Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 The cream is an untested method of dosing. ALL we have is what we have seen here and some animals and the warnings on the tubes. Obviously it works for some, maybe not for others. This is one reason I am leery of recommending it carte blanche for people their mileage may vary! It may depend where you apply it, or there may be some other kin factors we as yet do not know abotu that will make some people absorb better than others. This is why I tell people that want to try it to change one dose at a time so you really can tell if it si working before you are commited to the whole day's dosage on it. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Hi Val, Do you use HC cream? Delores Re: HC cream problems.... > The cream is an untested method of dosing. ALL we have is what we have > seen here and some animals and the warnings on the tubes. Obviously it > works for some, maybe not for others. This is one reason I am leery of > recommending it carte blanche for people their mileage may vary! It may > depend where you apply it, or there may be some other kin factors we as > yet do not know abotu that will make some people absorb better than > others. This is why I tell people that want to try it to change one dose > at a time so you really can tell if it si working before you are > commited to the whole day's dosage on it. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 No I use the puills and havea cast iron stomach so have never had problems with them. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Val, I'm impressed that you are able to stomach the pills. I have about a 2 year supply of the pills. I think I will try to take them again instead of the HC cream (in fact, I just took 5mg with some whey protein powder in mountain water). I guess you just eat something when you take the pills? Thanks, Delores Re: HC cream problems.... > No I use the puills and havea cast iron stomach so have never had > problems with them. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Yes I keep yogurt cups handy for taking with my doses. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 For me, the HC cream was a total failure.... I'm back to the pills and they DO hurt my stomach if I don't eat something solid with them. But, since switching back to the pills, all the low cortisol symptoms are gone! I hope others can do better on this. > > Yes I keep yogurt cups handy for taking with my doses. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 TUbbs wrote: > For me, the HC cream was a total failure.... > > I hope others can do better on this. > > Yup, I do fine on the cream alone. Got to stable temps and everything, LOL. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Sol, How much of the cream do you use at each dose? Tina > > For me, the HC cream was a total failure.... > > > > I hope others can do better on this. > > > > > Yup, I do fine on the cream alone. Got to stable temps and everything, LOL. > sol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 May I ask what a thyroid dump it? thanks Bev > I've been using 1% HC cream since 1/14; as I said before, I swapped > over from the pills to cream in one day and had a nice thyroid dump > that night. I also noticed two good things while on the cream: 1. No > more heart palps that were horrific. 2. Lost some swelling in my face > and hands (noticed right away). 3. Temps seemt to be more stable. > > The bad problems I had were: Shakiness, adrenal pain, loud noise > bothers, easily cry, mad all the time, hypoglycemic. I stress dosed > after the thyroid dump the first day: 5 mg, the second day: total of 15 > mg, the third day: usual dose (32.5), the fourth day: 5 mg., the fifth > day: 15 mgs, the sixth day: 10 mgs. Yesterday night, I took 5 mgs. HC > pill and within half an hour, I felt noticably better. Now, after > writing this, I'm wondering if my stress dosing contributed to me HC > problems...hmmmm.. My temps since starting the HC cream have been: > 98.4, 98.4, 98.6 (2 readings), 98.5 (one reading), 98.4, 98.4, 98.4: > these averages are much more stable than when I was on taking the HC > pills. > Anyway, today I plan to use half cream and half pills. What do you > think of all this?? My husband is thinking the pills work better. > > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 However many mgs each dose is supposed to be, figuring 1/4 tsp 1% HC cream equals 10 mg. I started HC (cream) per the dosing schedule in the Files under " How to Treat Adrenals " --hope that is where it is, LOL. When I got to 20 mg, I continued on per advice from Val and posts I read here. Current dose is 30 mg total dosed 10, 7.5, 5, 2.5, 5. The idea as I understand it is to try to replicate a normal daily cortisol rhythm. sol Tina Chapek wrote: > Sol, > How much of the cream do you use at each dose? > > Tina > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I can tell you what it FELT like... temp was 99 (mine are usually 98.4 or so), heart beating wildly (while trying to go to sleep), can't fall asleep for hours... all this happened at the same time, around 9:30 pm at night. - > > May I ask what a thyroid dump it? > thanks > Bev > > > > I've been using 1% HC cream since 1/14; as I said before, I > swapped > > over from the pills to cream in one day and had a nice thyroid > dump > > that night. I also noticed two good things while on the cream: 1. > No > > more heart palps that were horrific. 2. Lost some swelling in my > face > > and hands (noticed right away). 