RE: vitamin d - doxy - and bioidentical hormones

[Guest guest]

Hi Carole,

When you were taking HRT was it prescription or bioidentical? I'm thinking

it was prescription and yes your problems may have started with it. There is

a big difference between prescription and the bioidents. There may have been

other things going on with you at that time also. I'm not a doctor so I

can't diagnose you or even speculate. I do know hormones did not cause my

problems.I did not start them until 5 or so years after I was dxed with RA

and fibro.

I don't know what the patch is but if it is prescription you should read

about what the side effects are. They do not occur on biodents.

I never had bloating sorry I can't help there.

Hugs,

Cooky

From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf

Of Carole Stein

>

None of us are the same -

I have watched my Vitamin D fall - when I was really sick I was taking

200,000 per month - I am back up there again

Doxy is free in Florida - I am taking Doxy -

Bioidentical hormones - Lindsey and I have the same Doctor. I am

convinced that for me, in my particular situation, it was the inability

to get the right balance of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone that

led to my illness. I was absolutely positively perfect before. And, I

found one article that supported that. I was taking prescription HRT -

So my blood work showed that I had no hormones - hello ;-) - All my

doctors have been willing to offer them back to me - I am taking

prescription HRT again - one natural and the other a patch - I do

believe that my estrogen levels are increasing - I absolutely refused to

take the bioidentical - so we compromised with the patch - I couldn't

stand all the creme and for me, it was awlful

so that's my two cents -

When does the bloat go away???????\

[Guest guest]

I am not sure if it's Bioidentical hormones? I dont know exactly what he

called it. It is probably the same thing. I do know it was 3 ingredients

compounded into this cream. Thank you for sharing your experience.. I hope

it is the right ballance. At this point I will try anything. I will know

quickly if it is not for me. I am not *absolutely positively perfect

*anything and have not been for a very long time, so I am open to

trying

this. Do you still have that article?

Are you paying for your Doxy now? Publix Pharmacy's offer it free. Why are

you not taking the Mino?

Are you eating gluten, dairy and soy free? That helped my bloat

tremendously. I still suffer from the bloat when I eat too many veggies but

overall it is so much better since I cut those things out of my diet.

Lindsey

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Carole Stein <carolestein127.3@...>wrote:

>

>

>

> >

> None of us are the same -

> I have watched my Vitamin D fall - when I was really sick I was taking

> 200,000 per month - I am back up there again

>

> Doxy is free in Florida - I am taking Doxy -

>

> Bioidentical hormones - Lindsey and I have the same Doctor. I am

> convinced that for me, in my particular situation, it was the inability

> to get the right balance of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone that

> led to my illness. I was *absolutely positively perfect *before. And, I

> found one article that supported that. I was taking prescription HRT -

> So my blood work showed that I had no hormones - hello ;-) - All my

> doctors have been willing to offer them back to me - I am taking

> prescription HRT again - one natural and the other a patch - I do

> believe that my estrogen levels are increasing - I absolutely refused to

> take the bioidentical - so we compromised with the patch - I couldn't

> stand all the creme and for me, it was awlful

>

> so that's my two cents -

>

> When does the bloat go away???????\

>

> Carole

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 10/2/10 11:57 PM, lindsey munroe wrote:

> I am not sure if it's Bioidentical hormones? I dont know exactly what he

> called it. It is probably the same thing. I do know it was 3 ingredients

> compounded into this cream.

That's what I did -

> Thank you for sharing your experience.. I hope

> it is the right ballance. At this point I will try anything. I will know

> quickly if it is not for me. I am not *absolutely positively perfect

> *anything and have not been for a very long time, so I am open to

> trying

> this. Do you still have that article?

No

> Are you paying for your Doxy now? Publix Pharmacy's offer it free. Why are

> you not taking the Mino?

Because my Rheumie put me on doxy for rosacea - so that made it easier -

I have been taking doxy since July 21st and I feel better

> Are you eating gluten, dairy and soy free? That helped my bloat

> tremendously.

Ummmmm have to think about that - thanks

> I still suffer from the bloat when I eat too many veggies but

> overall it is so much better since I cut those things out of my diet.

