quackwatch

[Guest guest]

My opinion is more harsh. QuackWatch is a crime against humanity.

Their publicity efforts are legally acceptable, if immoral, but their

efforts to educate state medical boards in how and why to persecute

alternative health care practitioners clearly violate the terms laid

down in " document 10 " at the Nuremberg trials for what constitutes a

" criminal organization. "

I will no doubt be considered a wild eyed radical for thinking there

is something wrong with an organization devoted to ensuring people

don't receive their treatment of choice when that treatment results in

less income to MD's.

They also list a bunch of medical things that they insist are bogus.

About a hundred. While I agree that a lot of the ones on that list

sound pretty far out, the 7 I tried all worked really well for me. I

suspect the other 93 are on the list precisely because they work and

are more economical than what the average MD wants to do to you.

I agree that if your doctor's office quotes them you need to find a

real doctor right away.

BTW, QuackWatch also maintains things like a list of " books you should

never read. " I don't believe I have yet had the priviledge of having

my book Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment listed, but their

maintenance of such a list ought to call into question their interest

in a fair and open debate.

Andy

> Dear Donna,

>

> In my opinion (and an opinion I'm aware of as quite

> common among health seekers) quackwatch is not someplace

> to look for actual serious advise about anything. Why

> the heck is your DOCTOR'S OFFICE recommending that you

> read this? Not exactly an endorsement of your doctor.

> Or was that the insurance company? Well, either way.....

>

> I haven't read a lot of the reviews on quackwatch, but I've

> sure heard a lot of commentary about what misinformation it

> is.

>

> We could start with the info you quoted as an example:

> " There is no reason to suspect mercury poising unless there is

> occupational exposure.

> No doctor who does hair analysis or who routinely screens kids for

> mercury should be trusted for any purpose whatsoever. "

>

> Somehow, I don't think this will really " fly " on this list.

> Both the " no reason to suspect " part and the " should not be

> trusted " part. These each seem extremely far over the edge

> of credibility. But, then, I think mercury poisoning is real,

> and can result from things other-than-occupational-exposure!

> I think if you believe the people on this list who post

> about the results they have seen it is pretty hard NOT to

> believe such.

>

> If you want to find out what the MOST negative reactionary

> incomplete, one-sided opinion is--then go to quackwatch.

> I think that quackwatch probably does a

> fair job of covering what is " cutting edge " , so it could

> be an okay source of info on things to look into (if you

> ignore whatever they say about the stuff). Or, if you

> want to " hear the worst " in order to prepare for the

> reactions of random people that you meet, it could be

> useful for that.

>

> In case anyone needs something be appalled by, I found the

> following text in less than 3 minutes on their site. This

> is from an article titled " The Mercury-amalgam Scam " :

> ==========================================================

> Dubious Ethics

>

> There is overwhelming evidence that mercury-amalgam fillings are

safe.

> Since 1905, although

> billions have been used successfully, fewer than fifty cases of

allergy to

> the amalgam have

> been reported in the scientific literature. In 1986, the American

Dental

> Association Council on

> Ethics, Bylaws, and Judicial Affairs concluded that " removal of

amalgam

> restorations for the

> alleged purpose of removing toxic substances from the body, when

such

> treatment is

> performed at the recommendation of the dentist, presents a question

of

> fraud or quackery in

> all but an exceedingly limited spectrum of cases. "

> ===============================================================

>

> In reading parts of this long article it is very apparant

> to me that they reached the conclusion (amalgams are safe;

> " antiamalgamists " are fakers) PRIOR TO investigating. I'm

> sure a number of their anecdotes and points or evidence are

> correct, they are just incredibly one-sided.

