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Hi Paige,

I had a similar experience. I never felt any worse after I started. I

started out at the same dosage. After feeling like I wasn't getting any

results, I added 100mg MWF. After taking 200mg MWF I still didn't notice

that I was feeling any worse. My labs got worse but then got MUCH better.

I'm approaching the 3 year mark and I feel great. Don't lose heart. Just

because you don't feel like heck doesn't mean that it's not working. If

I've learned nothing else along the way I have learned that everyone's

response to this therapy is different.

Regards,

Dee

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> Hi,

>

> Here's my question:

> I've been on 100mg/MWF minocin for 3 weeks.

>

> No Herx - maybe a little exacerbation of symptoms, but nothing out of the

> ordinary. I mean, the increase in pain/stiffness was no different than a

> regular flare-up, it could be coincidence that it happened about a week

into

> my AP. No fever or any other severe reactions that I've read about. Part

> of me is relieved that I didn't get ill, another part of me is a little

> discouraged, thinking no herx means its not working. True or false?

>

> Since I had no reaction (or did I?), should I increase my dosage? My own

> doctor's AP calls for 100mg/daily. I've been following Brown's protocol,

> and other AP docs on the web seem to be in agreement that more is not

> necessarily better. So, I'm consulting the experts... YOU! Thoughts?

> Personal experiences?

>

> TIA,

> Paige

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Hi Paige,

I would think the less you can do the better. A lot depends on how

active and aggressive your disease is. Mine was and I needed to do

every day as I also was on toxic meds I needed to wean. I know a few

have done M-F with weekends off. That sounds doable as well.

You can also try the 2x aday MWF. Lots of options. I know I go with

what feels good for me.

As far as the hrx, some have really bad ones and some do not.

It still may come as you increase the dose if thats the route you

choose.

Several options for you to choose. Whatever you choose, I would

journal the response as this will help you give good info to your doc.

Love

Marge

> Hi,

>

> Here's my question:

> I've been on 100mg/MWF minocin for 3 weeks.

>

> No Herx - maybe a little exacerbation of symptoms, but nothing out

of the

> ordinary. I mean, the increase in pain/stiffness was no different

than a

> regular flare-up, it could be coincidence that it happened about a

week into

> my AP. No fever or any other severe reactions that I've read

about. Part

> of me is relieved that I didn't get ill, another part of me is a

little

> discouraged, thinking no herx means its not working. True or false?

>

> Since I had no reaction (or did I?), should I increase my dosage?

My own

> doctor's AP calls for 100mg/daily. I've been following Brown's

protocol,

> and other AP docs on the web seem to be in agreement that more is

not

> necessarily better. So, I'm consulting the experts... YOU!

Thoughts?

> Personal experiences?

>

> TIA,

> Paige

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I didn't have to go off my antibiotics to have a blood test for micoplasmas.

That doesn't make sense to me. Micoplasmas take a long time to die off.

Antibiotics don't kill them, they just weaken them. A good strong working

immune system kills them. After being on A/P 20 months I had another micoplasma

test and I still have micoplasma pneumoniae, but at a lower level. I don't ever

expect to be completely free of micoplasmas, but I will keep on taking my

antibiotic because I don't want to give the micoplasmas a chance to strengthen

or multipy. Most people in this world carry micoplasmas in their body. It is

when the body is so overloaded with them and an emotional, or psychological, or

physical trauma triggers, the immune system and weakens it, so it can not

handle the overloadload and it loses it's ability to keep us safe. That's when

we get sick. I wonder just how much your doctor has read about micoplasmas and

antibiotics. One does not necessarily cancel out the

other. Take your antibiotics and continue to strengthen your immune system and

eventually your symptoms will decrease and when your disease goes into a phase

where it is no longer advancing and your normal life returns, then you are in

remission. But not cured. For that there are other protocols. It sounds to me

like your doc wants to show you that Antibiotics are not doing anything for you

so he/she can talk you into discontinuing them. How long have you been on

antibiotics? I'm in my 20th month and in remission because I never took any

immune suppressant medications. They work against your immune system by

shutting down their response and the disease continues. My immune system has

even started to repair some of my affected organs and my disease is regressing.

