Re: strontium--

February 22, 2008

,

Your simple question opens up a whole list of points. The common

(false) impression is that calcium is the major

supplement necessary. In reality, taking calcium in the recommended high

doses alone does more harm than good.

The reason is that the body needs many " co-factors " to put calcium in

the right places. If these co-factors are not

present, the body puts calcium in the wrong places resulting in joint

malformation, bone spurs, deposits in soft

tissues like arteries etc.

The reason I know this problem is my wife nne who developed calcium

deposits on her heart valves

which give rise to so-called heart murmur. Obviously, calcium does not

belong there. Why was it deposited there ?

The body was short of vitamin K2. Check vitamin K2 on Google and you

find many useful references.

Now back to the osteoporosis. Healthy bone formation needs are variety

of minerals together. Just to provide one or

two of theses minerals is at best a waste.

What does the body need: calcium, magnesium, boron, vitamin D, vitamin

K2 and others.

If you read up there are also some trace elements in addition.

Generally, the body should get at least a total of 1,000 - 1,500 mg

calcium, and 500 - 800 mg magnesium per day.

Best source is food. Green vegetables contain plenty calcium.

Supplements can only fill in. The important part is that magnesium has to

be at least one-half of the calcium. Remember cow's milk contains only

calcium , very little magnesium.

This is why drinking lots of milk without adding magnesium is detrimental.

Vitamin D requirements are best met by daily sunshine (1/2) hour

without sunscreen or with supplements (400 - 800 IU).

Vitamin K2 needs to be supplemented. For details read Howenstine,

MD : VITAMIN K2 CONTROLS REMOVAL

OF CALCIUM FROM ARTERIES. (

http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james59.htm )

Good Luck,

O' Conchubair wrote:

>

> What is your opinion of Ca., Mg., D3, Boron for osteoporosis?

> Thank you.

>

> >

> > Having a PhD in chemistry gives me a better basis to judge these things.

> > Good Luck

> >

>

February 22, 2008

,

Just when I sent the response to your osteoporosis question, I found

some interesting publications about calcium intake

and heart attacks. The quoted calcium level of 1,000 to 1,500 mg is

really a high maximum. Some researchers contend

that high calcium intake is really the cause of heart attacks. They

point out that those countries (US, New Zealand, Ireland,Scandinavia)

with the highest dairy consumption (calcium)

have the highest rates of heart attcks.

Read Seely,MD in InternationalJournal of Cardiology, 1991;

33(2):191-8 or http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi69.html

O' Conchubair wrote:

>

> What is your opinion of Ca., Mg., D3, Boron for osteoporosis?

> Thank you.

>

> >

> > Having a PhD in chemistry gives me a better basis to judge these things.

> > Good Luck

> >

>

February 22, 2008

Hi, . I believe I also have calcium deposits in arteries. But I

wanted to add another experience that I had with the co-factors you

mention. And also to ask you if you think your wife is making progress

in reducing the calcifications.

I was tested - say 4 yrs ago - for vitamin K levels & vitamin D levels.

What I found is that my K was very low. So I took K1 - as K2 was not

out at the time. I took a LOT of K1, just to get my levels to the

middle of the range. My levels never got high. But the last time, they

swung up above the normal range. I scratched my head, and think that

the difference was that I had stopped eating my reactive foods, such as

gluten, casseinate. So while I'm not scientifically positive, I think

that my celiac syndrome situation affected my ability to absorb & /or

utilize vitamin K.

The other thing is, is that sunshine didn't work to raise my vitamin D

level. I know that sunshine works less for elderly folks as they lose

some the enzyme necessary for conversion in the body. I do not know why

sunshine did not work for me, but boy did I try. Every day I was out at

high noon, trying to get my vitamin D level up. Testing (again & again)

showed that it did not happen. I assume this is related to my screwed

up health problems.

But meanwhile, despite having problems with vitamin K and D, I was

taking calcium. Dexa's were showing dramatic bone loss at the time, & I

was fighting hard to not be like my mom, who has severe osteoporosis.

As for trying to correct the calcifications, K2 is supposed to help, but

do you think chelation should be considered?

