Re: Elimination diet success?

[Guest guest]

Yeah!  Fruit and vegetables grow like weeds here.  It is so fertile that

sprays are not used.  And the growers are ourselves and my neighbors.  My

cousin's avocado tree is huge and the avocados are as huge as melons.  They are

wonderful....I can eat them without any problem. She gives them to me by the

balefull.  And even though they are pure fat, I lose weight.  I can't seem to

gain an extra pound any where.  I guess my metabolism is fast.  That was last

yield when I felt good.  We shall see now with the new growth.  It will take a

couple of months for them to mature. Right now it is mango season and we are

getting mangoes left & right.  The problem is I don't like them, but Mike can't

get enough.  Take care!  Dolores 

> >

> >> I am absolutely convinced that diet is a big part of this path.

> >> When I first

> >> saw my AP Dr she gave me a fact sheet about all kinds of food

> >> stuffs, what not

> >> to eat, what I could eat & should be eating. Must admit when I

> >> scanned the

> >> sheet I found it very daunting, especially as I believed I had a

> >> very healthy

> >> diet anyway, however the next day I actually sat down with a 

> cuppa &

> >> read it. I

> >> found there were a lot of 'do not eat' foods that I didn't eat

> >> anyway which cut

> >> out 3/4 of the sheet...lol but then I had to make a decision, do I

> >> do this or

> >> not ?? Then I thought about what I was doing, what decisions I had

> >> already made

> >> & more importanty why I had made those decisions. It was simple

> >> really, I had a

> >> disease & was in excruciating agony when I flared, I found out 

> about

> >> AP & found

> >> a doctor that thought she could help me, but it was pointless going

> >> to see

> >> a doctor unless I was prepared to do what I was told. Initially I

> >> gave up

> >> everything & did exactly what I was told to do then after a while I

> >> started

> >> reintroducing certain foods to see what happened & what I learned 

> was

> >> facinating, ie I see almost immediate reactions to some foods;

> >> particularly milk, if I drink one glass of milk I react within 1/2

> >> hr, if I eat

> >> pork I react within 12 hrs, if I eat any long grained rice I react

> >> within 24

> >> hrs, bananas 3-4 hrs etc. It was & is a very interesting exercise.

> >>

> >> I suggest to anyone who wants to feel a whole lot better than they

> >> do now

> >> that diet is a big part of this journey.

> >>

> >> Maz

> >>

> >> ________________________________

> >> From: Amy <muttville@...>

> >> rheumatic

> >> Sent: Thu, 10 March, 2011 11:01:39 AM

> >> Subject: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

> >>

> >>

> >> Carey,

> >>

> >> I was definitely at the peak of my RA symptoms when I started

> >> watching my diet

> >> in August 2010. I didn't start AP until September and was already

> >> feeling

> >> better. Looking back, I see it as the summer I lost use of my 

> hands.

> >> I look

> >> forward to being able to start my flower and veggie garden this

> >> spring.

> >>

> >> I just completed my Internet Arthritis Registry survey and was

> >> disappointed that

> >> there are ZERO questions about diet.

> >>

> >> But I was able to report the use of minocycline and the improvement

> >> of my

> >> symptoms...to the point where I do not use mobic any more.

> >>

> >> From what I've experienced with alternative medicine, your body

> >> " clears " a food

> >> after you've not eaten it for 10 days. It is then you can eat it 

> and

> >> see if you

> >> have any reaction. It does get complicated sometimes as with some

> >> people it can

> >> take 2 to 3 days for symptoms to show up. For me, I saw 

> inflammation

> >> in my hands

> >> the day after eating wheat, oats, corn, gluten, milk, and pork.

> >>

> >> Amy

> >>

> >>

> >> >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > June,

> >> > >

> >> > > I use the UltraClear just because it is less expensive. The

> >> Ultrainflammex

> >> > > has great supplements in it to address inflammation.

> >> > >

> >> > > the month that I drank UltraClear 3 times a day I combined it

> >> with an

> >> > > elimination diet. Kept a notebook of what I ate and how I felt.

> >> It was easy

> >> > > to identify my reactive foods. So while a doctor suggested 

> it, I

> >> did it on

> >> > > my own. Amy

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi, a reminder.  This thread is way too long and repetetive.  We have to learn

to cut them at a certain point, so they don't look like a running laundry list.

Dolores 

>

>> I am absolutely convinced that diet is a big part of this path.

>> When I first

>> saw my AP Dr she gave me a fact sheet about all kinds of food

>> stuffs, what not

>> to eat, what I could eat & should be eating. Must admit when I

>> scanned the

>> sheet I found it very daunting, especially as I believed I had a

>> very healthy

>> diet anyway, however the next day I actually sat down with a cuppa &

>> read it. I

>> found there were a lot of 'do not eat' foods that I didn't eat

>> anyway which cut

>> out 3/4 of the sheet...lol but then I had to make a decision, do I

>> do this or

>> not ?? Then I thought about what I was doing, what decisions I had

>> already made

>> & more importanty why I had made those decisions. It was simple

>> really, I had a

>> disease & was in excruciating agony when I flared, I found out about

>> AP & found

>> a doctor that thought she could help me, but it was pointless going

>> to see

>> a doctor unless I was prepared to do what I was told. Initially I

>> gave up

>> everything & did exactly what I was told to do then after a while I

>> started

>> reintroducing certain foods to see what happened & what I learned was

>> facinating, ie I see almost immediate reactions to some foods;

>> particularly milk, if I drink one glass of milk I react within 1/2

>> hr, if I eat

>> pork I react within 12 hrs, if I eat any long grained rice I react

>> within 24

>> hrs, bananas 3-4 hrs etc. It was & is a very interesting exercise.

>>

>> I suggest to anyone who wants to feel a whole lot better than they

>> do now

>> that diet is a big part of this journey.

>>

>> Maz

>>

>> ________________________________

>> From: Amy <muttville@...>

>> rheumatic

>> Sent: Thu, 10 March, 2011 11:01:39 AM

>> Subject: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

>>

>>

>> Carey,

>>

>> I was definitely at the peak of my RA symptoms when I started

>> watching my diet

>> in August 2010. I didn't start AP until September and was already

>> feeling

>> better. Looking back, I see it as the summer I lost use of my hands.

>> I look

>> forward to being able to start my flower and veggie garden this

>> spring.

>>

>> I just completed my Internet Arthritis Registry survey and was

>> disappointed that

>> there are ZERO questions about diet.

>>

>> But I was able to report the use of minocycline and the improvement

>> of my

>> symptoms...to the point where I do not use mobic any more.

>>

>> From what I've experienced with alternative medicine, your body

>> " clears " a food

>> after you've not eaten it for 10 days. It is then you can eat it and

>> see if you

>> have any reaction. It does get complicated sometimes as with some

>> people it can

>> take 2 to 3 days for symptoms to show up. For me, I saw inflammation

>> in my hands

>> the day after eating wheat, oats, corn, gluten, milk, and pork.

>>

>> Amy

>>

>>

>> >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > June,

>> > >

>> > > I use the UltraClear just because it is less expensive. The

>> Ultrainflammex

>> > > has great supplements in it to address inflammation.

>> > >

>> > > the month that I drank UltraClear 3 times a day I combined it

>> with an

>> > > elimination diet. Kept a notebook of what I ate and how I felt.

>> It was easy

>> > > to identify my reactive foods. So while a doctor suggested it, I

>> did it on

>> > > my own. Amy

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

mmm, thanks!

On Mar 11, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Marilyn M wrote:

> There is good sulphur & bad sulphur & I didn't react to MSM myself

> so just

> assumed it was the good stuff! It's all a bit of hit & miss,

> everyone is

> different so we have to do it ourselves really.

>

> ________________________________

> From: june avignone <j.avignone@...>

> rheumatic

> Sent: Sat, 12 March, 2011 3:13:25 AM

> Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

>

> I wonder if MSM is good to take due to the sulpher content then?

