Re: Ionized H2O

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At 02:19 AM 3/12/2002 +0000, you wrote:

> Is there anything substantial in all the hype about ionized

>water? Anybody out there use the stuff and have personal experiences

>to relate? Any product recommendations? Can distilled water be

>ionized? Thanks!

I regularly drink some from a machine I purchased ( " Mini Super Water -

Super Oxide Water " ). It uses electrolysis to create so-called " alkaline "

water in one container and " acid " water in another. The latter is used in

hospitals for sterilization as it is quite the oxidant (and the hospitals

don't really have a need for the alkaline water).

The alkaline water, when drunk, acts as a strong anti-oxidant by bonding to

free radicals and stabilizing them. There are those, to be fair, that feel

this artificial water is de-stabilizing to the body. I'm wary of that and

alert to any changes but so far I have observed no negative effects. I

also drink lots of green vegetable juice which is another strong

anti-oxidant drink.

What I have noticed is a decrease in injury repair time of cuts and

scratches and bruises. Of the few moles that I have on my skin several

have dried and flaked off (more than once as I quit the water for some time

and at least one mole came back and has now again dried up and flaked off a

second time). The smell and taste of the water is reminiscent of spring water.

I think, all in all, it has been a good experiment so far and I plan to

continue using the water for awhile.

Honestly, I don't have particular products to recommend - I just came by

this particular model and I don't think it is still being made (but there

are others I've noticed on the internet). Distilled water will not work -

some salt has to be added to permit electrical conduction through the

water. I add a tiny pinch of Celtic Sea Salt to carbon-filtered tap

water. I use a non-bleached coffee filter to filter out some mineral

precipitates and store it in the refrigerator in a covered mason jar.

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Regards,

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[Guest guest]

At 02:19 AM 3/12/2002 +0000, you wrote:

> Is there anything substantial in all the hype about ionized

>water? Anybody out there use the stuff and have personal experiences

>to relate? Any product recommendations? Can distilled water be

>ionized? Thanks!

I use to use an ionizer made by Singer and sold through High Tech Health (you

could find their website easily through a search). I liked their unit best

because it was the only one I found that had ultra-violet to clean the inside of

the unit (the other ones had the possiblity of bacterial contamination within

the unit and no system to disinfect it). There are two basic types of ionzers

that I ran into... a flow though and a batch unit. The flow through is what I

had - it hooks up to your faucet and everytime you get water it is treated. This

was convienent. The down side is that the unit does not filter flouride and I " m

not really sure how effective it is on other pollutants (this is why I

eventually stopped using it - I sold it). The batch units do not hook up to your

faucet - you pour water into them, run the machine for about 30 minutes and it

produces two batches of water - one ionized/alkaline and one acid (good for

soaking vegetables and using externally). It might be possible to use distilled

water with this unit if you add minerals to the water (it was possible to use

this unit with RO water if you add minerals so I'm assuming distilled would be

the same). The guy I spoke to about the batch units said that filtered, non-RO

water would be better though.

The flow through units produce a redox of around -100 to -300 while the batch

units can produce a redox of around -500 to -800. According to some, to really

have therapuetic effects, you need the higher numbers. I don't think that is

necessarily true - any negative redox would be beneficial, especially over time.

I could tell a difference when I got my unit. At first I had strong detox

signs - I got headaches if I drank too much water. As I used it and gradually

drank more water from the unit, I felt like I had more energy and experienced

benefits in my spine (less rigidity, bones didn't seem to sublux as easily). A

friend of mine drank my water on a regular basis too and she felt better with it

(she really noticed a difference when she went out of town for an extended trip

and didn't have the water).

The problem I had with the flow through unit was feeling like I wasn't getting

very clean water (not able to purify it prior to having it go through the unit -

the unit itself had a basic carbon filter). The problem I had with the batch

unit was:

1) it is a hassle to have to make water everyday

2) the redox changes quickly so if you store the water even for a day, you

don't end up with a lot of negative ions at the end of the day

3) to maintain the negative redox at all the water has to be refridgerated and

I don't drink cold water

4) the pH was often above 10 and I had been warned that this can have

detrimental effects of the intestines (something to do with protein - possibly

pulling protein from your body???.. don't remember). The pH of the flow-through

unit could get pretty high too but generally stayed under 10 (we were in FL at

the time and there was a lot of coral in the water which may have raised the

pH).

