FYI

[Guest guest]

I considered going back to T4 only and may still

do that. The medical person I see now really did

not like prescribing Armour or NT, but I came to

them on it and I think they were reluctant to

go against the prior professional.

The area I live in, it is difficult to get a

doctor, period. I've been making do with the person

I see now, who I am reluctant to even call a

doctor. My recent problems, finally, caused him

to admit he can't handle this and he said he was

going to refer me to an endo. In this area, to

the best of my knowledge endos only see patients

that are referred.

If it weren't for my experience on these lists,

and finding ways to help myself I would be in big

trouble right now.

I really think the problems I had in past weeks

were related to not getting enough med due to

NatureThroid not being manufactured to be used

sublingually. I have been taking 2/3 of my dose

with breakfast for 5 days now and it's going good.

I plan to take the remaining 1/3 on the 7th day.

After sending my initial message on this and re-

reading it I wasn't sure I was clear enough that

the reason I wrote it is because I know others

were trying to take NatureThroid sublingually and

I now believe that was the source of my problems

in recent weeks. Not sure, of course, but that

is how it seems.

Abbey

>

> I had to go back to T4 only. I was getting worse on the Armour and with the

> Naturethroid out for so long and being pregnant I went back on it. I lost

> weight even with being pregnant!

> CW

>

> -- FYI

>

>

> FYI

>

> About 6 -8 weeks ago due to the Armour debacle,

> I switched to Nature-Throid. In the beginning

> myself and a few others had a problem with

> Nature-Throid's coating on the pill which made

> it difficult to take sublingually. Someone

> said they would just run it around with their

> tongue until it began to melt and I did the same

> thing. I noted, though, it never did melt like

> Armour did.

>

> I was doing great for a while, better than when

> on Armour, then all of a sudden I began to have

> problems. I thought, once again, I had become

> resistant to the meds. Cut down, but still had

> the symptoms, stopped altogether for three days

> and went in for testing. My TSH was over 20.

>

> I know from experience, it takes a lot longer

> than a few days for a TSH to go up that high,

> at least for me. I have concluded that I was

> not getting enough med due to the way Nature-

> throid is manufactured, that, if any, not

> enough gets into my system. I started taking

> it with food and so far I'm doing fine.

>

> Just thought to let you all know this in case

> anyone else is having difficulty with Nature-

> Throid.

>

> Abbey

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Seems like someone will always be trying to eliminate my supps, and I

will always have to keep writing my opposition to it! My work never ends

.. (smile)

Amy

Cooky Stonkey wrote:

>

>

> I just heard the bill to regulate vitamins and supplements FAILED!!!

> YEA!!!

>

> cooky

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pat's email is pdrimones@... I made an error.

Many have asked if we accept out of district kids. We do. We are a magnet

school program and currently house magnet Autistic, MD and PRE-K Disabled

programs. This program would also allow for children to attend who are not

residents of Ridgefield, your child study team would need to set up an

intake with our director.

Thanks,

Robyn Merkel-Walsh MA, CCC-SLP

Certified SRJ/Talk Tools Therapist /Instructor-Level 6

PROMPT Certified/Level 1

Beckman Trained

Myofunctional, Feeding and Oral Motor Therapy

fyi

>

> Dear Jeanne-

>

> As you know, I work for the Ridgefield Public Schools, in addition to my

> private practice. We are looking into piloting a new classroom for 5-8

> year olds with severe communication needs that have low average to average

> cognitive skills. This would include children with Apraxia, oral motor

> issues, high functioning Down's Syndrome and /or Cerebral Palsy.

>

> The classroom will be designed to include PROMPT, oral motor and feeding

> therapies with a teacher who also has experience working with apraxic

> children. Children should have a classification of CI, MD, LLD, or OHI to

> enter this classroom. This will not be a preschool. It is for those

> children who have issues in the mainstream setting due to severe motor

> based speech issues , but are too high functioning for a traditional self

> contained Autistic or MD class. We have speech pathologists on staff who

> have been trained in apraxia including Sara methodologies,

> Hammer, Kaufman and PROMPT training. The classroom staff will be

> trained to carryout carryover of specialized speech strategies for total

> communication throughout the day. This will be the pioneer program that

> parents are always looking for !

