Re: Finally Talked to the Rheumy

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

I am aware that I am a new member but would just like to put my 2 cents worth

into the mix.

I am disappointed that some of you are now attacking Dolores, who in my opinion

didn't do anything wrong. All she did was tell the truth, as she saw it, and

for what it's worth I would have done the same thing.

After I read the so-called offending post & what started it I think the

merry-go-round I believe went like this:

1 Amy posted & asked for advice,

2 People responded & gave their advice,

3 Amy ignored the advice,

& so it went on until finally Dolores felt it necessary to tell Amy the truth

without gilding the lilly. I think we can all agree that there are times when

we need to hear the unblemished truth.

Unfortunately there are a couple of issues some people tend to ignore when

looking for a treatment path; the first being that, because they are in pain or

suffering, they don't actually listen to anyone & have trouble thinking

logically;, that, in my opinion, is sometimes where the problem lies. All the

patient wants is to find a doctor who will tell them take this & it will cure

you!

With the diseases we have there isn't a specialist or doctor, anywhere in the

world, who will tell a patient 'take this drug & it will cure you, what they do

say is 'take this & it might help ease the symptoms'. There is no doubt the

traditional way of treating any of the the diseases we have is to give the

patient drugs that have been specifically designed to mask any symptoms you may

have. The medical professionals have no idea which drug will actually do that,

but they do try the best way they know how with the knowledge they have,

sometimes disguarding other treatment options along the way because that other

treatment is not considered the norm.

Sadly there is a paradox in all this ... Doctor's don't actually listen to their

patients, not because they don't want to but because they hear what they think

is the same stories from patients every day. Add to that the patients, there is

no doubt that people who are in pain & suffering do not actually listen or

understand exactly what is being said, plus people pain don't think logically.

What a dilemna!

I don't see what is wrong with Dorores or anyone telling someone who asks for

advice & for all intents in purposes have ignored it, to get off their butts &

be proactive in their own journey.

In my view the logics here are:

1 Traditional drugs only mask the symptoms,

2 The diseases will & do keep raging underneath,

3 These drugs do not target the cause (or to be politically correct possible

cause) of the disease,

4 These drugs are not intended to target the cause of the disease,

5 These drugs will eventually stop working,

6 When the drug of choice stops working the doctors will prescribe another &

another & another in the hope that one of them will work for a while & so the

cycle turns.

Unfortunately the current drugs of choice prescribed by most medical

professionals appear to stifle the immune system in the process so what you have

at the end of the day is yet another big problem to deal with.

With AP, this treatment is designed to target what is the probable, most likely

the cause of the disease. Taking what is essentially miniscule amounts of

antibiotics for an indefinate period of time does not pose a great health risk

to the majority of people.

Surely if you want to be proactive in any decision regarding treatment options

you should be aware & well versed in what the options are.

In defending Amy's position you are demeaning Dolores'. I would ask all of you

to think before you take someone to task. I repeat, Dolores didn't do anything

wrong!

[Guest guest]

AMEN!!!!  So well stated. 

 Josie (Dallas TX)

________________________________

From: Maz <mazm_mm@...>

rheumatic

Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 8:18:41 PM

Subject: rheumatic Re: Finally Talked to the Rheumy

Hi everyone,

I am aware that I am a new member but would just like to put my 2 cents worth

into the mix. 

I am disappointed that some of you are now attacking Dolores, who in my opinion

didn't do anything wrong.  All she did was tell the truth, as she saw it, and

for what it's worth I would have done the same thing.

After I read the so-called offending post & what started it I think the

merry-go-round I believe went like this:

1  Amy posted & asked for advice,

2  People responded & gave their advice,

3  Amy ignored the advice,

& so it went on until finally Dolores felt it necessary to tell Amy the truth

without gilding the lilly.  I think we can all agree that there are times when

we need to hear the unblemished truth.

Unfortunately there are a couple of issues some people tend to ignore when

looking for a treatment path; the first being that, because they are in pain or

suffering, they don't actually listen to anyone & have trouble thinking

logically;, that, in my opinion, is sometimes where the problem lies.  All the

patient wants is to find a doctor who will tell them take this & it will cure

you! 