>

> Lindsey

>

>

Carole

> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Carole Stein<carolestein127.3@...>wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> None of us are the same -

>> I have watched my Vitamin D fall - when I was really sick I was taking

>> 200,000 per month - I am back up there again

>>

>> Doxy is free in Florida - I am taking Doxy -

>>

>> Bioidentical hormones - Lindsey and I have the same Doctor. I am

>> convinced that for me, in my particular situation, it was the inability

>> to get the right balance of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone that

>> led to my illness. I was *absolutely positively perfect *before. And, I

>> found one article that supported that. I was taking prescription HRT -

>> So my blood work showed that I had no hormones - hello ;-) - All my

>> doctors have been willing to offer them back to me - I am taking

>> prescription HRT again - one natural and the other a patch - I do

>> believe that my estrogen levels are increasing - I absolutely refused to

>> take the bioidentical - so we compromised with the patch - I couldn't

>> stand all the creme and for me, it was awlful

>>

>> so that's my two cents -

>>

>> When does the bloat go away???????\

>>

>> Carole

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

On 10/2/10 11:12 PM, Cooky Stonkey wrote:

>

> Hi Carole,

>

> When you were taking HRT was it prescription or bioidentical? I'm thinking

> it was prescription and yes your problems may have started with it.

> There is

> a big difference between prescription and the bioidents.

>

Other way around. I was terrific for 10 years taking prescription HRT -

It is when the doctor decided I should try bioidentical and he tried to

duplicate my medicine that the trouble began.

carole

> There may have been

> other things going on with you at that time also. I'm not a doctor so I

> can't diagnose you or even speculate. I do know hormones did not cause my

> problems.I did not start them until 5 or so years after I was dxed with RA

> and fibro.

>

> I don't know what the patch is but if it is prescription you should read

> about what the side effects are. They do not occur on biodents.

>

> I never had bloating sorry I can't help there.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Cooky

>

> From: rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

> [mailto:rheumatic

> <mailto:rheumatic%40>] On Behalf

> Of Carole Stein

>

> >

> None of us are the same -

> I have watched my Vitamin D fall - when I was really sick I was taking

> 200,000 per month - I am back up there again

>

> Doxy is free in Florida - I am taking Doxy -

>

> Bioidentical hormones - Lindsey and I have the same Doctor. I am

> convinced that for me, in my particular situation, it was the inability

> to get the right balance of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone that

> led to my illness. I was absolutely positively perfect before. And, I

> found one article that supported that. I was taking prescription HRT -

> So my blood work showed that I had no hormones - hello ;-) - All my

> doctors have been willing to offer them back to me - I am taking

> prescription HRT again - one natural and the other a patch - I do

> believe that my estrogen levels are increasing - I absolutely refused to

> take the bioidentical - so we compromised with the patch - I couldn't

> stand all the creme and for me, it was awlful

>

> so that's my two cents -

>

> When does the bloat go away???????\

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carole,

Who is your dr. in Florida? My son has scleroderma, jra and chronic lyme. We

have been to see Dr. S in Iowa but we need someone closer!

Sue

From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf

Of Carole Stein

Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 8:06 PM

rheumatic

Subject: rheumatic vitamin d - doxy - and bioidentical hormones

>

None of us are the same -

I have watched my Vitamin D fall - when I was really sick I was taking

200,000 per month - I am back up there again

Doxy is free in Florida - I am taking Doxy -

Bioidentical hormones - Lindsey and I have the same Doctor. I am

convinced that for me, in my particular situation, it was the inability

to get the right balance of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone that

led to my illness. I was absolutely positively perfect before. And, I

found one article that supported that. I was taking prescription HRT -

So my blood work showed that I had no hormones - hello ;-) - All my

doctors have been willing to offer them back to me - I am taking

prescription HRT again - one natural and the other a patch - I do

believe that my estrogen levels are increasing - I absolutely refused to

take the bioidentical - so we compromised with the patch - I couldn't

stand all the creme and for me, it was awlful

so that's my two cents -

When does the bloat go away???????\

Carole

[Guest guest]

I am in Palm Beach County - Am using Dr Ahner - He seems to be the

one that everyone is going to - I am pleased so far - and he is very

nice as well

carole

On 10/3/10 10:37 AM, Mazik wrote:

>

> Carole,

>

> Who is your dr. in Florida? My son has scleroderma, jra and chronic

> lyme. We

> have been to see Dr. S in Iowa but we need someone closer!