> On Mar 10, 2011, at 9:57 PM, Marilyn M wrote:

>

> > Forgot to tell you .... the reason organic bananas are ok & others

> > not is the

> > sulphur content of the not ones

> > organic bananas don't have sulphur in them............

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: " mannasal@... " <mannasal@...>

> > rheumatic

> > Sent: Fri, 11 March, 2011 11:53:29 AM

> > Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

> >

> >

> >

> > I got it. thanks. Thats pretty much how I eat (good recommendations)

> > I'm only

> > fixing 2 small meals a day because of my RA, so not getting enough

> > nutrition can

> > be problem. I don't eat fish, red meat, turkey, chicken. I'm not

> > against it,

> > just harder to prepare. I eat organic. I do sprout leafy greens

> > seeds, seeds,

> > nuts, lentils, grains and eat. To my understanding, that changes it

> > into live

> > food and ok to eat?? I can have raw goat kefir delivered to me

> > fresh.....that

> > would be my only diary and I'm (my body) feels the need. For my

> > sweet, I'll have

> > Ricoli natural cough drops like 3-5 aday. sugar is last ingredient.

> > Wonder if I

> > should stop those? Did raw food diet for 4 months, and now eat 80%

> > raw. As it

> > warms up, I'll go more raw.

> > where's the fun??? Sally

> > PS I don't like chocolate either.....except small piece of dark

> > organic cacao

> > chocolate maybe once every 3 months.

> >

> > rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Carey,

> > >>

> > >> I was definitely at the peak of my RA symptoms when I started

> > >> watching my diet

> > >> in August 2010. I didn't start AP until September and was already

> > >> feeling

> > >> better. Looking back, I see it as the summer I lost use of my

> > hands.

> > >> I look

> > >> forward to being able to start my flower and veggie garden this

> > >> spring.

> > >>

> > >> I just completed my Internet Arthritis Registry survey and was

> > >> disappointed that

> > >> there are ZERO questions about diet.

> > >>

> > >> But I was able to report the use of minocycline and the

> improvement

> > >> of my

> > >> symptoms...to the point where I do not use mobic any more.

> > >>

> > >> From what I've experienced with alternative medicine, your body

> > >> " clears " a food

> > >> after you've not eaten it for 10 days. It is then you can eat it

> > and

> > >> see if you

> > >> have any reaction. It does get complicated sometimes as with some

> > >> people it can

> > >> take 2 to 3 days for symptoms to show up. For me, I saw

> > inflammation

> > >> in my hands

> > >> the day after eating wheat, oats, corn, gluten, milk, and pork.

> > >>

> > >> Amy

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> >

> > >> > >

> > >> > >

> > >> > > June,

> > >> > >

> > >> > > I use the UltraClear just because it is less expensive. The

> > >> Ultrainflammex

> > >> > > has great supplements in it to address inflammation.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > the month that I drank UltraClear 3 times a day I combined it

> > >> with an

> > >> > > elimination diet. Kept a notebook of what I ate and how I

> felt.

> > >> It was easy

> > >> > > to identify my reactive foods. So while a doctor suggested

> > it, I

> > >> did it on

> > >> > > my own. Amy

> > >>

> > >>

[Guest guest]

Dolores, as far as I've read about organic vs conventional, IF the fruit or

veg is not treated with anything at all, it's considered organic. Anyone?

I'd like to know for sure.

Judy

In a message dated 3/11/2011 11:43:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

martysfolks2004@... writes:

One quick question on Bananas. Here in PR, they grow on tree in

everybodys back yard including mine. No one sprays anything on them and so

does

that mean they are considered organic. That is all the bananas I eat. We

have those little finger bananas and I eat several a day for the potassium.

I did the same thing when I lived in Hawaii during the 80's. I ate the

bananas off the trees. The same with mangos, papayas, starfruit & avodados.

They grow wild. We have about 30 avocados starting on the tree right now.

The tree was planted a few years ago and this is going to be the first

yield. I will have to check if they are nightshades. Take care, Dolores

> >

> >> I am absolutely convinced that diet is a big part of this path.

> >> When I first

> >> saw my AP Dr she gave me a fact sheet about all kinds of food

> >> stuffs, what not

> >> to eat, what I could eat & should be eating. Must admit when I

> >> scanned the

> >> sheet I found it very daunting, especially as I believed I had a

> >> very healthy

> >> diet anyway, however the next day I actually sat down with a

> cuppa &

> >> read it. I

> >> found there were a lot of 'do not eat' foods that I didn't eat

> >> anyway which cut

> >> out 3/4 of the sheet...lol but then I had to make a decision, do I

> >> do this or

> >> not ?? Then I thought about what I was doing, what decisions I had

> >> already made

> >> & more importanty why I had made those decisions. It was simple

> >> really, I had a

> >> disease & was in excruciating agony when I flared, I found out

> about

> >> AP & found

> >> a doctor that thought she could help me, but it was pointless going

> >> to see

> >> a doctor unless I was prepared to do what I was told. Initially I

> >> gave up

> >> everything & did exactly what I was told to do then after a while I

> >> started

> >> reintroducing certain foods to see what happened & what I learned

> was

> >> facinating, ie I see almost immediate reactions to some foods;

> >> particularly milk, if I drink one glass of milk I react within 1/2

> >> hr, if I eat

> >> pork I react within 12 hrs, if I eat any long grained rice I react

> >> within 24

> >> hrs, bananas 3-4 hrs etc. It was & is a very interesting exercise.

> >>

> >> I suggest to anyone who wants to feel a whole lot better than they

> >> do now

> >> that diet is a big part of this journey.

> >>

> >> Maz

> >>

> >> ________________________________

> >> From: Amy <_muttville@..._ (mailto:muttville@...) >

> >> _rheumatic _ (mailto:rheumatic )

> >> Sent: Thu, 10 March, 2011 11:01:39 AM

> >> Subject: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

> >>

> >>

> >> Carey,

> >>

> >> I was definitely at the peak of my RA symptoms when I started

> >> watching my diet

> >> in August 2010. I didn't start AP until September and was already

> >> feeling

> >> better. Looking back, I see it as the summer I lost use of my

> hands.

> >> I look

> >> forward to being able to start my flower and veggie garden this

> >> spring.

> >>

> >> I just completed my Internet Arthritis Registry survey and was

> >> disappointed that

> >> there are ZERO questions about diet.

> >>

> >> But I was able to report the use of minocycline and the improvement

> >> of my

> >> symptoms...to the point where I do not use mobic any more.

> >>

> >> From what I've experienced with alternative medicine, your body

> >> " clears " a food

> >> after you've not eaten it for 10 days. It is then you can eat it

> and

> >> see if you

> >> have any reaction. It does get complicated sometimes as with some

> >> people it can

> >> take 2 to 3 days for symptoms to show up. For me, I saw

> inflammation

> >> in my hands

> >> the day after eating wheat, oats, corn, gluten, milk, and pork.

> >>

> >> Amy

> >>

> >>

> >> >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > June,

> >> > >

> >> > > I use the UltraClear just because it is less expensive. The

> >> Ultrainflammex

> >> > > has great supplements in it to address inflammation.

> >> > >

> >> > > the month that I drank UltraClear 3 times a day I combined it

> >> with an

> >> > > elimination diet. Kept a notebook of what I ate and how I felt.

> >> It was easy

> >> > > to identify my reactive foods. So while a doctor suggested

> it, I

> >> did it on

> >> > > my own. Amy

> >>

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[Guest guest]

Exactly ... foodstuff grown or raised without synthetic fertilizers, pesticides

or hormones, simple and healthful and close to nature " an organic lifestyle "

even organic fertiliser, a fertiliser derived from animal or vegetable matter.

>

> Dolores, as far as I've read about organic vs conventional, IF the fruit or

> veg is not treated with anything at all, it's considered organic. Anyone?