With the diseases we have there isn't a specialist or doctor, anywhere in the

world, who will tell a patient 'take this drug & it will cure you, what they do

say is 'take this & it might help ease the symptoms'.  There is no doubt the

traditional way of treating any of the the diseases we have is to give the

patient drugs that have been specifically designed to mask any symptoms you may

have.  The medical professionals have no idea which drug will actually do that,

but they do try the best way they know how with the knowledge they have,

sometimes disguarding other treatment options along the way because that other

treatment is not considered the norm.

Sadly there is a paradox in all this ... Doctor's don't actually listen to their

patients, not because they don't want to but because they hear what they think

is the same stories from patients every day.  Add to that the patients, there is

no doubt that people who are in pain & suffering do not actually listen or

understand exactly what is being said, plus people pain don't think logically. 

What a dilemna!

I don't see what is wrong with Dorores or anyone telling someone who asks for

advice & for all intents in purposes have ignored it, to get off their butts &

be proactive in their own journey.

In my view the logics here are:

1  Traditional drugs only mask the symptoms,

2  The diseases will & do keep raging underneath,

3  These drugs do not target the cause (or to be politically correct possible

cause) of the disease,

4  These drugs are not intended to target the cause of the disease,

5  These drugs will eventually stop working,

6  When the drug of choice stops working the doctors will prescribe another &

another & another in the hope that one of them will work for a while & so the

cycle turns.

Unfortunately the current drugs of choice prescribed by most medical

professionals appear to stifle the immune system in the process so what you have

at the end of the day is yet another big problem to deal with.

With AP, this treatment is designed to target what is the probable, most likely

the cause of the disease.  Taking what is essentially miniscule amounts of

antibiotics for an indefinate period of time does not pose a great health risk

to the majority of people.

Surely if you want to be proactive in any decision regarding treatment options

you should be aware & well versed in what the options are. 

In defending Amy's position you are demeaning Dolores'.  I would ask all of you

to think before you take someone to task.  I repeat, Dolores didn't do anything

wrong!

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for your support, phine.  I needed that.  I am a patient also

who had lots of heart and lung damage from scleroderma.  I am in remission, but

from all the flak I got, I had to take to my bed for a few days as my heart

began having irregular rythms again.  A few days of rest, some magnesium and

potassium seems to have eased up the rythm and I'm hoping it remains calm.  I

haven't had a run of irregular rythms in several years.  So, I'm hoping it is

nothing but stress that will go away once everything calms down.  I am

grateful and thankful for your input.  Thank you, Dolores

From: phine Bradshaw <jjosie007@...>

Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Finally Talked to the Rheumy

rheumatic

Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 10:23 PM

 

AMEN!!!!  So well stated. 

 Josie (Dallas TX)

________________________________

From: Maz <mazm_mm@...>

rheumatic

Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 8:18:41 PM

Subject: rheumatic Re: Finally Talked to the Rheumy

Hi everyone,

I am aware that I am a new member but would just like to put my 2 cents worth

into the mix. 

I am disappointed that some of you are now attacking Dolores, who in my opinion

didn't do anything wrong.  All she did was tell the truth, as she saw it, and

for what it's worth I would have done the same thing.

After I read the so-called offending post & what started it I think the

merry-go-round I believe went like this:

1  Amy posted & asked for advice,

2  People responded & gave their advice,

3  Amy ignored the advice,

& so it went on until finally Dolores felt it necessary to tell Amy the truth

without gilding the lilly.  I think we can all agree that there are times when

we need to hear the unblemished truth.

Unfortunately there are a couple of issues some people tend to ignore when

looking for a treatment path; the first being that, because they are in pain or

suffering, they don't actually listen to anyone & have trouble thinking

logically;, that, in my opinion, is sometimes where the problem lies.  All the

patient wants is to find a doctor who will tell them take this & it will cure

you! 

With the diseases we have there isn't a specialist or doctor, anywhere in the

world, who will tell a patient 'take this drug & it will cure you, what they do

say is 'take this & it might help ease the symptoms'.  There is no doubt the

traditional way of treating any of the the diseases we have is to give the

patient drugs that have been specifically designed to mask any symptoms you may

have.  The medical professionals have no idea which drug will actually do that,

but they do try the best way they know how with the knowledge they have,

sometimes disguarding other treatment options along the way because that other

treatment is not considered the norm.

Sadly there is a paradox in all this ... Doctor's don't actually listen to their

patients, not because they don't want to but because they hear what they think

is the same stories from patients every day.  Add to that the patients, there

is no doubt that people who are in pain & suffering do not actually listen or

understand exactly what is being said, plus people pain don't think logically. 

What a dilemna!