> For the whole article:

> http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/mercury.html

>

> regards,

> Moria

>

> RESPONDING TO:

> Message: 1

> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:27:49 -0500

> From: " tmbdmb " <tmbdmb@e...>

> Subject: YB - questioning use of mercury

>

> YB:

>

> You posted a note indicating that you could not get a doctor to

> buy into the idea of using chelation therapy, etc. I had the

> same problem with my doctor's office, but they eventually

> ordered the hair analysis test for my son. My problem occurred

> when the secretary got in touch with Keystone Mercy (to see

> if they would cover the cost of the test). At that point they told

> her that I should check out: www.quackwatch.com

>

> So I wrote to them and got back the following response:

>

> " There is no reason to suspect mercury poising unless there is

> occupational exposure.

> No doctor who does hair analysis or who routinely screens kids for

> mercury should be trusted for any purpose whatsoever. "

>

> We discuss mercury testing at

>

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/mercurytests.h

tml

> --

> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

> Barrett, M.D.

> Board Chairman, Quackwatch, Inc.

> NCAHF Vice President and Director of Internet Operations

> P.O. Box 1747, town, PA 18105

> Telephone: (610) 437-1795

>

> URL#1: http://www.quackwatch.com

> URL#2: http://www.chirobase.org

> URL#3: http://www.mlmwatch.org

> URL#4: http://www.nutriwatch.org

> URL#5: http://www.ncahf.o rg

>

> However, all this stuff is new and a number of parents are seeing

> really good results with their children. I think it's worth getting

the

> hair analysis from Doctors Data and then

[Guest guest]

This is the kind of stuff that my vegetarian " friends "

send me. I just don't respond at all any more. How

many times can I say, " I did it for 18 years and I got

sick. S-I-C-K. " Have any of you read the article

posted on the link?

> Note: forwarded message attached.

> ATTACHMENT part 2.2.2 message/rfc822

> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:15:32 -0500

> From: Steve <spamblock@...>

> Organization: Gravitational Research Institute

> beforewisdom@...

> Subject: More Background On Weston Price

>

> For those who haven't been keeping up the Weston

> Price foundation is an

> organization that condemns vegetarianism and

> advocates the eating of

> large quantities of animal products for health.

>

> Here is a small tidbit about the founder from

> quackwatch.com

>

>

>

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/holisticdent.html

>

> Steve

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Here is a rule of thumb for everyone to follow...

If Barrett condemns something you should learn about it

as quickly as possible and implement it immediately.

If he is in support of something and feels it is viable you

should turn and run away as fast as possible.

Don't even waste your time or energy with this guy. The quack is him.

DMM

> This is the kind of stuff that my vegetarian " friends "

> send me. I just don't respond at all any more. How

> many times can I say, " I did it for 18 years and I got

> sick. S-I-C-K. " Have any of you read the article

> posted on the link?

>

> > Note: forwarded message attached.

>

> > ATTACHMENT part 2.2.2 message/rfc822

> > Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:15:32 -0500

> > From: Steve <spamblock@a...>

> > Organization: Gravitational Research Institute

> > beforewisdom@y...

> > Subject: More Background On Weston Price

> >

> > For those who haven't been keeping up the Weston

> > Price foundation is an

> > organization that condemns vegetarianism and

> > advocates the eating of

> > large quantities of animal products for health.

> >

> > Here is a small tidbit about the founder from

> > quackwatch.com

> >

> >

> >

> http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/holisticdent.html

> >

> > Steve

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

ROFL!! Too true about Mr. Barrett!

SCB

>From: " drmichaelmarasco " <mmarasco@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: quackwatch

>Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:37:56 -0000

>

>Here is a rule of thumb for everyone to follow...

>

> If Barrett condemns something you should learn about it

>as quickly as possible and implement it immediately.

>

> If he is in support of something and feels it is viable you

>should turn and run away as fast as possible.

>

>Don't even waste your time or energy with this guy. The quack is him.

>

>DMM

>

>

>

> > This is the kind of stuff that my vegetarian " friends "

> > send me. I just don't respond at all any more. How

> > many times can I say, " I did it for 18 years and I got

> > sick. S-I-C-K. " Have any of you read the article

> > posted on the link?

