Re: Two good articles on low cortisol link to aggression and PTSD

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Low Cortisol Levels May Predict PTSD Risk

I'll go one better.. PTSD is low cortiosl.

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The new endo is telling me that she feels something else is wrong and

she talked about low cortisol depression and the studies being done at

the the National Health INstitute and she is trying to get me in. I

ahve been told I has Post tramatic stress and anxiety disorder

derpession. Is there anywhere in Tn that one could go to get help

with this. What is VAMC.

Need answers. Somehting is just not right

Thanks

Ellen

> Cortisol is a hormone that scientists associate with stress as well as

> chronic mood disorders. During times of stress, cortisol levels rise and

> then subside as the stress subsides. If stress is chronic or if a

chronic

> mood disorder (anxiety, depression) is present, increased cortisol

levels

> may indicate that the brain has become resistant to cortisol's effects,

> scientists believe.

>

> One may wonder why, then, people with PTSD or the risk of developing

PTSD

> would have lower cortisol levels. The VAMC research group theorizes that

> with PTSD, the brain may become hypersensitive to the effects of

cortisol.

> The same area of the brain which may resist cortisol in people with

chronic

> mood disorders, the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis,

appears to

> work differently in people with PTSD or the risk of having PTSD.

>

> The study performed by the researchers at the VAMC involved 35 adult

> children of Holocaust survivors and 15 comparison subjects. All subjects

> were evaluated using various standard questionnaires. To determine

whether

> the subjects' parents had PTSD, parents were interviewed directly (in 11

> cases) or subjects completed a questionnaire created by the

researchers. To

> test cortisol levels, urine samples were collected during 24-hour

periods

> during times when subjects did not expect to be under stress.

>

> Using the results of the questionnaire, researchers divided the subjects

> into three categories --

>

> · subjects without lifetime PTSD, whose parents did not have PTSD

>

> · subjects without lifetime PTSD, whose parents did have PTSD

>

> · subjects with lifetime PTSD, whose parents did have PTSD

>

> Researchers made the following conclusions based on the

questionnaires and

> tests --

>

> · Adult children of Holocaust survivors were more at risk of

developing PTSD

> than the comparison subjects, even though lifetime traumatic

experiences did

> not differ between these two groups.

>

> · 13 of the 35 offspring of Holocaust survivors had lifetime or current

> PTSD.

>

> · 25 offspring of Holocaust survivors had at least one parent with PTSD.

>

> · Cortisol levels were low in subjects with PTSD and who had a

parent with

> PTSD, but where higher in subjects who had neither.

>

> Ultimately, the researchers were able to determine that the low cortisol

> levels were associated with parental PTSD rather than the parent's

exposure

> to trauma during the Holocaust. Additionally, the low cortisol

levels could

> be associated with a risk of developing PTSD. Subjects exposed to trauma

> without developing PTSD did not necessarily have low cortisol levels, so

> exposure to trauma alone cannot be associated with lower cortisol

levels.

>

> The conclusions of the VAMC study will help scientists further

understand

> PTSD and lead to newer treatments. By determining physiological

differences

> in people who develop PTSD, researchers can understand why some people

> develop the disorder after traumatic experiences but others do not.

>

>

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>

> Hormone Linked to Severe Aggression in Boys

>

> Archives of General Psychiatry 2000;57. NEW YORK, Jan 13 (Reuters

Health)

>

> Newsdesk-000117D

>

> Low levels of a stress hormone may be an underlying cause of serious,

> persistent aggression in young boys with behavioral problems, the

results of

> a new study suggest.

>

> Among 7- to 12-year-old boys with behavioral problems, those who had low

> levels of the hormone cortisol were three times more aggressive and

three

> times more likely to be considered the meanest kids by their

classmates than

> boys with higher levels of the hormone.

>

> " Kids become aggressive for all kinds of reasons, but there seems to

be an

> association between starting (aggressive behavior) early and staying

> aggressive... that seems to be associated with low cortisol, " the

study's

> lead author, Dr. McBurnett, of the University of Chicago,

Illinois,

> told Reuters Health in an interview.

>

> While many children and teens go through a rebellious stage, there is a

> group of children whose aggressive behavior starts early and

continues into

> adulthood, according to McBurnett.

>

> " These are kids who have a basic difference in their temperaments, "

he said.

> According to the results of the study, these children with severe

aggression

> tend to have low levels of cortisol, McBurnett noted.