I don't see what is wrong with Dorores or anyone telling someone who asks for

advice & for all intents in purposes have ignored it, to get off their butts &

be proactive in their own journey.

In my view the logics here are:

1  Traditional drugs only mask the symptoms,

2  The diseases will & do keep raging underneath,

3  These drugs do not target the cause (or to be politically correct possible

cause) of the disease,

4  These drugs are not intended to target the cause of the disease,

5  These drugs will eventually stop working,

6  When the drug of choice stops working the doctors will prescribe another &

another & another in the hope that one of them will work for a while & so the

cycle turns.

Unfortunately the current drugs of choice prescribed by most medical

professionals appear to stifle the immune system in the process so what you have

at the end of the day is yet another big problem to deal with.

With AP, this treatment is designed to target what is the probable, most likely

the cause of the disease.  Taking what is essentially miniscule amounts of

antibiotics for an indefinate period of time does not pose a great health risk

to the majority of people.

Surely if you want to be proactive in any decision regarding treatment options

you should be aware & well versed in what the options are. 

In defending Amy's position you are demeaning Dolores'.  I would ask all of you

to think before you take someone to task.  I repeat, Dolores didn't do anything

wrong!

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dolores,

Sorry to hear you had a 'turn' created by all the stress I hope you can get back

to where you were really quickly now you realise there are some of us who not

only understood what you tried to do but agreed with you.

Hugs from Australia,

Maz

________________________________

From: mike rosner <martysfolks2004@...>

rheumatic

Sent: Tue, 22 June, 2010 1:04:10 PM

Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Finally Talked to the Rheumy

 

Thank you for your support, phine.  I needed that.  I am a patient also

who had lots of heart and lung damage from scleroderma.  I am in remission, but

from all the flak I got, I had to take to my bed for a few days as my heart

began having irregular rythms again.  A few days of rest, some magnesium and

potassium seems to have eased up the rythm and I'm hoping it remains calm.  I

haven't had a run of irregular rythms in several years.  So, I'm hoping it is

nothing but stress that will go away once everything calms down.  I am

grateful and thankful for your input.  Thank you, Dolores

From: phine Bradshaw <jjosie007@...>

Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Finally Talked to the Rheumy

rheumatic

Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 10:23 PM

 

AMEN!!!!  So well stated. 

 Josie (Dallas TX)

________________________________

From: Maz <mazm_mm@...>

rheumatic

Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 8:18:41 PM

Subject: rheumatic Re: Finally Talked to the Rheumy

Hi everyone,

I am aware that I am a new member but would just like to put my 2 cents worth

into the mix. 

I am disappointed that some of you are now attacking Dolores, who in my opinion

didn't do anything wrong.  All she did was tell the truth, as she saw it, and

for what it's worth I would have done the same thing.

After I read the so-called offending post & what started it I think the

merry-go-round I believe went like this:

1  Amy posted & asked for advice,

2  People responded & gave their advice,

3  Amy ignored the advice,

& so it went on until finally Dolores felt it necessary to tell Amy the truth

without gilding the lilly.  I think we can all agree that there are times when

we need to hear the unblemished truth.

Unfortunately there are a couple of issues some people tend to ignore when

looking for a treatment path; the first being that, because they are in pain or

suffering, they don't actually listen to anyone & have trouble thinking

logically;, that, in my opinion, is sometimes where the problem lies.  All the

patient wants is to find a doctor who will tell them take this & it will cure

you! 

With the diseases we have there isn't a specialist or doctor, anywhere in the

world, who will tell a patient 'take this drug & it will cure you, what they do

say is 'take this & it might help ease the symptoms'.  There is no doubt the

traditional way of treating any of the the diseases we have is to give the

patient drugs that have been specifically designed to mask any symptoms you may

have.  The medical professionals have no idea which drug will actually do that,

but they do try the best way they know how with the knowledge they have,

sometimes disguarding other treatment options along the way because that other

treatment is not considered the norm.

Sadly there is a paradox in all this ... Doctor's don't actually listen to their

patients, not because they don't want to but because they hear what they think

is the same stories from patients every day.  Add to that the patients, there

is no doubt that people who are in pain & suffering do not actually listen or

understand exactly what is being said, plus people pain don't think logically. 

What a dilemna!

I don't see what is wrong with Dorores or anyone telling someone who asks for

advice & for all intents in purposes have ignored it, to get off their butts &

be proactive in their own journey.