> >

> > > Note: forwarded message attached.

> >

> > > ATTACHMENT part 2.2.2 message/rfc822

> > > Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:15:32 -0500

> > > From: Steve <spamblock@a...>

> > > Organization: Gravitational Research Institute

> > > beforewisdom@y...

> > > Subject: More Background On Weston Price

> > >

> > > For those who haven't been keeping up the Weston

> > > Price foundation is an

> > > organization that condemns vegetarianism and

> > > advocates the eating of

> > > large quantities of animal products for health.

> > >

> > > Here is a small tidbit about the founder from

> > > quackwatch.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/holisticdent.html

> > >

> > > Steve

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

You might want to email your " friends " a few of the letters from

ex-vegetarians/vegans on my site.

SCB

>From: L <lierrekeith@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: quackwatch

>Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 04:14:33 -0800 (PST)

>

>This is the kind of stuff that my vegetarian " friends "

>send me. I just don't respond at all any more. How

>many times can I say, " I did it for 18 years and I got

>sick. S-I-C-K. " Have any of you read the article

>posted on the link?

>

> > Note: forwarded message attached.

>

> > ATTACHMENT part 2.2.2 message/rfc822

> > Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:15:32 -0500

> > From: Steve <spamblock@...>

> > Organization: Gravitational Research Institute

> > beforewisdom@...

> > Subject: More Background On Weston Price

> >

> > For those who haven't been keeping up the Weston

> > Price foundation is an

> > organization that condemns vegetarianism and

> > advocates the eating of

> > large quantities of animal products for health.

> >

> > Here is a small tidbit about the founder from

> > quackwatch.com

> >

> >

> >

>http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/holisticdent.html

> >

> > Steve

> >

>

>

>__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

> This is the kind of stuff that my vegetarian " friends "

> send me. I just don't respond at all any more. How

> many times can I say, " I did it for 18 years and I got

> sick. S-I-C-K. " Have any of you read the article

> posted on the link?

The article says, " ... Weston A. Price (1870-1948), a dentist who

maintained that sugar causes not only tooth decay but physical,

mental, moral and social decay as well. "

You might suggest that your vegetatian " friends " read " Nutrition and

Physical Degeneration " before passing judgement on Weston Price based

on anything Barrett says. If they don't want to read it, I

suggest you read it to them. If they have better comprehension skills

than Mr. Barrett, they will realize that Weston Price was able to

demonstrate that physical and mental improvements could occur while

cavities were being remineralized over even when the diet was high in

refined sugar.

The article also says, " Price made a whirlwind tour of primitive

areas, examined the natives superficially, and jumped to simplistic

conclusions. " I just had to put this in because I laughed when I read

it.

If you challenge your " friends " with actual evidence, I am sure they

will soon want to change the subject.

> > ATTACHMENT part 2.2.2 message/rfc822

> > Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:15:32 -0500

> > From: Steve <spamblock@a...>

> > Organization: Gravitational Research Institute

> > beforewisdom@y...

> > Subject: More Background On Weston Price

> >

> > For those who haven't been keeping up the Weston

> > Price foundation is an

> > organization that condemns vegetarianism and

> > advocates the eating of

> > large quantities of animal products for health.

> >

> > Here is a small tidbit about the founder from

> > quackwatch.com

> >

> >

> >

> http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/holisticdent.html

> >

> > Steve

So this guy, Steve, gives Weston Price remarkable powers. Apparently,

from his statement above, Steve believes that Weston Price, who died

in 1948 (see the quote above from the article Steve told you to

read), was able to start the Weston Price Foundation some 50 years

after his death. Amazing.