>

> In the study, the investigators gathered data on 38 boys who showed

> aggressive problem behavior, such as being cruel to other people or

animals,

> initiating fights, stealing from others or forcing others into sexual

> activity. Each year for 4 years, the boys underwent examinations in

which

> they were evaluated for signs of aggressiveness. During the second and

> fourth exams, levels of cortisol in saliva were measured.

>

> Besides the professional evaluations and interviews with parents and

> teachers, the children were also judged by their peers. During the

first 2

> years, their classmates were asked to rate the behavior of all students,

> including naming the nicest, the meanest and the shyest student, as

well as

> the one who got into the most fights.

>

> At the end of 4 years, there was a clear relationship between low

cortisol

> levels and aggressive behavior, the authors report in the January

issue of

> the Archives of General Psychiatry. About one-third of boys with low

> cortisol levels were voted the meanest kid in class, compared to just

> one-tenth of the boys with higher cortisol levels. In addition, boys

who had

> low cortisol levels were more likely to become aggressive at a

younger age.

>

> Exactly how cortisol relates to behavior is uncertain, but researchers

> suggest that low levels of the hormone may affect how some aggressive

> children respond to stress. According to McBurnett's team, it is unclear

> what causes the stress-control system to go awry — genetics, some

sort of

> stress in the womb or during infancy, poor parenting, deprivation or

some

> other factor may be responsible.

>

>

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>

>

>

>

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Val,

How do you get help with low cortisol depression or Post traumatic

stress. That is what they think I have now.

NO one knows how to treat it.

Do you know much

Ellen

>

> Low Cortisol Levels May Predict PTSD Risk

>

> I'll go one better.. PTSD is low cortiosl.

>

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[Guest guest]

Ellen, I talk ALOT ot a fella in the UK that is seeing Dr

Peatfield. He is one of the exceptions ot the " rules " about HC

replacement doses. He needs 60-80 MG daily to feel well, and has been on

these doses for several years with NO side effects from high coritosl.

While I do nto recommend that high doses ot ANYONE wihtou being under a

good doctor, can you emial Dr Peatfield? There is a man that could help

you. I wish I knew of a USA Doctor that could there is one in PA that

might I will try to get his address for you if you areinterested in

traveling to see him once, he will continue th etreatments through phone

consults after the initial visit.

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>>How do you get help with low cortisol depression or Post traumatic

stress. That is what they think I have now.<<

Loew cortiosldepression... Treat the low cortiosl! Then you willbe able to

tolerate enough T3 to get rid of the depression. I still feel honestly they are

undertreatign oyure 's.

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I don't know how to do this or raise the cortef. I am now trying to

come off of stress dosing. It really did not help when I stressed

dosed for that long trip. I don't understand that either.

Do you know the guy in the UK. How could I talk to him? Do you think

I should try to lower the cortef still

I am bruising badly. What could be causing that.

When I try to raise the T3 I kind of go crazy and cannot sleep that is

why I have not raised it. I did try and will still try but my

God...she lowerd the cortef at the same time she raised the T3. I am

not even capable of taking my temps or anything. I am wasting away.

Thanks

Ellen

Thank

Ellen

>

> Ellen, I talk ALOT ot a fella in the UK that is seeing Dr

> Peatfield. He is one of the exceptions ot the " rules " about HC

> replacement doses. He needs 60-80 MG daily to feel well, and has

been on

> these doses for several years with NO side effects from high coritosl.

> While I do nto recommend that high doses ot ANYONE wihtou being under a

> good doctor, can you emial Dr Peatfield? There is a man that could help

> you. I wish I knew of a USA Doctor that could there is one in PA that

> might I will try to get his address for you if you areinterested in

> traveling to see him once, he will continue th etreatments through

phone

> consults after the initial visit.

>

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Val,

I would also appreciate very much the name of the Dr in PA if you can get

it.

Thanks,

Delores (deloresworley@...)

Re: Re: Two good articles on low cortisol link to

aggression and PTSD

> Ellen, I talk ALOT ot a fella in the UK that is seeing Dr

> Peatfield. He is one of the exceptions ot the " rules " about HC

> replacement doses. He needs 60-80 MG daily to feel well, and has been on

> these doses for several years with NO side effects from high coritosl.

> While I do nto recommend that high doses ot ANYONE wihtou being under a

> good doctor, can you emial Dr Peatfield? There is a man that could help

> you. I wish I knew of a USA Doctor that could there is one in PA that

> might I will try to get his address for you if you areinterested in

> traveling to see him once, he will continue th etreatments through phone

> consults after the initial visit.

>

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>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

But like you said I need a good doctor to monitor higher dosed of

cortef and I don't have that. I do not travle well so I cannot get to

doctor far away.

