Re: Sleep disturbances, adrenals and hypoglycemia

[Guest guest]

i ahve a question regarding the sleeping problem - is 5HTP ok to take at night

to help with sleep when you have low adrenals? stacy

Sleep disturbances, adrenals and hypoglycemia

I am wondering if anyone has any advice on how to deal with the

hypoglycemia aspect of adrenal fatigue. Where I think this effects me

most critically is at night. I usually can fall asleep at about 11

pm, but at about 2:30 to 3:30 in the morning I almost always wake up

and then have a very choppy night of sleep after that. I consistently

have pain between and below the shoulder blades. I am a 28 year old male.

I take:

10 mg of Cortef (5 at 9am and 5 at about 1 pm)

Rhodiola

Other adrenal herbs and supplements

At night:

A combination formula herbal sleep aid

10 mg of Ambien

A bit of topical progesterone (about 10 mg).

Thanks,

Rob

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[Guest guest]

The best halp for night time hypoglycemia ia eating a BIG protein snack

at bnedtime and NO carbs after about 5 PM. Then getting cortiosl right.

You may need a bedtime dose of adrnela support to do this.

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[Guest guest]

The best halp for night time hypoglycemia ia eating a BIG protein snack

at bnedtime and NO carbs after about 5 PM. Then getting cortiosl right.

You may need a bedtime dose of adrnela support to do this.

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

The best halp for night time hypoglycemia ia eating a BIG protein snack

at bnedtime and NO carbs after about 5 PM. Then getting cortiosl right.

You may need a bedtime dose of adrnela support to do this.

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

so on the question of diet - is it best to follow a south beach type of diet

when you have thyroid- adrenal problems? is it also important to eat organic

and free ranged? i am learning so much and i am so greatful - thanks - stacy

Re: Sleep disturbances, adrenals and hypoglycemia

The best halp for night time hypoglycemia ia eating a BIG protein snack

at bnedtime and NO carbs after about 5 PM. Then getting cortiosl right.

You may need a bedtime dose of adrnela support to do this.

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http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/

http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/

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[Guest guest]

What type of protein do you recommend? I find cheese is

counterproductive due to the tyramine.

>

> The best halp for night time hypoglycemia ia eating a BIG protein snack

> at bnedtime and NO carbs after about 5 PM. Then getting cortiosl right.

> You may need a bedtime dose of adrnela support to do this.

>

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>

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> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

Yes ORGANIC & free range are very important as your adrenas cannto take

toxins when they are weak and it further wewakens them. Also low thyroid

will allow toxins to build up in your body and further deteriorate it.

Low carb and high fat is the best diet for most with thyroid and adrnela

problems.

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[Guest guest]

Low carb yogurt, cheese and meats or eggs are the best proteins.

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[Guest guest]

thank you - God Bless You for your wealth of knowledge and your caring enough to

share it with all of us - you truely help me to see the light at the end of the

tunnel - i will do my best to go totally organic and free ranged - new year -

new me - thanks to you!!!

Re: Sleep disturbances, adrenals and hypoglycemia

Yes ORGANIC & free range are very important as your adrenas cannto take

toxins when they are weak and it further wewakens them. Also low thyroid

will allow toxins to build up in your body and further deteriorate it.

Low carb and high fat is the best diet for most with thyroid and adrnela

problems.

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http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/

http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/

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[Guest guest]

I have the same problem Rob, almost exactly. I'm taking 40mg of HC

including 5mg of cream for bed-time which worked to smooth out most of

the waking up for a while, but doesn't anymore. One of my docs

suggested maybe adding progesterone cream. Has it helped you at all?

Doesn't sound like it.

>

> I am wondering if anyone has any advice on how to deal with the

> hypoglycemia aspect of adrenal fatigue. Where I think this effects me

> most critically is at night. I usually can fall asleep at about 11

> pm, but at about 2:30 to 3:30 in the morning I almost always wake up

> and then have a very choppy night of sleep after that. I consistently

> have pain between and below the shoulder blades. I am a 28 year old

male.