>

> Sue

>

> From: rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

> [mailto:rheumatic

> <mailto:rheumatic%40>] On Behalf

> Of Carole Stein

> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 8:06 PM

> rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

> Subject: rheumatic vitamin d - doxy - and bioidentical hormones

>

> >

> None of us are the same -

> I have watched my Vitamin D fall - when I was really sick I was taking

> 200,000 per month - I am back up there again

>

> Doxy is free in Florida - I am taking Doxy -

>

> Bioidentical hormones - Lindsey and I have the same Doctor. I am

> convinced that for me, in my particular situation, it was the inability

> to get the right balance of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone that

> led to my illness. I was absolutely positively perfect before. And, I

> found one article that supported that. I was taking prescription HRT -

> So my blood work showed that I had no hormones - hello ;-) - All my

> doctors have been willing to offer them back to me - I am taking

> prescription HRT again - one natural and the other a patch - I do

> believe that my estrogen levels are increasing - I absolutely refused to

> take the bioidentical - so we compromised with the patch - I couldn't

> stand all the creme and for me, it was awlful

>

> so that's my two cents -

>

> When does the bloat go away???????\

>

> Carole

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carole,

Thank you so much - we did call him yesterday but he would not take my son

as he was too young. Maybe now that he is 15, he will take him.

From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf

Of Carole Stein

Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 10:46 AM

rheumatic

Subject: Re: rheumatic vitamin d - doxy - and bioidentical hormones

I am in Palm Beach County - Am using Dr Ahner - He seems to be the

one that everyone is going to - I am pleased so far - and he is very

nice as well

carole

On 10/3/10 10:37 AM, Mazik wrote:

>

> Carole,

>

> Who is your dr. in Florida? My son has scleroderma, jra and chronic

> lyme. We

> have been to see Dr. S in Iowa but we need someone closer!

>

> Sue

>

> From: rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

<mailto:rheumatic%40>

> [mailto:rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

> <mailto:rheumatic%40>] On Behalf

> Of Carole Stein

> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 8:06 PM

> rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

<mailto:rheumatic%40>

> Subject: rheumatic vitamin d - doxy - and bioidentical hormones

>

> >

> None of us are the same -

> I have watched my Vitamin D fall - when I was really sick I was taking

> 200,000 per month - I am back up there again

>

> Doxy is free in Florida - I am taking Doxy -

>

> Bioidentical hormones - Lindsey and I have the same Doctor. I am

> convinced that for me, in my particular situation, it was the inability

> to get the right balance of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone that

> led to my illness. I was absolutely positively perfect before. And, I

> found one article that supported that. I was taking prescription HRT -

> So my blood work showed that I had no hormones - hello ;-) - All my

> doctors have been willing to offer them back to me - I am taking

> prescription HRT again - one natural and the other a patch - I do

> believe that my estrogen levels are increasing - I absolutely refused to

> take the bioidentical - so we compromised with the patch - I couldn't

> stand all the creme and for me, it was awlful

>

> so that's my two cents -

>

> When does the bloat go away???????\

>

> Carole

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello. My name is June. Does anyone know anything about the

relationship of teeth to RA? Are implants recommended? Crowns,

replacement of fillings? Is there a link that would go into this in

detail? Many thanks, June

On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:57 PM, lindsey munroe wrote:

> I am not sure if it's Bioidentical hormones? I dont know exactly

> what he

> called it. It is probably the same thing. I do know it was 3

> ingredients

> compounded into this cream. Thank you for sharing your

> experience.. I hope

> it is the right ballance. At this point I will try anything. I will

> know

> quickly if it is not for me. I am not *absolutely positively perfect

> *anything and have not been for a very long time, so I am open to

> trying

> this. Do you still have that article?

>

> Are you paying for your Doxy now? Publix Pharmacy's offer it free.

> Why are

> you not taking the Mino?

>

> Are you eating gluten, dairy and soy free? That helped my bloat

> tremendously. I still suffer from the bloat when I eat too many

> veggies but

> overall it is so much better since I cut those things out of my diet.

>

> Lindsey

>

>

>

> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Carole Stein <carolestein127.3@...

> >wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>

>>>

>> None of us are the same -

>> I have watched my Vitamin D fall - when I was really sick I was

>> taking

>> 200,000 per month - I am back up there again

>>

>> Doxy is free in Florida - I am taking Doxy -

>>

>> Bioidentical hormones - Lindsey and I have the same Doctor. I am

>> convinced that for me, in my particular situation, it was the

>> inability

>> to get the right balance of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone

>> that

>> led to my illness. I was *absolutely positively perfect *before.

>> And, I

>> found one article that supported that. I was taking prescription

>> HRT -

>> So my blood work showed that I had no hormones - hello ;-) - All my

>> doctors have been willing to offer them back to me - I am taking

>> prescription HRT again - one natural and the other a patch - I do

>> believe that my estrogen levels are increasing - I absolutely

>> refused to

>> take the bioidentical - so we compromised with the patch - I couldn't

>> stand all the creme and for me, it was awlful

>>

>> so that's my two cents -

>>

>> When does the bloat go away???????\

>>

>> Carole

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I don't know, but I heard or read somewhere that bacteria likes to hide in teeth

and can lead to rheumatic heart or rheumatic fever when it gets into the

circulation. This is true especially of Strep.   I also heard that metal in

the mouth in not a good thing.  So, to be playing it safe, I had all metal

removed from my mouth and had porcelain put in it's place.  The antibiotics

protects my heart and weakens the bacteria. Then my healing immune system can

kill them off. 