3. Temps seemt to be more stable. > > > > The bad problems I had were: Shakiness, adrenal pain, loud noise > > bothers, easily cry, mad all the time, hypoglycemic. I stress > dosed > > after the thyroid dump the first day: 5 mg, the second day: total > of 15 > > mg, the third day: usual dose (32.5), the fourth day: 5 mg., the > fifth > > day: 15 mgs, the sixth day: 10 mgs. Yesterday night, I took 5 > mgs. HC > > pill and within half an hour, I felt noticably better. Now, > after > > writing this, I'm wondering if my stress dosing contributed to me > HC > > problems...hmmmm.. My temps since starting the HC cream have been: > > 98.4, 98.4, 98.6 (2 readings), 98.5 (one reading), 98.4, 98.4, > 98.4: > > these averages are much more stable than when I was on taking the > HC > > pills. > > Anyway, today I plan to use half cream and half pills. What do > you > > think of all this?? My husband is thinking the pills work better. > > > > - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Sol, Do you know what stage you are with adrenal fatigue and did you ever use the HC pills? Thanks, > > For me, the HC cream was a total failure.... > > > > I hope others can do better on this. > > > > > Yup, I do fine on the cream alone. Got to stable temps and everything, LOL. > sol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 TUbbs wrote: > Sol, > > Do you know what stage you are with adrenal fatigue and did you ever > use the HC pills? > , I am stage 7 (cortisol burden10). I use a pill dose once in a while when I can't do the cream for some reason like have to shower immediately or will be out in public when a dose is due. Other than those two instances, I use the cream exclusively. I started the cream after doing the saliva tests, while I was waiting for my HC pill order to come. By the time the pills got here, I felt I was doing fine on the cream, and I do need to avoid the stomach irritation from the pills. I have a very irritable stomach, have had lots of problems with it, and feel more comfortable avoiding that issue as much as possible. Maybe cream worked so well for me because that is what I started with, and I did the dose increasing schedule on it? I do feel Val is right that absorption is probably different between the cream and the tablets. But whether any individual will do better with one form over the other is difficult to say. I can't say I notice much difference between the cream and a pill of equal dose, but then I use the pill so seldom maybe it is different and I just don't notice. I also imagine different brands of HC cream even though all say 1% they may be slightly different or absorb differently if the inactive ingredients differ. I stick to one brand now, as I could tell a difference between the two brands I was using. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Sol, I wish I could use the cream, but as I had problems using estrogen in a cream form (used for 4 yrs.) and when finally switched to a pill form, felt immensely better. So, possibly I have absorption problems using that route. The one lingering question I have is why did I have a thyroid dump the first day I used the HC cream? If the HC cream didn't work, I don't understand why it could have released so much T-3 into my system to cause this. One thing I can say, is that when I used the HC pill one to replace a cream dose, I felt so much better... Anyway, thanks for all the info. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 You might try the gel form of HC. I tried it and LOVE it! My sleep is better and, this morning at yoga, one of the balance asanas was the easiest it has ever been for me. (Usually, balance poses create a slight internal shakiness in me.) I had a calm, relaxed feeling that I haven't had, and I have been a yogi for years. The pill form never really 'worked' for me like this. I am assuming it is the increased absorption of the HC from the gel form that has make a difference. I have had insomnia for years and, between iodine and the gel form of HC, nothing has made any real difference in my insomnia. Pamela TUbbs wrote: Sol, I wish I could use the cream, but as I had problems using estrogen in a cream form (used for 4 yrs.) and when finally switched to a pill form, felt immensely better. So, possibly I have absorption problems using that route. The one lingering question I have is why did I have a thyroid dump the first day I used the HC cream? If the HC cream didn't work, I don't understand why it could have released so much T-3 into my system to cause this. One thing I can say, is that when I used the HC pill one to replace a cream dose, I felt so much better... Anyway, thanks for all the info. - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Okay, maybe I'll try the gel form... what brand do you use?? > Sol, > > I wish I could use the cream, but as I had problems using estrogen in a > cream form (used for 4 yrs.) and when finally switched to a pill form, > felt immensely better. So, possibly I have absorption problems using > that route. The one lingering question I have is why did I have a > thyroid dump the first day I used the HC cream? If the HC cream didn't > work, I don't understand why it could have released so much T-3 into my > system to cause this. > > One thing I can say, is that when I used the HC pill one to replace a > cream dose, I felt so much better... > > Anyway, thanks for all the info. > > - > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Corticool is the brand name. I get it at Walgreen's. Make sure you check the Inactive Ingredients. They should read: hypromellose, menthol, polyoxyl castor oil, propylene glycol, purified water, SD alcohol NOT Benzethonium Chloride , Benzophenone 4 , Hypromellose , Menthol , Peppermint Oil , Polysorbate 20 , Propylene Glycol , Purified Water , SD Alcohol 40-B 20% by Weight , Sodium Gluconate , Sodium Metabisulfite The latter are the ingredients of a stale batch. Pamela TUbbs