>

> Parents who are interested should contact myself, or Pat Drimones,

> Director of Special Education , with the Ridgefield Public Schools.

>

> robynslp95@...

> pdrimones@...

>

> Respectfully,

>

>

> Robyn Merkel-Walsh MA, CCC-SLP

> Certified SRJ/Talk Tools Therapist /Instructor-Level 6

> PROMPT Certified/Level 1

> Beckman Trained

> Myofunctional, Feeding and Oral Motor Therapy

>

>

[Guest guest]

Robyn what state are you in?

le

>

>

> Pat's email is pdrimones@... I made an error.

>

> Many have asked if we accept out of district kids. We do. We are a magnet

> school program and currently house magnet Autistic, MD and PRE-K Disabled

> programs. This program would also allow for children to attend who are not

> residents of Ridgefield, your child study team would need to set up an

> intake with our director.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

> Robyn Merkel-Walsh MA, CCC-SLP

> Certified SRJ/Talk Tools Therapist /Instructor-Level 6

> PROMPT Certified/Level 1

> Beckman Trained

> Myofunctional, Feeding and Oral Motor Therapy

>

> fyi

>

>

> >

> > Dear Jeanne-

> >

> > As you know, I work for the Ridgefield Public Schools, in addition to my

> > private practice. We are looking into piloting a new classroom for 5-8

> > year olds with severe communication needs that have low average to average

> > cognitive skills. This would include children with Apraxia, oral motor

> > issues, high functioning Down's Syndrome and /or Cerebral Palsy.

> >

> > The classroom will be designed to include PROMPT, oral motor and feeding

> > therapies with a teacher who also has experience working with apraxic

> > children. Children should have a classification of CI, MD, LLD, or OHI to

> > enter this classroom. This will not be a preschool. It is for those

> > children who have issues in the mainstream setting due to severe motor

> > based speech issues , but are too high functioning for a traditional self

> > contained Autistic or MD class. We have speech pathologists on staff who

> > have been trained in apraxia including Sara methodologies,

> > Hammer, Kaufman and PROMPT training. The classroom staff will be

> > trained to carryout carryover of specialized speech strategies for total

> > communication throughout the day. This will be the pioneer program that

> > parents are always looking for !

> >

> > Parents who are interested should contact myself, or Pat Drimones,

> > Director of Special Education , with the Ridgefield Public Schools.

> >

> > robynslp95@...

> > pdrimones@...

> >

> > Respectfully,

> >

> >

> > Robyn Merkel-Walsh MA, CCC-SLP

> > Certified SRJ/Talk Tools Therapist /Instructor-Level 6

> > PROMPT Certified/Level 1

> > Beckman Trained

> > Myofunctional, Feeding and Oral Motor Therapy

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

So, Terrie, since you charged your daughter $400.00 for her " fair shares "

were still able to claim her as a dependent on your taxes?

[Guest guest]

Marc, when it comes to a disabled adult child, if you provide more than half of

the support, you can still claim the child.

>

> So, Terrie, since you charged your daughter $400.00 for her " fair shares "

> were still able to claim her as a dependent on your taxes?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The I.R.S. has a free publication which you can download on who you can claim as

a dependent. Believe me the $674 per month that SSI gives us to care for our

children is just a pittance when it comes to the real cost of supporting them.

As long as you can show that you pay for 51% of your child's care, you can

continue to claim him/her as a dependent.

Terrie Varnet

________________________________

From: cmfinato <cmfinato@...>

IPADDUnite

Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 10:50:36 AM

Subject: Re: FYI

Marc, when it comes to a disabled adult child, if you provide more than half of

the support, you can still claim the child.