 

 I don't know anything about hormones.  I am 75 and somehow I managed to get

through the insanity of menopause. I did take HRT pills & patch for years

before they said they were harmful to the body.  I eventually was able to

wean myself off and then when I thought I was home free, I get scleroderma. 

What a life!  If it isn't one thing, it is another. Dolores 

>

>>

>>

>>

>>>

>> None of us are the same -

>> I have watched my Vitamin D fall - when I was really sick I was

>> taking

>> 200,000 per month - I am back up there again

>>

>> Doxy is free in Florida - I am taking Doxy -

>>

>> Bioidentical hormones - Lindsey and I have the same Doctor. I am

>> convinced that for me, in my particular situation, it was the

>> inability

>> to get the right balance of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone

>> that

>> led to my illness. I was *absolutely positively perfect *before.

>> And, I

>> found one article that supported that. I was taking prescription

>> HRT -

>> So my blood work showed that I had no hormones - hello ;-) - All my

>> doctors have been willing to offer them back to me - I am taking

>> prescription HRT again - one natural and the other a patch - I do

>> believe that my estrogen levels are increasing - I absolutely

>> refused to

>> take the bioidentical - so we compromised with the patch - I couldn't

>> stand all the creme and for me, it was awlful

>>

>> so that's my two cents -

>>

>> When does the bloat go away???????\

>>

>> Carole

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I agree about bacteria and teeth. I have dental issues some due to genetic

family history and some the disease process with RA and loss of bone. I am

looking at having to have most of my teeth pulled and wear dentures./

bridge. Hopefully some day implants. I somehow think that when all these

rotten teeth are out of my head I will experience tremendous healing within

my immune system, joints and circulation and have less likely hood of

clotting or stroke It is all connected. Specially doing I dread this.

Gosh, I never thought Id be here and without teeth too.

I am 46 and will try this cream to help improve the quality of my life.

I agree regarding a huge connection between bacteria and teeth. I have

horrible dental issues some due to genetic family history and some the

disease process with RA and loss of bone. I am looking at having to have

most of my teeth pulled and wear dentures./ bridge. Hopefully some day

implants. I somehow think that when all these rotten teeth are out of my

head I will experience tremendous healing within my immune system, joints

and circulation and have less likely hood of clotting or stroke. It is all

connected. Also helping the AP do it's thing to kill the root of all this.

I dread seeing the dentist next. I never thought Id be without my natural

teeth. Yikes.

http://www.icnr.com/cs/cs_23.html had some good information.

I am 46 and will try this cream to help improve the quality of my life. What

a journey.

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:55 PM, mike rosner <martysfolks2004@...>wrote:

>

>

> I don't know, but I heard or read somewhere that bacteria likes to hide in

> teeth and can lead to rheumatic heart or rheumatic fever when it gets into

> the circulation. This is true especially of Strep. I also heard that metal

> in the mouth in not a good thing. So, to be playing it safe, I had all

> metal removed from my mouth and had porcelain put in it's place. The

> antibiotics protects my heart and weakens the bacteria. Then my healing

> immune system can kill them off.

>

> I don't know anything about hormones. I am 75 and somehow I managed to

> get through the insanity of menopause. I did take HRT pills & patch for

> years before they said they were harmful to the body. I eventually was able

> to wean myself off and then when I thought I was home free, I get

> scleroderma. What a life! If it isn't one thing, it is another. Dolores

>

>

> >

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >> None of us are the same -

> >> I have watched my Vitamin D fall - when I was really sick I was

> >> taking

> >> 200,000 per month - I am back up there again

> >>

> >> Doxy is free in Florida - I am taking Doxy -

> >>

> >> Bioidentical hormones - Lindsey and I have the same Doctor. I am

> >> convinced that for me, in my particular situation, it was the

> >> inability

> >> to get the right balance of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone

> >> that

> >> led to my illness. I was *absolutely positively perfect *before.