wrote: Okay, maybe I'll try the gel form... what brand do you use?? > Sol, > > I wish I could use the cream, but as I had problems using estrogen in a > cream form (used for 4 yrs.) and when finally switched to a pill form, > felt immensely better. So, possibly I have absorption problems using > that route. The one lingering question I have is why did I have a > thyroid dump the first day I used the HC cream? If the HC cream didn't > work, I don't understand why it could have released so much T-3 into my > system to cause this. > > One thing I can say, is that when I used the HC pill one to replace a > cream dose, I felt so much better... > > Anyway, thanks for all the info. > > - > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I believe that I experienced my dump b/c I used cream and it absorbed much better than my lousy digestive system. The stuff definitely works, and I like the gel so far also. I just don't know about differences in absorption based on where you rub it in since you have to rotate it around to avoid thinning the skin. > I wish I could use the cream, but as I had problems using estrogen in a > cream form (used for 4 yrs.) and when finally switched to a pill form, > felt immensely better. So, possibly I have absorption problems using > that route. The one lingering question I have is why did I have a > thyroid dump the first day I used the HC cream? If the HC cream didn't > work, I don't understand why it could have released so much T-3 into my > system to cause this. > > One thing I can say, is that when I used the HC pill one to replace a > cream dose, I felt so much better... > > Anyway, thanks for all the info. > > - > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 TUbbs wrote: > The one lingering question I have is why did I have a > thyroid dump the first day I used the HC cream? If the HC cream didn't > work, I don't understand why it could have released so much T-3 into my > system to cause this. > That sounds to me like you absorbed the cream a lot better, so the dose you were actually absorbing from the pill, though techincally the same in mgs, was a lot lower. You might also be very sensitive to small increase in dosing and the " 10 mg per 1/4 tsp) of 1% HC cream is actually rounded down. The exact mgs in 1/4 tsp of cream is 11.66. So combining that you must have absorbed the cream better, with it being a teeny bit higher already could, in my mind, have been enough increase in HC to allow the thyroid into cells a lot better. But then I don't understand why you felt subsequent cream doses were not working. Very confusing. The advantage for me of using cream from the get go--I ramped up on it, so even if the dose I get is technically a bit higher than I would get in a pill, that was compensated for in the ramp up process, monitoring average temps. Personally I don't much care if I am getting exactly 10 mg per 1/4 teaspoon. What is important is getting to stable temps, and being able to tolerate thyroid. But in answering your question, and in thinking about what is going on with me, I think I may be having some trouble from the pill doses, as they are a teeny bit lower, and I probably do not absorb them as well. (that is an open issue though). I think I will avoid doing any pills for a week and see if that helps me. I usually have taken a pill dose 2 or 3 times a week, and if I don't get the same amount of HC in those doses, maybe that is enough to mess me up. Worth testing anyway. If the occasional pill dose is a problem for me, then I would have the opposite problem from you I guess. sol > One thing I can say, is that when I used the HC pill one to replace a > cream dose, I felt so much better... > > Anyway, thanks for all the info. > > - > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Just check to make sure that exp date is 2009, not 2008. I don't know that the older stuff is " stale " but it does seem to have more inactive ingredients that we don't know. > > Sol, > > > > I wish I could use the cream, but as I had problems using estrogen > in a > > cream form (used for 4 yrs.) and when finally switched to a pill > form, > > felt immensely better. So, possibly I have absorption problems > using > > that route. The one lingering question I have is why did I have a > > thyroid dump the first day I used the HC cream? If the HC cream > didn't > > work, I don't understand why it could have released so much T-3 > into my > > system to cause this. > > > > One thing I can say, is that when I used the HC pill one to replace > a > > cream dose, I felt so much better... > > > > Anyway, thanks for all the info. > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 The exp date on my tube is 2008 and has the correct inactive ingredients. So, 2008 could be a desirable exp date. So, just look for these inactive ingredients in the Corticool: hypromellose, menthol, polyoxyl castor oil, propylene glycol, purified water, SD alcohol Pamela jasrich wrote: Just check to make sure that exp date is 2009, not 2008. I don't know that the older stuff is " stale " but it does seem to have more inactive ingredients that we don't know. > > Corticool is the brand name. I get it at Walgreen's. Make sure you check the Inactive Ingredients. They should read: > > hypromellose, menthol, polyoxyl castor oil, propylene glycol, purified water, SD > alcohol > > NOT > > Benzethonium Chloride , Benzophenone 4 , Hypromellose , Menthol , > Peppermint Oil , Polysorbate 20 , Propylene Glycol , Purified Water , > SD Alcohol 40-B 20% by Weight , Sodium Gluconate , Sodium Metabisulfite > > The latter are the ingredients of a stale batch. > > Pamela > > --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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