In my view the logics here are:

1  Traditional drugs only mask the symptoms,

2  The diseases will & do keep raging underneath,

3  These drugs do not target the cause (or to be politically correct possible

cause) of the disease,

4  These drugs are not intended to target the cause of the disease,

5  These drugs will eventually stop working,

6  When the drug of choice stops working the doctors will prescribe another &

another & another in the hope that one of them will work for a while & so the

cycle turns.

Unfortunately the current drugs of choice prescribed by most medical

professionals appear to stifle the immune system in the process so what you have

at the end of the day is yet another big problem to deal with.

With AP, this treatment is designed to target what is the probable, most likely

the cause of the disease.  Taking what is essentially miniscule amounts of

antibiotics for an indefinate period of time does not pose a great health risk

to the majority of people.

Surely if you want to be proactive in any decision regarding treatment options

you should be aware & well versed in what the options are. 

In defending Amy's position you are demeaning Dolores'.  I would ask all of you

to think before you take someone to task.  I repeat, Dolores didn't do anything

wrong!

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[Guest guest]

Hi Maz!  Thank you too!  You had your shortest day when we had our longest. 

I realize you are in your winter season now and we are in our summer.  For me

in Puerto Rico, there is no difference really.  There is basically only 10

degrees difference. We can swim all year round.  It is a small island. 

Australia is a pretty big continent.  I guess there is a difference in

temperature between the north and the southern parts and I imagine between the

east & west.  Wow! a 25 year drought!  Yikes!  How do the crops grow without

water?  Wish I could send you barrels of water. Sometimes, it rains so hard,

but it doesn't last long.  The rain is more like tropical showers.  The entire

Island is lush and green.  I love it here.  I once lived in Tucson and did not

care for the desert much.  It was very dry and it made my nose bleed.  Then

the monsoons would come and everywhere was flooded.  It was soooo hot. 

Our temperature here never reaches

more than 90 degrees at the most and we have the ocean breezes that keep us

cool, which I love. Nice chatting with you again.  I did put my two cents

worth on the subject of remission.  I will continue the maintenance dose for as

long as I am able or until it no longer works.  But I will always swear by the

'Infectious Theory and the Antibiotic Protocol and will forever be greatful for

men like Dr. MacPherson Brown, the discoverer of mycoplasmas and A/P and

to Henry Scammell who put it all on paper and to Lynne who first told me about

A/P.  I love that woman!    Thanks for your support also!  I really

appreciate it ~~~Dolores       

From: phine Bradshaw <jjosie007@...>

Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Finally Talked to the Rheumy

rheumatic

Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 10:23 PM

 

AMEN!!!!  So well stated. 

 Josie (Dallas TX)

________________________________

From: Maz <mazm_mm@...>

rheumatic

Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 8:18:41 PM

Subject: rheumatic Re: Finally Talked to the Rheumy

Hi everyone,

I am aware that I am a new member but would just like to put my 2 cents worth

into the mix. 

I am disappointed that some of you are now attacking Dolores, who in my opinion

didn't do anything wrong.  All she did was tell the truth, as she saw it, and

for what it's worth I would have done the same thing.

After I read the so-called offending post & what started it I think the

merry-go-round I believe went like this:

1  Amy posted & asked for advice,

2  People responded & gave their advice,

3  Amy ignored the advice,

& so it went on until finally Dolores felt it necessary to tell Amy the truth

without gilding the lilly.  I think we can all agree that there are times when

we need to hear the unblemished truth.

Unfortunately there are a couple of issues some people tend to ignore when

looking for a treatment path; the first being that, because they are in pain or

suffering, they don't actually listen to anyone & have trouble thinking

logically;, that, in my opinion, is sometimes where the problem lies.  All the

patient wants is to find a doctor who will tell them take this & it will cure

you! 

With the diseases we have there isn't a specialist or doctor, anywhere in the

world, who will tell a patient 'take this drug & it will cure you, what they do

say is 'take this & it might help ease the symptoms'.  There is no doubt the

traditional way of treating any of the the diseases we have is to give the

patient drugs that have been specifically designed to mask any symptoms you may

have.  The medical professionals have no idea which drug will actually do that,

but they do try the best way they know how with the knowledge they have,

sometimes disguarding other treatment options along the way because that other

treatment is not considered the norm.