> I'd like to know for sure.

> Judy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

plus the big bonus: you eat these wonderful foods vine ripened as they drop

from the vines into your hands....doesn't get any better than that! sally

rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

Exactly ... foodstuff grown or raised without synthetic fertilizers, pesticides

or hormones, simple and healthful and close to nature " an organic lifestyle "

even organic fertiliser, a fertiliser derived from animal or vegetable matter.

>

> Dolores, as far as I've read about organic vs conventional, IF the fruit or

> veg is not treated with anything at all, it's considered organic. Anyone?

> I'd like to know for sure.

> Judy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am not surprised about the avocado because it is a very healthy and

bioavailable fat. I think its Omega 9, but I could be wrong.

Kinga

rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

> >>

> >>

> >> Carey,

> >>

> >> I was definitely at the peak of my RA symptoms when I started

> >> watching my diet

> >> in August 2010. I didn't start AP until September and was already

> >> feeling

> >> better. Looking back, I see it as the summer I lost use of my

> hands.

> >> I look

> >> forward to being able to start my flower and veggie garden this

> >> spring.

> >>

> >> I just completed my Internet Arthritis Registry survey and was

> >> disappointed that

> >> there are ZERO questions about diet.

> >>

> >> But I was able to report the use of minocycline and the improvement

> >> of my

> >> symptoms...to the point where I do not use mobic any more.

> >>

> >> From what I've experienced with alternative medicine, your body

> >> " clears " a food

> >> after you've not eaten it for 10 days. It is then you can eat it

> and

> >> see if you

> >> have any reaction. It does get complicated sometimes as with some

> >> people it can

> >> take 2 to 3 days for symptoms to show up. For me, I saw

> inflammation

> >> in my hands

> >> the day after eating wheat, oats, corn, gluten, milk, and pork.

> >>

> >> Amy

> >>

> >>

> >> >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > June,

> >> > >

> >> > > I use the UltraClear just because it is less expensive. The

> >> Ultrainflammex

> >> > > has great supplements in it to address inflammation.

> >> > >

> >> > > the month that I drank UltraClear 3 times a day I combined it

> >> with an

> >> > > elimination diet. Kept a notebook of what I ate and how I felt.

> >> It was easy

> >> > > to identify my reactive foods. So while a doctor suggested

> it, I

> >> did it on

> >> > > my own. Amy

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Wow!  I've been eating organic since I got to PR. and it is free because it

grows in the yard.  IMangoes are in season now, so tonight I ate some for the

first time.  Not too bad.  I think I can get used to it.  Mike cut up a few

pieces and cut up a banana.  That was dessert.  Are Avocados nightshades.  I

love those and they are now starting to sprout on the tree. Lettuce grows here

too.  It is different lettuce, but I like it.  They yank it from the ground

with the dirt attached.  I bring it  in the house, cut off the dirt part and

wash off the leaves.  It is kind of skinny and not as crispy as the Romaine I

used to eat, but makes a good salad or on a tuna or egg salad sandwich  I hope

that is not a night shade.  I like the starfruit too.  They call it

carambola.  We also have a lime and lemon tree that is always full and I make

my own lemonade or limeade.  But I do use Splenda as I am diabetic.  Can't use

sugar and don't think

I can drink lemon or lime juice without a sweetener.  When I lived in NY I

could get stevia, but not here.  I will make use of the organic garden.  Thank

you.  I am also growing my own spices like oregano.  The oregano plant looks

like a small tree. I will miss garlic & white onions.  The white onions here

have a sweet flavor that I like.  Now I am really hungry.  Take care,  

Dolores  

From: mannasal@... <mannasal@...>

Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

rheumatic

Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 8:51 PM

 

plus the big bonus: you eat these wonderful foods vine ripened as they drop from

the vines into your hands....doesn't get any better than that! sally

rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

Exactly ... foodstuff grown or raised without synthetic fertilizers, pesticides

or hormones, simple and healthful and close to nature " an organic lifestyle "

even organic fertiliser, a fertiliser derived from animal or vegetable matter.

>

> Dolores, as far as I've read about organic vs conventional, IF the fruit or

> veg is not treated with anything at all, it's considered organic. Anyone?

> I'd like to know for sure.

> Judy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just thought I woulod let you know I don't like mangoes either but have to eat

them so cuit them open & squeeze fresh lime or lemon on them, & then they are

quite lovely

________________________________

From: mike rosner <martysfolks2004@...>

rheumatic

Sent: Sat, 12 March, 2011 7:59:23 PM

Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

 

Wow!  I've been eating organic since I got to PR. and it is free because it

grows in the yard.  IMangoes are in season now, so tonight I ate some for the

first time.  Not too bad.  I think I can get used to it.  Mike cut up a few

pieces and cut up a banana.  That was dessert.  Are Avocados nightshades.  I

love those and they are now starting to sprout on the tree. Lettuce grows here

too.  It is different lettuce, but I like it.  They yank it from the ground

with

the dirt attached.  I bring it  in the house, cut off the dirt part and wash

off

the leaves.  It is kind of skinny and not as crispy as the Romaine I used to

eat, but makes a good salad or on a tuna or egg salad sandwich  I hope that is

not a night shade.  I like the starfruit too.  They call it carambola.  We

also

have a lime and lemon tree that is always full and I make my own lemonade or

limeade.  But I do use Splenda as I am diabetic.  Can't use sugar and don't

think

I can drink lemon or lime juice without a sweetener.  When I lived in NY I

could

get stevia, but not here.  I will make use of the organic garden.  Thank

you.  I

am also growing my own spices like oregano.  The oregano plant looks like a

small tree. I will miss garlic & white onions.  The white onions here have a

sweet flavor that I like.  Now I am really hungry.  Take care,   Dolores  

From: mannasal@... <mannasal@...>

Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

rheumatic

Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 8:51 PM

 

plus the big bonus: you eat these wonderful foods vine ripened as they drop from

the vines into your hands....doesn't get any better than that! sally

rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

Exactly ... foodstuff grown or raised without synthetic fertilizers, pesticides

or hormones, simple and healthful and close to nature " an organic lifestyle "

even organic fertiliser, a fertiliser derived from animal or vegetable matter.

>

> Dolores, as far as I've read about organic vs conventional, IF the fruit or

> veg is not treated with anything at all, it's considered organic. Anyone?

> I'd like to know for sure.

> Judy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not bad with sweet little apple bananas either.  Just ate 2 hard boiled eggs

with a scoop of tuna and a little mayo.  No bread.  Now I am eating a sugar

free jello. And will wash it down with some herbal tea.  Of course, some

acidophillus first.  wish avocados were in season.  I could eat and entire

one.   How about cantelope?  You never mentioned fruit.  I usually mix

berries, or strawberry with bananas or pears.  I love canned pears.  Apples

and peahes are difficult to get here and expensive.  I buy applesauce in the

jar, but when I go to New York, I love to bite into a nice crispy Fuji apple. 

Take care.  Dolores

From: mannasal@... <mannasal@...>

Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

rheumatic

Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 8:51 PM

 

plus the big bonus: you eat these wonderful foods vine ripened as they drop from

the vines into your hands....doesn't get any better than that! sally

rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

Exactly ... foodstuff grown or raised without synthetic fertilizers, pesticides

or hormones, simple and healthful and close to nature " an organic lifestyle "

even organic fertiliser, a fertiliser derived from animal or vegetable matter.

>

> Dolores, as far as I've read about organic vs conventional, IF the fruit or

> veg is not treated with anything at all, it's considered organic. Anyone?

> I'd like to know for sure.

> Judy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've elimated gluten, dairy and cut way back on sugar (can't do them all at

once) and I am in more pain, plus lots of inflammation than I have in a very

long time.....any ideas why?

If this continues I'm not seeing the benefit of eliminating my favorite foods

.

