Re: Anyone get weird saliva labs after too long in mail?

[Guest guest]

there's a lot of people,,including good docs that feel saliva labs

are good for cortisol,,but not good for thyroid and espescially sex

hormones. my estrodial came in 5 times higher than normal which was bs

as Ive had no gyno symptoms at all and my free t4 was at the very top

of range while just 2 weeks earlier it was below midrange in blood

which made more sense. for now on,,Im only using saliva testing for

cortisol. its best to stick with blood tests for thyroid and

espescially sex hormones in my opinion

>

> Just got my saliva labs from Diagnos Techs and I am really questioning

> their validity. I collected saliva on 1/02 adn mailed on 1/03 they got

> it 1/12. They assured me oin the phone before it arrived that they

> " could tell " if the saliva was too old to be valid so I just assumed if

> it was too old they would tell me and send a new kit., Well no word

came

> & i got the results today. HIGH TSH and mid range T3 with normal temps?

> HIGH estrogen and normal Progesterone wiht no HRT and a complete hyst

> many years ago? Cortisol of course was not valid as I was on HC, but

> that idd not even make sense. My 8am came in at 1... Come on if I was

> THAT low in the morning wouldn't I be a zombie then? Then after taking

> 5MG JUST when the sample draw was fdone and no other HC it shoots ot 32

> by 11AM? I am nto convinced the samples were valid.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

BUt the saliva looks at tissue levels of the hormones which I why

I liek them! BUT having low Tissue levels of T3 for me on T3 only when

my cortilsl has NOT been low is ridiculous. And having a high TSH wiht

normal bpdy temps is also not right, but always before the saliva

matched my sympotms perfectly, especially for the thyroid. I really

think it is due to the samples being old which is what I was asking.

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[Guest guest]

I agree with the sex hormones being off. My last two came back super high in

progesterone and I am actually low. After researching I found several

reports that said it is a common problem with saliva tests, especially with

progesterone. It went on to say how what you eat the day before and that day

impacts it (chocolate for example, completely throws off the progesterone)

and even your shampoo and other exposures can throw it off.

I like it for T3 and cortisol, but don't think it is reliable for sex

hormones.

Cheri

Re: Anyone get weird saliva labs after too long in

mail?

there's a lot of people,,including good docs that feel saliva labs

are good for cortisol,,but not good for thyroid and espescially sex

hormones. my estrodial came in 5 times higher than normal which was bs

as Ive had no gyno symptoms at all and my free t4 was at the very top

of range while just 2 weeks earlier it was below midrange in blood

which made more sense. for now on,,Im only using saliva testing for

cortisol. its best to stick with blood tests for thyroid and

espescially sex hormones in my opinion

.

[Guest guest]

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What is " old " ? How many days? My last sample was probably old...taken on the

9th and they didn't process until the 18th, however, the first one I

expressed overnight to them and I know my progesterone was off on both of

them. I have a history of low progesterone and still have low progesterone

symptoms but I, as well as several others I have talked to who have low

progest, keep showing super high on the tests. I read a report I think was

written by a guy from ZRT who said that progesterone can get thrown off very

easily on the saliva labs.

I think saliva is probably better than blood for some things, but I don't

think either are totally accurate for cellular measurements since there are

a host of things that can interfere and saliva is limited too.

Cheri

Re: Re: Anyone get weird saliva labs after too

long in mail?

BUt the saliva looks at tissue levels of the hormones which I why

I liek them! BUT having low Tissue levels of T3 for me on T3 only when

my cortilsl has NOT been low is ridiculous. And having a high TSH wiht

normal bpdy temps is also not right, but always before the saliva

matched my sympotms perfectly, especially for the thyroid. I really

think it is due to the samples being old which is what I was asking.

--

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[Guest guest]

,

Maybe you should call them and ask some specific questions like are

certain tests more susceptable to damage due to age of saliva.

I do think the progesterone is way off on saliva tests. Mine are always

high, and I do use p. cream, but when I went off of it, I was a mess.

So, I went back on it and I need it even though it is high on the

saliva tests.

It would be interesting to have them done again in a month or so and

see what it happening. I don't know if you remember, but I had mine

done in Oct and it was really screwy. Then, when I didn it again in

Dec. it was quite different. Bad, but different.

Makes you wonder about testing all together, doesn't it?

K

[Guest guest]

Val,

When my DH sent his in back in Dec. it was 8 days before they were

received. There was a note on his results that the TSH may not be

accurate because they were delayed in shipping. Could your estrogen

be high because of your adrenals?

I have to agree with you though. Have you called the lab about these

results?

Gale

>

> Just got my saliva labs from Diagnos Techs and I am really questioning

> their validity. I collected saliva on 1/02 adn mailed on 1/03 they got

> it 1/12. They assured me oin the phone before it arrived that they

> " could tell " if the saliva was too old to be valid so I just assumed if

> it was too old they would tell me and send a new kit., Well no word

came

> & i got the results today. HIGH TSH and mid range T3 with normal temps?

> HIGH estrogen and normal Progesterone wiht no HRT and a complete hyst

> many years ago? Cortisol of course was not valid as I was on HC, but

> that idd not even make sense. My 8am came in at 1... Come on if I was

> THAT low in the morning wouldn't I be a zombie then? Then after taking

> 5MG JUST when the sample draw was fdone and no other HC it shoots ot 32

> by 11AM? I am nto convinced the samples were valid.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

Val,

When my DH sent his in back in Dec. it was 8 days before they were

received. There was a note on his results that the TSH may not be

accurate because they were delayed in shipping. Could your estrogen

be high because of your adrenals?