Sadly there is a paradox in all this ... Doctor's don't actually listen to their

patients, not because they don't want to but because they hear what they think

is the same stories from patients every day.  Add to that the patients, there

is no doubt that people who are in pain & suffering do not actually listen or

understand exactly what is being said, plus people pain don't think logically. 

What a dilemna!

I don't see what is wrong with Dorores or anyone telling someone who asks for

advice & for all intents in purposes have ignored it, to get off their butts &

be proactive in their own journey.

In my view the logics here are:

1  Traditional drugs only mask the symptoms,

2  The diseases will & do keep raging underneath,

3  These drugs do not target the cause (or to be politically correct possible

cause) of the disease,

4  These drugs are not intended to target the cause of the disease,

5  These drugs will eventually stop working,

6  When the drug of choice stops working the doctors will prescribe another &

another & another in the hope that one of them will work for a while & so the

cycle turns.

Unfortunately the current drugs of choice prescribed by most medical

professionals appear to stifle the immune system in the process so what you have

at the end of the day is yet another big problem to deal with.

With AP, this treatment is designed to target what is the probable, most likely

the cause of the disease.  Taking what is essentially miniscule amounts of

antibiotics for an indefinate period of time does not pose a great health risk

to the majority of people.

Surely if you want to be proactive in any decision regarding treatment options

you should be aware & well versed in what the options are. 

In defending Amy's position you are demeaning Dolores'.  I would ask all of you

to think before you take someone to task.  I repeat, Dolores didn't do anything

wrong!

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[Guest guest]

I always find it interesting that people from overseas don't actually realise

how big Australia is.  Australia is 2,967892 square miles, is slightly bigger

than USA (minus Alaska) or 15 times bigger than the UK including Ireland, north

is rises above the tropic of Capricorn & we are over 3860 kilometers east to

west & over 4000 north to south  -- so yes you could call us big....lol  The

drought has been the biggest problem here,  people have lost their properties

(farms/ranches or whatever you call them) & some have had to drove their stock

over 2000 k's south to feed them.   There is no doubt that in years to come

water will be more expensive than gold over here.  If we moved north like you

we could live in a temperate climate but right now I actually having different

seasons!

I was very lucky to find people, early in my journey, who pointed me towards AP

& like you having read all the literature I had no doubt in my mind that my

problems definitely came via an infectious source.  Therefore it seems

entirely logical to me if I accept that fact then it stands to reason that an

abx should fix it.  I fully understand your thanks Dolores, I too

give thanks every day to the 2 wondeful people who told me AP existed & extra

thanks to those who have held my hand every inch of the way.   

I guess what is even more interesting for me is that both my AP doctor & the

naturopath she works closely with both have arthritis, in fact the naturopath

has been on AP therapy & supplements for 20+ years now.  

I am not fussed if you choose AP or go down the traditional path as long as your

decision is an informed one.  If you are informed & still continue to believe

the spin I would support your decision although I wouldn't agree with it.

To repay my benefactors I choose to support  & inform people about AP therapy  &

will continue to do so.

It's so nice to find a site like this one.

 

________________________________

From: mike rosner <martysfolks2004@...>

rheumatic

Sent: Tue, 22 June, 2010 2:10:30 PM

Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Finally Talked to the Rheumy

 

Hi Maz!  Thank you too!  You had your shortest day when we had our longest. 

I realize you are in your winter season now and we are in our summer.  For me

in Puerto Rico, there is no difference really.  There is basically only 10

degrees difference. We can swim all year round.  It is a small island. 

Australia is a pretty big continent.  I guess there is a difference in

temperature between the north and the southern parts and I imagine between the

east & west.  Wow! a 25 year drought!  Yikes!  How do the crops grow without

water?  Wish I could send you barrels of water. Sometimes, it rains so hard,

but it doesn't last long.  The rain is more like tropical showers.  The entire

Island is lush and green.  I love it here.  I once lived in Tucson and did not

care for the desert much.  It was very dry and it made my nose bleed.  Then

the monsoons would come and everywhere was flooded.  It was soooo hot. 

Our temperature here never reaches

more than 90 degrees at the most and we have the ocean breezes that keep us

cool, which I love. Nice chatting with you again.  I did put my two cents

worth on the subject of remission.  I will continue the maintenance dose for as

long as I am able or until it no longer works.  But I will always swear by the

'Infectious Theory and the Antibiotic Protocol and will forever be greatful for

men like Dr. MacPherson Brown, the discoverer of mycoplasmas and A/P and

to Henry Scammell who put it all on paper and to Lynne who first told me about

A/P.  I love that woman!    Thanks for your support also!  I really

appreciate it ~~~Dolores       

From: phine Bradshaw <jjosie007@...>

Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Finally Talked to the Rheumy

rheumatic

Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 10:23 PM

 

AMEN!!!!  So well stated. 

