RE: Healing R/A via Natural Medicine

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy:

It is my plan to keep the group informed of this Doc's approach to naturally

healing R/A.  He won't give me a recovery time frame because everyone is

different (e.g. age, gender, nutrient absorbtion ability)...all he will say is

'it will take time. "   Well, since A/P takes on average of 8 months

before really positive results are realized, I figured I may as well try the

natural healing approach first (least toxic) and if necessary, get a referral to

one of his open minded MD friends who I hope will write the RX for Minocin and

LDN.

As far as getting Minocin from Canada, the only way is on line (you complete

their order form, pay by credit card usually and then have to mail them the

original prescription.  Try www.buylowdrugs.com (about $168/100 capsules).  I

did find another Canadian website that had Minocin for abount $148/100 capsules

but I don't have that info in front of my write now. I will send a follow-up

email with this info.

All the best,

Diane Springob

________________________________

From: kathy hunt <rollercoaster120@...>

rheumatic

Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:21:33 AM

Subject: RE: rheumatic Fw: Important Details You Need to Know About Arthritis

Hi Diane:  I have been reading a book by a Dr. Furhman who claims to heal RA by

fasting and diet..  He is located in New Jersey.  I would love to hear about

your  results with the chiropractor/nutritionalists  Thanks, Kathy

> rheumatic

> From: springobd@...

> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 05:05:21 -0800

> Subject: Re: rheumatic Fw: Important Details You Need to Know About

Arthritis

>

> Hi, :

>

> Thanks for sending such a great wonderful email. More importantly, I am so

very happy to hear you are doing so well on LDN. Your positive progress I am

sure has given every one in this group a very, very bright ray of hope --

especially those for which A/P had or has stopped working to some degree.

>

> You are so lucky to be able to see Dr. Franco. I'm a little bit jealous

because here in Cleveland, doctors' doors are slamming in my face left and right

when I mention Dr. Brown's A/P. They all seem to be afraid of or perhaps are not

permitted to practice anything other than " standard medical procedures " for R/A.

Imagine, I live in the shadow of the Cleveland Clinic and cannot find any doc to

help me!

>

> I've reached the point where I'm going to see a doc (chiropractor by

education) who is so anti-Big Pharma it would make your head spin (of course

chiropractors cannot write prescriptions). Fortunately, he also has an extensive

educational background in nutrition and 'claims' he successfully treats R/A all

the time using supplements/diet modification to straighten out one's immune

system to knock off any infections; and this to some degree makes sense to me.

He also determines if there are any hidden allergies that may be compromising

the immune system using the ELISA blood test (Enzyme-Linked ImmunoSorbant Assay)

which from I've been able to determine is quite sensitive. The good thing about

this guy is if it is determined he cannot help me or if I insist, he does have

other 'conventional' docs to whom he refers patients -- supposedly these docs

are not hard-core conventional but rather always try to take the least harmful

approach and are open to new

> ideas. This, at least, will give me a friendly back door entrance to pursuing

A/P. Heaven know the Cleveland Clinic docs and those of the other major research

hospitals in this are really do not want to talk to me. I will update the group

after my Feb 28th appointment with this doc. If this nutritional method bombs

out or does not make sense, I will pursue A/P combined with LDN. I really want

to get of the methotrexate and ibuprofen.

>

> Again, , thanks for the great email and I wish you continued success with

LDN.

>

> All the very best to you!!!

>

> Diane Springob

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Andersen <david@...>

> rheumatic

> Cc: Andersen <david@...>

> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:09:05 AM

> Subject: Re: rheumatic Fw: Important Details You Need to Know About

Arthritis

>

> Thanks, Diane---I was going to give the group an update over the

> weekend, but now is good.

> I started taking 4.5mg of naltrexone on January 15; by 1/25, I noticed

> something extraordinary: I wasn't stiff in the morning, as I have been

> for 6 years. I found myself springing out of bed, stretching, and

> walking away. That is a big, big change. What I call my core strength,

> the internal perception of how my body is doing at any time, is

> definitely stronger. Dr. Franco is excited about this possibility, and

> he is using me and one other person as his lab control study; I went

> to see him Wednesday, gave him fasting blood and urine, and he is

> going to spring for in-depth testing every month to monitor our

> progress. I kind of had an emotional breakdown of sorts on that day,

> because my body, my intuition is telling me something profound is

> happening, but it's scary to open myself up to that hope---that hope

> that all of us have: that one day this 24/7/365 flu will go away. I'm

> so happy and grateful to be back on this list, and I'm newly outraged

> at the dogmatic idiocy of most doctors dealing with these conditions..

> It breaks my heart to hear y'all's tales of intransigence and

> dismissal from men (mostly men) and women who are supposed to be

> healers---who are supposed to have taken a sacred oath to do no harm,

> to care about the patient first and foremost. For the past 6 years I

> have been in a unique position:

> ---I live in a major urban area with a lot of integrative, flexible,

> forward-looking, loving health professionals

> ---I got a sizable inheritance from my mother's death at the same time

> I was struck with RA: $250,000

> ---my constitution is strong

> ---I have never been afraid to think outside the box

> ---I am absolutely comfortable and familiar with using the internet

> as search tool

> ---I am not afraid to ask for help

> ---I saw clearly, early on, that most doctors have no frickin' idea

> whatsoever what an autoimmune disease is, and basically couldn't be

> bothered, and

> ---I had to be my own leader, my own health team leader, and if a

> doctor didn't accept my leadership, he or she was fired.

> ---I could choose any doctor I wanted via my insurance

> Because of the above, I have been able to work full time, have a

> beautiful, active marriage, stay deeply involved in non-profit

> activities, and grow my business..

> I see this disease as a hard gift: something that woke me up to the

> real magic in life, which is love, hope, community, and compassion. I

> am so blessed that I feel like I need to help the hundreds of

> thousands of other chronic disease sufferers that don't have the leg

> up that I have/had. I'll keep you posted on what that looks like.

> Thanks Diane, for your thoughtful follow-up. I'll keep everybody in

> the loop as my journey continues.

> Andersen

> (high sero-positive RA)

>

>

> On Feb 13, 2009, at 7:37 AM, Diane Springob wrote:

>

> > Hello, :

> >

> > I just wanted to follow-up on your Feb 2nd posting to determine if

> > you feel the naltrexone is really making a difference for you. I

> > know that Minocin (like all tetracycline drugs) will only keep an

> > organism from multiplying and that any bugs that remain have to get

> > bumped off by one's own immune system. That's probably why Dr.

> > Mercola recommends his Nutritional Typing -- to change one's diet

> > and perhaps add supplements to boost the immune system. His method

> > probably takes more time to kick in, whereas the naltrexone appears

> > to work more quickly -- and we all want to get out of pain as

> > quickly as possible. Let us know how you are doing, including side

> > effects, if any.

> >

> > It makes sense to me that those who have been on A/P for a while

> > before it stopped working possibly were doing little, if anything,

> > to boost their immune systems so perhaps the bugs rallied or else

> > there was a reinfection. This is why Lose Dose Naltrexone may

> > provide positive benefits because it boosts one's immune system.