I have to agree with you though. Have you called the lab about these

results?

Gale

>

> Just got my saliva labs from Diagnos Techs and I am really questioning

> their validity. I collected saliva on 1/02 adn mailed on 1/03 they got

> it 1/12. They assured me oin the phone before it arrived that they

> " could tell " if the saliva was too old to be valid so I just assumed if

> it was too old they would tell me and send a new kit., Well no word

came

> & i got the results today. HIGH TSH and mid range T3 with normal temps?

> HIGH estrogen and normal Progesterone wiht no HRT and a complete hyst

> many years ago? Cortisol of course was not valid as I was on HC, but

> that idd not even make sense. My 8am came in at 1... Come on if I was

> THAT low in the morning wouldn't I be a zombie then? Then after taking

> 5MG JUST when the sample draw was fdone and no other HC it shoots ot 32

> by 11AM? I am nto convinced the samples were valid.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

I have not called them as they were closed when I got them last night

and are not open yet this AM, but I am calling them today. Yes with the

low AM cortiosl it is possible my estrogen is high from thta, btu does

nto explain why the great glucose results I am getting from the estrogen

I just added since doing these tests. IF they are accurate I have moved

from a stage 5 to a stage 3 which is good, except my AM cortiosk instead

of being high as ti was for the last 3 years is now in the dirt. And my

noon used to be at 1 and now is high. Everything else is pretty much the

same. My last labs a little over a year ago showed normal sex hormones.

Dhea remained the same at 2

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Val,

Are you saying that your glucose is affected by your adding estrogen?

Let us know what the lab has to say.

Gale

>

> I have not called them as they were closed when I got them last night

> and are not open yet this AM, but I am calling them today. Yes with the

> low AM cortiosl it is possible my estrogen is high from thta, btu does

> nto explain why the great glucose results I am getting from the

estrogen

> I just added since doing these tests. IF they are accurate I have moved

> from a stage 5 to a stage 3 which is good, except my AM cortiosk

instead

> of being high as ti was for the last 3 years is now in the dirt. And my

> noon used to be at 1 and now is high. Everything else is pretty much

the

> same. My last labs a little over a year ago showed normal sex hormones.

> Dhea remained the same at 2

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

>>Are you saying that your glucose is affected by your adding estrogen?

Let us know what the lab has to say.<<

ABSOLUTELY! I have lowered my basal insulin 5 units and my meal insulin is WAY

down. Used to be I took 18-20 units inthe AM for Dawn Rise and coffee now it is

5-7U. Dinner has gone from 30-35U to 20-22U and lunch many days I do nto dose at

all and used ot take 12-18U.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Val,

I hope your are going to contact DiagnosTechs and ask them about this.

Maybe request a " do over " ?

These results do seem strange, and if you have gotten results from

previous salvia tests that were consistent wtih your symptoms, then

worth pursuing getting these re-done.

All tests are fallible, and I have no idea how they check for saliva

that is " too old " . If they just look for mold, there could be a lot of

degradation before visible mold grows or at least that is what I think.

sol

wrote:

> Just got my saliva labs from Diagnos Techs and I am really questioning

> their validity. I collected saliva on 1/02 adn mailed on 1/03 they got

> it 1/12. They assured me oin the phone before it arrived that they

> " could tell " if the saliva was too old to be valid so I just assumed if

> it was too old they would tell me and send a new kit., Well no word came

> & i got the results today. HIGH TSH and mid range T3 with normal temps?

> HIGH estrogen and normal Progesterone wiht no HRT and a complete hyst

> many years ago? Cortisol of course was not valid as I was on HC, but

> that idd not even make sense. My 8am came in at 1... Come on if I was

> THAT low in the morning wouldn't I be a zombie then? Then after taking

> 5MG JUST when the sample draw was fdone and no other HC it shoots ot 32

> by 11AM? I am nto convinced the samples were valid.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Both my estradiol and progesterone were high in my salvia labs, the

progesterone being very high.

However, for me I think that is an accurate result, as it explained why

I have always felt worse from supplementing either of them.

So just my two cents, but I don't think saliva labs are always

inaccurate for sex hormones. But I do think we have to take symptoms and

individual responses into account, and not just rely on labs. If we

become lab obsessed we are no better to ourselves than the TSH only docs.

sol

tapmom5113 wrote:

> ,

>

> Maybe you should call them and ask some specific questions like are

> certain tests more susceptable to damage due to age of saliva.

>

> I do think the progesterone is way off on saliva tests. Mine are always

> high, and I do use p. cream, but when I went off of it, I was a mess.

> So, I went back on it and I need it even though it is high on the

> saliva tests.

>

> It would be interesting to have them done again in a month or so and

> see what it happening. I don't know if you remember, but I had mine

> done in Oct and it was really screwy. Then, when I didn it again in

> Dec. it was quite different. Bad, but different.

>

> Makes you wonder about testing all together, doesn't it?

>

> K

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> ABSOLUTELY! I have lowered my basal insulin 5 units and my meal insulin is WAY

down. Used to be I took 18-20 units inthe AM for Dawn Rise and coffee now it is

5-7U. Dinner has gone from 30-35U to 20-22U and lunch many days I do nto dose at

all and used ot take 12-18U.

>

Wow! That is fabulous! I'm so pleased for you :-)

sol