Overall, I really like ionized, alkaline water and I think it does have health

benefits but I would like to find a better system for creating it. You should

talk to at Radiant Life about their system.

Barb

Barb

[Guest guest]

Take a look at water ionizer at http://www.betterwayhealth.com/. They also offer

a pre-filter that

eliminates 97% of the fluoride.

Roman

[Guest guest]

>Take a look at water ionizer at http://www.betterwayhealth.com/. They also

offer a pre-filter >that eliminates 97% of the fluoride.

This looks like a good machine and is a lot cheaper than most I have seen

(including the one I bought years ago!) I'm tempted to get one myself. I emailed

the seller of this machine and asked about the flouride filter and the pH and

redox of the water run through this machine...this is what he said:

Barb,

Since fluoride is attracted to the same electrode as the acidic water you

reduce your fluoride load by about 35%.

Fluoride is too small a molecule to be physically eliminated by filtration.

Fortunately, the Fluoride is attracted to the same electrode as the Acidic

component of the water during Ionization and a good portion of it exits the

unit with the Acidic water. The Ionization process itself will not remove

all the Fluoride unless the unit is equipped with a specialty filter.

I have investigated some alternatives for producing a greater reduction of

Fluoride. Potassium, incorporated in the filter, is one possible solution,

however, it leaves the water with a very bitter and unacceptable taste. I

do offer a Pre-filter that eliminates 97% of the Fluoride by adsorbing (the

Fluoride permanently adheres to the media) the offending molecules.

Additionally this filter is effective in removing: Arsenic, Hydrogen

Chloride, Hydrogen Sulfide, and Carbonyl Sulfide ($93 + shipping - shipping

included if ordered with your unit. Replacement cartridge $57 - one year

service life).

Our Fluoride pre-filter leaves intact the necessary, flavor enhancing, high

efficiency, multi stage, activated carbon filter that is an integral part of

your Jupiter Masterpiece Ionized Alkaline Water Filter. This high quality

filter removes 99.5% of the Chlorine, also heavy metals, etc. just prior to

the water entering the Ionization chamber. (The Chlorine removal process is

a Proprietary method unique to Jupiter Ionizing Alkaline Water Filters)

In the Ionization chamber, the acidic causing elements in the water are

separated and eliminated with the Acidic water.

The beneficial minerals (Calcium, Magnesium etc.), are Ionized (this allows

you to better absorb them) and are part of the Alkaline water that you

drink.

Also, during Ionization, the water is restructured into symmetrical " micro

clusters " that have 5 to 6 water molecules instead of the 12 to 13 molecule

structure of " regular " water. This " wetter water " hydrates your cells more

efficiently and carries a much greater proportion of Oxygen than other

water. The end result is water that Alkalizes, Oxygenates and Detoxes your

body while Enhancing Your Immune System. Cancer and other disease cannot

survive in a properly Alkalized and Oxygenated environment.

The final pH of the water, after Ionization, is largely determined by the

properties of your source water. With the Jupiter Ionized Alkaline Water

Filters you have a choice of 5 pH settings. A pH test kit is included with

your Jupiter so that you can determine what pH is produced at each setting.

Typically, using municipal source water, your Jupiter Ionized Alkaline Water

Filter will produce Alkaline water ranging from around 7 pH at the lowest

setting to around 10 pH (and above in many cases) at the highest of the 5

programmable setting selections. (Corresponding acidic water goes as low as

3.8 pH.) The ORP at the highest pH is around -150 mv.

It isn't recommended that you consume water over 9 pH. Most Jupiter

Masterpiece owners use their water in the 8.5 to 9 pH range to gain the

maximum health benefits (Alkalizing, Oxygenating and Detoxing your body

while Enhancing your Immune System).

Dave Perkins

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