 Josie (Dallas TX)

________________________________

From: Maz <mazm_mm@...>

rheumatic

Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 8:18:41 PM

Subject: rheumatic Re: Finally Talked to the Rheumy

Hi everyone,

I am aware that I am a new member but would just like to put my 2 cents worth

into the mix. 

I am disappointed that some of you are now attacking Dolores, who in my opinion

didn't do anything wrong.  All she did was tell the truth, as she saw it, and

for what it's worth I would have done the same thing.

After I read the so-called offending post & what started it I think the

merry-go-round I believe went like this:

1  Amy posted & asked for advice,

2  People responded & gave their advice,

3  Amy ignored the advice,

& so it went on until finally Dolores felt it necessary to tell Amy the truth

without gilding the lilly.  I think we can all agree that there are times when

we need to hear the unblemished truth.

Unfortunately there are a couple of issues some people tend to ignore when

looking for a treatment path; the first being that, because they are in pain or

suffering, they don't actually listen to anyone & have trouble thinking

logically;, that, in my opinion, is sometimes where the problem lies.  All the

patient wants is to find a doctor who will tell them take this & it will cure

you! 

With the diseases we have there isn't a specialist or doctor, anywhere in the

world, who will tell a patient 'take this drug & it will cure you, what they do

say is 'take this & it might help ease the symptoms'.  There is no doubt the

traditional way of treating any of the the diseases we have is to give the

patient drugs that have been specifically designed to mask any symptoms you may

have.  The medical professionals have no idea which drug will actually do that,

but they do try the best way they know how with the knowledge they have,

sometimes disguarding other treatment options along the way because that other

treatment is not considered the norm.

Sadly there is a paradox in all this ... Doctor's don't actually listen to their

patients, not because they don't want to but because they hear what they think

is the same stories from patients every day.  Add to that the patients, there

is no doubt that people who are in pain & suffering do not actually listen or

understand exactly what is being said, plus people pain don't think logically. 

What a dilemna!

I don't see what is wrong with Dorores or anyone telling someone who asks for

advice & for all intents in purposes have ignored it, to get off their butts &

be proactive in their own journey.

In my view the logics here are:

1  Traditional drugs only mask the symptoms,

2  The diseases will & do keep raging underneath,

3  These drugs do not target the cause (or to be politically correct possible

cause) of the disease,

4  These drugs are not intended to target the cause of the disease,

5  These drugs will eventually stop working,

6  When the drug of choice stops working the doctors will prescribe another &

another & another in the hope that one of them will work for a while & so the

cycle turns.

Unfortunately the current drugs of choice prescribed by most medical

professionals appear to stifle the immune system in the process so what you have

at the end of the day is yet another big problem to deal with.

With AP, this treatment is designed to target what is the probable, most likely

the cause of the disease.  Taking what is essentially miniscule amounts of

antibiotics for an indefinate period of time does not pose a great health risk

to the majority of people.

Surely if you want to be proactive in any decision regarding treatment options

you should be aware & well versed in what the options are. 

In defending Amy's position you are demeaning Dolores'.  I would ask all of you

to think before you take someone to task.  I repeat, Dolores didn't do anything

wrong!

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Dolores. I have read emails from others who said they completely

stopped Afib after taking regular doses of magnesium citrate. 300-400

mg per day.

Please take care of yourself. You are much loved & I would hate to be

without you.

Amy

mike rosner wrote:

>

>

> Thank you for your support, phine. I needed that. I am a patient

> also who had lots of heart and lung damage from scleroderma. I am in

> remission, but from all the flak I got, I had to take to my bed for a

> few days as my heart began having irregular rythms again. A few days

> of rest, some magnesium and potassium seems to have eased up the rythm

> and I'm hoping it remains calm. I haven't had a run of irregular

> rythms in several years. So, I'm hoping it is nothing but stress that

> will go away once everything calms down. I am grateful and thankful

> for your input. Thank you, Dolores

>

[Guest guest]

I have been on AP since 2000.  I came into this site read what was being posted,

and since prior to finding this site, I already suspected that I had an

infection.  Every Time I got sick in the past, the doctors would prescribe an

antibiotic.  I could feel my symptoms disappearing from my feet on up.  This

site only reinforced what I was telling my doctors.  If someone comes to this

site, and debates what we already learned, we are all still healing and why

compund our fight w/this disease w/somebody who does not want to try it.