Hang in there. You can not rush this. It is a lifetime committment to get

healthy and remain healthy. You may be on antibiotics from time to time for the

rest of your life. Go ahead and have your test.

Keep the results as a base line, then next year have them checked again for

comparison. Dolores Rosner.

" rbarna dejazzd.com " <rbarna@...> wrote: Can anyone tell me how

long you can stay off the antibiotics before you have a micoplasma test ...

and...how long is it " safe " to stay off the antibiotics before the SD flairs up

again? My doctor has had me stop the antibiotics for a bit due to some

intestenial issues that need to be checked out.

Thanks for helping me with this.

Roni

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I went to Dr Franco who is supposed to be a very antibiotic pro doctor and

he had me go off of the antibiotics for a while to take the microplasma

test! I can't remember how long as it was a long time ago. So at doesn't

mean that the dr is anti antibiotics!!

Cari

, mike rosner <martysfolks2004@...> wrote:

>

> . I wonder just how much your doctor has read about micoplasmas and

> antibiotics........

>

>

It sounds to me like your doc wants to show you that Antibiotics are not

> doing anything for you so he/she can talk you into discontinuing them. How

> long have you been on antibiotics?

>

>

Dolores Rosner.

>

> " rbarna dejazzd.com " <rbarna@... <rbarna%40dejazzd.com>> wrote:

> Can anyone tell me how long you can stay off the antibiotics before you have

> a micoplasma test ...

>

> and...how long is it " safe " to stay off the antibiotics before the SD

> flairs up again? My doctor has had me stop the antibiotics for a bit due to

> some intestenial issues that need to be checked out.

> Thanks for helping me with this.

> Roni

>

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Here is a letter from Dr. Franco re this issue. You will find it at the end

of the FAQ on www.rheumatic.org

* IMPORTANT MESSAGE from A. Franco, MD, Arthritis Center of

Riverside, Riverside, California.

Dear Patients,

I often find that patients that come to see me for diagnosis and treatment

for rheumatic diseases have already started on antibiotic treatment.

Although this may be helpful to the patient, it would be best when

applicable to have the appropriate work-up PRIOR to starting antibiotic

treatment. I am referring especially to the mycoplasma and Chlamydia PCR

test (generic fingerprint).

Antibiotics may render this test negative and thereby often making useless

this great diagnostic tool, especially in view of the fact that patients

will be obligated to use antibiotics for several years exposing themselves

to some potential toxic side effects. If you have already started

antibiotics, you should continue and consider going off for 4 weeks prior to

your visit to the Arthritis Center of Riverside, or your physician's office

where these tests may be done.

If it is possible to do the above, you will increase your chances of

confirming the infectious cause of your rheumatic disease. Even more so by

doing the test prior to initiating antibiotic treatment. Additionally, your

insurance company will be more likely to authorize and pay for IV treatment

if you have a positive mycoplasma PCR test.

I hope this information proves useful to you.

Sincerely, A. Franco, MD

Re: rheumatic AP question

>I went to Dr Franco who is supposed to be a very antibiotic pro doctor and

> he had me go off of the antibiotics for a while to take the microplasma

> test! I can't remember how long as it was a long time ago. So at doesn't

> mean that the dr is anti antibiotics!!

> Cari

>

>

> , mike rosner <martysfolks2004@...> wrote:

>>

>> . I wonder just how much your doctor has read about micoplasmas and

>> antibiotics........

>>

>>

>

>

> It sounds to me like your doc wants to show you that Antibiotics are not

>> doing anything for you so he/she can talk you into discontinuing them.

>> How

>> long have you been on antibiotics?

>>

>>

>

>

> Dolores Rosner.

>>

>> " rbarna dejazzd.com " <rbarna@... <rbarna%40dejazzd.com>> wrote:

>> Can anyone tell me how long you can stay off the antibiotics before you

>> have

>> a micoplasma test ...

