Hair loss - Adrenal or Thyroid?

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

I have been having mild hairloss for the last couple of months.

However over the last couple of weeks it has gotten very bad. It is

diffuse/all over head, hairloss.

I am on 45mg of HC and 4 grains of armour. I increased from 3.75 grains

to 4 grains of armour about 3 weeks ago. So that is why i feel it may

be adrenal. I dont have any hypo symptoms, nor too many other adrenal

symptoms.

Has anyone else had hairloss from poor adrenals? I am thinking of

maybe reducing my armour dose to 3.25 grains to see if that helps?? Is

hairloss usually adrenal or thyroid related??

Thanks for your thoughts,

D

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your thoughts,

I do have a stressfull job - early mornings and missing sleep etc, I

also exercise a lot, and drink too much. (not ideal i know) This may be

why i need so much HC. My B12 was ok, but i still supplement some. I

also do the reccomended adrenal supports.

Most people blame thyroid for hair loss but for me i suspect it may be

more adrenal related too.

I dont know if my testesterone is low but my libido etc is much

reduced from before i started on armour hc etc.

Thanks for help..

[Guest guest]

I think my hair loss is more adrenal related too, especially since I have

the loss all over with very little body hair left. That is more adrenal

related from what I have researched. Amino acids and cholesterol are also

required for hair growth which I know is part of my problem.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

?

Thanks for your thoughts,

I do have a stressfull job - early mornings and missing sleep etc, I

also exercise a lot, and drink too much. (not ideal i know) This may be

why i need so much HC. My B12 was ok, but i still supplement some. I

also do the reccomended adrenal supports.

Most people blame thyroid for hair loss but for me i suspect it may be

more adrenal related too.

I dont know if my testesterone is low but my libido etc is much

reduced from before i started on armour hc etc.

Thanks for help..

.

[Guest guest]

Cheri-

Stopping my long term hair loss was like stopping a train on fire.

Once I got it stopped there was a lot of healing I needed to do for my

hair alone. One part of my protocol that was really for my adrenals

has done mega good things for my follicles. And this is liquid

aminos. The powered ones were not nearly as effective as the Twin Lab

liquid version. Rind says to sip on a mixture of aminos and water

throughout the day. I add a little Celtic to mine and some green tea

extract. Twice a day I make a mix. Wow as for the hair growth and

health.

Being a long term vegetarian years ago did nothing for my hair

health. Now I go for the fats, incl animal fats. And I make sure I

keep my HC up to where it needs to be.

-AG

Begin forwarded message:

>

> I think my hair loss is more adrenal related too, especially since I

> have

> the loss all over with very little body hair left. That is more

> adrenal

> related from what I have researched. Amino acids and cholesterol are

> also

> required for hair growth which I know is part of my problem.

>

> Cheri

> -----Original M

[Guest guest]

Do you have a link the aminos you take? I have tried different ones, both

powdered and liquid but haven't had much success so I definitely am looking

for a new one to try.

I also am going to up my quinoa intake since it has something like 19 or the

amino acids.

Cheri

-----Original Message-----

Cheri-

Stopping my long term hair loss was like stopping a train on fire.

Once I got it stopped there was a lot of healing I needed to do for my

hair alone. One part of my protocol that was really for my adrenals

has done mega good things for my follicles. And this is liquid

aminos. The powered ones were not nearly as effective as the Twin Lab

liquid version. Rind says to sip on a mixture of aminos and water

throughout the day. I add a little Celtic to mine and some green tea

extract. Twice a day I make a mix. Wow as for the hair growth and

health.

Being a long term vegetarian years ago did nothing for my hair

health. Now I go for the fats, incl animal fats. And I make sure I

keep my HC up to where it needs to be.

-AG

.

[Guest guest]

>>And this is liquid

aminos. The powered ones were not nearly as effective as the Twin Lab

liquid version.-AG>>

Dear AG,

Do you know what the aminos are derived from? is it soy?

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

Atlanta Girl wrote:

> Being a long term vegetarian years ago did nothing for my hair

> health. Now I go for the fats, incl animal fats.

Another recovering vegetarian?

sol

[Guest guest]

AG,

I am on that train and can't get off. How did you reverse the loss from

thyroid/adrenal

issues? Was it the amino acid/Celtic sea salt/green tea extract mix? There are

many

women here who've struggled and suffered with hair loss, even when they feel

optimized...