With respect to Barrett, some time ago I sent him an e-mail

asking him why he called AIDS a disease when I thought it was a

syndrome. In a long winded reply he said it was sometimes ok to call

a syndrome a disease. Apparently he supports the hypothesis that HIV

causes AIDS even though there has never been a scientific paper that

proves that HIV causes AIDS or that establishes that HIV is even the

probable cause of AIDS. I wonder what he calls someone who supports

medical treatments based on a scientifically unproven hypothesis?

A " quack " perhaps?

Chi

[Guest guest]

This is exactly how I deal with info on his site. When I search the Internet

for something, it sometimes leads me to his site. And if he condemns it, I

think to myself " This is probably good " .

Roman

drmichaelmarasco wrote:

> Here is a rule of thumb for everyone to follow...

>

> If Barrett condemns something you should learn about it

> as quickly as possible and implement it immediately.

>

> If he is in support of something and feels it is viable you

> should turn and run away as fast as possible.

>

> Don't even waste your time or energy with this guy. The quack is him.

>

> DMM

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[Guest guest]

Loril,

Since Barrett has lost his licence and been discredited, the main person

from Quackwatch doing most of the testifying, releases is Baratz. For

a rebuttyl by Haley, etc. of Baratz very strange testimony on mercury before the

Florida Dental Board, see www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/rbaratz.html

Baratz came out looking rather foolish, I think you will agree. He was at the

hearing but when asked if he had comments on Haley's and my testimony, he

declined.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

What do you all think of Dr Day .com or Trudeau's book - " Natural

Cures they don't want you to know about " .?

In a message dated 9/30/2005 3:55:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

writes:

Message: 5

Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:27:57 -0400

From: " Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. " <bruce@...>

Subject: RE: Re: Quackwatch alternative cancer guide

There are many, many sources of information on alternative therapies that do

work. Quackwatch is maintained by someone who has absolutely no knowledge

of alternative therapies and does not wish to gain any.

I attempted to write to him once and cited over 70 published studies as

listed in PUBMED and the only response was that they were all " Junk Science "

and flawed, therefore not worth reading.

There is no viable use for Barrett or Quackwatch that I am aware of.

It will do nothing but muddy the waters with his own brand of stupidity.

Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D.

Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc.

http://www.survivecancer.net

Janet Macy

_http://www.eHypnotism.com_ (http://www.ehypnotism.com/)

949-460-0780

Orange County, CA

[Guest guest]

Hi Ian,

You¹re a bit biased towards conventional medicine...

IMHO conventional medicine is very guilty of playing the scare tactics on a

scale far larger than any of these so-called ³quacks².

Witness the breast exam and prostate cancer tests disguised under the

laughable label of ³prevention². How it is prevention when it is discovery

is beyond me.

You say ³people with cancer are desperate, so desperate they will buy things

based upon hope²

Let look at this scenario based on your above statement:

A person is diagnosed with cancer. IMMEDIATELY the doctor says he needs

treatment. The victim is automatically on conveyor belt of treatments and it

is the fear of cancer that does that. There is NO cancer that has to be

treated NOW as implied by conventional medicine.

The correct approach is to take a few weeks or months to look at the

alternatives. What¹s the difference? Conventional medicine has a poor record

with cancer.

A cancer victim normally looks at alternative treatments AFTER he has been

CONNED by conventional medicine ­ I say you¹re too harsh in saying that they

are desperate and therefore gullible. When you have cancer you¹re always

desperate ­ that¹s why conventional medicine can suck people in with the

fear.

Am I against conventional medicine?

Hardly. I think to heal one needs to keep one's options open. Conventional

doctors, by being blinkered, are poor healers as they refuse to embrace a wider

range of options.

My problem is that as you say ³So doctors will be reticent about 'claims' of

'cures' based upon very selective evidence.² - I can rebut you with: *but the

doctors accept the selective evidence of drug companies.*

I will even go so far as to say that doctors define ³evidence-based science²

as being only done by drug companies.

Nice discussion. We¹re all after the same goal - health.

Victor Liew

[Guest guest]

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