>>

>> and...how long is it " safe " to stay off the antibiotics before the SD

>> flairs up again? My doctor has had me stop the antibiotics for a bit due

>> to

>> some intestenial issues that need to be checked out.

>> Thanks for helping me with this.

>> Roni

>>

>

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Thanks Ethel,

That answered my question. I plan on printing that out and taking it to my

doctor, also to Dr. Whitman when I have the appointment with him.

Re: rheumatic AP question

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> >I went to Dr Franco who is supposed to be a very antibiotic pro doctor and

>

> > he had me go off of the antibiotics for a while to take the microplasma

>

> > test! I can't remember how long as it was a long time ago. So at doesn't

>

> > mean that the dr is anti antibiotics!!

>

> > Cari

>

> >

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> >

>

> > , mike rosner <martysfolks2004@...> wrote:

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> >>

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> >> . I wonder just how much your doctor has read about micoplasmas and

>

> >> antibiotics........

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> > It sounds to me like your doc wants to show you that Antibiotics are not

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> >> doing anything for you so he/she can talk you into discontinuing them.

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> >> long have you been on antibiotics?

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> > Dolores Rosner.

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> >> " rbarna dejazzd.com " <rbarna@... <rbarna%40dejazzd.com>> wrote:

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> >> Can anyone tell me how long you can stay off the antibiotics before you

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> >> a micoplasma test ...

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> >> and...how long is it " safe " to stay off the antibiotics before the SD

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> >> flairs up again? My doctor has had me stop the antibiotics for a bit due

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> >> to

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> >> some intestenial issues that need to be checked out.

>

> >> Thanks for helping me with this.

>

> >> Roni

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Dr. Franco usually has you do that the first time you go see him - he wants

you off the AP for 6 weeks prior to your first visit and first blood tests.

he has never asked me to quit taking them since.

>From: " Cari D " <carilynd@...>

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>Subject: Re: rheumatic AP question

>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:42:10 -0700

>

>I went to Dr Franco who is supposed to be a very antibiotic pro doctor and

>he had me go off of the antibiotics for a while to take the microplasma

>test! I can't remember how long as it was a long time ago. So at doesn't

>mean that the dr is anti antibiotics!!

>Cari

>

>

>, mike rosner <martysfolks2004@...> wrote:

> >

> > . I wonder just how much your doctor has read about micoplasmas and

> > antibiotics........

> >

> >

>

>

> It sounds to me like your doc wants to show you that Antibiotics are

>not

> > doing anything for you so he/she can talk you into discontinuing them.

>How

> > long have you been on antibiotics?

> >

> >

>

>

> Dolores Rosner.

> >

> > " rbarna dejazzd.com " <rbarna@... <rbarna%40dejazzd.com>> wrote:

> > Can anyone tell me how long you can stay off the antibiotics before you

>have

> > a micoplasma test ...

> >

> > and...how long is it " safe " to stay off the antibiotics before the SD

> > flairs up again? My doctor has had me stop the antibiotics for a bit due

>to

> > some intestenial issues that need to be checked out.

> > Thanks for helping me with this.

> > Roni

> >

>

>

>

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Thank you Ethel for clearing that up for us right from the words of Dr.Franco.

I will save it in my files. Dolores

Ethel Snooks <emsnooks@...> wrote: Here is a letter from Dr.

Franco re this issue. You will find it at the end

of the FAQ on www.rheumatic.org

* IMPORTANT MESSAGE from A. Franco, MD, Arthritis Center of

Riverside, Riverside, California.

Dear Patients,

I often find that patients that come to see me for diagnosis and treatment

for rheumatic diseases have already started on antibiotic treatment.

Although this may be helpful to the patient, it would be best when

applicable to have the appropriate work-up PRIOR to starting antibiotic

treatment. I am referring especially to the mycoplasma and Chlamydia PCR

test (generic fingerprint).

Antibiotics may render this test negative and thereby often making useless

this great diagnostic tool, especially in view of the fact that patients

will be obligated to use antibiotics for several years exposing themselves

to some potential toxic side effects. If you have already started

antibiotics, you should continue and consider going off for 4 weeks prior to

your visit to the Arthritis Center of Riverside, or your physician's office

where these tests may be done.

