antibiotics in the 1950s (now dead). The dr. is a

> > > > > mainstream rheumy and uses other anti-rheumatic meds if he has

> > to,

> > > > but

> > > > > knows they ultimately don't work and are dangerous. He

> tries to

> > > use

> > > > > antibiotics and knows a great deal. I wish it was Monday so I

> > > could

> > > > > call him.

> > > > >

> > > > > You and I must be alike chemically because I had the same

> total

> > > > > constipation from another macrolide, Clarithromycin (I spelled

> > it

> > > > > wrong before). Maybe an anti-fungal will help. The one that

> > people

> > > > > on this website seem to use is Diflucan. Have you tried that?

> > > > >

> > > > > Too bad about the damage your colon. You complain about

> > > malpractice

> > > > > in England, but I had previously thought it was American

> > medicine

> > > > that

> > > > > was the culprit! I had a spinal fusion that I didn't need

> > because

> > > > > they didn't realize my back pain was part of an autoimmune

> > disease

> > > > and

> > > > > insisted on operating in 2000. That was before I knew

> enough to

> > > > > protect myself. But it is wonderful that your RA is gone!

> > > > >

> > > > > What is your name?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > I know many have had trouble after Cipro its domestous in

> the

> > > abx

> > > > > > world, yet it is sometimes the only player that has got the

> > > > punch to

> > > > > > kill the beasts, as we know, one size does not fit all, many

> > > will

> > > > > > have different reactions and have different levels of

> > aggression

> > > > > from

> > > > > > the beasts. Despite the problems with Cipro, I don't think I

> > > would

> > > > > > have made it this far without it, but the time on it was

> very

> > > > rough.

> > > > > > Many I know have had to stop as the herx can be harsh to say

> > the

> > > > > > least.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What I did wrong is not have and know the game like I do

> > > know, no

> > > > > > support from Drs caused me to go it alone, without tests,

> > advice

> > > > > etc,

> > > > > > we make errors. My No1 error was to wait so long before

> > being on

> > > > > > aggressive abx, No2, was not taking abx again after getting

> > the

> > > > > colon

> > > > > > infection ( the malpractice I suffered knows no limits). No3

> > was

> > > > > > waiting so long to use A/F. No4 was wasting so much time on

> > > > > > 'alternatives' as I was so disgusted with the allopathic

> > > system of

> > > > > > delivery (NONE), this led to a long drawn 18 months of

> > expensive

> > > > > > (time / health and money) loss.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:39, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am not sure I follow. What would you do differently

> > besides

> > > > > taking

> > > > > > > anti-fungals? I am still being treated for RA--was on

> > Minocin

> > > > and

> > > > > > > zithromax for a year, somewhat better but have a long way

> > > to go.

> > > > > > Then

> > > > > > > the doc replaced the zithro twice a week with the

> > > clindamycin. I

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > that cipro is a problem. It is strong, and effective. it

> > > created

> > > > > > > tendonitis in my husband, so that he is still struggling

> > with

> > > > pain

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > his groin.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think it's so great how the web lets us help each other

> > > > > around the

> > > > > > > world. I am in the US.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I had ReA in 98, it took until about 2001 before I found

> > and

> > > > > > killed

> > > > > > > > it with ABX, back then it was incurable (like it is

> still

> > > > pretty

> > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > today) the constipation followed until 2006 worsening,

> > > then i

> > > > > took

> > > > > > > > anti fungals for about 18 months (no liver problems

> and 2,

> > > > > amp b.,

> > > > > > > > and Lamisil. Both very good). After 2 months the bowels

> > were

> > > > > > > working.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I now still have some structural damage at a certian

> > part of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > colon that is very hard to deal with (this all resulted

> > > from a

> > > > > > > > campylobactor infection which when undetected for 6

> months

> > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > cipro, but cipro was instrumental in killing ReA as was

> > > > Biaxin).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Its a tough game, if only i knew then what i know

> now, my

> > > > trial

> > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > have been limited to a year at most.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:26, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are you taking antibiotics for a rheumatic disease? I

> > have

> > > > > > > never had

> > > > > > > > > this response to Minocin, but I did once to

> > Clitheramycin.