>

> So, Terrie, since you charged your daughter $400.00 for her " fair shares "

> were still able to claim her as a dependent on your taxes?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Agreed… however, please remember to also take into account, in addition to the

SSI and/or SSDI received, what the State of Illinois is paying through

Medicaid/Medicaid Waiver (including, but not limited to, HBSS, CILA, ICFDD,

Medical, etc.) and/or Grant programs. I hate to sound like the IRS, but I am

tainted having served as both an IRS Agent and IRS Attorney in my past, prior to

the birth of my son with Autism.

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From: IPADDUnite [mailto:IPADDUnite ] On Behalf

Of Theresa Varnet

Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 1:14 PM

IPADDUnite

Subject: Re: Re: FYI

The I.R.S. has a free publication which you can download on who you can claim as

a dependent. Believe me the $674 per month that SSI gives us to care for our

children is just a pittance when it comes to the real cost of supporting them.

As long as you can show that you pay for 51% of your child's care, you can

continue to claim him/her as a dependent.

Terrie Varnet

________________________________

From: cmfinato <cmfinato@...<mailto:cmfinato%40>>

IPADDUnite <mailto:IPADDUnite%40>

Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 10:50:36 AM

Subject: Re: FYI

Marc, when it comes to a disabled adult child, if you provide more than half of

the support, you can still claim the child.

>

> So, Terrie, since you charged your daughter $400.00 for her " fair shares "

> were still able to claim her as a dependent on your taxes?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, this is exactly the answer I get from anything I read or anyone I've

asked; and is still vague to say the least.

Just WHAT exactly constitutes more than 50%? SSI deems " fair share " as

portion of mortgage/rent, utilities, food, etc. and indicates by their own

accounting that we've provided " income " if not charging by taking $225.00

which amounts to 34% charged of income. (674.00 total amount less 225.00

leaving her $449.00 as her monthly SSI)

Therefore, by charging our young adult would qualify for the entire amount

of SSI ($674.00). Obviously $674.00 by no means takes care of all support.

When asking my accountant regarding can we now still claim our adult child

as a dependent he says " yes " because she still resides under our roof and

the mere amount we are charging does not even begin to cover what it takes

to take care of her and that we can still claim her as a dependent.

We do NOT receive anything other than SSI. No other Waiver, Grant, etc.

I've scoured the IRS website many times.just where is the language that

makes it clear as to what makes up 51% and not 50%?

I think everyone forgets that not all of our young adults have all the

services/income that they are entitled to since the State is broke. If my

child were receiving all of that then I could understand it would be pretty

tough to claim her but since we only receive SSI I would think my

accountant has the correct answer for us.

I don't think the IRS makes it clear just what more than half support is.

[Guest guest]

it's hard to get straight answers on this from anyone. We don't get anything

but SSI either and I did claim my son as a dependent and will continue to do so

as long as he's living with me.

H.

Re: FYI

Yes, this is exactly the answer I get from anything I read or anyone I've

sked; and is still vague to say the least.

Just WHAT exactly constitutes more than 50%? SSI deems " fair share " as

ortion of mortgage/rent, utilities, food, etc. and indicates by their own

ccounting that we've provided " income " if not charging by taking $225.00

hich amounts to 34% charged of income. (674.00 total amount less 225.00

eaving her $449.00 as her monthly SSI)

Therefore, by charging our young adult would qualify for the entire amount

f SSI ($674.00). Obviously $674.00 by no means takes care of all support.

hen asking my accountant regarding can we now still claim our adult child

s a dependent he says " yes " because she still resides under our roof and

he mere amount we are charging does not even begin to cover what it takes

o take care of her and that we can still claim her as a dependent.

We do NOT receive anything other than SSI. No other Waiver, Grant, etc.

've scoured the IRS website many times.just where is the language that

akes it clear as to what makes up 51% and not 50%?

I think everyone forgets that not all of our young adults have all the

ervices/income that they are entitled to since the State is broke. If my

hild were receiving all of that then I could understand it would be pretty

ough to claim her but since we only receive SSI I would think my

ccountant has the correct answer for us.

I don't think the IRS makes it clear just what more than half support is.

[Guest guest]

The IRS instructions for form 1040 and Publication 17 have a worksheet for you

to use to determine support. It's very detailed and tells you what and what not

to include.