When ever I have an irregular heartbeat (less frequent now than prior to AP) I

drink a magnesium drink called

" Calm " and w/in a few mins the irregular heart beat is regular.    The drink is

fast acting where as when I have taken Magnesium pills never really worked.

I think when our bodies are stressed they use many of the nutrients that heals

our body.

Thank you for all the time you devote to the people on this site.  I know I do

not have the patience to cuddle anyone.  I just present the facts and people

either take it or leave them.

 Josie (Dallas TX)

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From: Evanesce <Evanesce@...>

rheumatic

Sent: Tue, June 22, 2010 5:29:25 AM

Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Finally Talked to the Rheumy

Hi, Dolores.  I have read emails from others who said they completely

stopped Afib after taking regular doses of magnesium citrate.  300-400

mg per day.

Please take care of yourself.  You are much loved & I would hate to be

without you.

Amy

mike rosner wrote:

> 

>

> Thank you for your support, phine.  I needed that.  I am a patient

> also who had lots of heart and lung damage from scleroderma.  I am in

> remission, but from all the flak I got, I had to take to my bed for a

> few days as my heart began having irregular rythms again.  A few days

> of rest, some magnesium and potassium seems to have eased up the rythm

> and I'm hoping it remains calm.  I haven't had a run of irregular

> rythms in several years.  So, I'm hoping it is nothing but stress that

> will go away once everything calms down.  I am grateful and thankful

> for your input.  Thank you, Dolores

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for the suggestions of the different products that contain

magnesium. Years ago when my heart was so irritable that I had to have surgery

to get rid of A fib, my doc put me on first coumadin or warfarin in order to

avoid clotting.  I had what they call a cardiac ablation surgical process. 

Before that I had several angioplasties, both with rotoblader and balloon. They

found that I have an aneurysm and blockages.  I have never gone back for more

angioplasties to see if any of that has been resolved.  I feel the risk too

great.  Still from time to time, my heart would go into PAC' s those are

premature atrial beats, some PVC's premature ventrical beats, and several had a

short run V-tach, (ventricular tachicardia) .which scared me no end. 

They usually have to zap you with paddles like they do on TV if your heart

does not convert immediately.  Thank God, my runs of V-tach were short lived. 

Little did I know that the same mycos

that were attacking my lungs were also attacking my heart.  Continuous A/P

finally cleaned out the irregular beats.  However, under stress, this time, the

irregular beats came back.  I was lucky to have a bottle of Slo-Mag (magnesium)

in the cabinet and so I took two which helped calm the heart muscle.  I

repeated that the next morning when the irregular beats began again.  Years ago

my cardiaologist had prescribed magnesium for heart irregularities. So, if any

of you ever have that symptom, ask your docs about magnesium.. It is a natural

essential mineral the heart needs to function and sometimes we get depleted

under certain circumstances.  I appreciate all the posts that told me about the

various forms of magnesium.  Hopefully, I won't need them again, but I will buy

some just to make sure I have it on hand just in case.  One of the reasons I

moved to Puerto Rico is for the serene calmness, we have here, vs. the frenetic

pace of NYC. I loved

living in NY, but it became too difficult when I got sick, especially the

severely cold winters.  Take care and thank you for your input and

suggestions.  I will definitely heed them.  Dolores

> 

>

> Thank you for your support, phine.  I needed that.  I am a patient

> also who had lots of heart and lung damage from scleroderma.  I am in

> remission, but from all the flak I got, I had to take to my bed for a

> few days as my heart began having irregular rythms again.  A few days

> of rest, some magnesium and potassium seems to have eased up the rythm

> and I'm hoping it remains calm.  I haven't had a run of irregular

> rythms in several years.  So, I'm hoping it is nothing but stress that

> will go away once everything calms down.  I am grateful and thankful

> for your input.  Thank you, Dolores

>

[Guest guest]

My cardiologist in NY put me on Magnesium about 4 years ago when I was having

all my heart problems and was in and out of various irregular heart rythms. 

The atrial fibrillation was one I needed to have surgery for.  They went in an

cut the foci of one side of the atria because I had developed two foci instead

of one and the signals were bouncing off each other causing the heart to

fibrillate.  If that hadn't worked, I would have had to wear a pacemaker. 