If it is possible to do the above, you will increase your chances of

confirming the infectious cause of your rheumatic disease. Even more so by

doing the test prior to initiating antibiotic treatment. Additionally, your

insurance company will be more likely to authorize and pay for IV treatment

if you have a positive mycoplasma PCR test.

I hope this information proves useful to you.

Sincerely, A. Franco, MD

Re: rheumatic AP question

>I went to Dr Franco who is supposed to be a very antibiotic pro doctor and

> he had me go off of the antibiotics for a while to take the microplasma

> test! I can't remember how long as it was a long time ago. So at doesn't

> mean that the dr is anti antibiotics!!

> Cari

>

>

> , mike rosner <martysfolks2004@...> wrote:

>>

>> . I wonder just how much your doctor has read about micoplasmas and

>> antibiotics........

>>

>>

>

>

> It sounds to me like your doc wants to show you that Antibiotics are not

>> doing anything for you so he/she can talk you into discontinuing them.

>> How

>> long have you been on antibiotics?

>>

>>

>

>

> Dolores Rosner.

>>

>> " rbarna dejazzd.com " <rbarna@... <rbarna%40dejazzd.com>> wrote:

>> Can anyone tell me how long you can stay off the antibiotics before you

>> have

>> a micoplasma test ...

>>

>> and...how long is it " safe " to stay off the antibiotics before the SD

>> flairs up again? My doctor has had me stop the antibiotics for a bit due

>> to

>> some intestenial issues that need to be checked out.

>> Thanks for helping me with this.

>> Roni

>>

>

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I have been on 100 mg minocylcine since september. My symptoms seem to be pretty

much in control. How long would I need to stay on 100 mg once daily ? when

should I think about cutting down? I have a DR apt weds, with a DR whos not

familiar with AP but willing to write the scripts. Kathy

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Hi Answer to A/P question is to keep on taking the Minocin. I was on Minocin

100mg twice a day for 2 years and am now on M/P. If you stop now, you give the

micoplasmas a chance to regenerate, causing you to get worse. It is harder the

second time around with Minocin to get a handle on it. If you are doing well,

why stop. Those micos are not dead yet. This is a long term disease and needs

long term therapy. Good luck to you and take that next pill, please. Dolores &

Mike

Kathy <sunbriar@...> wrote: I have been on 100 mg minocylcine since

september. My symptoms seem to be pretty much in control. How long would I need

to stay on 100 mg once daily ? when should I think about cutting down? I have a

DR apt weds, with a DR whos not familiar with AP but willing to write the

scripts. Kathy

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Hi Kathy, Lucky you to have a doc who will write the scripts for minocin. Now

educate him slowly. Stay on the Minocin. I've been on it since 2005 and plan

to stay on it for years to come. I feel perfectly healthy, but I will never go

back to where I was on my deathbed in 2005. You can cut back a bit, but do not

go off. Good luck Dolores

bonlucas <bonlucas@...> wrote: Hi Kathy. I see things a little

differently. My goal is to stay as

healthy as I can while taking the least amount of medication. If you

have been well controlled for 8 months with daily dosing, and you have

early, mild disease -- perhaps you will do well with pulse dosing, and

can reduce your dosage from 7 days/week to 3 days/week. I would try

going 6 days a week for a few months and see how you feel. If you

continue to do well, cut back to 5 days for another few months, and so

on.

There is less chance of side effects (induced lupus, skin

pigmentation, etc.) on the lower dose of minocin. If you don't need it

to control the disease I would cut back. I would not, however, stop

it. I plan to stay on a very low dose forever. I am personally

terrified of RA coming back with a vengence, and the minocin not

working later. This may be a completely irrational fear, but I have it.

Bonnie Lou

>

> I have been on 100 mg minocylcine since september. My symptoms seem

to be pretty much in control. How long would I need to stay on 100 mg

once daily ? when should I think about cutting down? I have a DR

apt weds, with a DR whos not familiar with AP but willing to write the

scripts. Kathy

>

>

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