Any suggested are always greatly appreciated. I like to hear what works for

others.

>

>

> Cheri-

> Stopping my long term hair loss was like stopping a train on fire.

> Once I got it stopped there was a lot of healing I needed to do for my

> hair alone. One part of my protocol that was really for my adrenals

> has done mega good things for my follicles. And this is liquid

> aminos. The powered ones were not nearly as effective as the Twin Lab

> liquid version. Rind says to sip on a mixture of aminos and water

> throughout the day. I add a little Celtic to mine and some green tea

> extract. Twice a day I make a mix. Wow as for the hair growth and

> health.

> Being a long term vegetarian years ago did nothing for my hair

> health. Now I go for the fats, incl animal fats. And I make sure I

> keep my HC up to where it needs to be.

>

> -AG

> Begin forwarded message:

>

> >

> > I think my hair loss is more adrenal related too, especially since I

> > have

> > the loss all over with very little body hair left. That is more

> > adrenal

> > related from what I have researched. Amino acids and cholesterol are

> > also

> > required for hair growth which I know is part of my problem.

> >

> > Cheri

> > -----Original M

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do you think Braggs Amino Acid liquid is any good? Would I just mix

this in some water and sip it?

Thanks,

Naffy

>

> >>And this is liquid

> aminos. The powered ones were not nearly as effective as the Twin Lab

> liquid version.-AG>>

>

> Dear AG,

>

> Do you know what the aminos are derived from? is it soy?

>

> Dahlia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Braggs is made from soy. It taste great but it is soy. Bernetta

-- Re: Hair loss - Adrenal or Thyroid?

Do you think Braggs Amino Acid liquid is any good? Would I just mix

this in some water and sip it?

Thanks,

Naffy

>

> >>And this is liquid

> aminos. The powered ones were not nearly as effective as the Twin Lab

> liquid version.-AG>>

>

> Dear AG,

>

> Do you know what the aminos are derived from? is it soy?

>

> Dahlia

>

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp;jsessionid=EMPBSOBJS\

I2VWCQUC4WVAFQKCQL1AUNE?id=TL-1424

> Do you have a link the aminos you take? I have tried different ones,

> both

> powdered and liquid but haven't had much success so I definitely am

> looking

> for a new one to try.

>

> I also am going to up my quinoa intake since it has something like

> 19 or the

> amino acids.

>

> Cheri

[Guest guest]

>

Dahlia..... this info was in the email to you that kept getting

returned to me!

It's whey, egg white, gelatin.

xoe

> >>And this is liquid

> aminos. The powered ones were not nearly as effective as the Twin Lab

> liquid version.-AG>>

>

> Dear AG,

>

> Do you know what the aminos are derived from? is it soy?

>

> Dahlia

"

[Guest guest]

Sol,

Apparently so. It took awhile for me to add this to my long list of

adrenal drainers. Now I see it as a biggie!

-AG

>

> Another recovering vegetarian?

> sol

[Guest guest]

Let me just say , it was 6 years of massive shedding cycles. The

last 2 years were non stop heavy shedding. I went after fixing

everything I could think of. BHRT to replace bottomed out ovarian

hormones, serious gut repair work, dysbiosis clearing, probiotic,

digestive enzymes/HCL, problem food elimination, propecia, then adding

t (neither worked), special topicals, special shampoos, spiro, tons of

doctors, vitamins, minerals, ferritin levels optimized, B12, iodine,

HC, HGH and thyroid meds- armour and T3. You name it and I have tried

it and am still on some of this list. 6 years of trying stuff. And

all I had was a balding head and miniaturization of over 1/2. I had

health, but not manifested in my hair. ???? Didn't figure.

Then I got the picture. I figured for some time I had CTE, chronic

telegen effluvium. This fancy term now means to me low grade

follicular inflammation. A hormone change set if off. Low cortisol

allowed it to thrive. BUT, even when I added the cortisol the whole

raging hair loss wouldn't stop. So, I used Rogaine 5% foam to stop

it. Rogaine will stop CTE and TE. It worked and still works like the

miracle that it is. I use it twice a day.