They also put me on coumadin to prevent the blood from clotting and causing

strokes.  I know deep down in my heart that my heart was full of mycoplasmas

and that was what started the heart muscle to not function the way it should. 

After, MP, I never had another irregular beat until Amy attacked me the other

night.  So, now I know stress can also cause the heart to go into irregular

beats because the propensity is there to begin with. So I shall be more careful

from now on. Is your HB, your

husband.  Four infarctions is serious.  Does he know what is causing them? 

Does he have plaque in his arteries.  Has there been serious damage to his

myocardium. (heart muscle).  How old is he?  I am so glad your doctor found

what was wrong with your daughter. It is amazing how a simple mineral like

magnesium can change your entire being.  Yes, It is one of the essential

minerals and some people become deficient after a traumatic experience. 

Magnesium is for muscle and nerve health.  It should be taken under a doctors

care.  I don't see my NY cardiologist anymore, but I keep a bottle of

Magnesium in my cabinet at all times.  Haven't used this bottle in a long time,

so I asked Mike to get me a new one as the exp. date on this one was past.  If

we goggle, magnesium, I'm sure we will come up with lots of info.  thank God

for the internet.  The magnesium works on my heart within a half hour.  Your

daughter must have been seriously

magnesium depleted.  Along with magnesium, there is calcium and potassium. 

We don't usually get k+ depletions unless we are on diuretics or drink an

abundance of H2O that acts like a diuretic in which case you need to make

sure you don't deplete your sodium levels.  The normal healthy body usually

keeps everything in balance and we don't normally have to worry about this. di

she have a traumatic birth?  Did she lose much blood?  That can sometimes

trigger to upset the balance.  Anyway, I am so glad you've got your girl back.

Congratulations Grandma. Dolores    

> 

>

> Thank you for your support, phine.  I needed that.  I am a patient

> also who had lots of heart and lung damage from scleroderma.  I am in

> remission, but from all the flak I got, I had to take to my bed for a

> few days as my heart began having irregular rythms again.  A few days

> of rest, some magnesium and potassium seems to have eased up the rythm

> and I'm hoping it remains calm.  I haven't had a run of irregular

> rythms in several years.  So, I'm hoping it is nothing but stress that

> will go away once everything calms down.  I am grateful and thankful

> for your input.  Thank you, Dolores

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,  Thank you for the support from one professional to another,  You

did understand where I was coming from.  Thank you,  I am 73 going on 74 soon

and have seen so much in my time.  I miss my work, but am getting too old to

carry on.  Still, this is a good way to keep helping people.  Since I am now a

patient myself, I can tell my story of recovery by the means that helped me and

so many others, I can suggest the reading materials over and over again, but I

can't force anyone.  If they keep asking and ignore or don't agree with the

information, then they should state so and move on to another site for their

needs. My time is valuable and I will help people who really want to be

helped.  The others just take time away from the ones that are open to at least

try.  I truly hope she absorbed something and gets on the right track. 

Faulting others will never get anyone to the point of taking on the

responsibilty for helping

themselves.  They are sick and it is always somebody else's fault, but not

theirs.  Maybe, she will find her way back to health, maybe not.  But that is

her choice and no one else is to blame if she doesn't. 

 

Take care, and thanks for the support.  BTW to all board members. I am

looking forward to Day# 5 without diarrhea and thank you all for so many good

suggestions. I implemented a lot of them and it seems to be working.  Thank

you group.  You are all wonderful.  Dolores 

From: O' Conchubair <RNMSW@...>

Subject: rheumatic Finally Talked to the Rheumy

rheumatic

Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 6:10 PM

 

Delores, you were engaging in Reality Therapy. Good for you.

Whenever there is a disagreement on this email list, some people go off the

deep end, yet that is often when we learn new information. ly, I grit

my teeth at people who join this list that clearly states it is about

antibiotic therapy and they go on and on taking the toxic drugs. What is

that about!

I have been sick with I have no idea what for the month of June. I am

catching up slowly my 3,000 emails.

I was firm but not unkind. I made an important point. Helping people is a

joint effort and some people need to be jolted. Most people don't. But when

I read in all her e:mails how she bashed her doc & nurse, I saw that she was

projecting the responsiblity of helping herself onto the doctor and the

nurse. She really wasn't asking for help.