Sue

---- Marilyn M <maz.aust@...> wrote:

> Over here the sulphur is in the sprays used by normal growers .. off the tree

is

> fine for anything here, so am sure you will be ok.

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: mike rosner <martysfolks2004@...>

> rheumatic

> Sent: Sat, 12 March, 2011 3:43:31 AM

> Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

>

>  

> One quick question on Bananas.  Here in PR, they grow on tree in everybodys

back

> yard including mine.  No one sprays anything on them and so does that mean

they

> are considered organic.  That is all the bananas I eat.  We have those

little

> finger bananas and I eat several a day for the potassium.   I did the same

thing

> when I lived in Hawaii during the 80's.  I ate the bananas off the trees. 

The

> same with mangos, papayas, starfruit  & avodados.  They grow wild.  We have

about

> 30 avocados starting on the tree right now.  The tree was planted a few years

> ago and this is going to be the first yield.  I will have to check if they

are

> nightshades.   Take care, Dolores

>

>

> > >

> > >> I am absolutely convinced that diet is a big part of this path.

> > >> When I first

> > >> saw my AP Dr she gave me a fact sheet about all kinds of food

> > >> stuffs, what not

> > >> to eat, what I could eat & should be eating. Must admit when I

> > >> scanned the

> > >> sheet I found it very daunting, especially as I believed I had a

> > >> very healthy

> > >> diet anyway, however the next day I actually sat down with a 

> > cuppa &

> > >> read it. I

> > >> found there were a lot of 'do not eat' foods that I didn't eat

> > >> anyway which cut

> > >> out 3/4 of the sheet...lol but then I had to make a decision, do I

> > >> do this or

> > >> not ?? Then I thought about what I was doing, what decisions I had

> > >> already made

> > >> & more importanty why I had made those decisions. It was simple

> > >> really, I had a

> > >> disease & was in excruciating agony when I flared, I found out 

> > about

> > >> AP & found

> > >> a doctor that thought she could help me, but it was pointless going

> > >> to see

> > >> a doctor unless I was prepared to do what I was told. Initially I

> > >> gave up

> > >> everything & did exactly what I was told to do then after a while I

> > >> started

> > >> reintroducing certain foods to see what happened & what I learned 

> > was

> > >> facinating, ie I see almost immediate reactions to some foods;

> > >> particularly milk, if I drink one glass of milk I react within 1/2

> > >> hr, if I eat

> > >> pork I react within 12 hrs, if I eat any long grained rice I react

> > >> within 24

> > >> hrs, bananas 3-4 hrs etc. It was & is a very interesting exercise.

> > >>

> > >> I suggest to anyone who wants to feel a whole lot better than they

> > >> do now

> > >> that diet is a big part of this journey.

> > >>

> > >> Maz

> > >>

> > >> ________________________________

> > >> From: Amy <muttville@...>

> > >> rheumatic

> > >> Sent: Thu, 10 March, 2011 11:01:39 AM

> > >> Subject: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Carey,

> > >>

> > >> I was definitely at the peak of my RA symptoms when I started

> > >> watching my diet

> > >> in August 2010. I didn't start AP until September and was already

> > >> feeling

> > >> better. Looking back, I see it as the summer I lost use of my 

> > hands.

> > >> I look

> > >> forward to being able to start my flower and veggie garden this

> > >> spring.

> > >>

> > >> I just completed my Internet Arthritis Registry survey and was

> > >> disappointed that

> > >> there are ZERO questions about diet.

> > >>

> > >> But I was able to report the use of minocycline and the improvement

> > >> of my

> > >> symptoms...to the point where I do not use mobic any more.

> > >>

> > >> From what I've experienced with alternative medicine, your body

> > >> " clears " a food

> > >> after you've not eaten it for 10 days. It is then you can eat it 

> > and

> > >> see if you

> > >> have any reaction. It does get complicated sometimes as with some

> > >> people it can

> > >> take 2 to 3 days for symptoms to show up. For me, I saw 

> > inflammation

> > >> in my hands

> > >> the day after eating wheat, oats, corn, gluten, milk, and pork.

> > >>

> > >> Amy

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> >

> > >> > >

> > >> > >

> > >> > > June,

> > >> > >

> > >> > > I use the UltraClear just because it is less expensive. The

> > >> Ultrainflammex

> > >> > > has great supplements in it to address inflammation.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > the month that I drank UltraClear 3 times a day I combined it

> > >> with an

> > >> > > elimination diet. Kept a notebook of what I ate and how I felt.

> > >> It was easy

> > >> > > to identify my reactive foods. So while a doctor suggested 

> > it, I

> > >> did it on

> > >> > > my own. Amy

> > >>

> > >>

[Guest guest]

How long have you cut these things out for? I felt worse in the beginning

too, but now am noticing positive changes after 3 weeks.

On Mar 21, 2011 6:51 AM, <semrick@...> wrote:

>

> I've elimated gluten, dairy and cut way back on sugar (can't do them all

at once) and I am in more pain, plus lots of inflammation than I have in a

very long time.....any ideas why?

>

> If this continues I'm not seeing the benefit of eliminating my favorite

foods .

>

> Sue

> ---- Marilyn M <maz.aust@...> wrote:

>> Over here the sulphur is in the sprays used by normal growers .. off the

tree is

>> fine for anything here, so am sure you will be ok.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>> From: mike rosner <martysfolks2004@...>

>> rheumatic

>> Sent: Sat, 12 March, 2011 3:43:31 AM

>> Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

>>

>>

>> One quick question on Bananas. Here in PR, they grow on tree in

everybodys back

>> yard including mine. No one sprays anything on them and so does that

mean they

>> are considered organic. That is all the bananas I eat. We have those

little

>> finger bananas and I eat several a day for the potassium. I did the

same thing

>> when I lived in Hawaii during the 80's. I ate the bananas off the

trees. The

>> same with mangos, papayas, starfruit & avodados. They grow wild. We

have about

>> 30 avocados starting on the tree right now. The tree was planted a few

years

>> ago and this is going to be the first yield. I will have to check if

they are

>> nightshades. Take care, Dolores

>>

>>

>> > >

>> > >> I am absolutely convinced that diet is a big part of this path.

>> > >> When I first

>> > >> saw my AP Dr she gave me a fact sheet about all kinds of food

>> > >> stuffs, what not

>> > >> to eat, what I could eat & should be eating. Must admit when I

>> > >> scanned the

>> > >> sheet I found it very daunting, especially as I believed I had a

>> > >> very healthy

>> > >> diet anyway, however the next day I actually sat down with a

>> > cuppa &

>> > >> read it. I

>> > >> found there were a lot of 'do not eat' foods that I didn't eat

>> > >> anyway which cut

>> > >> out 3/4 of the sheet...lol but then I had to make a decision, do I

>> > >> do this or

>> > >> not ?? Then I thought about what I was doing, what decisions I had

>> > >> already made

>> > >> & more importanty why I had made those decisions. It was simple

>> > >> really, I had a

>> > >> disease & was in excruciating agony when I flared, I found out

>> > about

>> > >> AP & found

>> > >> a doctor that thought she could help me, but it was pointless going

>> > >> to see

>> > >> a doctor unless I was prepared to do what I was told. Initially I

>> > >> gave up

>> > >> everything & did exactly what I was told to do then after a while I

>> > >> started

>> > >> reintroducing certain foods to see what happened & what I learned

>> > was

>> > >> facinating, ie I see almost immediate reactions to some foods;

>> > >> particularly milk, if I drink one glass of milk I react within 1/2

>> > >> hr, if I eat

>> > >> pork I react within 12 hrs, if I eat any long grained rice I react

>> > >> within 24

>> > >> hrs, bananas 3-4 hrs etc. It was & is a very interesting exercise.

>> > >>

>> > >> I suggest to anyone who wants to feel a whole lot better than they

>> > >> do now

>> > >> that diet is a big part of this journey.