> >> And, I

> >> found one article that supported that. I was taking prescription

> >> HRT -

> >> So my blood work showed that I had no hormones - hello ;-) - All my

> >> doctors have been willing to offer them back to me - I am taking

> >> prescription HRT again - one natural and the other a patch - I do

> >> believe that my estrogen levels are increasing - I absolutely

> >> refused to

> >> take the bioidentical - so we compromised with the patch - I couldn't

> >> stand all the creme and for me, it was awlful

> >>

> >> so that's my two cents -

> >>

> >> When does the bloat go away???????\

> >>

> >> Carole

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Lindsey. I am in the process of replacing and removing some

teeth myself, it is very expensive. It makes sense though since the

mino seems to help. What dosage are you on> June

On Oct 4, 2010, at 11:30 PM, lindsey munroe wrote:

> I agree about bacteria and teeth. I have dental issues some due to

> genetic

> family history and some the disease process with RA and loss of

> bone. I am

> looking at having to have most of my teeth pulled and wear dentures./

> bridge. Hopefully some day implants. I somehow think that when all

> these

> rotten teeth are out of my head I will experience tremendous healing

> within

> my immune system, joints and circulation and have less likely hood of

> clotting or stroke It is all connected. Specially doing I dread

> this.

> Gosh, I never thought Id be here and without teeth too.

> I am 46 and will try this cream to help improve the quality of my

> life.

>

> I agree regarding a huge connection between bacteria and teeth. I have

> horrible dental issues some due to genetic family history and some the

> disease process with RA and loss of bone. I am looking at having to

> have

> most of my teeth pulled and wear dentures./ bridge. Hopefully some day

> implants. I somehow think that when all these rotten teeth are out

> of my

> head I will experience tremendous healing within my immune system,

> joints

> and circulation and have less likely hood of clotting or stroke. It

> is all

> connected. Also helping the AP do it's thing to kill the root of

> all this.

> I dread seeing the dentist next. I never thought Id be without my

> natural

> teeth. Yikes.

>

> http://www.icnr.com/cs/cs_23.html had some good information.

>

> I am 46 and will try this cream to help improve the quality of my

> life. What

> a journey.

>

> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:55 PM, mike rosner <martysfolks2004@...

> >wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> I don't know, but I heard or read somewhere that bacteria likes to

>> hide in

>> teeth and can lead to rheumatic heart or rheumatic fever when it

>> gets into

>> the circulation. This is true especially of Strep. I also heard

>> that metal

>> in the mouth in not a good thing. So, to be playing it safe, I had

>> all

>> metal removed from my mouth and had porcelain put in it's place. The

>> antibiotics protects my heart and weakens the bacteria. Then my

>> healing

>> immune system can kill them off.

>>

>> I don't know anything about hormones. I am 75 and somehow I

>> managed to

>> get through the insanity of menopause. I did take HRT pills & patch

>> for

>> years before they said they were harmful to the body. I eventually

>> was able

>> to wean myself off and then when I thought I was home free, I get

>> scleroderma. What a life! If it isn't one thing, it is another.

>> Dolores

>>

>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>> None of us are the same -

>>>> I have watched my Vitamin D fall - when I was really sick I was

>>>> taking

>>>> 200,000 per month - I am back up there again

>>>>

>>>> Doxy is free in Florida - I am taking Doxy -

>>>>

>>>> Bioidentical hormones - Lindsey and I have the same Doctor. I am

>>>> convinced that for me, in my particular situation, it was the

>>>> inability

>>>> to get the right balance of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone

>>>> that

>>>> led to my illness. I was *absolutely positively perfect *before.

>>>> And, I

>>>> found one article that supported that. I was taking prescription

>>>> HRT -

>>>> So my blood work showed that I had no hormones - hello ;-) - All my

>>>> doctors have been willing to offer them back to me - I am taking

>>>> prescription HRT again - one natural and the other a patch - I do

>>>> believe that my estrogen levels are increasing - I absolutely

>>>> refused to

>>>> take the bioidentical - so we compromised with the patch - I

>>>> couldn't

>>>> stand all the creme and for me, it was awlful

>>>>

>>>> so that's my two cents -

>>>>

>>>> When does the bloat go away???????\

>>>>

>>>> Carole

>>>>

>>>>

[Guest guest]

You are welcome June. I am sure you will get some very good answers from

those with experience from this group. I have been on LDN for a month+

4.5mg. I am a beginner to Mino. My doctor wanted me to start one thing at

a time. I begin Mino this week 100mg a day. If I experience the herx my

doctor advised me to hold off for a day or so then resume again same

dosage.

We should come back in our next life first healthy and as oral surgeons!

lol.... Yes, it is very expensive.