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > Diane Springob

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Andersen <david@...>

> > rheumatic

> > Cc: Andersen <david@...>

> > Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 5:56:04 PM

> > Subject: Re: rheumatic Fw: Important Details You Need to Know

> > About Arthritis

> >

> > Hello to the group----

> > I was here and posting 6 years ago when I first got raging high sero-

> > positive RA; RF of 3000; CRP 125; sed. rate 285; one sick puppy.

> > What a journey.

> > Started AP (200mg brand-name minocin per day) in summer 2003. By

> > spring 2004 my numbers were all in half (1500/62/90. ) Then I got

> > worried about the long-term effect of the antibiotics and quit for one

> > year. Wrong move. The bugs came back twice as fierce. I restarted with

> > Minocin, plus plaquenil @200mg/day and clindamycin

> > 1200mg/day for five days IV one week per month. My numbers are going

> > back down now (1950/36/66. )

> > I saw the blurb on Mercola's email newsletter for LDN (low-dose

> > Naltrexone,) went to the site, examined it thoroughly, was convinced

> > that it couldn't hurt to try it.

> > I started 12 days ago, and about 6 days ago, realized that for the

> > first time in 6 years I'M NOT STIFF IN THE MORNING. At all.. AND I have

> > more core strength during the day. Here's a copy of an email I sent to

> > my circle almost 3 weeks ago. It's my fondest wish that it could help

> > many of you along the path to remission. Please ask any questions you

> > want to through this forum or contact me privately through my website.

> > I'll keep you all posted as a naltrexone guinea pig...

> > Best....

> >

> > www.davidandersenpi anos.com

> >

> > (sent January 9, 2009)

> > Hello, my dears---

> >

> > go here:

> >

> > http://www.lowdosen altrexone. org/

> >

> > Take a look at the results from the latest clinical trials.

> >

> > This may, MAY, be the people's revolution in the treatment of chronic

> > disease we've been waiting and praying for:

> > 1. low cost---a buck a day at retail.

> > 2. generic

> > 3. FDA approved since 1984

> > 4. in constant use since 1965, at a daily dosage between 15 and 100

> > times the dosage recommended for this protocol,

> > with no reported short or long-term negative side effects

> > 5. it is NOT an immunosuppressant; it's a natural immune system

> > BOOSTER

> > 6. spectacular, even extraordinary results in trial after trial around

> > the world, and just beginning to be tested more and more intensively

> > 7. reputable, successful, mainstream integrative physicians on board

> >

> > I've started my own nightly dose; please send me your best energy;

> > I'll keep you posted.

> >

> > I aggressively hope and entreat you to take some time to look into

> > this and spread it around; it just may cause a radical positive change

> > in the life of people you love. Please take this seriously; I don't

> > speak lightly or frivolously about these topics.

> >

> > My best to you

> >

> >

> > On Jan 31, 2009, at 8:35 AM, Diane Springob wrote:

> >

> > > Hello to The Group:

> > > I subscribe to ph Mercola's free newsletter in which he has some

> > > very informative articles. Dr. Mercola is an advocate of Dr.

> > > Brown's A/P protocol which he had modified over the years with his

> > > Nutritional Typing process which he claims speeds up the process.

> > > My guess is that with targeted nutrition and supplements (which he

> > > does sell), one's own immune system is ramped up in order to kill

> > > any remaining mycoplasma organimsm. Remember - tetracycline

> > > antiobiotics like Minocin are bacterialSTATIC, meaning they keep the

> > > bugs from multiplying so the immune system can kill off remaining

> > > bugs. Penicillin type antibiotics are bacterialCIDAL -- meaning

> > > they kill the bugs themselves.

> > >

> > > Anyways, click the link to the first article and watch the video.

> > > Also click the link to Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) and watch that

> > > video. There is also a website, www.lowdosenaltrexo ne.org worth

> > > checking out. Perhaps Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) represents another

> > > fairly safe weapon anyone with rheumatic disease can use to really

> > > win the 'war' in which we are unwilliing participants.

> > >

> > > All the best,

> > >

> > > Diane Springob

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Diane, I look forward to hearing how your appointment goes.. I am also in Ohio

(Youngstown).. I go to Dr. who is located in Cleveland (Parma,

actually) and she prescribes and believes in AP. She is a DO and not an MD but

she can write the script for Minocin. If you need to find a doctor she will be

able to help you and she is near you.

Get well..

Tom

From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf Of

Diane Springob

Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:32 AM

rheumatic

Subject: Re: rheumatic Healing R/A via Natural Medicine

Hi Kathy:

It is my plan to keep the group informed of this Doc's approach to naturally

healing R/A. He won't give me a recovery time frame because everyone is

different (e.g. age, gender, nutrient absorbtion ability)...all he will say is

'it will take time. " Well, since A/P takes on average of 8 months before really

positive results are realized, I figured I may as well try the natural healing

approach first (least toxic) and if necessary, get a referral to one of his open

minded MD friends who I hope will write the RX for Minocin and LDN.

As far as getting Minocin from Canada, the only way is on line (you complete

their order form, pay by credit card usually and then have to mail them the

original prescription. Try www.buylowdrugs.com (about $168/100 capsules). I

did find another Canadian website that had Minocin for abount $148/100 capsules

but I don't have that info in front of my write now. I will send a follow-up

email with this info.

All the best,

Diane Springob

________________________________

From: kathy hunt <rollercoaster120@...

<mailto:rollercoaster120%40hotmail.com> >

rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:21:33 AM

Subject: RE: rheumatic Fw: Important Details You Need to Know About Arthritis

Hi Diane: I have been reading a book by a Dr. Furhman who claims to heal RA by

fasting and diet.. He is located in New Jersey. I would love to hear about

your results with the chiropractor/nutritionalists Thanks, Kathy

> rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

> From: springobd@... <mailto:springobd%40>

> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 05:05:21 -0800

> Subject: Re: rheumatic Fw: Important Details You Need to Know About

Arthritis

>

> Hi, :

>

> Thanks for sending such a great wonderful email. More importantly, I am so

very happy to hear you are doing so well on LDN. Your positive progress I am

sure has given every one in this group a very, very bright ray of hope --

especially those for which A/P had or has stopped working to some degree.

>

> You are so lucky to be able to see Dr. Franco. I'm a little bit jealous

because here in Cleveland, doctors' doors are slamming in my face left and right

when I mention Dr. Brown's A/P. They all seem to be afraid of or perhaps are not

permitted to practice anything other than " standard medical procedures " for R/A.

Imagine, I live in the shadow of the Cleveland Clinic and cannot find any doc to

help me!

>

> I've reached the point where I'm going to see a doc (chiropractor by

education) who is so anti-Big Pharma it would make your head spin (of course

chiropractors cannot write prescriptions). Fortunately, he also has an extensive

educational background in nutrition and 'claims' he successfully treats R/A all

the time using supplements/diet modification to straighten out one's immune

system to knock off any infections; and this to some degree makes sense to me.