>> > >>

>> > >> Maz

>> > >>

>> > >> ________________________________

>> > >> From: Amy <muttville@...>

>> > >> rheumatic

>> > >> Sent: Thu, 10 March, 2011 11:01:39 AM

>> > >> Subject: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >> Carey,

>> > >>

>> > >> I was definitely at the peak of my RA symptoms when I started

>> > >> watching my diet

>> > >> in August 2010. I didn't start AP until September and was already

>> > >> feeling

>> > >> better. Looking back, I see it as the summer I lost use of my

>> > hands.

>> > >> I look

>> > >> forward to being able to start my flower and veggie garden this

>> > >> spring.

>> > >>

>> > >> I just completed my Internet Arthritis Registry survey and was

>> > >> disappointed that

>> > >> there are ZERO questions about diet.

>> > >>

>> > >> But I was able to report the use of minocycline and the improvement

>> > >> of my

>> > >> symptoms...to the point where I do not use mobic any more.

>> > >>

>> > >> From what I've experienced with alternative medicine, your body

>> > >> " clears " a food

>> > >> after you've not eaten it for 10 days. It is then you can eat it

>> > and

>> > >> see if you

>> > >> have any reaction. It does get complicated sometimes as with some

>> > >> people it can

>> > >> take 2 to 3 days for symptoms to show up. For me, I saw

>> > inflammation

>> > >> in my hands

>> > >> the day after eating wheat, oats, corn, gluten, milk, and pork.

>> > >>

>> > >> Amy

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >> >

>> > >> > >

>> > >> > >

>> > >> > > June,

>> > >> > >

>> > >> > > I use the UltraClear just because it is less expensive. The

>> > >> Ultrainflammex

>> > >> > > has great supplements in it to address inflammation.

>> > >> > >

>> > >> > > the month that I drank UltraClear 3 times a day I combined it

>> > >> with an

>> > >> > > elimination diet. Kept a notebook of what I ate and how I felt.

>> > >> It was easy

>> > >> > > to identify my reactive foods. So while a doctor suggested

>> > it, I

>> > >> did it on

>> > >> > > my own. Amy

>> > >>

>> > >>

[Guest guest]

In my mind this has to be a Herx reaction. Maybe cut them out one at a time,

for 3 weeks each. Gluten and sugar 1st I would say, and keep your dairy to a

minimum.

At the end of the 9 weeks, if you are feeling better, try adding each one back

in, in a big way to see if you find a difference. Wait at least a few days for

a delayed reaction. I would probably eat the possible offending food in a decent

quantity for one day, then stop again until you see any possible result.

You can also try with nightshades and root vegetables.

Kinga

rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Carey,

> > >>

> > >> I was definitely at the peak of my RA symptoms when I started

> > >> watching my diet

> > >> in August 2010. I didn't start AP until September and was already

> > >> feeling

> > >> better. Looking back, I see it as the summer I lost use of my

> > hands.

> > >> I look

> > >> forward to being able to start my flower and veggie garden this

> > >> spring.

> > >>

> > >> I just completed my Internet Arthritis Registry survey and was

> > >> disappointed that

> > >> there are ZERO questions about diet.

> > >>

> > >> But I was able to report the use of minocycline and the improvement

> > >> of my

> > >> symptoms...to the point where I do not use mobic any more.

> > >>

> > >> From what I've experienced with alternative medicine, your body

> > >> " clears " a food

> > >> after you've not eaten it for 10 days. It is then you can eat it

> > and

> > >> see if you

> > >> have any reaction. It does get complicated sometimes as with some

> > >> people it can

> > >> take 2 to 3 days for symptoms to show up. For me, I saw

> > inflammation

> > >> in my hands

> > >> the day after eating wheat, oats, corn, gluten, milk, and pork.

> > >>

> > >> Amy

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> >

> > >> > >

> > >> > >

> > >> > > June,

> > >> > >

> > >> > > I use the UltraClear just because it is less expensive. The

> > >> Ultrainflammex

> > >> > > has great supplements in it to address inflammation.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > the month that I drank UltraClear 3 times a day I combined it

> > >> with an

> > >> > > elimination diet. Kept a notebook of what I ate and how I felt.

> > >> It was easy

> > >> > > to identify my reactive foods. So while a doctor suggested

> > it, I

> > >> did it on

> > >> > > my own. Amy

> > >>

> > >>

[Guest guest]

Really? Can you have a herx to something you withdrawing from your body....not

adding? Interesting. Well I blew it anyway, I was feeling SO bad I ate a slice

of pizza....oddly enough the next day I felt good....not I'm bad again. Such a

puzzle I just get so tired.

Thanks,

Sue

---- Kinga <barwig@...> wrote:

> In my mind this has to be a Herx reaction. Maybe cut them out one at a time,

for 3 weeks each. Gluten and sugar 1st I would say, and keep your dairy to a

minimum.

> At the end of the 9 weeks, if you are feeling better, try adding each one back

in, in a big way to see if you find a difference. Wait at least a few days for

a delayed reaction. I would probably eat the possible offending food in a decent

quantity for one day, then stop again until you see any possible result.

>

> You can also try with nightshades and root vegetables.

>

> Kinga

>

> rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Carey,

> > > >>

> > > >> I was definitely at the peak of my RA symptoms when I started

> > > >> watching my diet

> > > >> in August 2010. I didn't start AP until September and was already

> > > >> feeling

> > > >> better. Looking back, I see it as the summer I lost use of my

> > > hands.

> > > >> I look

> > > >> forward to being able to start my flower and veggie garden this

> > > >> spring.

> > > >>

> > > >> I just completed my Internet Arthritis Registry survey and was

> > > >> disappointed that

> > > >> there are ZERO questions about diet.

> > > >>

> > > >> But I was able to report the use of minocycline and the improvement

> > > >> of my

> > > >> symptoms...to the point where I do not use mobic any more.

> > > >>

> > > >> From what I've experienced with alternative medicine, your body

> > > >> " clears " a food

> > > >> after you've not eaten it for 10 days. It is then you can eat it

> > > and

> > > >> see if you

> > > >> have any reaction. It does get complicated sometimes as with some

> > > >> people it can

> > > >> take 2 to 3 days for symptoms to show up. For me, I saw

> > > inflammation

> > > >> in my hands

> > > >> the day after eating wheat, oats, corn, gluten, milk, and pork.

> > > >>

> > > >> Amy

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > June,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > I use the UltraClear just because it is less expensive. The

> > > >> Ultrainflammex

> > > >> > > has great supplements in it to address inflammation.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > the month that I drank UltraClear 3 times a day I combined it

> > > >> with an

> > > >> > > elimination diet. Kept a notebook of what I ate and how I felt.

> > > >> It was easy

> > > >> > > to identify my reactive foods. So while a doctor suggested

> > > it, I

> > > >> did it on

> > > >> > > my own. Amy

> > > >>

> > > >>

[Guest guest]

Oh, I'm so intrigued by this, I never thought I'd start to feel worse before

better...anyway I blew it now as I had a slice of pizza

I'll have to start over, maybe with just gluten at first. Is there any reason

we would feel worse before better?

Thanks,

Sue

---- carey largent <careylargent@...> wrote:

> How long have you cut these things out for? I felt worse in the beginning

> too, but now am noticing positive changes after 3 weeks.

> On Mar 21, 2011 6:51 AM, <semrick@...> wrote:

> >

> > I've elimated gluten, dairy and cut way back on sugar (can't do them all

> at once) and I am in more pain, plus lots of inflammation than I have in a

> very long time.....any ideas why?

> >

> > If this continues I'm not seeing the benefit of eliminating my favorite

> foods .