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:36 AM, june avignone

<j.avignone@...>wrote:

>

>

> Thanks, Lindsey. I am in the process of replacing and removing some

> teeth myself, it is very expensive. It makes sense though since the

> mino seems to help. What dosage are you on> June

>

> On Oct 4, 2010, at 11:30 PM, lindsey munroe wrote:

>

> > I agree about bacteria and teeth. I have dental issues some due to

> > genetic

> > family history and some the disease process with RA and loss of

> > bone. I am

> > looking at having to have most of my teeth pulled and wear dentures./

> > bridge. Hopefully some day implants. I somehow think that when all

> > these

> > rotten teeth are out of my head I will experience tremendous healing

> > within

> > my immune system, joints and circulation and have less likely hood of

> > clotting or stroke It is all connected. Specially doing I dread

> > this.

> > Gosh, I never thought Id be here and without teeth too.

> > I am 46 and will try this cream to help improve the quality of my

> > life.

> >

> > I agree regarding a huge connection between bacteria and teeth. I have

> > horrible dental issues some due to genetic family history and some the

> > disease process with RA and loss of bone. I am looking at having to

> > have

> > most of my teeth pulled and wear dentures./ bridge. Hopefully some day

> > implants. I somehow think that when all these rotten teeth are out

> > of my

> > head I will experience tremendous healing within my immune system,

> > joints

> > and circulation and have less likely hood of clotting or stroke. It

> > is all

> > connected. Also helping the AP do it's thing to kill the root of

> > all this.

> > I dread seeing the dentist next. I never thought Id be without my

> > natural

> > teeth. Yikes.

> >

> > http://www.icnr.com/cs/cs_23.html had some good information.

> >

> > I am 46 and will try this cream to help improve the quality of my

> > life. What

> > a journey.

> >

> > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:55 PM, mike rosner

<martysfolks2004@...<martysfolks2004%40>

> > >wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> I don't know, but I heard or read somewhere that bacteria likes to

> >> hide in

> >> teeth and can lead to rheumatic heart or rheumatic fever when it

> >> gets into

> >> the circulation. This is true especially of Strep. I also heard

> >> that metal

> >> in the mouth in not a good thing. So, to be playing it safe, I had

> >> all

> >> metal removed from my mouth and had porcelain put in it's place. The

> >> antibiotics protects my heart and weakens the bacteria. Then my

> >> healing

> >> immune system can kill them off.

> >>

> >> I don't know anything about hormones. I am 75 and somehow I

> >> managed to

> >> get through the insanity of menopause. I did take HRT pills & patch

> >> for

> >> years before they said they were harmful to the body. I eventually

> >> was able

> >> to wean myself off and then when I thought I was home free, I get

> >> scleroderma. What a life! If it isn't one thing, it is another.

> >> Dolores

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>> None of us are the same -

> >>>> I have watched my Vitamin D fall - when I was really sick I was

> >>>> taking

> >>>> 200,000 per month - I am back up there again

> >>>>

> >>>> Doxy is free in Florida - I am taking Doxy -

> >>>>

> >>>> Bioidentical hormones - Lindsey and I have the same Doctor. I am

> >>>> convinced that for me, in my particular situation, it was the

> >>>> inability

> >>>> to get the right balance of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone

> >>>> that

> >>>> led to my illness. I was *absolutely positively perfect *before.

> >>>> And, I

> >>>> found one article that supported that. I was taking prescription

> >>>> HRT -

> >>>> So my blood work showed that I had no hormones - hello ;-) - All my

> >>>> doctors have been willing to offer them back to me - I am taking

> >>>> prescription HRT again - one natural and the other a patch - I do

> >>>> believe that my estrogen levels are increasing - I absolutely

> >>>> refused to

> >>>> take the bioidentical - so we compromised with the patch - I

> >>>> couldn't

> >>>> stand all the creme and for me, it was awlful

> >>>>

> >>>> so that's my two cents -

> >>>>

> >>>> When does the bloat go away???????\

> >>>>

> >>>> Carole

> >>>>

> >>>>

[Guest guest]

I have been on the bioidentical hormone troches for about 12 or 13 years. It is

known that glands - and those nclude those, take a hit with immune diseases. I

would not go off my bioidentical hormones. Never did the patch. I did not hear

a lot of positive things about it. The troche is so simple. As for teeth,

first thing I did was get rid of the metals in my mouth. If your dentist knows

you have SD, he will probably put you on a dose of clindamycin to fight off the

bacteria he will be stirring up. That is the way it is for me with simple

cleaning, fillings, anything. Still going strong and no sign of scleroderma

now at year six.