> > > > > And I

> > > > > > > > tend

> > > > > > > > > to be constipated. I am so glad to connec with someone

> > > else

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > had this problem!

> > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RX only, and sometimes hard to get, here in France I

> > was

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > > lucky

> > > > > > > > > > to find a great Dr, In the UK however its another

> > > matter,

> > > > > > > > extracting

> > > > > > > > > > teeth is easier.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Good luck, they do actually work, unlike the

> > plethora of

> > > > > > > > > alternatives

> > > > > > > > > > I experimented with in the 4 year endeavor.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:21, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. I will definitely look up the anti-

> > > > fungals,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > do are

> > > > > > > > > > > they over the counter or by prescription?

> > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > No but I have tried about 10 different abx over

> > the

> > > > > years.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > They all seem to constipate, I had this for 4

> > years,

> > > > A/F

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > only things that resolved this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:48, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Were you on Clindamycin?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe try anti fungals this is what

> worked for

> > > > me, I

> > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > oral

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fungilin / fungizone.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Beckman

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my

> > > second

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now

> > Saturday). I

> > > > > never

> > > > > > > > felt

> > > > > > > > > > > > > better in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have

> > not

> > > > > > moved my

> > > > > > > > > > bowels

> > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I started it, not even on the two days

> > that I

> > > > was

> > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Minocin. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic

> > > > > > > onstipation, but

> > > > > > > > > > Ethel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked

> > for

> > > > > > months.

> > > > > > > > > Now I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > take my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two with dinner, but nothing happens. I

> feel

> > > > > > > motility is

> > > > > > > > > > > slow--

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ie, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool

> > > is up

> > > > > way

> > > > > > > high

> > > > > > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it

> > > > will be

> > > > > > > four

> > > > > > > > > days

> > > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going)? Or should I take three tonight at

> > > dinner

> > > > > > > and see

> > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happens? Help! L.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE

> GIBSON

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking

> > it

> > > > that

> > > > > > > way,

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the gut...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rheumatic Clindamycin

> > question

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, group,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI

> > > joints and

> > > > > > > > sometimes

> > > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this

> > week he

> > > > put

> > > > > > > me on

> > > > > > > > > > 300mg

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and

> > > Saturday

> > > > > (and

> > > > > > > > > 100 mg

> > > > > > > > > > > bid

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the other five days). Someone recently

> > > wrote

> > > > > > > saying

> > > > > > > > > her

> > > > > > > > > > > > sister

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered

> how

> > > > much.

> > > > > > > When I

> > > > > > > > > > took

> > > > > > > > > > > > 300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mg of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt

> better

> > > > > than I

> > > > > > > > > have in

> > > > > > > > > > > > years,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can

> > do it

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> > > > be

> > > > > > > taking

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This im forwarding to from infectionandinflamation2@...

this is a post that Penny has posted tonight regarding Cipro,

I made a conscious decision to risk tendon damage because I need the

cipro more (until I can find something better). My left elbow's been

killing me for the last week or so, which according to the FDA, means I

I could blow a tendon at any moment. Honestly, I think they're over

reacting a bit for the general population (not those predisposed). This

is not the first time I've had elbow and other tendon problems while on

Cipro. What I've found helps immensely is loading up on Magnesium. It

just occurred to me a few days ago, with my eye twitching like crazy,

that I was depleted of mag. again (I think Cipro may be an antagonist).

As soon as I reloaded on the magnesium, the eye twitching stopped and

my elbow feels immensely better. My doc also said he's had very little

problem with Cipro and far more problems with its cousin, Levaquin.

I'm not at all saying that Cipro's not a problem for tendons, but maybe

not quite as drastic as is currently being reported. Definitely

something to watch out for if you're on Cipro, or are athletic, etc (I

don't let my kids take it because they are serious dancers). What would

be nice is if docs/FDA would let people know that magnesium can really

help.

penny

Hope this helps

s

On 13 Jul 2008, at 15:57, Beckman wrote:

> Had you been told you had celiac? I was tested for it and don't have

> it. Should everyone cut gluten?

>

> I'm glad to hear that the guy who got tendonitis from cipro eventually

> got better.

>

> Did you find stress worsened your RA when you had it? I am having

> some difficulties that make me tense, and everything hurts today.