>

> Yes, this is exactly the answer I get from anything I read or anyone I've

> asked; and is still vague to say the least.

>

>

>

> Just WHAT exactly constitutes more than 50%? SSI deems " fair share " as

> portion of mortgage/rent, utilities, food, etc. and indicates by their own

> accounting that we've provided " income " if not charging by taking $225.00

> which amounts to 34% charged of income. (674.00 total amount less 225.00

> leaving her $449.00 as her monthly SSI)

>

>

>

> Therefore, by charging our young adult would qualify for the entire amount

> of SSI ($674.00). Obviously $674.00 by no means takes care of all support.

> When asking my accountant regarding can we now still claim our adult child

> as a dependent he says " yes " because she still resides under our roof and

> the mere amount we are charging does not even begin to cover what it takes

> to take care of her and that we can still claim her as a dependent.

>

>

>

> We do NOT receive anything other than SSI. No other Waiver, Grant, etc.

> I've scoured the IRS website many times.just where is the language that

> makes it clear as to what makes up 51% and not 50%?

>

>

>

> I think everyone forgets that not all of our young adults have all the

> services/income that they are entitled to since the State is broke. If my

> child were receiving all of that then I could understand it would be pretty

> tough to claim her but since we only receive SSI I would think my

> accountant has the correct answer for us.

>

>

>

> I don't think the IRS makes it clear just what more than half support is.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've just uploaded Worksheet 3-1 Worksheet for Determining Support from Page 33

of IRS Publication 17.

>

>

> it's hard to get straight answers on this from anyone. We don't get anything

but SSI either and I did claim my son as a dependent and will continue to do so

as long as he's living with me.

> H.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: FYI

>

>

> Yes, this is exactly the answer I get from anything I read or anyone I've

> sked; and is still vague to say the least.

>

> Just WHAT exactly constitutes more than 50%? SSI deems " fair share " as

> ortion of mortgage/rent, utilities, food, etc. and indicates by their own

> ccounting that we've provided " income " if not charging by taking $225.00

> hich amounts to 34% charged of income. (674.00 total amount less 225.00

> eaving her $449.00 as her monthly SSI)

>

> Therefore, by charging our young adult would qualify for the entire amount

> f SSI ($674.00). Obviously $674.00 by no means takes care of all support.

> hen asking my accountant regarding can we now still claim our adult child

> s a dependent he says " yes " because she still resides under our roof and

> he mere amount we are charging does not even begin to cover what it takes

> o take care of her and that we can still claim her as a dependent.

>

> We do NOT receive anything other than SSI. No other Waiver, Grant, etc.

> 've scoured the IRS website many times.just where is the language that

> akes it clear as to what makes up 51% and not 50%?

>

> I think everyone forgets that not all of our young adults have all the

> ervices/income that they are entitled to since the State is broke. If my

> hild were receiving all of that then I could understand it would be pretty

> ough to claim her but since we only receive SSI I would think my

> ccountant has the correct answer for us.

>

> I don't think the IRS makes it clear just what more than half support is.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rubin is Vice-President of the Board of Directors of the Arc of

Illinois...

I asked him to provide us with a position statement in regard to State operated

community housing, which you will find below:

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

FYI

" The Arc of Illinois believes that the state should be supporting and funding

community services not the expansion of state operated services " . "

Tony

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[Guest guest]

Absolutely true. (IMO)

I have dedicated almost 3 complete years of my life to discover what is the

right treatment to this syndrome or how to cure it. My results are nothing. I

have saved hundreds of materials in my computer, bought a bunch of books,

emailed the most recognized Drs in this area, written in 4 forums, and two

online groups. I have researched and read every candida website available so

far, have contact with a lot of people around the world who are battling it,

even rich people. So far NOBODY knows how to cure it, the right treatment, and

even if a cure is ever possible. There is NOT standard treatment for anybody.

Period.

.

>

> Here is an example of why people leave the group.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> I am leaving the group now, and may look for another one, as

> long as I can unsubscribe successfully. I've tried twice

> now, and hasn't worked. This group just seems too redundant,

> and I'm getting tired of hearing about MMS/AOT or whatever.