Amy

Wiesboeck wrote:

>

> The reason is that the body needs many " co-factors " to put calcium in

> the right places. If these co-factors are not

> present, the body puts calcium in the wrong places resulting in joint

> malformation, bone spurs, deposits in soft

> tissues like arteries etc.

> The reason I know this problem is my wife nne who developed calcium

> deposits on her heart valves

> which give rise to so-called heart murmur. Obviously, calcium does not

> belong there. Why was it deposited there ?

> The body was short of vitamin K2.

>

> MD : VITAMIN K2 CONTROLS REMOVAL

> OF CALCIUM FROM ARTERIES. (

> http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james59.htm

> <http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james59.htm> )

> Good Luck,

>

February 22, 2008

This agrees somewhat with the information I've read, although the info

doesn't take into account the co-factors you've mentioned previously...

and what if the problem isn't just high calcium, but it's because of

inadequate cofactors. Another consideration is someone who exercises

needs more calcium as exercise does something to lower your calcium

levels. Incidentally, I've also been reading that when vitamin d levels

are too high, that too causes calcium & heart problems. So,there is no

disagreement - but some wonder about the other factors. Also, I have

this sense of damned if I do & damned if I don't.

Amy

Wiesboeck wrote:

>

> ,

> Just when I sent the response to your osteoporosis question, I found

> some interesting publications about calcium intake

> and heart attacks. The quoted calcium level of 1,000 to 1,500 mg is

> really a high maximum. Some researchers contend

> that high calcium intake is really the cause of heart attacks. They

> point out that those countries (US, New Zealand, Ireland,Scandinavia)

> with the highest dairy consumption (calcium)

> have the highest rates of heart attcks.

> Read Seely,MD in InternationalJournal of Cardiology, 1991;

> 33(2):191-8 or http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi69.html

> <http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi69.html>

>

February 23, 2008

Hi Amy,

My wife has been on K2 treament only about six months. So it is too

early to tell.

When she has another test I will let you know.

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Amy wrote:

>

> Hi, . I believe I also have calcium deposits in arteries. But I

> wanted to add another experience that I had with the co-factors you

> mention. And also to ask you if you think your wife is making progress

> in reducing the calcifications.

>

> I was tested - say 4 yrs ago - for vitamin K levels & vitamin D levels.

> What I found is that my K was very low. So I took K1 - as K2 was not

> out at the time. I took a LOT of K1, just to get my levels to the

> middle of the range. My levels never got high. But the last time, they

> swung up above the normal range. I scratched my head, and think that

> the difference was that I had stopped eating my reactive foods, such as

> gluten, casseinate. So while I'm not scientifically positive, I think

> that my celiac syndrome situation affected my ability to absorb & /or

> utilize vitamin K.

>

> The other thing is, is that sunshine didn't work to raise my vitamin D

> level. I know that sunshine works less for elderly folks as they lose

> some the enzyme necessary for conversion in the body. I do not know why

> sunshine did not work for me, but boy did I try. Every day I was out at

> high noon, trying to get my vitamin D level up. Testing (again & again)

> showed that it did not happen. I assume this is related to my screwed

> up health problems.

>

> But meanwhile, despite having problems with vitamin K and D, I was

> taking calcium. Dexa's were showing dramatic bone loss at the time, & I

> was fighting hard to not be like my mom, who has severe osteoporosis.

> As for trying to correct the calcifications, K2 is supposed to help, but

> do you think chelation should be considered?

>

> Amy

>

> Wiesboeck wrote:

> >

> > The reason is that the body needs many " co-factors " to put calcium in

> > the right places. If these co-factors are not

> > present, the body puts calcium in the wrong places resulting in joint

> > malformation, bone spurs, deposits in soft

> > tissues like arteries etc.

> > The reason I know this problem is my wife nne who developed calcium

> > deposits on her heart valves

> > which give rise to so-called heart murmur. Obviously, calcium does not

> > belong there. Why was it deposited there ?

> > The body was short of vitamin K2.

> >

>

> >

> > MD : VITAMIN K2 CONTROLS REMOVAL

> > OF CALCIUM FROM ARTERIES. (

> > http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james59.htm

> <http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james59.htm>

> > <http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james59.htm

> <http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james59.htm>> )

> > Good Luck,

> >

>

February 23, 2008

How can one find out if they are needing extra K2?

Thanks,

Gloria

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