>

>

> On Jul 13, 2008, at 2:06 AM, Agentbleu wrote:

>

> > One more mistake I made, I did not cut gluten out of my diet for

> > years (i did for a few years at the beginning but lapsed), this has

> > recently been cut out again and I have enjoyed a great boost to

> > general health as a result.

> >

> > Another point about the tendonitis, I know someone else who had ReA

> > and treated with cipro (among others) he was a body builder and

> > continued to lift while on cipro (a big no no) he suffered damage as

> > a result, though that did subside naturally after about a year.

> >

> > On 12 Jul 2008, at 20:33, Beckman wrote:

> >

> > > Hi, Steve,

> > >

> > > You must be a doctor if you were self-prescribing. My husband's

> > > problem is terrible tendonitis in his adductor longus, not his

> > > prostate. What would you recommend? I hope I can get my dr. to

> > > prescribe the Amp b and Lamisil!

> > >

> > >

> > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi linda, Im steve,

> > > >

> > > > I know all about Dr Brown, and his good work, It was the first

> > book

> > > > that shook the tree for me, I spent 2 years in the British

> library

> > > > studding everyday to fix myself. I did not have RA but ReA which

> > > is a

> > > > rather more aggressive form that pollutes and invades the entire

> > > > body. Oh for your husband BTW Lamisl is the only tool that I

> found

> > > > that gets right into the prostate (others confirm this).

> > > Clairthmycin

> > > > is Biaxin, that is one of the other tools that helped me a

> lot, I

> > > > combined them with cipro, but I have taken many many abx in

> > > > experiments (self prescribed). Minocin I could never get

> brand and

> > > > upset the blood pressure. Zitromax does not seem to remain

> > effective

> > > > for long. Doxy seems ok for some time but not the heavy

> artillery

> > > > that is needed, erythromycin same.

> > > >

> > > > Diflucan is expensive and seems to not remain effective for

> > long, I

> > > > strongly recommend Amp b (funglin / fungizone) all same (must be

> > > > oral), cheap effective and makes the colon work, Nystatin seems

> > > to be

> > > > harsh and not work so well. lamisil is great and a systemic so

> > gets

> > > > into places that others don't (sinuses etc), I really believe

> you

> > > > need to combine them.

> > > >

> > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 20:12, Beckman wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > I understand how you feel about Drs! Here in the US it is

> > possible

> > > > > to find out about antibiotic therapy only if you are lucky and

> > > > chance

> > > > > on a website or someone tells you (probably not a doctor).

> > > > Mainstream

> > > > > medicine still rejects the idea. But I finally heard about it,

> > > got a

> > > > > dr. to test me for Mycoplasma antibodies, and when he found

> > > them he

> > > > > started on doxycycline, which helped--for a while. The most

> used

> > > > > medication in the antibiotic protocols here is Minocycline (in

> > the

> > > > > form of Minocin, pelletized, the brand. The generic hardly

> > > works.) I

> > > > > didn't know what was wrong with me as they kept testing for an

> > > > > rheumatic isease--and they didn't find the RA in the blood.

> > > (Now my

> > > > > rheumatologist says that I have seronegative arthritis ( no

> > blood

> > > > > markers, though people sometimes get them as time goes by. I

> > > hope to

> > > > > be better by then.( I found the Road Back Foundation site, and

> > > this

> > > > > gave me the idea of antibiotics. My rheumatologist uses them

> > > against

> > > > > autoimmune diseases because his grandmother was cured by

>

> > > > > MacPherson Brown, the dr. who first did research with

> autoimmune

> > > > > diseases and antibiotics in the 1950s (now dead). The dr. is a

> > > > > mainstream rheumy and uses other anti-rheumatic meds if he has

> > to,

> > > > but

> > > > > knows they ultimately don't work and are dangerous. He

> tries to

> > > use

> > > > > antibiotics and knows a great deal. I wish it was Monday so I

> > > could

> > > > > call him.

> > > > >

> > > > > You and I must be alike chemically because I had the same

> total

> > > > > constipation from another macrolide, Clarithromycin (I spelled

> > it

> > > > > wrong before). Maybe an anti-fungal will help. The one that

> > people

> > > > > on this website seem to use is Diflucan. Have you tried that?