I am at a loss and need so much help. This back thing has also reaked

havoc. I just cannot handle the pain and trying to deal with the

CPAP.. To many things to juggle and work. I am not sure I can work

anymore. I am pretty housebound. Scared

Ellen

>

> >>How do you get help with low cortisol depression or Post traumatic

> stress. That is what they think I have now.<<

>

> Loew cortiosldepression... Treat the low cortiosl! Then you willbe

able to tolerate enough T3 to get rid of the depression. I still feel

honestly they are undertreatign oyure 's.

>

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But like you said I need a good doctor to monitor higher dosed of

cortef and I don't have that. I do not travle well so I cannot get to

doctor far away.

I am at a loss and need so much help. This back thing has also reaked

havoc. I just cannot handle the pain and trying to deal with the

CPAP.. To many things to juggle and work. I am not sure I can work

anymore. I am pretty housebound. Scared

Ellen

>

> >>How do you get help with low cortisol depression or Post traumatic

> stress. That is what they think I have now.<<

>

> Loew cortiosldepression... Treat the low cortiosl! Then you willbe

able to tolerate enough T3 to get rid of the depression. I still feel

honestly they are undertreatign oyure 's.

>

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I still would like to get his name though. NOt

> >

> > >>How do you get help with low cortisol depression or Post traumatic

> > stress. That is what they think I have now.<<

> >

> > Loew cortiosldepression... Treat the low cortiosl! Then you willbe

> able to tolerate enough T3 to get rid of the depression. I still feel

> honestly they are undertreatign oyure 's.

> >

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The bruising could be form high cortisol. I would try to get to a stable

dose of say 40MG HC, then once there for a couple weeks try ot raise the

T3. She should NEVER have had you lower HC an riase T3 at the same time.

I will ask him if he will talk to you, he is very private so I am not sure.

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I will get some names for you by this afternoon.

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I just noticed the subject. Sorry. I don't have those symptoms. I just

need to find a Dr on the east coast who recognizes adrenal fatigue and

treats similarly to Dr Peatfield if possible. Has anyone been to Dr Rind in

Wash DC? What is the opinion of his treatment?

Delores

Re: Re: Two good articles on low cortisol link to

> aggression and PTSD

>

>

> > Ellen, I talk ALOT ot a fella in the UK that is seeing Dr

> > Peatfield. He is one of the exceptions ot the " rules " about HC

> > replacement doses. He needs 60-80 MG daily to feel well, and has been on

> > these doses for several years with NO side effects from high coritosl.

> > While I do nto recommend that high doses ot ANYONE wihtou being under a

> > good doctor, can you emial Dr Peatfield? There is a man that could help

> > you. I wish I knew of a USA Doctor that could there is one in PA that

> > might I will try to get his address for you if you areinterested in

> > traveling to see him once, he will continue th etreatments through phone

> > consults after the initial visit.

> >

> > --

> > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> >

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > http://www.seewell4less.com/Valspage.htm Medical Alert Bracelets

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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easy bruising is a sign of high cortisol

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It is a sign of low cortisol too. I have huge bruising issues and I am stage

7. Cheri

Re: Two good articles on low cortisol link to

aggression and PTSD

easy bruising is a sign of high cortisol

.

[Guest guest]

That is what I tend to believe too. I met up with a friend last night who I

have not seen in quite awhile. She told me her husband is suffering really

badly from PTSD, was diagnosed with Graves and given radioactive iodine. I

asked if he has ever had his cortisol levels checked, which he hadn't so I

sent her some info. I know my own issues with PTSD are definitely low

cortisol related because it is like night and day, especially with the

anxiety, when I get the cortisol levels higher.

I also think there is a role aldosterone plays (and with bruising) but am

not yet sure what that is.

Cheri

Re: Two good articles on low cortisol link to

aggression and PTSD

Low Cortisol Levels May Predict PTSD Risk

I'll go one better.. PTSD is low cortiosl.

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[Guest guest]

Don't you also have low ferritin? Or am I thinking of someone else? IF

your low cortisol causes bruising shouldn't that be resolved now that

you are on an adequate dose of HC?

My brother used to bruise horrendously in childhood from being anemic.

sol

MsSquarepants wrote:

> It is a sign of low cortisol too. I have huge bruising issues

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I agree about the PTSD being low cortisol.....my son had PTSD and ended up

with testicular cancer. These things are all hormonally related.

Wish I had known how to help him at least in 1999. Too late for him. But

I try to pass this fact on to others I know.

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aggression and PTSD

Low Cortisol Levels May Predict PTSD Risk

I'll go one better.. PTSD is low cortiosl.

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