> I thought this was more of a group, but seems a little more

> like just a few people ever responding here with newbies

> coming and going. Just my opinion. Farewell!

>

> Other people leave because there are no food suggestions and how to fix it

kind of things.

> Need to be more well rounded.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, it's unfortunate that that person below apparently did not see my recent

posts of PAGES & PAGES of how to home-culture milk, and do's and don'ts of

candida diet suggestions! 

[And what would have been wrong with that person simply saying, " I would love to

know some diet suggestions.. " OR whatever else they needed. ???]

Also, all of us have lives to live. I can't possibly respond to EVERY post here!

I have to assume that those with the heart to reply to so-and-so's need will do

so; and those posts that I have a heart and compassion to reply to, I will. That

is what makes a group/team effort. Many facets, many avenues of help through

numbers of people, not just one or two folks.

Finally I have to say as a former Chair of a large support organization, when

people come to RECEIVE only they will come and go! When they come to LEARN &

CONTRIBUTE, they stick around longer! NOT to say that we ought to expect newbies

to give, give, give. But if all they want is certain answers and one, don't ask

for them, then they will be disappointed because we are not mind readers.

Secondly, if they come with certain expectations and are not willing to hear the

truth, they will also go away disappointed. NOT everyone wants to hear things

like, " NO high carbs, they will feed the fungus.. "

(We can please some of the people some of the time, we can't possibly please all

of the people all of the time..)

For myself, I am HUGLY gratified in that my own health is taking leaps and

bounds in the RIGHT direction after 10 years of suffering. I am NOT sorry for

the mention, even repeatedly, of MMS/AOT if even ONE other person has been

helped by it. (I do happen to know that probably a NUMBER of people are now

finding relief through my recommendation of the product. Makes up for the " sour

grapes " persons.)

Thanks for listening if you got this far.

I love you all. ~Louise

Here is an example of why people leave the group.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I am leaving the group now, and may look for another one, as

long as I can unsubscribe successfully. I've tried twice

now, and hasn't worked. This group just seems too redundant,

and I'm getting tired of hearing about MMS/AOT or whatever.

I thought this was more of a group, but seems a little more

like just a few people ever responding here with newbies

coming and going. Just my opinion. Farewell!

Other people leave because there are no food suggestions and how to fix it kind

of things.

Need to be more well rounded.

[Guest guest]

Well put.  Never feel that you or anyone MUST do!

I hope all learn something from the group...it goes the way it goes.

As for me and mine...we are good to go with all we know!

[Guest guest]

, I thought you said the fecal transplant worked for you where everything

else had failed? Doug

From: <dieguez.jorge@...>

Subject: Re: FYI

candidiasis

Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 1:18 PM

 

Absolutely true. (IMO)

I have dedicated almost 3 complete years of my life to discover what is the

right treatment to this syndrome or how to cure it. My results are nothing. I

have saved hundreds of materials in my computer, bought a bunch of books,

emailed the most recognized Drs in this area, written in 4 forums, and two

online groups. I have researched and read every candida website available so

far, have contact with a lot of people around the world who are battling it,

even rich people. So far NOBODY knows how to cure it, the right treatment, and

even if a cure is ever possible. There is NOT standard treatment for anybody.

Period.

.

>

> Here is an example of why people leave the group.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> I am leaving the group now, and may look for another one, as

> long as I can unsubscribe successfully. I've tried twice

> now, and hasn't worked. This group just seems too redundant,

> and I'm getting tired of hearing about MMS/AOT or whatever.

> I thought this was more of a group, but seems a little more

> like just a few people ever responding here with newbies

> coming and going. Just my opinion. Farewell!

>

> Other people leave because there are no food suggestions and how to fix it

kind of things.

> Need to be more well rounded.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yep, There is no use reinventing the wheel

& take credit by renaming it by a more descriptive name.

MMS is not 100% safe, though some are benefited.