>

> I take:

>

> 10 mg of Cortef (5 at 9am and 5 at about 1 pm)

> Rhodiola

> Other adrenal herbs and supplements

>

> At night:

> A combination formula herbal sleep aid

> 10 mg of Ambien

> A bit of topical progesterone (about 10 mg).

>

> Thanks,

>

> Rob

>

[Guest guest]

Rob, a nutritionist suggested to me that I eat a high protein/fat before

bed to help with the blood sugar levels.

kc in az

[Guest guest]

I just started giving my SO whey, not too much at night because it has so

much protein, but it is suppose to help level out blood sugars and stop you

from feeling hungry for long periods since it take so much longer to

burn..he doesn't get hungry during the night anymore.

SeaLady

[Guest guest]

What is " SO " whey? I can't do dairy, but this rice protein stuff that

I've got is awful. Sol mentioned denatured whey which I have not had

a chance to look up yet.

>

> I just started giving my SO whey, not too much at night because it

has so

> much protein, but it is suppose to help level out blood sugars and

stop you

> from feeling hungry for long periods since it take so much longer to

> burn..he doesn't get hungry during the night anymore.

>

>

>

> SeaLady

>

>

[Guest guest]

For us, it seemed protein caused more stomach rumbling. What worked

was something high fiber with fat. Both fiber and fat really slow

your digestion and that's what you're looking for. For me, that

meant an apple or carrot with about 2 tablespoons of peanut butter or

sunbutter. Any nut butter has protein and fat, and apples and

carrots have slow-releasing sugar, so maybe that's why it works.

Barb

" KC " wrote:

>

> I just started giving my SO whey, not too much at night because it

has so

> much protein, but it is suppose to help level out blood sugars and

stop you

> from feeling hungry for long periods since it take so much longer to

> burn..he doesn't get hungry during the night anymore.

>

>

>

> SeaLady

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I only wish it worked like that for me. I burn through a double whey

shake in an hour or less, then go into hypoglycemia. And no, not a lot

of sugar in it either, undenatured whey. So it must be the natural milk

sugars in it that cause this for me. I begin to think it is the lack of

fat in whey, even though I make my shake with half and half.

sol

KC wrote:

> [whey] it is suppose to help level out blood sugars and stop you

> from feeling hungry for long periods since it take so much longer to

> burn..he doesn't get hungry during the night anymore.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I just started giving my SO whey, not too much at night because it

> has so

> > much protein, but it is suppose to help level out blood sugars and

> stop you

> > from feeling hungry for long periods since it take so much longer to

> > burn..he doesn't get hungry during the night anymore.

> >

> >

> >

> > SeaLady

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm taking enzymes and bromelain with protein now. Had a rice cracker

and sunflower nut butter snack last night at around 9PM, went to sleep

at 11PM and didn't wake up until 5:15AM which beat yesterday's 3:45AM

when I had to get up and eat some cheese to quiet the dragon in my

stomach. I might try a hard-boiled egg for the snack tonight and eat

it even later. I just hate eating that soon before I go to bed, but

it has to be low cortisol/hypogly causing the wake-ups. I just don't

get why there isn't some rhythm that we can find with HC where we

actually sleep through the night.

On the plus side, I went up another 1/8 grain two days ago and I seem

to be holding it OK without having to stress-dose much. I might have

made it through without stress-dosing at all, but I'm not going to

take that chance anymore.

>

> For us, it seemed protein caused more stomach rumbling. What worked

> was something high fiber with fat. Both fiber and fat really slow

> your digestion and that's what you're looking for. For me, that

> meant an apple or carrot with about 2 tablespoons of peanut butter or

> sunbutter. Any nut butter has protein and fat, and apples and

> carrots have slow-releasing sugar, so maybe that's why it works.

>

> Barb

[Guest guest]

I tried the almond milk and I prefer the rice milk. It's the rice

protein powder that gives everything I put it in a bad taste.

> You might want to try unsweetened Almond milk. It is supposed to be

> low carb & taste pretty good. I use Hood Carb countdown milk & their

> Chocolate milk is great. It does have dairy in it.