He also determines if there are any hidden allergies that may be compromising

the immune system using the ELISA blood test (Enzyme-Linked ImmunoSorbant Assay)

which from I've been able to determine is quite sensitive. The good thing about

this guy is if it is determined he cannot help me or if I insist, he does have

other 'conventional' docs to whom he refers patients -- supposedly these docs

are not hard-core conventional but rather always try to take the least harmful

approach and are open to new

> ideas. This, at least, will give me a friendly back door entrance to pursuing

A/P. Heaven know the Cleveland Clinic docs and those of the other major research

hospitals in this are really do not want to talk to me. I will update the group

after my Feb 28th appointment with this doc. If this nutritional method bombs

out or does not make sense, I will pursue A/P combined with LDN. I really want

to get of the methotrexate and ibuprofen.

>

> Again, , thanks for the great email and I wish you continued success with

LDN.

>

> All the very best to you!!!

>

> Diane Springob

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Andersen <david@...

<mailto:david%40davidandersenpianos.com> >

> rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

> Cc: Andersen <david@...

<mailto:david%40davidandersenpianos.com> >

> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:09:05 AM

> Subject: Re: rheumatic Fw: Important Details You Need to Know About

Arthritis

>

> Thanks, Diane---I was going to give the group an update over the

> weekend, but now is good.

> I started taking 4.5mg of naltrexone on January 15; by 1/25, I noticed

> something extraordinary: I wasn't stiff in the morning, as I have been

> for 6 years. I found myself springing out of bed, stretching, and

> walking away. That is a big, big change. What I call my core strength,

> the internal perception of how my body is doing at any time, is

> definitely stronger. Dr. Franco is excited about this possibility, and

> he is using me and one other person as his lab control study; I went

> to see him Wednesday, gave him fasting blood and urine, and he is

> going to spring for in-depth testing every month to monitor our

> progress. I kind of had an emotional breakdown of sorts on that day,

> because my body, my intuition is telling me something profound is

> happening, but it's scary to open myself up to that hope---that hope

> that all of us have: that one day this 24/7/365 flu will go away. I'm

> so happy and grateful to be back on this list, and I'm newly outraged

> at the dogmatic idiocy of most doctors dealing with these conditions..

> It breaks my heart to hear y'all's tales of intransigence and

> dismissal from men (mostly men) and women who are supposed to be

> healers---who are supposed to have taken a sacred oath to do no harm,

> to care about the patient first and foremost. For the past 6 years I

> have been in a unique position:

> ---I live in a major urban area with a lot of integrative, flexible,

> forward-looking, loving health professionals

> ---I got a sizable inheritance from my mother's death at the same time

> I was struck with RA: $250,000

> ---my constitution is strong

> ---I have never been afraid to think outside the box

> ---I am absolutely comfortable and familiar with using the internet

> as search tool

> ---I am not afraid to ask for help

> ---I saw clearly, early on, that most doctors have no frickin' idea

> whatsoever what an autoimmune disease is, and basically couldn't be

> bothered, and

> ---I had to be my own leader, my own health team leader, and if a

> doctor didn't accept my leadership, he or she was fired.

> ---I could choose any doctor I wanted via my insurance

> Because of the above, I have been able to work full time, have a

> beautiful, active marriage, stay deeply involved in non-profit

> activities, and grow my business..

> I see this disease as a hard gift: something that woke me up to the

> real magic in life, which is love, hope, community, and compassion. I

> am so blessed that I feel like I need to help the hundreds of

> thousands of other chronic disease sufferers that don't have the leg

> up that I have/had. I'll keep you posted on what that looks like.

> Thanks Diane, for your thoughtful follow-up. I'll keep everybody in

> the loop as my journey continues.

> Andersen

> (high sero-positive RA)

>

>

> On Feb 13, 2009, at 7:37 AM, Diane Springob wrote:

>

> > Hello, :

> >

> > I just wanted to follow-up on your Feb 2nd posting to determine if

> > you feel the naltrexone is really making a difference for you. I

> > know that Minocin (like all tetracycline drugs) will only keep an

> > organism from multiplying and that any bugs that remain have to get

> > bumped off by one's own immune system. That's probably why Dr.

> > Mercola recommends his Nutritional Typing -- to change one's diet

> > and perhaps add supplements to boost the immune system. His method

> > probably takes more time to kick in, whereas the naltrexone appears

> > to work more quickly -- and we all want to get out of pain as

> > quickly as possible. Let us know how you are doing, including side

> > effects, if any.

> >

> > It makes sense to me that those who have been on A/P for a while

> > before it stopped working possibly were doing little, if anything,

> > to boost their immune systems so perhaps the bugs rallied or else

> > there was a reinfection. This is why Lose Dose Naltrexone may

> > provide positive benefits because it boosts one's immune system.

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > Diane Springob

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Andersen <david@...

<mailto:david%40davidandersenpianos.com> >

> > rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

> > Cc: Andersen <david@...

<mailto:david%40davidandersenpianos.com> >

> > Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 5:56:04 PM

> > Subject: Re: rheumatic Fw: Important Details You Need to Know

> > About Arthritis

> >

> > Hello to the group----

> > I was here and posting 6 years ago when I first got raging high sero-

> > positive RA; RF of 3000; CRP 125; sed. rate 285; one sick puppy.

> > What a journey.

> > Started AP (200mg brand-name minocin per day) in summer 2003. By

> > spring 2004 my numbers were all in half (1500/62/90. ) Then I got

> > worried about the long-term effect of the antibiotics and quit for one

> > year. Wrong move. The bugs came back twice as fierce. I restarted with

> > Minocin, plus plaquenil @200mg/day and clindamycin

> > 1200mg/day for five days IV one week per month. My numbers are going

> > back down now (1950/36/66. )

> > I saw the blurb on Mercola's email newsletter for LDN (low-dose

> > Naltrexone,) went to the site, examined it thoroughly, was convinced

> > that it couldn't hurt to try it.

> > I started 12 days ago, and about 6 days ago, realized that for the

> > first time in 6 years I'M NOT STIFF IN THE MORNING. At all.. AND I have

> > more core strength during the day. Here's a copy of an email I sent to

> > my circle almost 3 weeks ago. It's my fondest wish that it could help

> > many of you along the path to remission. Please ask any questions you

> > want to through this forum or contact me privately through my website.

> > I'll keep you all posted as a naltrexone guinea pig...

> > Best....

> >

> > www.davidandersenpi anos.com

> >

> > (sent January 9, 2009)

> > Hello, my dears---

> >

> > go here:

> >

> > http://www.lowdosen altrexone. org/

> >

> > Take a look at the results from the latest clinical trials.

> >

> > This may, MAY, be the people's revolution in the treatment of chronic

> > disease we've been waiting and praying for:

> > 1. low cost---a buck a day at retail.

> > 2. generic

> > 3. FDA approved since 1984

> > 4. in constant use since 1965, at a daily dosage between 15 and 100

> > times the dosage recommended for this protocol,

> > with no reported short or long-term negative side effects

> > 5. it is NOT an immunosuppressant; it's a natural immune system

> > BOOSTER

> > 6. spectacular, even extraordinary results in trial after trial around

> > the world, and just beginning to be tested more and more intensively

> > 7. reputable, successful, mainstream integrative physicians on board

> >

> > I've started my own nightly dose; please send me your best energy;

> > I'll keep you posted.

> >

> > I aggressively hope and entreat you to take some time to look into

> > this and spread it around; it just may cause a radical positive change

> > in the life of people you love. Please take this seriously; I don't

> > speak lightly or frivolously about these topics.