> >

> > Sue

> > ---- Marilyn M <maz.aust@...> wrote:

> >> Over here the sulphur is in the sprays used by normal growers .. off the

> tree is

> >> fine for anything here, so am sure you will be ok.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> ________________________________

> >> From: mike rosner <martysfolks2004@...>

> >> rheumatic

> >> Sent: Sat, 12 March, 2011 3:43:31 AM

> >> Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

> >>

> >>

> >> One quick question on Bananas. Here in PR, they grow on tree in

> everybodys back

> >> yard including mine. No one sprays anything on them and so does that

> mean they

> >> are considered organic. That is all the bananas I eat. We have those

> little

> >> finger bananas and I eat several a day for the potassium. I did the

> same thing

> >> when I lived in Hawaii during the 80's. I ate the bananas off the

> trees. The

> >> same with mangos, papayas, starfruit & avodados. They grow wild. We

> have about

> >> 30 avocados starting on the tree right now. The tree was planted a few

> years

> >> ago and this is going to be the first yield. I will have to check if

> they are

> >> nightshades. Take care, Dolores

> >>

> >>

> >> > >

> >> > >> I am absolutely convinced that diet is a big part of this path.

> >> > >> When I first

> >> > >> saw my AP Dr she gave me a fact sheet about all kinds of food

> >> > >> stuffs, what not

> >> > >> to eat, what I could eat & should be eating. Must admit when I

> >> > >> scanned the

> >> > >> sheet I found it very daunting, especially as I believed I had a

> >> > >> very healthy

> >> > >> diet anyway, however the next day I actually sat down with a

> >> > cuppa &

> >> > >> read it. I

> >> > >> found there were a lot of 'do not eat' foods that I didn't eat

> >> > >> anyway which cut

> >> > >> out 3/4 of the sheet...lol but then I had to make a decision, do I

> >> > >> do this or

> >> > >> not ?? Then I thought about what I was doing, what decisions I had

> >> > >> already made

> >> > >> & more importanty why I had made those decisions. It was simple

> >> > >> really, I had a

> >> > >> disease & was in excruciating agony when I flared, I found out

> >> > about

> >> > >> AP & found

> >> > >> a doctor that thought she could help me, but it was pointless going

> >> > >> to see

> >> > >> a doctor unless I was prepared to do what I was told. Initially I

> >> > >> gave up

> >> > >> everything & did exactly what I was told to do then after a while I

> >> > >> started

> >> > >> reintroducing certain foods to see what happened & what I learned

> >> > was

> >> > >> facinating, ie I see almost immediate reactions to some foods;

> >> > >> particularly milk, if I drink one glass of milk I react within 1/2

> >> > >> hr, if I eat

> >> > >> pork I react within 12 hrs, if I eat any long grained rice I react

> >> > >> within 24

> >> > >> hrs, bananas 3-4 hrs etc. It was & is a very interesting exercise.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> I suggest to anyone who wants to feel a whole lot better than they

> >> > >> do now

> >> > >> that diet is a big part of this journey.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Maz

> >> > >>

> >> > >> ________________________________

> >> > >> From: Amy <muttville@...>

> >> > >> rheumatic

> >> > >> Sent: Thu, 10 March, 2011 11:01:39 AM

> >> > >> Subject: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Carey,

> >> > >>

> >> > >> I was definitely at the peak of my RA symptoms when I started

> >> > >> watching my diet

> >> > >> in August 2010. I didn't start AP until September and was already

> >> > >> feeling

> >> > >> better. Looking back, I see it as the summer I lost use of my

> >> > hands.

> >> > >> I look

> >> > >> forward to being able to start my flower and veggie garden this

> >> > >> spring.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> I just completed my Internet Arthritis Registry survey and was

> >> > >> disappointed that

> >> > >> there are ZERO questions about diet.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> But I was able to report the use of minocycline and the improvement

> >> > >> of my

> >> > >> symptoms...to the point where I do not use mobic any more.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> From what I've experienced with alternative medicine, your body

> >> > >> " clears " a food

> >> > >> after you've not eaten it for 10 days. It is then you can eat it

> >> > and

> >> > >> see if you

> >> > >> have any reaction. It does get complicated sometimes as with some

> >> > >> people it can

> >> > >> take 2 to 3 days for symptoms to show up. For me, I saw

> >> > inflammation

> >> > >> in my hands

> >> > >> the day after eating wheat, oats, corn, gluten, milk, and pork.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Amy

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >> >

> >> > >> > >

> >> > >> > >

> >> > >> > > June,

> >> > >> > >

> >> > >> > > I use the UltraClear just because it is less expensive. The

> >> > >> Ultrainflammex

> >> > >> > > has great supplements in it to address inflammation.

> >> > >> > >

> >> > >> > > the month that I drank UltraClear 3 times a day I combined it

> >> > >> with an

> >> > >> > > elimination diet. Kept a notebook of what I ate and how I felt.

> >> > >> It was easy

> >> > >> > > to identify my reactive foods. So while a doctor suggested

> >> > it, I

> >> > >> did it on

> >> > >> > > my own. Amy

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

I eat really good (for many years now) and much is raw. I find my body does not

desire/crave sweets, junk etc. However, once in awhile I do have pizza (which

is ok with my body). For me, it's when I eat something with sugar (like 1

cookie) and feels stiff(er) and worse the next day. Being sick, or being

well....sugar is poisen and addictive. For me, it's like a drug...takes a few

days to get out of my body and the craving stops. I love cookies and started

getting sugar free cookies....now they seem too sweet. My body does tell me

what it wants (or not want) and it's good healthy stuff. Could I get back into

my old way of eating crappy stuff.....probably. I know there is a balance to

all this eating, but not for me yet. I have added in local made organic raw

yogart, and my body loves it! (probiotics?) Most food I crave and love (good

stuff) tells me my body is needing a particular nutrient in that food. I'm

homebound with RA and have a lovely local healthfood store deliver my food.

Mostly veggies. I do enjoy my food....and would love to have nutrious meals

prepared for me! As I get better, I'll have more energy to prepare things.

When I do have something not good for this body, I enjoy it, then go back to how

I like to eat. None of this is easy. Sally

Re: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

Really? Can you have a herx to something you withdrawing from your body....not

adding? Interesting. Well I blew it anyway, I was feeling SO bad I ate a slice

of pizza....oddly enough the next day I felt good....not I'm bad again. Such a

puzzle I just get so tired.

Thanks,

Sue

---- Kinga <barwig@...> wrote:

> In my mind this has to be a Herx reaction. Maybe cut them out one at a time,

for 3 weeks each. Gluten and sugar 1st I would say, and keep your dairy to a

minimum.

> At the end of the 9 weeks, if you are feeling better, try adding each one back

in, in a big way to see if you find a difference. Wait at least a few days for a

delayed reaction. I would probably eat the possible offending food in a decent

quantity for one day, then stop again until you see any possible result.

>

> You can also try with nightshades and root vegetables.

>

> Kinga

>

> rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Carey,

> > > >>

> > > >> I was definitely at the peak of my RA symptoms when I started

> > > >> watching my diet

> > > >> in August 2010. I didn't start AP until September and was already

> > > >> feeling

> > > >> better. Looking back, I see it as the summer I lost use of my

> > > hands.

> > > >> I look

> > > >> forward to being able to start my flower and veggie garden this

> > > >> spring.

> > > >>

> > > >> I just completed my Internet Arthritis Registry survey and was

> > > >> disappointed that

> > > >> there are ZERO questions about diet.

> > > >>

> > > >> But I was able to report the use of minocycline and the improvement

> > > >> of my

> > > >> symptoms...to the point where I do not use mobic any more.

> > > >>

> > > >> From what I've experienced with alternative medicine, your body

> > > >> " clears " a food

> > > >> after you've not eaten it for 10 days. It is then you can eat it

> > > and

> > > >> see if you

> > > >> have any reaction. It does get complicated sometimes as with some

> > > >> people it can

> > > >> take 2 to 3 days for symptoms to show up. For me, I saw

> > > inflammation

> > > >> in my hands

> > > >> the day after eating wheat, oats, corn, gluten, milk, and pork.