NieeMA wrote:

> Here is an example of why people leave the group.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> I am leaving the group now, and may look for another one, as

> long as I can unsubscribe successfully. I've tried twice

> now, and hasn't worked. This group just seems too redundant,

> and I'm getting tired of hearing about MMS/AOT or whatever.

>

[Guest guest]

Again, Wil got the formula from the inventor Jim Humble himself.~Louise

> Here is an example of why people leave the group.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> I am leaving the group now, and may look for another one, as

> long as I can unsubscribe successfully. I've tried twice

> now, and hasn't worked. This group just seems too redundant,

> and I'm getting tired of hearing about MMS/AOT or whatever.

>   

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[Guest guest]

Dear . You sound quite disheartened in this message and forgive me if I say

so, but I do relate to where that sentiment comes from. I followed a path much

longer than 3 years to finding a way, not to cure, but to bring this condition

to a healthy balance. It was a path that led me completely away from the

doctors, the labs and the known science. They, unfortunately, in spite of all

their efforts, do not have the understanding to bring the resolution. Their hope

lies in the new science that will take years to trickle down to the

practitioners. We can thank the likes of Louis Pasteur for this current

circumstance. Whom, by the way made an admission on his death bed that his work

was fraudulent and it is not about the germ, it is about the terrain.

It is the broad spectrum of thousands of strains of microorganisms that keeps

the balance and prevents pathogenic overgrowth and mutation of any single one or

several few. Misunderstood and unhealthy eating habits, generally called

healthy, and our depleted food chain, along with unnatural and invasive

treatment practices work together to continue the syndrome that creates the

dead, dying and damaged tissue in our bodies that these overgrown, pathogenic

microorganisms feed upon.

The secret lies not in attacking the Candida, but in bringing the balance,

through an overall program of healthy eating, replenishing the missing elements

from the food chain and killing off the pathogenic overgrowth. Until that is

accomplished, whatever might be even somewhat successful in treating the Candida

is doomed to fail because the imbalance that created the condition has not been

managed.

I am sorry that you have already expressed your unwillingness to alter your

belief that there is a medical cure somewhere out there for what you and so many

others suffer from. The truth is that, that system is unrelenting in attacking

and outlawing the books and remedies that do work because it takes away their

business.

It is counterproductive to this forum for you to say there is no answer because

you have spent 3 years looking. You have refused to look at what I have been

saying and in an overall program like the one I recommend (which, by the way, I

do not know of another), people do regain their health and balance. Because when

you restore the body to nature, meaning the natural state, the nature in the

body does the healing.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

www.bodyelectrician.com

________________________________

From: <dieguez.jorge@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 1:18:23 PM

Subject: Re: FYI

Absolutely true. (IMO)

I have dedicated almost 3 complete years of my life to discover what is the

right treatment to this syndrome or how to cure it. My results are nothing. I

have saved hundreds of materials in my computer, bought a bunch of books,

emailed the most recognized Drs in this area, written in 4 forums, and two

online groups. I have researched and read every candida website available so

far, have contact with a lot of people around the world who are battling it,

even rich people. So far NOBODY knows how to cure it, the right treatment, and

even if a cure is ever possible. There is NOT standard treatment for anybody.

Period.

.

>

> Here is an example of why people leave the group.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> I am leaving the group now, and may look for another one, as

> long as I can unsubscribe successfully. I've tried twice

> now, and hasn't worked. This group just seems too redundant,

> and I'm getting tired of hearing about MMS/AOT or whatever.

> I thought this was more of a group, but seems a little more

> like just a few people ever responding here with newbies

> coming and going. Just my opinion. Farewell!

>

> Other people leave because there are no food suggestions and how to fix it

kind

>of things.

> Need to be more well rounded.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You still don't know anything about candida, Wil, but you know how to write

promises of balance and to hook people to sell your supplements. It is a

business matter and nothing more.! There is nothing to balance when you have a

pathogenic organism that mutated to an invasive and virulent form. Candida

Albicans (an other species) is a polymorphic organism that under some conditions

is able to mutate to a pathogenic form. There are millons of people living with

intestinal candida in its seed or not virulent form enjoying excellent health.