Re: rheumatic vitamin d - doxy - and bioidentical hormones

I agree about bacteria and teeth. I have dental issues some due to genetic

amily history and some the disease process with RA and loss of bone. I am

ooking at having to have most of my teeth pulled and wear dentures./

ridge. Hopefully some day implants. I somehow think that when all these

otten teeth are out of my head I will experience tremendous healing within

y immune system, joints and circulation and have less likely hood of

lotting or stroke It is all connected. Specially doing I dread this.

osh, I never thought Id be here and without teeth too.

am 46 and will try this cream to help improve the quality of my life.

I agree regarding a huge connection between bacteria and teeth. I have

orrible dental issues some due to genetic family history and some the

isease process with RA and loss of bone. I am looking at having to have

ost of my teeth pulled and wear dentures./ bridge. Hopefully some day

mplants. I somehow think that when all these rotten teeth are out of my

ead I will experience tremendous healing within my immune system, joints

nd circulation and have less likely hood of clotting or stroke. It is all

onnected. Also helping the AP do it's thing to kill the root of all this.

dread seeing the dentist next. I never thought Id be without my natural

eeth. Yikes.

http://www.icnr.com/cs/cs_23.html had some good information.

I am 46 and will try this cream to help improve the quality of my life. What

journey.

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:55 PM, mike rosner <martysfolks2004@...>wrote:

>

I don't know, but I heard or read somewhere that bacteria likes to hide in

teeth and can lead to rheumatic heart or rheumatic fever when it gets into

the circulation. This is true especially of Strep. I also heard that metal

in the mouth in not a good thing. So, to be playing it safe, I had all

metal removed from my mouth and had porcelain put in it's place. The

antibiotics protects my heart and weakens the bacteria. Then my healing

immune system can kill them off.

I don't know anything about hormones. I am 75 and somehow I managed to

get through the insanity of menopause. I did take HRT pills & patch for

years before they said they were harmful to the body. I eventually was able

to wean myself off and then when I thought I was home free, I get

scleroderma. What a life! If it isn't one thing, it is another. Dolores

>

>>

>>

>>

>>>

>> None of us are the same -

>> I have watched my Vitamin D fall - when I was really sick I was

>> taking

>> 200,000 per month - I am back up there again

>>

>> Doxy is free in Florida - I am taking Doxy -

>>

>> Bioidentical hormones - Lindsey and I have the same Doctor. I am

>> convinced that for me, in my particular situation, it was the

>> inability

>> to get the right balance of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone

>> that

>> led to my illness. I was *absolutely positively perfect *before.

>> And, I

>> found one article that supported that. I was taking prescription

>> HRT -

>> So my blood work showed that I had no hormones - hello ;-) - All my

>> doctors have been willing to offer them back to me - I am taking

>> prescription HRT again - one natural and the other a patch - I do

>> believe that my estrogen levels are increasing - I absolutely

>> refused to

>> take the bioidentical - so we compromised with the patch - I couldn't

>> stand all the creme and for me, it was awlful

>>

>> so that's my two cents -

>>

>> When does the bloat go away???????\

>>

>> Carole

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi . I've been feverishly reading everything on bioidentical hormone

therapy trying to get to that comfortable place to begin. I suppose I will

just jump in. Regarding the dental .....I typically have been given Keflex

for infections of the mouth. I have RA and other related AI issues but not

SD. What a fantastic testimonial.

Thank you for the good news!

Lindsey

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:09 PM, <Sltfain@...> wrote:

>

>

> I have been on the bioidentical hormone troches for about 12 or 13 years.

> It is known that glands - and those nclude those, take a hit with immune

> diseases. I would not go off my bioidentical hormones. Never did the patch.

> I did not hear a lot of positive things about it. The troche is so simple.

> As for teeth, first thing I did was get rid of the metals in my mouth. If

> your dentist knows you have SD, he will probably put you on a dose of

> clindamycin to fight off the bacteria he will be stirring up. That is the

> way it is for me with simple cleaning, fillings, anything. Still going

> strong and no sign of scleroderma now at year six.

>

>

> Re: rheumatic vitamin d - doxy - and bioidentical hormones

>

> I agree about bacteria and teeth. I have dental issues some due to genetic

> amily history and some the disease process with RA and loss of bone. I am

> ooking at having to have most of my teeth pulled and wear dentures./

> ridge. Hopefully some day implants. I somehow think that when all these

> otten teeth are out of my head I will experience tremendous healing within

> y immune system, joints and circulation and have less likely hood of

> lotting or stroke It is all connected. Specially doing I dread this.

> osh, I never thought Id be here and without teeth too.

> am 46 and will try this cream to help improve the quality of my life.