> >

> > My best to you

> >

> >

> > On Jan 31, 2009, at 8:35 AM, Diane Springob wrote:

> >

> > > Hello to The Group:

> > > I subscribe to ph Mercola's free newsletter in which he has some

> > > very informative articles. Dr. Mercola is an advocate of Dr.

> > > Brown's A/P protocol which he had modified over the years with his

> > > Nutritional Typing process which he claims speeds up the process.

> > > My guess is that with targeted nutrition and supplements (which he

> > > does sell), one's own immune system is ramped up in order to kill

> > > any remaining mycoplasma organimsm. Remember - tetracycline

> > > antiobiotics like Minocin are bacterialSTATIC, meaning they keep the

> > > bugs from multiplying so the immune system can kill off remaining

> > > bugs. Penicillin type antibiotics are bacterialCIDAL -- meaning

> > > they kill the bugs themselves.

> > >

> > > Anyways, click the link to the first article and watch the video.

> > > Also click the link to Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) and watch that

> > > video. There is also a website, www.lowdosenaltrexo ne.org worth

> > > checking out. Perhaps Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) represents another

> > > fairly safe weapon anyone with rheumatic disease can use to really

> > > win the 'war' in which we are unwilliing participants.

> > >

> > > All the best,

> > >

> > > Diane Springob

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Subject: Important Details You Need to Know About Arthritis

> > >

> > >

> > > Please use this link if you are having problems reading this

> > > newsletter:

> > > http://articles. mercola.com/ sites/current.. aspx

> > > January 31, 2009 - Issue 1221 The newsletters are also available via

> > > RSS: http://rss.mercola. com/NL/rss.. aspx

> > > Don't Make This Mistake With Your Friendly Bacteria...

> > > Trillions of beneficial bacteria live in your gut. And since your

> > > gut provides 80% of your immune function, good digestive support is

> > > crucial to your optimal health.

> > > See how to quickly and easily feed your beneficial bacteria ...*

> > > Get FREE SHIPPING on your ENTIRE ORDER!

> > >

> > > Important Details You Need to Know About Arthritis

> > > How to safely and effectively treat this common health problem

> > > without the use of expensive and dangerous drugs.

> > >

> > > An Important Letter About Trust

> > > Social realities may prevent your physician from providing you with

> > > the care you need and they know will work.

> > >

> > > The Most Amazing Tech Improvement This Year

> > > Shocking improvement in storage card capacity in the near future.

> > >

> > > Now They are Hiding Cell Phone Towers in Schools and Churches

> > > What types of risks do these cell phone towers pose to your

> > children?

> > >

> > > Wall Street Journal Gives BIG Thumbs Up to Good Bacteria

> > > The importance of beneficial bacteria has finally gone mainstream

> > > are you getting enough?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > If You're Getting Older, You Need Something More than Regular

> > CoQ10...

> > >

> > > When you're younger, your body absorbs energy-producing CoQ10 just

> > > fine. But if you're one of the older crowd, not only does your

> > > body's CoQ10 production decrease, so does the ingredient responsible

> > > for your cellular energy -- ubiquinol.. So, I've found a stable form

> > > of ubiquinol proven to be crucial for your cellular energy.*

> > > What Centuries-Old Natural Protein Can Help Boost Your Energy and

> > > Your Health?*

> > >

> > > Eating on the run isn't the best way to meet your nutritional needs,

> > > so if you have a busy lifestyle, I recommend adding Whey Protein

> > > Powder with Aminogen to your day. You'll get the energy boost you

> > > need to keep you going, high-quality protein to revitalize your

> > > muscles after a workout, and just plain good nutrition for your

> > > overall health.*

> > > Healthier Skin Care Ingredients Leads to Naturally Healthy Skin

> > >

> > > Your skin is your largest organ -- and the most visible! Here's what

> > > you should know about supporting radiantly healthy and beautiful

> > > skin all year long -- no matter what your skin type.

> > >

> > > Shop online securely from the convenience of your home and save time

> > > and money. I guarantee the quality of our products, if you have any

> > > problems or concerns, contact customer service at:

> > > US Phone Orders -

> > > Please call 877.985.2695

> > > Int'l Phone Orders -

> > > Please call 847.252.4355

> > >

> > > Learn Bioenergetic Testing From the Leading Expert...

> > > Considered one of the leading experts on heavy metal toxicity, Dr.

> > > Dietrich Klinghardt's courses teach non-invasive techniques for

> > > detecting and treating the underlying causes of illness.

> > >

> > > No Cooking ‘Know-How’ Arsenal is Complete Without this Versatile

> > > Favorite!

> > > Luci Lock keeps this fabulous basic white sauce recipe handy in her

> > > bag of culinary tricks...

> > > * These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug

> > > Administration.

> > > This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any

> > > disease. Subscribe Now! Unsubscribe

> > > © Copyright Dr. ph Mercola, 2009.. . This

> > > content may be copied in full, as long as copyright, contact, and

> > > creation information is given, only if used only in a not-for-profit

> > > format. If possible, I would also appreciate an endorsement and

> > > encouragement to subscribe to the newsletter. If any other use is

> > > desired, written permission is required. Mercola.com

> > > 3200 West Higgins Road

> > > Hoffman Estates, IL 60169

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Tom:

I am aware of , D.O. who was referred by either Road Back.org or

Rheumatic.org.  I called  because it was my understanding she controls her

own R/A on Dr. Brown's A/P.  However, I tried several times to schedule an

appointment to see her  -- left voice mail messages asking that she call me

back -- but I never got a return call.  Her office hours are limited -- I

believe two days/week -- and perhaps this is because her specialy is Rehab

medicine...probably spends most of her time at the hospital.  If push comes to

shove, I will try to schedule an appointment with her again. Another MD

referred was a , M.D. in Euclid, Ohio.  However, then I called to

schedule an appointment with him, I was told he no longer practices A/P " because

it does not work. "    

Thanks just the same for the info.

All the best,

Diane Springob

 

________________________________

From: Tom <tscott2340@...>

rheumatic

Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 11:01:30 AM

Subject: RE: rheumatic Healing R/A via Natural Medicine

Diane, I look forward to hearing how your appointment goes.. I am also in Ohio

(Youngstown) .. I go to Dr. who is located in Cleveland (Parma,

actually) and she prescribes and believes in AP. She is a DO and not an MD but

she can write the script for Minocin. If you need to find a doctor she will be

able to help you and she is near you.

Get well..

Tom

From: rheumatic@grou ps.com [mailto:rheumatic@grou ps.com] On Behalf

Of Diane Springob

Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:32 AM

rheumatic@grou ps.com

Subject: Re: rheumatic Healing R/A via Natural Medicine

Hi Kathy:

It is my plan to keep the group informed of this Doc's approach to naturally

healing R/A. He won't give me a recovery time frame because everyone is

different (e.g. age, gender, nutrient absorbtion ability)...all he will say is

'it will take time. " Well, since A/P takes on average of 8 months before really

positive results are realized, I figured I may as well try the natural healing

approach first (least toxic) and if necessary, get a referral to one of his open

minded MD friends who I hope will write the RX for Minocin and LDN.