> > > >>

> > > >> Amy

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > June,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > I use the UltraClear just because it is less expensive. The

> > > >> Ultrainflammex

> > > >> > > has great supplements in it to address inflammation.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > the month that I drank UltraClear 3 times a day I combined it

> > > >> with an

> > > >> > > elimination diet. Kept a notebook of what I ate and how I felt.

> > > >> It was easy

> > > >> > > to identify my reactive foods. So while a doctor suggested

> > > it, I

> > > >> did it on

> > > >> > > my own. Amy

> > > >>

> > > >>

[Guest guest]

well, thinking about the " worse before better " Years back, I quit smoking, have

quit drinking coffee.....and yes, I certainly felt worse before better! sally

rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Carey,

> >> > >>

> >> > >> I was definitely at the peak of my RA symptoms when I started

> >> > >> watching my diet

> >> > >> in August 2010. I didn't start AP until September and was already

> >> > >> feeling

> >> > >> better. Looking back, I see it as the summer I lost use of my

> >> > hands.

> >> > >> I look

> >> > >> forward to being able to start my flower and veggie garden this

> >> > >> spring.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> I just completed my Internet Arthritis Registry survey and was

> >> > >> disappointed that

> >> > >> there are ZERO questions about diet.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> But I was able to report the use of minocycline and the improvement

> >> > >> of my

> >> > >> symptoms...to the point where I do not use mobic any more.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> From what I've experienced with alternative medicine, your body

> >> > >> " clears " a food

> >> > >> after you've not eaten it for 10 days. It is then you can eat it

> >> > and

> >> > >> see if you

> >> > >> have any reaction. It does get complicated sometimes as with some

> >> > >> people it can

> >> > >> take 2 to 3 days for symptoms to show up. For me, I saw

> >> > inflammation

> >> > >> in my hands

> >> > >> the day after eating wheat, oats, corn, gluten, milk, and pork.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Amy

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >> >

> >> > >> > >

> >> > >> > >

> >> > >> > > June,

> >> > >> > >

> >> > >> > > I use the UltraClear just because it is less expensive. The

> >> > >> Ultrainflammex

> >> > >> > > has great supplements in it to address inflammation.

> >> > >> > >

> >> > >> > > the month that I drank UltraClear 3 times a day I combined it

> >> > >> with an

> >> > >> > > elimination diet. Kept a notebook of what I ate and how I felt.

> >> > >> It was easy

> >> > >> > > to identify my reactive foods. So while a doctor suggested

> >> > it, I

> >> > >> did it on

> >> > >> > > my own. Amy

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sally. I'm glad your healthfood store will deliver. It's so hard with

this and not being able to get around or have the energy it takes to make a

healthy meal...ugh. I do CRAVE chocolate, I feel like an addict. Not in a

" cute " way that people think, I'm totally serious and have a very hard time not

eating chocolate on good days, bad days forget it as I feel sometimes it's all I

have left to enjoy.

Thanks again,

Sue

---- mannasal@... wrote:

>

> Hi Sue,

> I eat really good (for many years now) and much is raw. I find my body does

not desire/crave sweets, junk etc. However, once in awhile I do have pizza

(which is ok with my body). For me, it's when I eat something with sugar (like

1 cookie) and feels stiff(er) and worse the next day. Being sick, or being

well....sugar is poisen and addictive. For me, it's like a drug...takes a few

days to get out of my body and the craving stops. I love cookies and started

getting sugar free cookies....now they seem too sweet. My body does tell me

what it wants (or not want) and it's good healthy stuff. Could I get back into

my old way of eating crappy stuff.....probably. I know there is a balance to

all this eating, but not for me yet. I have added in local made organic raw

yogart, and my body loves it! (probiotics?) Most food I crave and love (good

stuff) tells me my body is needing a particular nutrient in that food. I'm

homebound with RA and have a lovely local healthfood store deliver my food.

Mostly veggies. I do enjoy my food....and would love to have nutrious meals

prepared for me! As I get better, I'll have more energy to prepare things.

> When I do have something not good for this body, I enjoy it, then go back to

how I like to eat. None of this is easy. Sally

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

>

>

>

>

>

> Really? Can you have a herx to something you withdrawing from your body....not

adding? Interesting. Well I blew it anyway, I was feeling SO bad I ate a slice

of pizza....oddly enough the next day I felt good....not I'm bad again. Such a

puzzle I just get so tired.

>

> Thanks,

> Sue

> ---- Kinga <barwig@...> wrote:

> > In my mind this has to be a Herx reaction. Maybe cut them out one at a time,

for 3 weeks each. Gluten and sugar 1st I would say, and keep your dairy to a

minimum.

> > At the end of the 9 weeks, if you are feeling better, try adding each one

back in, in a big way to see if you find a difference. Wait at least a few days

for a delayed reaction. I would probably eat the possible offending food in a

decent quantity for one day, then stop again until you see any possible result.

> >

> > You can also try with nightshades and root vegetables.

> >

> > Kinga

> >

> > rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Carey,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> I was definitely at the peak of my RA symptoms when I started

> > > > >> watching my diet

> > > > >> in August 2010. I didn't start AP until September and was already

> > > > >> feeling

> > > > >> better. Looking back, I see it as the summer I lost use of my

> > > > hands.

> > > > >> I look

> > > > >> forward to being able to start my flower and veggie garden this

> > > > >> spring.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> I just completed my Internet Arthritis Registry survey and was

> > > > >> disappointed that

> > > > >> there are ZERO questions about diet.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> But I was able to report the use of minocycline and the improvement

> > > > >> of my

> > > > >> symptoms...to the point where I do not use mobic any more.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> From what I've experienced with alternative medicine, your body

> > > > >> " clears " a food

> > > > >> after you've not eaten it for 10 days. It is then you can eat it

> > > > and

> > > > >> see if you

> > > > >> have any reaction. It does get complicated sometimes as with some

> > > > >> people it can

> > > > >> take 2 to 3 days for symptoms to show up. For me, I saw

> > > > inflammation

> > > > >> in my hands

> > > > >> the day after eating wheat, oats, corn, gluten, milk, and pork.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Amy

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > June,

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > I use the UltraClear just because it is less expensive. The

> > > > >> Ultrainflammex

> > > > >> > > has great supplements in it to address inflammation.

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > the month that I drank UltraClear 3 times a day I combined it

> > > > >> with an

> > > > >> > > elimination diet. Kept a notebook of what I ate and how I felt.

> > > > >> It was easy

> > > > >> > > to identify my reactive foods. So while a doctor suggested

> > > > it, I

> > > > >> did it on

> > > > >> > > my own. Amy

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

[Guest guest]

I believe that when you cut out foods that feed the bad bacteria and

yeast in your gut you will have die off since they are dying off and

shedding toxins as they do. This link explains this further:

http://vimeo.com/10507542

This is another explanation:

http://www.frot.co.nz/dietnet/reviews/mcferran07_elimination.htm

By Friday evening (day 1) you should start feeling your first

'withdrawal' symptoms. You won't be getting the temporary lift provided

by your allergenic food(s). Withdrawal symptoms can take many forms. The

most obvious is an increase in joint swelling and pain. Headache, muscle

aches, fatigue and other flu-like symptoms are very common. Strong

hunger pangs and cravings are usually present. It's not unusual to still

feel hungry shortly after a meal.

Withdrawal symptoms will worsen on Saturday and Sunday (days 2 and 3).

The intensity of these symptoms should not be underestimated. In fact

many will feel completely crippled during these days. Withdrawal

symptoms can be somewhat ameliorated by taking one tablet of

alka-seltzer (in the gold box) in a large glass of water. This can be

repeated every 4 hours if needed. You should try to drink plenty of

water. It will help speed elimination and the 'clearing' of symptoms.

