Guest guest Posted March 16, 2002 Report Share Posted March 16, 2002 We've many discussions here about nutrition as a basis for health and resistance to pathogens/cleanup crew, and I think many will find the following very interesting. I compiled it from another email list I am on. A brief summary: chickens were given a kelp solution instead of plain water and then they (researchers) were practically unable to create diseased state in them, even by directly injecting them with pathogens. Care for soil is also mentioned. ---------------------------- The following are posts from an email list that is mostly devoted to use of colloidal silver. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------- The recent animal-related posts jogged my failing memory into recalling some interesting....and I believe, useful investigations we conducted some time in the past. These endeavors revolved about the possible efficacy of " kelp-based solutions " for nutritional support and disease prevention/abatement in animal pets and livestock. Our results were VERY encouraging. The most efficacious protocol was as follows: Starting with a concentrated solution of kelp (seaweed) extract [ approx. 11 ounces of soluble powder in 1 gallon of water], we used 2 tablespoons CONCENTRATE diluted in 1 gallon of water......as the basic mixture. Our goal was to evaluate the benefits---if any---of using this material as a nutritional support and/or a disease prevention modality for domestic pets and livestock. The beneficial results exceeded our expectations. In chickens furnished this solution free choice, NO significant nutritional-based deficiencies were detectable(less than .1%)......with them receiving 3 different commercial feed mixtures. Among controls, a background pathogenic level of 5% was a constant....and in some cases outbreaks of varying pathogens expressed as high as 20%...on occasion. Among " purposely infected " groups, naturally -occurring recovery/resistance spontaneously established (lowering mortality from 60% to 10%) when the kelp solutions were administered as the sole source of liquid intake AFTER THE INFECTION. The speed and completeness of recovery was noticeably enhanced when the parent solution was diluted 20%, by volume, with 10 ppm CS. This in spite of contentions/suspicions of antagonisms between the silver colloid and the parent solution substances. Among subjects furnished access to the Kelp X CS combination solution, we were able to infect...via direct injection....less than 2% of the subjects----and the resulting insults were, in almost all cases, quite mild. Mortality was less than .05%. Our results among dogs, cats, and birds.....were equally impressive; although the physical number of subjects was much smaller. We did encounter some difficulty in getting cats to drink water containing this level of kelp.....at least in the beginning. The only successful method involved maintaining them in cages.....during the evaluations. At the time of these experiments we did not utilize MSM, vitamin supports, fluid electrolyte enhancement, etc. A rather fascinating byline relating to this type investigation is that a similar modality involving human volunteers (older subjects....beyond 60) yielded superior results----when employing a somewhat modified version----for individuals suffering from a variety of chronic expressions. The principal modification involved a second dilution of the kelp X CS with 25%, by volume, of complete sea-solid solution (reduced from 35,000 ppm to 8750 ppm). The sea solid solution may be constructed using any acceptable FULL SPECTRUM source (e.g. Celtic Sea Salt, etc.....but never ANY white or leached marine salt). This latter modification enabled a rather pronounced synergistic effect. Interestingly, we utilized the same unmodified, agricultural grade, kelp powder..... which we used in the animal experiments. Our bacteriological tests (of these CS containing solutions) revealed no viable pathogens extant.....prior to use for the human volunteers. While there was little difference in the kelp products we evaluated, we settled.....for the bulk of our tests.....upon on one called Maxicrop. The reasons being that it gave the best solubility results and seemed to evoke more pronounced biological benefits----probably as a result of superior extraction/concentration techniques. We do not endorse this----OR ANY OTHER---product. These were, simply, our particular results under our particular criteria. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Someone replied: We have never utilized liquid kelp, but we feed at least 300 lbs. of organic kelp meal annually to all livestock, birds, cats, canids. Livestock readily eat it free choice, as do the birds. We've never had any sick goats or llamas and I believe in large part to the kelp. One of the few products we won't live without. It's great for hair, skin, coat, pigmentation, production, amongst other things and full of vitamins and minerals. I've put it in the cats waterer and they shyed away for a bit, but eventually drank it. I will look into this liquid concentrate for future use. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Someone asked for clarification of the protocol. Below is a more detailed explanation: The product used must be a SOLUBLE powder product. These are, actually, highly concentrated liquids which have been dessicated back to powder form. 11 ounces is, simply, one of the more common quantities marketed. ll ounces of this material will go into solution----very rapidly---in one gallon of plain tap water. The resulting concentrate will yield about 240 gallons of " general purpose " solution. e.g. foliar spray, therapeutic level for pet/livestock watering, etc. This concentration at 2 fluid ounces per day (for human volunteers)......proved superior to any other type of mineral supplement (including fossilized humus, montmorillonite clays, shales, etc)......whether in liquid or powdered form. The kelp solution concentrate does not.....of itself......require refrigeration. However, since it is such a powerful support medium for bacterial generation-----even minor contamination via bacteria plus any nutrient form (especially sugar forms)......could result in very sudden and exponential blooms. Therefore, refrigeration would be prudent for the liquid concentrate. Actually, many antagonistic pathogens are subdued in the presence of kelp solutions------at these concentrations. The allusion to Celtic Sea Salt was intended to emphasis that only sea solids containing the entire spectrum of salts and trace elements found in the " parent " solution of the open oceans.........yields all of the minerals required by healthy plant and animal forms------both marine, and terrestrial. These materials must be harvested following only natural evaporation conditions----in a very xeric climate (essentially desert type atmosphere) ......if possible. The very best materials obtained, came from the Baja California area. Small quantities (less than 10,000 pounds) of unreduced/untreated " sea solids " are quite difficult to obtain from the one large firm controlling the salt producing enterprise in this area. Large natural food stores are the best source for Celtic Sea Salt. Additionally, the " coarse " grind is much cheaper......and preferable to the " fine " grind. The 35,000 ppm figure was given because it is-----approximately-----the strength level of the solubilized mineral components in " normal " sea water. Actually, the most generally used concentration.....both for animal watering......and plant/soil application, was on the order of 3500 ppm (roughly, a simple dilution of 10:1 of normal sea water). To obtain, approximately, a correct concentration in ppm that equates to sea water.....simply dissolve the Celtic Sea Salt in one quart of distilled water-----one teaspoon at a time and monitor with any economical TDS type meter. The TDS-1 manufactured by Hanna is quite sufficient for this purpose. When the concentration gets to around 15000 ppm just dilute with about 4 quarts of distilled water and you should get a strength reading of around 3700 ppm. Purists can " trim-out " from there. Interestingly, we validated the work of Dr. Maynard Murray......relating to pathogenic insults and chickens. We found it to be almost impossible to generate conditions facilitating successful pathogenic insult among chickens who were furnished the combination kelp/CS drinking water.....free choice. The results were---simply---beyond anything we had ever achieved before......from any form of nutritional and/or supplement support protocol. They were achieved at astonishingly low cost levels. At this writing, we are again in the process of revisiting some of our older, previous, experiments utilizing " full spectrum " sea solids------both in solubilized form.......and as " straight-run crystals " simply scattered upon the soil surface at concentrations between 1100 and 1500 pounds per acre. Although current " academic wisdom " claims the Nacl constituent (from such high concentrations) would be lethal to 99% of all terrestrial plant forms.......we have experienced nothing but SUPERB results from EVERY tree, shrub, or flower subjected to this protocol. Currently, our consensus is that it is CRIMINAL.....in the extreme.....what academia has perpetrated upon the general public (at least in this instance)-----whether by design or from ignorance. --------------------------------------------------------------------- If you will conduct a web search for Thorvin Kelp suppliers, I believe you can find one reasonably close to you. In calendar 1995 we concluded some rather extensive studies employing kelp.......both as a micro-supplement, and a protocol support for certain functional disorders (especially Benign Hypertrophic Prostatitis) and thyroid malfunctions. Of all types and suppliers evaluated; none were as satisfactory as Thorvin. This, particular, kelp comes from Iceland and is dried by a low-temperature process utilizing geothermally-based heat sources. We found it to be a splendid product. A majority of all of our staff's families, who utilize " natural " foods/supplements, have used this product since the conclusion of our evaluations. We have no commercial, or any other, connections with the processors or sellers of Thorvin Kelp. Sincerely, xxx. p.s. You can use the Agricultural Grade.....just fine. It is all processed using the same machinery and methodology. ----------- From me: I requested an updated about this brand and was told that they still believe that Thorvin is measurably superior to all other " powdered or granulated " types they evaluated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I also asked that person why they think that it's the kelp and not CS that prevented infection and here's what he told that they conducted tests involving groups with CS only; kelp only; and a combination of both. While the number of pathogenic insults were substantially fewer among the CS only....when compared with the Kelp only, THERE WERE fungal insults among the CS only group. When CS was combined with kelp...NO fungal pathogens presented. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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