As far as getting Minocin from Canada, the only way is on line (you complete

their order form, pay by credit card usually and then have to mail them the

original prescription. Try www.buylowdrugs. com (about $168/100 capsules). I did

find another Canadian website that had Minocin for abount $148/100 capsules but

I don't have that info in front of my write now. I will send a follow-up email

with this info.

All the best,

Diane Springob

____________ _________ _________ __

From: kathy hunt <rollercoaster120@ hotmail.com <mailto:rollercoast

er120%40hotmail. com> >

rheumatic@grou ps.com <mailto:rheumatic% 40groups. com>

Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:21:33 AM

Subject: RE: rheumatic Fw: Important Details You Need to Know About Arthritis

Hi Diane: I have been reading a book by a Dr. Furhman who claims to heal RA by

fasting and diet.. He is located in New Jersey. I would love to hear about your

results with the chiropractor/ nutritionalists Thanks, Kathy

> rheumatic@grou ps.com <mailto:rheumatic% 40groups. com>

> From: springobd (DOT) com <mailto:springobd% 40>

> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 05:05:21 -0800

> Subject: Re: rheumatic Fw: Important Details You Need to Know About

Arthritis

>

> Hi, :

>

> Thanks for sending such a great wonderful email. More importantly, I am so

very happy to hear you are doing so well on LDN. Your positive progress I am

sure has given every one in this group a very, very bright ray of hope --

especially those for which A/P had or has stopped working to some degree.

>

> You are so lucky to be able to see Dr. Franco. I'm a little bit jealous

because here in Cleveland, doctors' doors are slamming in my face left and right

when I mention Dr. Brown's A/P. They all seem to be afraid of or perhaps are not

permitted to practice anything other than " standard medical procedures " for R/A.

Imagine, I live in the shadow of the Cleveland Clinic and cannot find any doc to

help me!

>

> I've reached the point where I'm going to see a doc (chiropractor by

education) who is so anti-Big Pharma it would make your head spin (of course

chiropractors cannot write prescriptions) . Fortunately, he also has an

extensive educational background in nutrition and 'claims' he successfully

treats R/A all the time using supplements/ diet modification to straighten out

one's immune system to knock off any infections; and this to some degree makes

sense to me. He also determines if there are any hidden allergies that may be

compromising the immune system using the ELISA blood test (Enzyme-Linked

ImmunoSorbant Assay) which from I've been able to determine is quite sensitive.

The good thing about this guy is if it is determined he cannot help me or if I

insist, he does have other 'conventional' docs to whom he refers patients --

supposedly these docs are not hard-core conventional but rather always try to

take the least harmful approach and are open to new

> ideas. This, at least, will give me a friendly back door entrance to pursuing

A/P. Heaven know the Cleveland Clinic docs and those of the other major research

hospitals in this are really do not want to talk to me. I will update the group

after my Feb 28th appointment with this doc. If this nutritional method bombs

out or does not make sense, I will pursue A/P combined with LDN. I really want

to get of the methotrexate and ibuprofen.

>

> Again, , thanks for the great email and I wish you continued success with

LDN.

>

> All the very best to you!!!

>

> Diane Springob

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Andersen <david@davidandersen pianos.com <mailto:david%

40davidandersenp ianos.com> >

> rheumatic@grou ps.com <mailto:rheumatic% 40groups. com>

> Cc: Andersen <david@davidandersen pianos.com <mailto:david%

40davidandersenp ianos.com> >

> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:09:05 AM

> Subject: Re: rheumatic Fw: Important Details You Need to Know About

Arthritis

>

> Thanks, Diane---I was going to give the group an update over the

> weekend, but now is good.

> I started taking 4.5mg of naltrexone on January 15; by 1/25, I noticed

> something extraordinary: I wasn't stiff in the morning, as I have been

> for 6 years. I found myself springing out of bed, stretching, and

> walking away. That is a big, big change. What I call my core strength,

> the internal perception of how my body is doing at any time, is

> definitely stronger. Dr. Franco is excited about this possibility, and

> he is using me and one other person as his lab control study; I went

> to see him Wednesday, gave him fasting blood and urine, and he is

> going to spring for in-depth testing every month to monitor our

> progress. I kind of had an emotional breakdown of sorts on that day,

> because my body, my intuition is telling me something profound is

> happening, but it's scary to open myself up to that hope---that hope

> that all of us have: that one day this 24/7/365 flu will go away. I'm

> so happy and grateful to be back on this list, and I'm newly outraged

> at the dogmatic idiocy of most doctors dealing with these conditions...

> It breaks my heart to hear y'all's tales of intransigence and

> dismissal from men (mostly men) and women who are supposed to be

> healers---who are supposed to have taken a sacred oath to do no harm,

> to care about the patient first and foremost. For the past 6 years I

> have been in a unique position:

> ---I live in a major urban area with a lot of integrative, flexible,

> forward-looking, loving health professionals

> ---I got a sizable inheritance from my mother's death at the same time

> I was struck with RA: $250,000

> ---my constitution is strong

> ---I have never been afraid to think outside the box

> ---I am absolutely comfortable and familiar with using the internet

> as search tool

> ---I am not afraid to ask for help

> ---I saw clearly, early on, that most doctors have no frickin' idea

> whatsoever what an autoimmune disease is, and basically couldn't be

> bothered, and

> ---I had to be my own leader, my own health team leader, and if a

> doctor didn't accept my leadership, he or she was fired.

> ---I could choose any doctor I wanted via my insurance

> Because of the above, I have been able to work full time, have a

> beautiful, active marriage, stay deeply involved in non-profit

> activities, and grow my business..

> I see this disease as a hard gift: something that woke me up to the

> real magic in life, which is love, hope, community, and compassion. I

> am so blessed that I feel like I need to help the hundreds of

> thousands of other chronic disease sufferers that don't have the leg

> up that I have/had. I'll keep you posted on what that looks like.

> Thanks Diane, for your thoughtful follow-up. I'll keep everybody in

> the loop as my journey continues.

> Andersen

> (high sero-positive RA)

>

>

> On Feb 13, 2009, at 7:37 AM, Diane Springob wrote:

>

> > Hello, :

> >

> > I just wanted to follow-up on your Feb 2nd posting to determine if

> > you feel the naltrexone is really making a difference for you. I

> > know that Minocin (like all tetracycline drugs) will only keep an

> > organism from multiplying and that any bugs that remain have to get

> > bumped off by one's own immune system. That's probably why Dr.

> > Mercola recommends his Nutritional Typing -- to change one's diet

> > and perhaps add supplements to boost the immune system. His method

> > probably takes more time to kick in, whereas the naltrexone appears

> > to work more quickly -- and we all want to get out of pain as

> > quickly as possible. Let us know how you are doing, including side

> > effects, if any.

> >

> > It makes sense to me that those who have been on A/P for a while

> > before it stopped working possibly were doing little, if anything,

> > to boost their immune systems so perhaps the bugs rallied or else

> > there was a reinfection. This is why Lose Dose Naltrexone may

> > provide positive benefits because it boosts one's immune system.