Hair loss caused by inflammation, which I believe most hair loss IS,

even if it's DHT initiated, works by cutting the blood flow off to the

follicles. Autoimmune. Hence miniaturization sets in. And it

progresses. Rogaine (no I don't sell it!) increases blood flow

somehow. This blood flow stops the inflammation and the autoimmune

response dies down.

After putting the follicular fire OUT, I was able to actually see a

difference from taking MSM, biotin and extra protein, etc.. Although

these things are now tangible hair hair wise, I still need to keep my

cortisol up. Recently I had a very small bout of hair loss increase

and it was because I increased activity and T3 and my adrenals

flagged. Upping cortisol stopped the loss immediately.

I did find that the liquid aminos made my hair grow significantly

faster, something I never saw with anything in the past.

I hope this helps. I've gone into detail as I know I scanned boards

for anything and everything anyone said about hair loss and re-

growth. Thyroid had been impt. for my hair, but adrenal attention has

been even more so. With low body temps it would seem that poor

circulation would impact the hair follicles. More blood flow means

more good stuff getting to your roots. In a round about way, it's

sort of all about blood flow.

-AG

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

> AG,

>

> I am on that train and can't get off. How did you reverse the loss

> from thyroid/adrenal

> issues? Was it the amino acid/Celtic sea salt/green tea extract mix?

> There are many

> women here who've struggled and suffered with hair loss, even when

> they feel optimized...

>

> Any suggested are always greatly appreciated. I like to hear what

> works for others.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Naffy,

For me it wouldn't be strong enough. Check the Twin Lab Amino Fuel

bottle for amounts. Compare it. I take 3-5 T a day in water. I got

the idea from Rind's website. And I will also say, for as much as it

does for my hair and adrenals, it is stellar for what it does for my

brain. It's turned into a brain optimizer! Seriously. And it makes

sense if you see that all neurotransmitters are from amino acids.

-AG

Begin forwarded message:

>

> Do you think Braggs Amino Acid liquid is any good? Would I just mix

> this in some water and sip it?

>

> Thanks,

> Naffy

[Guest guest]

>>Braggs is made from soy. It taste great but it is soy. Bernetta >>

Aren't most aminos derived from soy? What isn't? would love to know!

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

>>Check the Twin Lab Amino Fuel

bottle for amounts. Compare it. I take 3-5 T a day in water. I got

the idea from Rind's website. And I will also say, for as much as it

does for my hair and adrenals, it is stellar for what it does for my

brain. It's turned into a brain optimizer! Seriously. And it makes

sense if you see that all neurotransmitters are from amino acids.

-AG>>

Wow, that is a serious endorsement!

Thanks for this info, AG, it's great.

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

Atlanta Girl,

What does the Twin Lab Amino Fuel taste like? I was looking at it

yesterday but didn't buy it because I was afraid I wouldn't use it if

it tasted bad.

Also, would you mind telling me who you see for AF in Atlanta? You can

email me privately if you like.

Thanks,

English

also in Atlanta near 75 and s Mill

>

> Naffy,

>

> For me it wouldn't be strong enough. Check the Twin Lab Amino Fuel

> bottle for amounts. Compare it. I take 3-5 T a day in water. I got

> the idea from Rind's website. And I will also say, for as much as it

> does for my hair and adrenals, it is stellar for what it does for my

> brain. It's turned into a brain optimizer! Seriously. And it makes

> sense if you see that all neurotransmitters are from amino acids.

>

> -AG

>

> Begin forwarded message:

>

> >

> > Do you think Braggs Amino Acid liquid is any good? Would I just mix

> > this in some water and sip it?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Naffy

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, AG. I cried when I read your long list... it is almost identical to

mine. I will

order the amino acids today!

My story for those searching " hair loss " . I was dx'd with Graves Disease 2003,

fought it off

until 2005. Had radioactive iodine ablation 2005 that was supposed to only kill

partial

thyroid but killed it completely. Within 3 months of that, I lost large

quantities of hair. I

went incredibly hypo. After one month of this loss i pulled a wad of hair out

of my shower

drain the size of a regular football, so when I say large quantities, I mean

almost all of my

hair. I was 35 and bald. My Endo said it would all come back and I'm still

waiting.