> > > > >

> > > > > Too bad about the damage your colon. You complain about

> > > malpractice

> > > > > in England, but I had previously thought it was American

> > medicine

> > > > that

> > > > > was the culprit! I had a spinal fusion that I didn't need

> > because

> > > > > they didn't realize my back pain was part of an autoimmune

> > disease

> > > > and

> > > > > insisted on operating in 2000. That was before I knew

> enough to

> > > > > protect myself. But it is wonderful that your RA is gone!

> > > > >

> > > > > What is your name?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > I know many have had trouble after Cipro its domestous in

> the

> > > abx

> > > > > > world, yet it is sometimes the only player that has got the

> > > > punch to

> > > > > > kill the beasts, as we know, one size does not fit all, many

> > > will

> > > > > > have different reactions and have different levels of

> > aggression

> > > > > from

> > > > > > the beasts. Despite the problems with Cipro, I don't think I

> > > would

> > > > > > have made it this far without it, but the time on it was

> very

> > > > rough.

> > > > > > Many I know have had to stop as the herx can be harsh to say

> > the

> > > > > > least.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What I did wrong is not have and know the game like I do

> > > know, no

> > > > > > support from Drs caused me to go it alone, without tests,

> > advice

> > > > > etc,

> > > > > > we make errors. My No1 error was to wait so long before

> > being on

> > > > > > aggressive abx, No2, was not taking abx again after getting

> > the

> > > > > colon

> > > > > > infection ( the malpractice I suffered knows no limits). No3

> > was

> > > > > > waiting so long to use A/F. No4 was wasting so much time on

> > > > > > 'alternatives' as I was so disgusted with the allopathic

> > > system of

> > > > > > delivery (NONE), this led to a long drawn 18 months of

> > expensive

> > > > > > (time / health and money) loss.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:39, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am not sure I follow. What would you do differently

> > besides

> > > > > taking

> > > > > > > anti-fungals? I am still being treated for RA--was on

> > Minocin

> > > > and

> > > > > > > zithromax for a year, somewhat better but have a long way

> > > to go.

> > > > > > Then

> > > > > > > the doc replaced the zithro twice a week with the

> > > clindamycin. I

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > that cipro is a problem. It is strong, and effective. it

> > > created

> > > > > > > tendonitis in my husband, so that he is still struggling

> > with

> > > > pain

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > his groin.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think it's so great how the web lets us help each other

> > > > > around the

> > > > > > > world. I am in the US.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I had ReA in 98, it took until about 2001 before I found

> > and

> > > > > > killed

> > > > > > > > it with ABX, back then it was incurable (like it is

> still

> > > > pretty

> > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > today) the constipation followed until 2006 worsening,

> > > then i

> > > > > took

> > > > > > > > anti fungals for about 18 months (no liver problems

> and 2,

> > > > > amp b.,

> > > > > > > > and Lamisil. Both very good). After 2 months the bowels

> > were

> > > > > > > working.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I now still have some structural damage at a certian

> > part of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > colon that is very hard to deal with (this all resulted

> > > from a

> > > > > > > > campylobactor infection which when undetected for 6

> months

> > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > cipro, but cipro was instrumental in killing ReA as was

> > > > Biaxin).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Its a tough game, if only i knew then what i know

> now, my

> > > > trial

> > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > have been limited to a year at most.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:26, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are you taking antibiotics for a rheumatic disease? I

> > have

> > > > > > > never had

> > > > > > > > > this response to Minocin, but I did once to

> > Clitheramycin.

> > > > > And I

> > > > > > > > tend

> > > > > > > > > to be constipated. I am so glad to connec with someone

> > > else

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > had this problem!

> > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RX only, and sometimes hard to get, here in France I

> > was

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > > lucky

> > > > > > > > > > to find a great Dr, In the UK however its another

> > > matter,

> > > > > > > > extracting

> > > > > > > > > > teeth is easier.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Good luck, they do actually work, unlike the

> > plethora of

> > > > > > > > > alternatives

> > > > > > > > > > I experimented with in the 4 year endeavor.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 19:21, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. I will definitely look up the anti-

> > > > fungals,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > do are

> > > > > > > > > > > they over the counter or by prescription?

> > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > No but I have tried about 10 different abx over

> > the

> > > > > years.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > They all seem to constipate, I had this for 4

> > years,

> > > > A/F

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > only things that resolved this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:48, Beckman wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Were you on Clindamycin?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Agentbleu wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe try anti fungals this is what

> worked for

> > > > me, I

> > > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > > oral

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fungilin / fungizone.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > s

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:27, Beckman

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am having a real dilemma. It is my

> > > second

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clindamycin (took it Wed. and now

> > Saturday). I

> > > > > never

> > > > > > > > felt

> > > > > > > > > > > > > better in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yrs. Don't want to give it up. But I have

> > not

> > > > > > moved my

> > > > > > > > > > bowels

> > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I started it, not even on the two days

> > that I

> > > > was

> > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Minocin. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take Intestinal 1 because I had chronic

> > > > > > > onstipation, but

> > > > > > > > > > Ethel

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended Intestinal 1 and it has worked

> > for

> > > > > > months.

> > > > > > > > > Now I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > take my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two with dinner, but nothing happens. I

> feel

> > > > > > > motility is

> > > > > > > > > > > slow--

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ie, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hardly feel I have to go (as if any stool

> > > is up

> > > > > way

> > > > > > > high

> > > > > > > > > > > and not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving). Should I take Citrate tonight (it

> > > > will be

> > > > > > > four

> > > > > > > > > days

> > > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going)? Or should I take three tonight at

> > > dinner

> > > > > > > and see

> > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happens? Help! L.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM, DEBBIE

> GIBSON

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hum, no idea...I am no big fan of taking

> > it

> > > > that

> > > > > > > way,

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the gut...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rheumatic Clindamycin

> > question

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, group,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI

> > > joints and

> > > > > > > > sometimes

> > > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this

> > week he

> > > > put

> > > > > > > me on

> > > > > > > > > > 300mg

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and

> > > Saturday

> > > > > (and

> > > > > > > > > 100 mg

> > > > > > > > > > > bid

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the other five days). Someone recently

> > > wrote

> > > > > > > saying

> > > > > > > > > her

> > > > > > > > > > > > sister

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered

> how

> > > > much.

> > > > > > > When I

> > > > > > > > > > took

> > > > > > > > > > > > 300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mg of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt

> better

> > > > > than I

> > > > > > > > > have in

> > > > > > > > > > > > years,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can

> > do it

> > > > > > again.

> > > > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1200 mg

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it

> > unusual to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > Minocin

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I take slow mag for heart arrythmias.  It seems like when our Mag is depleted,

the muscles like to twitch.  The heart is a muscle and so is the muscle that

twiches in your eye. Best to you, Dolores

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HI , I was on oral clindy as well

> > > for a

> > > > > > > > while. Dr

> > > > > > > > > > > > Whitman

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me take the mino daily...and then

> > every 8

> > > > > > weeks, I

> > > > > > > > > took

> > > > > > > > > > > oral

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clindy,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 150 mg...4x a day for 10 days.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do watch for C. Dif diarrhea though,

> > while

> > > > on

> > > > > > > > clindy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. Debbie

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rheumatic Clindamycin

> > question

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, group,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm having a lot of pain in my SI

> > > joints and

> > > > > > > > sometimes

> > > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spine. When I saw Dr. Whitman this

> > week he

> > > > put

> > > > > > > me on

> > > > > > > > > > 300mg

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clindamycin twice a week, Wed. and

> > > Saturday

> > > > > (and

> > > > > > > > > 100 mg

> > > > > > > > > > > bid

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the other five days). Someone recently

> > > wrote

> > > > > > > saying

> > > > > > > > > her

> > > > > > > > > > > > sister

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking only Clindamycin. I wondered

> how

> > > > much.

> > > > > > > When I

> > > > > > > > > > took

> > > > > > > > > > > > 300

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mg of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clindy twice Wednesday day I felt

> better

> > > > > than I

> > > > > > > > > have in

> > > > > > > > > > > > years,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't wait until tomorrow when I can

> > do it

> > > > > > again.

> > > > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1200 mg

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Clindy the max, and isn't it

> > unusual to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > > > Minocin

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > too?

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