This form of candida lives in " balance " or limited by the antagonistic friendly

bacterial flora and a proper immune function. Again, under some conditions such

as a drop in the immune function and a disturbed antagonistic gut microbiota,

the yeast is able to mutate to its fungal form. This form is an INFECTION, is a

chronic infection that need to be erradicated to recover the health. It looks

like one time this happens, there nothing so far able to eliminate this fungal

form of candida. This pathogenic, mycelial, germ tube form is what cause the

syndrome known as a Candida Related Complex discovered for Dr. Orian Truss. Yes,

there are many programs and people get better following a diet and taking

supplements. It isn't necessary to buy from you anything to get better. There

are many routes to get better as long as you respect the diet and take

suplements. What happen is one time you open your diet and leave the

supplements, the residual fungus began to growth again. In a few words, science

hasn't found anything to eliminate this pathogenic form of candida one time it

happened inside the gut. The reproduction rate of this fungal form is 10 000

times faster than the yeast seed form. You need to read microbilogy, read real

books, research, and spend your time to gain knowledges. But, since you don't

care about it, I see you are doing what matter to you very well.

.

> >

> > Here is an example of why people leave the group.

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > I am leaving the group now, and may look for another one, as

> > long as I can unsubscribe successfully. I've tried twice

> > now, and hasn't worked. This group just seems too redundant,

> > and I'm getting tired of hearing about MMS/AOT or whatever.

> > I thought this was more of a group, but seems a little more

> > like just a few people ever responding here with newbies

> > coming and going. Just my opinion. Farewell!

> >

> > Other people leave because there are no food suggestions and how to fix it

kind

> >of things.

> > Need to be more well rounded.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I beg to differ. Wil does know what he is doing. He is seeing MANY people get

well, including ME. ALSO all of you, please note. I get NOTHING except the hope

that some people here might ALSO get well, to tell of my progress. Wil DOES NOT

BRAG on himself. I brag on him because I have been sick for 10 years, and am

finally getting some measure of LIFE back--and yes I can thank WIL for that!

(And sure I do the strictest diet probably anyone here does do, and the

probiotics.. ALL of it..)

~Louise

From: <dieguez.jorge@...>

Subject: Re: FYI

candidiasis

Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 4:18 PM

You still don't know anything about candida, Wil, but you know how to write

promises of balance and to hook people to sell your supplements. It is a

business matter and nothing more.! There is nothing to balance when you have a

pathogenic organism that mutated to an invasive and virulent form. Candida

Albicans (an other species) is a polymorphic organism that under some conditions

is able to mutate to a pathogenic form. There are millons of people living with

intestinal candida in its seed or not virulent form enjoying excellent health.

This form of candida lives in " balance " or limited by the antagonistic friendly

bacterial flora and a proper immune function. Again, under some conditions such

as a drop in the immune function and a disturbed antagonistic gut microbiota,

the yeast is able to mutate to its fungal form. This form is an INFECTION, is a

chronic infection that need to be erradicated to recover the health. It looks

like one time this happens,

there nothing so far able to eliminate this fungal form of candida. This

pathogenic, mycelial, germ tube form is what cause the syndrome known as a

Candida Related Complex discovered for Dr. Orian Truss. Yes, there are many

programs and people get better following a diet and taking supplements. It isn't

necessary to buy from you anything to get better. There are many routes to get

better as long as you respect the diet and take suplements. What happen is one

time you open your diet and leave the supplements, the residual fungus began to

growth again. In a few words, science hasn't found anything to eliminate this

pathogenic form of candida one time it happened inside the gut. The reproduction

rate of this fungal form is 10 000 times faster than the yeast seed form. You

need to read microbilogy, read real books, research, and spend your time to gain

knowledges. But, since you don't care about it, I see you are doing what matter

to you very well.

                                                      .

> >

> > Here is an example of why people leave the group.

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > I am leaving the group now, and may look for another one, as

> > long as I can unsubscribe successfully. I've tried twice

> > now, and hasn't worked. This group just seems too redundant,

> > and I'm getting tired of hearing about MMS/AOT or whatever.