Through a full bachelor's- degree- worth- of- time of reasearch I have

transitioned from

Synthroid (ugh) to Armour thyroid, starting at 30 mg and working my way up to

600 mg

without relief. Now, 600 mg is incredibly excessive for most, but didn't touch

me. I did

saliva cortisol testing which showed crazy high levels of cortisol, tried HC to

give my

adrenals a break, but had some weird side effects so weaned off. I eventually

worked my

way to a decrease in Armour and added T3 in hopes of getting to T3 only

treatment as

nothing else seemed to work.

I'm waiting for results of another saliva cortisol. I believe I may now be low

as I've been

burning on extra-high cortisol for 2 yrs. If so, I will try HC again. AG, what

is your history

with HC? When and why did you start and how long have you been on?

In the meantime, I have had 3 separate tests to measure catecholine levels and

metanepherine levels as my Grandmother died from undignosed pheochormocytomas,

so I

have a family history of adrenal tumors. All 3 tests showed high levels, yet I

am still

repeating tests b/c the stupid jerk doctors don't want to move forward and

complete an

imaging study. They are trying to prove I don't have it rather than try to find

the cause of

my issues. Hair is just not impt to the docs... Anyway, I'm doing a 24 hr

urine catecholine

and metanephrine level today.

Val has been incredible and helped me to feel confident pursuing my own medical

health

and research...

Onward and Upward! Anybody who wants to weigh in, feel free, b/c I appreciate

all

opinions. And Thank You!

300mg Armour, 40mg T3 and still crazy

[Guest guest]

They are tests for a specific adrenal tumor of which I have a family history.

It would explain

a lot of my issues...

I've been reading posts from " Sam " who takes 11 grains of Armour and just

recently found

that her aldosterone levels were low... as soon as she worked on that, her hair

completely

returned. That's what I'm researching now...

Good luck!

[Guest guest]

,

What does Sam take for her aldosterone levels? Florinef?

My hair loss is so extreme, worse since taking cortisol replacement and I

beginning to think this is all aldosterone related too.

Cheri

Re: Hair loss - Adrenal or Thyroid?

They are tests for a specific adrenal tumor of which I have a family

history. It would explain

a lot of my issues...

I've been reading posts from " Sam " who takes 11 grains of Armour and just

recently found

that her aldosterone levels were low... as soon as she worked on that, her

hair completely

returned. That's what I'm researching now...

Good luck!

[Guest guest]

I think my sodium is fine, but then again I take sea salt, so I don't think

it would ever show up low on my bloodwork. My BP has been much better this

year, as in not as low anymore... I was running 80's - 90's over 50's....and

the silly doc just told me not to get into a car accident or cut

myself...because there wasn't much room for error....

Did he mention adrenals??? NOPE!! He had NO idea why my BP had rather

suddenly gone so low....even sitting after waiting in the doc's office I run

110ish over 70, but at home much lower.

SeaLady

Low aldosterone would affect sodium more than anything. Low sodium and

low BP are hallmarks of low aldosterione, btu the BP can also be high .

[Guest guest]

Val,

My hubby who is very bad off adrenal wise also has sodium below range.

However his BP is high. Do you think that I should have his

aldosterone & renin checked and if so do you know of a lab that tests

both?

Gale

>

> Low aldosterone would affect sodium more than anything. Low sodium and

> low BP are hallmarks of low aldosterione, btu the BP can also be high .

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks . Unfortunatly for us we have no Insurance coverage. We

are on our own & my DH can hardly work. I have to find a way to get

the tests without a Dr.

Gale

>

> Hi Gale,

>

> I'm not Val, but if you can talk your doctor into ordering it, then

insurance will prolly pay and it can be done at any lab, I think.

> I get my labs at my local hospital out patient lab. I think my low

sodium and BP was what told Val to have me consider starting Florinef.

>

>

> Re: Hair loss - Adrenal or Thyroid?

>

>

> Val,

>

> My hubby who is very bad off adrenal wise also has sodium below range.

> However his BP is high. Do you think that I should have his

> aldosterone & renin checked and if so do you know of a lab that tests

> both?

>

>

[Guest guest]

-I'm going to try to post to her and ask her to respond... she's been very kind

and explains

her situation very well. I think she did say Florinef, tho.

I'm going to check my levels, too.