By Monday (day 4) some will feel significantly better as their

withdrawal symptoms begin to clear. This 'clearing' will continue on

Tuesday and Wednesday (days 5 and 6). While younger people tend to clear

their symptoms earlier, 85% of all arthritics will clear a large part of

their arthritis symptoms by day 6. After clearing most report that they

feel better than they have in years.

Oh, I'm so intrigued by this, I never thought I'd start to feel worse

before better...anyway I blew it now as I had a slice of pizza

I'll have to start over, maybe with just gluten at first. Is there any

reason we would feel worse before better?

Thanks,

Sue

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

I am no doctor & certainly not an expert however do have yet another theory to

add to the mix & that is because you have cut out the gluten & dairy the abx is

now able to reach it's target so perhaps what you are experiencing is not only

withdrawal from these food groups but also a severe herx ??

Maybe someone else will jump in here & give their 2 cents worth as well?

Maz

[Guest guest]

It's not so much the withdrawal symptoms of giving up the gluten, dairy & sugars

it's the herxing because the antibiotics can finally reach their target now that

you have stopped eating that stuff; & your are suffering from withdrawal as

well!

Of course you would feel better after eating the pizza, you were really craving

the gluten & you gave your body what it wanted....lol

Think about it, if big coffee drinkers just stop drinking coffee they feel like

crap with caffine withdrawal. It's the same thing but with different food

groups.

Maz

>

>

> Really? Can you have a herx to something you withdrawing from your

body....not adding? Interesting. Well I blew it anyway, I was feeling SO bad I

ate a slice of pizza....oddly enough the next day I felt good....not I'm bad

again. Such a puzzle I just get so tired.

>

[Guest guest]

and I might add (to reinforce what you are saying Maz): that when that coffee

drinker stops, he feels like crap....so he has a small cup of coffee, and guess

what......he feels better !! (but not really). After many months of no dairy,

I'm liking having yogart now. After thinking that dairy could feed these

organisms/or slow down AP......I'm going to stop the yogart. I could really see

how beneficial it would be to keep a food diary, and daily diary in general, but

I'm sure I'm not the only one............but I roll my eyes to doing " just one

more thing " . sally

rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

It's not so much the withdrawal symptoms of giving up the gluten, dairy & sugars

it's the herxing because the antibiotics can finally reach their target now that

you have stopped eating that stuff; & your are suffering from withdrawal as

well!

Of course you would feel better after eating the pizza, you were really craving

the gluten & you gave your body what it wanted....lol

Think about it, if big coffee drinkers just stop drinking coffee they feel like

crap with caffine withdrawal. It's the same thing but with different food

groups.

Maz

>

>

> Really? Can you have a herx to something you withdrawing from your body....not

adding? Interesting. Well I blew it anyway, I was feeling SO bad I ate a slice

of pizza....oddly enough the next day I felt good....not I'm bad again. Such a

puzzle I just get so tired.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your input Sally. I know how hard it can be in the beginning, I have

been there done that, & yes for about 7mths I did keep a food diary, but must

admit it became a pain in the a..se so I stopped it. I discovered quite quickly

that if I did get a reaction it was always within about 6 hrs of whatever

food/drinks caused it & I can always remember what I ate or drank, although it

took me a while to realise that not all cafes, juice bars & coffee shops tell

the truth about their products; ie juice bars over here generally don't actually

use fresh fruit or vegetables, they buy it in & yes there is preservatives in it

& loads of sugar etc.

When it was tough going the only thing I always remembered was my AP Dr saying

'the bugs actually feed off this stuff so do yourself a favour & don't eat it'

the result of that simple statement was that I was always mindful they needed

starved not fed!

Maz

[Guest guest]

I've heard it called a " healing crisis. " Have been through many of them. It

seems a cruel thing when you are taking steps to improve your health, that you

feel so bad.

Here's a link to some info on it and a short excerpt:

" The more toxic one's bodily systems are, the more severe the detoxification, or

healing crisis. It is characterized by a temporary increase in symptoms during

the cleansing or detox process which may be mild or severe. You may feel worse

and therefore conclude that the treatment is not working. But these reactions

are instead signs that the treatment is working and that your body is going

through the process of cleaning itself of impurities, toxins and imbalances. "

http://falconblanco.com/health/crisis.htm

The Healing Crisis

AKA: The Cleansing Reaction, The Detox Reaction, and The Herxheimer Reaction

Hang in there. There is light at the end of the tunnel. Amy

> >

> > I've elimated gluten, dairy and cut way back on sugar (can't do them all

> at once) and I am in more pain, plus lots of inflammation than I have in a

> very long time.....any ideas why?

> >

> > If this continues I'm not seeing the benefit of eliminating my favorite

> foods .

> >

> > Sue

[Guest guest]

Hi June,

Just checking in to see how you are ???

Maz

 

________________________________

From: june avignone <j.avignone@...>

rheumatic

Sent: Sat, 12 March, 2011 3:13:25 AM

Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

I wonder if MSM is good to take due to the sulpher content then?

On Mar 10, 2011, at 9:57 PM, Marilyn M wrote:

> Forgot to tell you .... the reason organic bananas are ok & others 

> not is the

> sulphur content of the not ones

> organic bananas don't have sulphur in them............

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " mannasal@... " <mannasal@...>

> rheumatic

> Sent: Fri, 11 March, 2011 11:53:29 AM

> Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

>

>

>

> I got it. thanks. Thats pretty much how I eat (good recommendations) 

> I'm only

> fixing 2 small meals a day because of my RA, so not getting enough 

> nutrition can

> be problem. I don't eat fish, red meat, turkey, chicken. I'm not 

> against it,

> just harder to prepare. I eat organic. I do sprout leafy greens 

> seeds, seeds,

> nuts, lentils, grains and eat. To my understanding, that changes it 

> into live

> food and ok to eat?? I can have raw goat kefir delivered to me 

> fresh.....that

> would be my only diary and I'm (my body) feels the need. For my 

> sweet, I'll have

> Ricoli natural cough drops like 3-5 aday. sugar is last ingredient. 

> Wonder if I

> should stop those? Did raw food diet for 4 months, and now eat 80% 

> raw. As it

> warms up, I'll go more raw.

> where's the fun??? Sally

> PS I don't like chocolate either.....except small piece of dark 

> organic cacao

> chocolate maybe once every 3 months.

>

> rheumatic Re: Elimination diet success?

> >>

> >>

> >> Carey,

> >>

> >> I was definitely at the peak of my RA symptoms when I started

> >> watching my diet

> >> in August 2010. I didn't start AP until September and was already

> >> feeling

> >> better. Looking back, I see it as the summer I lost use of my 

> hands.

> >> I look

> >> forward to being able to start my flower and veggie garden this

> >> spring.

> >>

> >> I just completed my Internet Arthritis Registry survey and was

> >> disappointed that

> >> there are ZERO questions about diet.

> >>

> >> But I was able to report the use of minocycline and the improvement

> >> of my

> >> symptoms...to the point where I do not use mobic any more.

> >>

> >> From what I've experienced with alternative medicine, your body

> >> " clears " a food

> >> after you've not eaten it for 10 days. It is then you can eat it 

> and

> >> see if you

> >> have any reaction. It does get complicated sometimes as with some

> >> people it can

> >> take 2 to 3 days for symptoms to show up. For me, I saw 

> inflammation

> >> in my hands

> >> the day after eating wheat, oats, corn, gluten, milk, and pork.

> >>

> >> Amy

> >>

> >>

> >> >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > June,

> >> > >

> >> > > I use the UltraClear just because it is less expensive. The

> >> Ultrainflammex

> >> > > has great supplements in it to address inflammation.

> >> > >

> >> > > the month that I drank UltraClear 3 times a day I combined it

> >> with an

> >> > > elimination diet. Kept a notebook of what I ate and how I felt.

> >> It was easy

> >> > > to identify my reactive foods. So while a doctor suggested 

> it, I

> >> did it on

> >> > > my own. Amy

> >>

> >>