> > I thought this was more of a group, but seems a little more

> > like just a few people ever responding here with newbies

> > coming and going. Just my opinion. Farewell!

> >

> > Other people leave because there are no food suggestions and how to fix it

kind

> >of things.

> > Need to be more well rounded.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone, I don't say much on this board and I know everyone here is

seemingly getting tired of all Louise's bragging on Wil and thinks she is

getting some benefit from doing so. However how about this... I have not

tried any of the mentioned products as of yet, but I do have some of them

now as my order recently came in. I am still researching and waiting for

things to slow down a bit down so I can talk more in depth about some of

these products with Wil. Once I do start taking them and report back to the

group how will you then feel about my responses, because I have been sick

along time as well. and if I am helped I will likely respond the same way

in hopes that one more life could be spared. Unfortunatley my mother was

not so lucky and died at 58 and she started out the same as I did.

I am going to list SOME of the health problems I face today and have for the

last 18 years (by the way. I am only 37 years old). Since this is a

candida board it is important to say that anyone who is not on a low carb

diet and is still eating breads, pastas, sugars, starches etc. you are only

prolonging your problem.

I will tell you of just a couple of things I have going on:

Lupus

Osteoporosis

Arthritis

Asthma

Degenerative bone disease

Degenerative Disc disease

Fractured bones

Heal spurs

Bone spurs

Plantar Faciatis

Bursitis

Back spasms

Labral hip tears

Gall stones

Dermatographism

Hot/cold uticaria

Hives

Many allergies

I am hoping to get some relief so I can get out of my car as quick as my 79

year old grandma. I am hoping to one day be able to walk without being

stiff and in a tremendous amount of pain and be able to kick the soccer ball

around with my kids. I will report back to the group, but I promise you if

I am relieved of any of the problems mentioned above, I will not be silent

about it. Also important to note, I am have lost two inches in heighth.

Again, I am 37 years old.

[Guest guest]

I really don't care if Wil has done the microbiology or not- The natural state

of our bodies were MUCH healthier decades ago, even centuries ago. The more

basic the diet the better of health. Quite frankly, the diet he has given me

(not even INCLUDING the AOT) has worked, and my symptoms subside EVERY time I am

faithful to it. Wil has NOT pushed his AOT and is very careful to not do so,

although many of us HAVE raved about it-

The AOT, I have to tell you, is NOT expensive ), I think you know you have

to try it- if you want me to share and send some of it to you privately, so no

one knows, contact me. Outside of that - I think you owe Wil a private

apology for attacking his character-

Wil has spent HOURS on the phone with my family, into the wee hours because he

CARES, not because he's the beneficiary of my financial demise.

> > >

> > > Here is an example of why people leave the group.

> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > I am leaving the group now, and may look for another one, as

> > > long as I can unsubscribe successfully. I've tried twice

> > > now, and hasn't worked. This group just seems too redundant,

> > > and I'm getting tired of hearing about MMS/AOT or whatever.

> > > I thought this was more of a group, but seems a little more

> > > like just a few people ever responding here with newbies

> > > coming and going. Just my opinion. Farewell!

> > >

> > > Other people leave because there are no food suggestions and how to fix it

kind

> > >of things.

> > > Need to be more well rounded.

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Just in case anyone missed this.... " The secret lies not in attacking the

Candida, but in bringing the balance,

through an overall program of healthy eating, replenishing the missing elements

from the food chain and killing off the pathogenic overgrowth. Until that is

accomplished, whatever might be even somewhat successful in treating the Candida

is doomed to fail because the imbalance that created the condition has not been

managed. " --Wil

IT'S NOT A MATTER OF KILLING OFF CANDIDA. WE ALL HAVE IT. IT'S A NATURAL PART OF

OUR GUT FLORA! It's about getting it into balance and keeping it there. We live

in extremely toxic times and our body requires regular maintenance and needs us

to stop eating and using junk food and chemicals.

Sharon Hoehner

www.endcandidablog.com (will be updating this next week--I've fallen sadly

behind with my blog!)