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > Diane Springob

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: Andersen <david@davidandersen pianos.com <mailto:david%

40davidandersenp ianos.com> >

> > rheumatic@grou ps.com <mailto:rheumatic% 40groups. com>

> > Cc: Andersen <david@davidandersen pianos.com <mailto:david%

40davidandersenp ianos.com> >

> > Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 5:56:04 PM

> > Subject: Re: rheumatic Fw: Important Details You Need to Know

> > About Arthritis

> >

> > Hello to the group----

> > I was here and posting 6 years ago when I first got raging high sero-

> > positive RA; RF of 3000; CRP 125; sed. rate 285; one sick puppy..

> > What a journey.

> > Started AP (200mg brand-name minocin per day) in summer 2003. By

> > spring 2004 my numbers were all in half (1500/62/90. ) Then I got

> > worried about the long-term effect of the antibiotics and quit for one

> > year. Wrong move. The bugs came back twice as fierce. I restarted with

> > Minocin, plus plaquenil @200mg/day and clindamycin

> > 1200mg/day for five days IV one week per month. My numbers are going

> > back down now (1950/36/66. )

> > I saw the blurb on Mercola's email newsletter for LDN (low-dose

> > Naltrexone,) went to the site, examined it thoroughly, was convinced

> > that it couldn't hurt to try it.

> > I started 12 days ago, and about 6 days ago, realized that for the

> > first time in 6 years I'M NOT STIFF IN THE MORNING. At all.. AND I have

> > more core strength during the day. Here's a copy of an email I sent to

> > my circle almost 3 weeks ago. It's my fondest wish that it could help

> > many of you along the path to remission. Please ask any questions you

> > want to through this forum or contact me privately through my website.

> > I'll keep you all posted as a naltrexone guinea pig...

> > Best....

> >

> > www.davidandersenpi anos.com

> >

> > (sent January 9, 2009)

> > Hello, my dears---

> >

> > go here:

> >

> > http://www.lowdosen altrexone. org/

> >

> > Take a look at the results from the latest clinical trials.

> >

> > This may, MAY, be the people's revolution in the treatment of chronic

> > disease we've been waiting and praying for:

> > 1. low cost---a buck a day at retail.

> > 2. generic

> > 3. FDA approved since 1984

> > 4. in constant use since 1965, at a daily dosage between 15 and 100

> > times the dosage recommended for this protocol,

> > with no reported short or long-term negative side effects

> > 5. it is NOT an immunosuppressant; it's a natural immune system

> > BOOSTER

> > 6. spectacular, even extraordinary results in trial after trial around

> > the world, and just beginning to be tested more and more intensively

> > 7. reputable, successful, mainstream integrative physicians on board

> >

> > I've started my own nightly dose; please send me your best energy;

> > I'll keep you posted.

> >

> > I aggressively hope and entreat you to take some time to look into

> > this and spread it around; it just may cause a radical positive change

> > in the life of people you love. Please take this seriously; I don't

> > speak lightly or frivolously about these topics.

> >

> > My best to you

> >

> >

> > On Jan 31, 2009, at 8:35 AM, Diane Springob wrote:

> >

> > > Hello to The Group:

> > > I subscribe to ph Mercola's free newsletter in which he has some

> > > very informative articles. Dr. Mercola is an advocate of Dr.

> > > Brown's A/P protocol which he had modified over the years with his

> > > Nutritional Typing process which he claims speeds up the process.

> > > My guess is that with targeted nutrition and supplements (which he

> > > does sell), one's own immune system is ramped up in order to kill

> > > any remaining mycoplasma organimsm. Remember - tetracycline

> > > antiobiotics like Minocin are bacterialSTATIC, meaning they keep the

> > > bugs from multiplying so the immune system can kill off remaining

> > > bugs. Penicillin type antibiotics are bacterialCIDAL -- meaning

> > > they kill the bugs themselves.

> > >

> > > Anyways, click the link to the first article and watch the video.

> > > Also click the link to Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) and watch that

> > > video. There is also a website, www.lowdosenaltrexo ne.org worth

> > > checking out. Perhaps Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) represents another

> > > fairly safe weapon anyone with rheumatic disease can use to really

> > > win the 'war' in which we are unwilliing participants.

> > >

> > > All the best,

> > >

> > > Diane Springob

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Subject: Important Details You Need to Know About Arthritis

> > >

> > >

> > > Please use this link if you are having problems reading this

> > > newsletter:

> > > http://articles. mercola.com/ sites/current. . aspx

> > > January 31, 2009 - Issue 1221 The newsletters are also available via

> > > RSS: http://rss.mercola. com/NL/rss.. aspx

> > > Don't Make This Mistake With Your Friendly Bacteria...

> > > Trillions of beneficial bacteria live in your gut. And since your

> > > gut provides 80% of your immune function, good digestive support is

> > > crucial to your optimal health.

> > > See how to quickly and easily feed your beneficial bacteria ...*

> > > Get FREE SHIPPING on your ENTIRE ORDER!

> > >

> > > Important Details You Need to Know About Arthritis

> > > How to safely and effectively treat this common health problem

> > > without the use of expensive and dangerous drugs.

> > >

> > > An Important Letter About Trust

> > > Social realities may prevent your physician from providing you with

> > > the care you need and they know will work.

> > >

> > > The Most Amazing Tech Improvement This Year

> > > Shocking improvement in storage card capacity in the near future.

> > >

> > > Now They are Hiding Cell Phone Towers in Schools and Churches

> > > What types of risks do these cell phone towers pose to your

> > children?

> > >

> > > Wall Street Journal Gives BIG Thumbs Up to Good Bacteria

> > > The importance of beneficial bacteria has finally gone mainstream

> > > are you getting enough?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > If You're Getting Older, You Need Something More than Regular

> > CoQ10...

> > >

> > > When you're younger, your body absorbs energy-producing CoQ10 just

> > > fine. But if you're one of the older crowd, not only does your

> > > body's CoQ10 production decrease, so does the ingredient responsible

> > > for your cellular energy -- ubiquinol.. So, I've found a stable form

> > > of ubiquinol proven to be crucial for your cellular energy.*

> > > What Centuries-Old Natural Protein Can Help Boost Your Energy and

> > > Your Health?*

> > >

> > > Eating on the run isn't the best way to meet your nutritional needs,

> > > so if you have a busy lifestyle, I recommend adding Whey Protein

> > > Powder with Aminogen to your day. You'll get the energy boost you

> > > need to keep you going, high-quality protein to revitalize your

> > > muscles after a workout, and just plain good nutrition for your

> > > overall health.*

> > > Healthier Skin Care Ingredients Leads to Naturally Healthy Skin

> > >

> > > Your skin is your largest organ -- and the most visible! Here's what

> > > you should know about supporting radiantly healthy and beautiful

> > > skin all year long -- no matter what your skin type.

> > >

> > > Shop online securely from the convenience of your home and save time

> > > and money. I guarantee the quality of our products, if you have any

> > > problems or concerns, contact customer service at:

> > > US Phone Orders -

> > > Please call 877.985.2695

> > > Int'l Phone Orders -

> > > Please call 847.252.4355

> > >

> > > Learn Bioenergetic Testing From the Leading Expert...

> > > Considered one of the leading experts on heavy metal toxicity, Dr.