> I agree regarding a huge connection between bacteria and teeth. I have

> orrible dental issues some due to genetic family history and some the

>

> isease process with RA and loss of bone. I am looking at having to have

> ost of my teeth pulled and wear dentures./ bridge. Hopefully some day

> mplants. I somehow think that when all these rotten teeth are out of my

> ead I will experience tremendous healing within my immune system, joints

> nd circulation and have less likely hood of clotting or stroke. It is all

> onnected. Also helping the AP do it's thing to kill the root of all this.

> dread seeing the dentist next. I never thought Id be without my natural

> eeth. Yikes.

> http://www.icnr.com/cs/cs_23.html had some good information.

> I am 46 and will try this cream to help improve the quality of my life.

> What

> journey.

> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:55 PM, mike rosner

<martysfolks2004@...<martysfolks2004%40>

> >wrote:

> >

>

> I don't know, but I heard or read somewhere that bacteria likes to hide in

> teeth and can lead to rheumatic heart or rheumatic fever when it gets into

> the circulation. This is true especially of Strep. I also heard that metal

> in the mouth in not a good thing. So, to be playing it safe, I had all

> metal removed from my mouth and had porcelain put in it's place. The

> antibiotics protects my heart and weakens the bacteria. Then my healing

> immune system can kill them off.

>

> I don't know anything about hormones. I am 75 and somehow I managed to

> get through the insanity of menopause. I did take HRT pills & patch for

> years before they said they were harmful to the body. I eventually was able

> to wean myself off and then when I thought I was home free, I get

> scleroderma. What a life! If it isn't one thing, it is another. Dolores

>

>

> >

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >> None of us are the same -

> >> I have watched my Vitamin D fall - when I was really sick I was

> >> taking

> >> 200,000 per month - I am back up there again

> >>

> >> Doxy is free in Florida - I am taking Doxy -

> >>

> >> Bioidentical hormones - Lindsey and I have the same Doctor. I am

> >> convinced that for me, in my particular situation, it was the

> >> inability

> >> to get the right balance of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone

> >> that

> >> led to my illness. I was *absolutely positively perfect *before.

> >> And, I

> >> found one article that supported that. I was taking prescription

> >> HRT -

> >> So my blood work showed that I had no hormones - hello ;-) - All my

> >> doctors have been willing to offer them back to me - I am taking

> >> prescription HRT again - one natural and the other a patch - I do

> >> believe that my estrogen levels are increasing - I absolutely

> >> refused to

> >> take the bioidentical - so we compromised with the patch - I couldn't

> >> stand all the creme and for me, it was awlful

> >>

> >> so that's my two cents -

> >>

> >> When does the bloat go away???????\

> >>

> >> Carole

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

years ago, as prevention (??) I had my fillings replaced, I think 4. I did have

also a root canal done about 30 years ago, but did not to anything with the root

canal. Makes me wonder............sally

Re: rheumatic vitamin d - doxy - and bioidentical hormones

I don't know, but I heard or read somewhere that bacteria likes to hide in teeth

and can lead to rheumatic heart or rheumatic fever when it gets into the

circulation. This is true especially of Strep. I also heard that metal in the

mouth in not a good thing. So, to be playing it safe, I had all metal removed

from my mouth and had porcelain put in it's place. The antibiotics protects my

heart and weakens the bacteria. Then my healing immune system can kill them off.

I don't know anything about hormones. I am 75 and somehow I managed to get

through the insanity of menopause. I did take HRT pills & patch for years before

they said they were harmful to the body. I eventually was able to wean myself

off and then when I thought I was home free, I get scleroderma. What a life!

If it isn't one thing, it is another. Dolores

>

>>

>>

>>

>>>

>> None of us are the same -

>> I have watched my Vitamin D fall - when I was really sick I was

>> taking

>> 200,000 per month - I am back up there again

>>

>> Doxy is free in Florida - I am taking Doxy -

>>

>> Bioidentical hormones - Lindsey and I have the same Doctor. I am

>> convinced that for me, in my particular situation, it was the

>> inability

>> to get the right balance of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone

>> that

>> led to my illness. I was *absolutely positively perfect *before.

>> And, I

>> found one article that supported that. I was taking prescription

>> HRT -

>> So my blood work showed that I had no hormones - hello ;-) - All my

>> doctors have been willing to offer them back to me - I am taking

>> prescription HRT again - one natural and the other a patch - I do

>> believe that my estrogen levels are increasing - I absolutely

>> refused to

>> take the bioidentical - so we compromised with the patch - I couldn't

>> stand all the creme and for me, it was awlful

>>

>> so that's my two cents -

>>

>> When does the bloat go away???????\

>>

>> Carole

>>

>>