> > > Dietrich Klinghardt's courses teach non-invasive techniques for

> > > detecting and treating the underlying causes of illness.

> > >

> > > No Cooking ‘Know-How’ Arsenal is Complete Without this Versatile

> > > Favorite!

> > > Luci Lock keeps this fabulous basic white sauce recipe handy in her

> > > bag of culinary tricks....

> > > * These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug

> > > Administration.

> > > This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any

> > > disease. Subscribe Now! Unsubscribe

> > > © Copyright Dr. ph Mercola, 2009.. . This

> > > content may be copied in full, as long as copyright, contact, and

> > > creation information is given, only if used only in a not-for-profit

> > > format. If possible, I would also appreciate an endorsement and

> > > encouragement to subscribe to the newsletter. If any other use is

> > > desired, written permission is required. Mercola.com

> > > 3200 West Higgins Road

> > > Hoffman Estates, IL 60169

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Yea, they aren’t real good at calling people back.. Try calling on Monday or

Thursday during business hours and you may get a hold of them..

From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf Of

Diane Springob

Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 11:23 AM

rheumatic

Subject: Re: rheumatic Healing R/A via Natural Medicine

Hi Tom:

I am aware of , D.O. who was referred by either Road Back.org or

Rheumatic.org. I called because it was my understanding she controls her own

R/A on Dr. Brown's A/P. However, I tried several times to schedule an

appointment to see her -- left voice mail messages asking that she call me back

-- but I never got a return call. Her office hours are limited -- I believe two

days/week -- and perhaps this is because her specialy is Rehab

medicine...probably spends most of her time at the hospital. If push comes to

shove, I will try to schedule an appointment with her again. Another MD referred

was a , M.D. in Euclid, Ohio. However, then I called to schedule an

appointment with him, I was told he no longer practices A/P " because it does not

work. "

Thanks just the same for the info.

All the best,

Diane Springob

________________________________

From: Tom <tscott2340@...

<mailto:tscott2340%40zoominternet.net> >

rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40>

Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 11:01:30 AM

Subject: RE: rheumatic Healing R/A via Natural Medicine

Diane, I look forward to hearing how your appointment goes.. I am also in Ohio

(Youngstown) .. I go to Dr. who is located in Cleveland (Parma,

actually) and she prescribes and believes in AP. She is a DO and not an MD but

she can write the script for Minocin. If you need to find a doctor she will be

able to help you and she is near you.

Get well..

Tom

From: rheumatic@grou ps.com [mailto:rheumatic@grou ps.com] On Behalf

Of Diane Springob

Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:32 AM

rheumatic@grou ps.com

Subject: Re: rheumatic Healing R/A via Natural Medicine

Hi Kathy:

It is my plan to keep the group informed of this Doc's approach to naturally

healing R/A. He won't give me a recovery time frame because everyone is

different (e.g. age, gender, nutrient absorbtion ability)...all he will say is

'it will take time. " Well, since A/P takes on average of 8 months before really

positive results are realized, I figured I may as well try the natural healing

approach first (least toxic) and if necessary, get a referral to one of his open

minded MD friends who I hope will write the RX for Minocin and LDN.

As far as getting Minocin from Canada, the only way is on line (you complete

their order form, pay by credit card usually and then have to mail them the

original prescription. Try www.buylowdrugs. com (about $168/100 capsules). I did

find another Canadian website that had Minocin for abount $148/100 capsules but

I don't have that info in front of my write now. I will send a follow-up email

with this info.

All the best,

Diane Springob

____________ _________ _________ __

From: kathy hunt <rollercoaster120@ hotmail.com <mailto:rollercoast

er120%40hotmail. com> >

rheumatic@grou ps.com <mailto:rheumatic% 40groups. com>

Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:21:33 AM

Subject: RE: rheumatic Fw: Important Details You Need to Know About Arthritis

Hi Diane: I have been reading a book by a Dr. Furhman who claims to heal RA by

fasting and diet.. He is located in New Jersey. I would love to hear about your

results with the chiropractor/ nutritionalists Thanks, Kathy

> rheumatic@grou ps.com <mailto:rheumatic% 40groups. com>

> From: springobd (DOT) com <mailto:springobd% 40>

> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 05:05:21 -0800

> Subject: Re: rheumatic Fw: Important Details You Need to Know About

Arthritis

>

> Hi, :

>

> Thanks for sending such a great wonderful email. More importantly, I am so

very happy to hear you are doing so well on LDN. Your positive progress I am

sure has given every one in this group a very, very bright ray of hope --

especially those for which A/P had or has stopped working to some degree.

>

> You are so lucky to be able to see Dr. Franco. I'm a little bit jealous

because here in Cleveland, doctors' doors are slamming in my face left and right

when I mention Dr. Brown's A/P. They all seem to be afraid of or perhaps are not

permitted to practice anything other than " standard medical procedures " for R/A.

Imagine, I live in the shadow of the Cleveland Clinic and cannot find any doc to

help me!

>

> I've reached the point where I'm going to see a doc (chiropractor by

education) who is so anti-Big Pharma it would make your head spin (of course

chiropractors cannot write prescriptions) . Fortunately, he also has an

extensive educational background in nutrition and 'claims' he successfully

treats R/A all the time using supplements/ diet modification to straighten out

one's immune system to knock off any infections; and this to some degree makes

sense to me. He also determines if there are any hidden allergies that may be

compromising the immune system using the ELISA blood test (Enzyme-Linked

ImmunoSorbant Assay) which from I've been able to determine is quite sensitive.

The good thing about this guy is if it is determined he cannot help me or if I

insist, he does have other 'conventional' docs to whom he refers patients --

supposedly these docs are not hard-core conventional but rather always try to

take the least harmful approach and are open to new

> ideas. This, at least, will give me a friendly back door entrance to pursuing

A/P. Heaven know the Cleveland Clinic docs and those of the other major research

hospitals in this are really do not want to talk to me. I will update the group

after my Feb 28th appointment with this doc. If this nutritional method bombs

out or does not make sense, I will pursue A/P combined with LDN. I really want

to get of the methotrexate and ibuprofen.

>

> Again, , thanks for the great email and I wish you continued success with

LDN.

>

> All the very best to you!!!

>

> Diane Springob

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Andersen <david@davidandersen pianos.com <mailto:david%

40davidandersenp ianos.com> >

> rheumatic@grou ps.com <mailto:rheumatic% 40groups. com>

> Cc: Andersen <david@davidandersen pianos.com <mailto:david%

40davidandersenp ianos.com> >

> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:09:05 AM

> Subject: Re: rheumatic Fw: Important Details You Need to Know About

Arthritis

>

> Thanks, Diane---I was going to give the group an update over the

> weekend, but now is good.

> I started taking 4.5mg of naltrexone on January 15; by 1/25, I noticed

> something extraordinary: I wasn't stiff in the morning, as I have been

> for 6 years. I found myself springing out of bed, stretching, and

> walking away. That is a big, big change. What I call my core strength,

> the internal perception of how my body is doing at any time, is

> definitely stronger. Dr. Franco is excited about this possibility, and

> he is using me and one other person as his lab control study; I went

> to see him Wednesday, gave him fasting blood and urine, and he is

> going to spring for in-depth testing every month to monitor our

> progress. I kind of had an emotional breakdown of sorts on that day,

> because my body, my intuition is telling me something profound is

> happening, but it's scary to open myself up to that hope---that hope

> that all of us have: that one day this 24/7/365 flu will go away. I'm

> so happy and grateful to be back on this list, and I'm newly outraged

> at the dogmatic idiocy of most doctors dealing with these conditions...

> It breaks my heart to hear y'all's tales of intransigence and

> dismissal from men (mostly men) and women who are supposed to be

> healers---who are supposed to have taken a sacred oath to do no harm,

> to care about the patient first and foremost. For the past 6 years I

> have been in a unique position:

> ---I live in a major urban area with a lot of integrative, flexible,

> forward-looking, loving health professionals

> ---I got a sizable inheritance from my mother's death at the same time

> I was struck with RA: $250,000

> ---my constitution is strong

> ---I have never been afraid to think outside the box

> ---I am absolutely comfortable and familiar with using the internet

> as search tool

> ---I am not afraid to ask for help

> ---I saw clearly, early on, that most doctors have no frickin' idea

> whatsoever what an autoimmune disease is, and basically couldn't be

> bothered, and

> ---I had to be my own leader, my own health team leader, and if a

> doctor didn't accept my leadership, he or she was fired.

> ---I could choose any doctor I wanted via my insurance

> Because of the above, I have been able to work full time, have a

> beautiful, active marriage, stay deeply involved in non-profit

> activities, and grow my business..

> I see this disease as a hard gift: something that woke me up to the

> real magic in life, which is love, hope, community, and compassion. I

> am so blessed that I feel like I need to help the hundreds of

> thousands of other chronic disease sufferers that don't have the leg

> up that I have/had. I'll keep you posted on what that looks like.

> Thanks Diane, for your thoughtful follow-up. I'll keep everybody in

> the loop as my journey continues.

> Andersen

> (high sero-positive RA)

>

>

> On Feb 13, 2009, at 7:37 AM, Diane Springob wrote:

>

> > Hello, :

> >

> > I just wanted to follow-up on your Feb 2nd posting to determine if

> > you feel the naltrexone is really making a difference for you. I

> > know that Minocin (like all tetracycline drugs) will only keep an

> > organism from multiplying and that any bugs that remain have to get

> > bumped off by one's own immune system. That's probably why Dr.

> > Mercola recommends his Nutritional Typing -- to change one's diet

> > and perhaps add supplements to boost the immune system. His method

> > probably takes more time to kick in, whereas the naltrexone appears

> > to work more quickly -- and we all want to get out of pain as

> > quickly as possible. Let us know how you are doing, including side

> > effects, if any.

> >

> > It makes sense to me that those who have been on A/P for a while

> > before it stopped working possibly were doing little, if anything,

> > to boost their immune systems so perhaps the bugs rallied or else

> > there was a reinfection. This is why Lose Dose Naltrexone may

> > provide positive benefits because it boosts one's immune system.

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > Diane Springob

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: Andersen <david@davidandersen pianos.com <mailto:david%

40davidandersenp ianos.com> >

> > rheumatic@grou ps.com <mailto:rheumatic% 40groups. com>

> > Cc: Andersen <david@davidandersen pianos.com <mailto:david%

40davidandersenp ianos.com> >

> > Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 5:56:04 PM

> > Subject: Re: rheumatic Fw: Important Details You Need to Know

> > About Arthritis

> >

> > Hello to the group----

> > I was here and posting 6 years ago when I first got raging high sero-

> > positive RA; RF of 3000; CRP 125; sed. rate 285; one sick puppy..

> > What a journey.

> > Started AP (200mg brand-name minocin per day) in summer 2003. By

> > spring 2004 my numbers were all in half (1500/62/90. ) Then I got

> > worried about the long-term effect of the antibiotics and quit for one

> > year. Wrong move. The bugs came back twice as fierce. I restarted with

> > Minocin, plus plaquenil @200mg/day and clindamycin

> > 1200mg/day for five days IV one week per month. My numbers are going

> > back down now (1950/36/66. )

> > I saw the blurb on Mercola's email newsletter for LDN (low-dose

> > Naltrexone,) went to the site, examined it thoroughly, was convinced

> > that it couldn't hurt to try it.

> > I started 12 days ago, and about 6 days ago, realized that for the

> > first time in 6 years I'M NOT STIFF IN THE MORNING. At all.. AND I have

> > more core strength during the day. Here's a copy of an email I sent to

> > my circle almost 3 weeks ago. It's my fondest wish that it could help

> > many of you along the path to remission. Please ask any questions you

> > want to through this forum or contact me privately through my website.

> > I'll keep you all posted as a naltrexone guinea pig...

> > Best....

> >

> > www.davidandersenpi anos.com

> >

> > (sent January 9, 2009)

> > Hello, my dears---

> >

> > go here:

> >

> > http://www.lowdosen altrexone. org/

> >

> > Take a look at the results from the latest clinical trials.

> >

> > This may, MAY, be the people's revolution in the treatment of chronic

> > disease we've been waiting and praying for:

> > 1. low cost---a buck a day at retail.

> > 2. generic

> > 3. FDA approved since 1984

> > 4. in constant use since 1965, at a daily dosage between 15 and 100

> > times the dosage recommended for this protocol,

> > with no reported short or long-term negative side effects

> > 5. it is NOT an immunosuppressant; it's a natural immune system

> > BOOSTER

> > 6. spectacular, even extraordinary results in trial after trial around

> > the world, and just beginning to be tested more and more intensively

> > 7. reputable, successful, mainstream integrative physicians on board

> >

> > I've started my own nightly dose; please send me your best energy;

> > I'll keep you posted.

> >

> > I aggressively hope and entreat you to take some time to look into

> > this and spread it around; it just may cause a radical positive change

> > in the life of people you love. Please take this seriously; I don't

> > speak lightly or frivolously about these topics.

> >

> > My best to you

> >

> >

> > On Jan 31, 2009, at 8:35 AM, Diane Springob wrote:

> >

> > > Hello to The Group:

> > > I subscribe to ph Mercola's free newsletter in which he has some

> > > very informative articles. Dr. Mercola is an advocate of Dr.

> > > Brown's A/P protocol which he had modified over the years with his

> > > Nutritional Typing process which he claims speeds up the process.

> > > My guess is that with targeted nutrition and supplements (which he

> > > does sell), one's own immune system is ramped up in order to kill

> > > any remaining mycoplasma organimsm. Remember - tetracycline

> > > antiobiotics like Minocin are bacterialSTATIC, meaning they keep the

> > > bugs from multiplying so the immune system can kill off remaining

> > > bugs. Penicillin type antibiotics are bacterialCIDAL -- meaning

> > > they kill the bugs themselves.

> > >

> > > Anyways, click the link to the first article and watch the video.

> > > Also click the link to Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) and watch that

> > > video. There is also a website, www.lowdosenaltrexo ne.org worth

> > > checking out. Perhaps Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) represents another

> > > fairly safe weapon anyone with rheumatic disease can use to really

> > > win the 'war' in which we are unwilliing participants.

> > >

> > > All the best,

> > >

> > > Diane Springob

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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