>

> Gale

[Guest guest]

" jasrich " wrote:

> I went up another 1/8 grain two days ago and I seem

> to be holding it OK without having to stress-dose much.

Did you add the 1/8 grain to bedtime? Found this interesting article

today:

" Thyroxine taken at bedtime by patients with primary hypothyroidism is

associated with higher thyroid hormone concentrations and lower TSH

concentrations compared to the same thyroxine dose taken in the

morning. At the same time, the circadian TSH rhythm stays intact. Our

findings are best explained by a better gastrointestinal uptake of

thyroxine during the night. "

From http://tinyurl.com/398una

Barb

[Guest guest]

, I am sorry you don't like the rice protien! Did you get the

flavored kind? They have berry, vanilla and chocolate. They don't

taste GREAT to me, but not bad. Sometimes I add cocoa powder and a

tiny bit of sugar (you could use stevia).

Kim

> > You might want to try unsweetened Almond milk. It is supposed to

be

> > low carb & taste pretty good. I use Hood Carb countdown milk &

their

> > Chocolate milk is great. It does have dairy in it.

> >

> > Gale

>

[Guest guest]

>> What is " SO " whey? I can't do dairy, but this rice protein stuff that

>> I've got is awful. Sol mentioned denatured whey which I have not had

>> a chance to look up yet.

>>

>>

>>

UNdenatured whey. denatured whey is what you don't want.

sol

[Guest guest]

I didn't, although I did take it late for me - around 8PM. I wanted

to give it a chance to not overstimulate me so that I could get to

sleep, knowing that I would probably wake up later anyway.

Yesterday I just added the 1/8 to my third dose at 4PM so I'm dosing

5/8 + 5/8 + 5/8 for 1 7/8 total. What you're reading about taking T4

at night is interesting, and, for the short time that I was taking my

Synthroid at night I was sleeping better than I had for some time

prior, but that was just T4. I worry about taking the Armour with T3

right before bed.

So you and DH take that last dose right before bed with your bed-time

dose of HC cream and don't have any trouble falling asleep? You're

still waking up in the middle of the night but that seems almost

certain to be cortisol. If we could just work through these sleep

issues I think that we would be in so much better shape - at least I

would. What is your dosing schedule then?

Thanks Barb.

>

> > I went up another 1/8 grain two days ago and I seem

> > to be holding it OK without having to stress-dose much.

>

> Did you add the 1/8 grain to bedtime? Found this interesting article

> today:

>

> " Thyroxine taken at bedtime by patients with primary hypothyroidism is

> associated with higher thyroid hormone concentrations and lower TSH

> concentrations compared to the same thyroxine dose taken in the

> morning. At the same time, the circadian TSH rhythm stays intact. Our

> findings are best explained by a better gastrointestinal uptake of

> thyroxine during the night. "

>

> From http://tinyurl.com/398una

>

> Barb

>

[Guest guest]

I'm trying to watch the sugar so I got unflavored. The flavors don't

add sugar? That would help some I suppose. Are you using Nutribiotics

or a different brand? I picked up some stevia a couple of days ago and

" sprinkled " a little in a shake last night - OMG, they're not kidding

about a serving being one of those tiny scoops. It sweetened 10oz of

shake so much that it was undrinkable. Going to respect that stuff

more from now on,

>

> , I am sorry you don't like the rice protien! Did you get the

> flavored kind? They have berry, vanilla and chocolate. They don't

> taste GREAT to me, but not bad. Sometimes I add cocoa powder and a

> tiny bit of sugar (you could use stevia).

>

> Kim

[Guest guest]

" jasrich " wrote:

> So you and DH take that last dose right before bed with your bed-

time dose of HC cream and don't have any trouble falling asleep?

Correct, last dose is at 10:30 p.m. Sometimes he does the cream

earlier, like at 7 p.m. if he feels anxious, and then doesn't cream

at bedtime. Other times he's not anxious at 7 p.m., so skips that

dose, but then creams at bedtime. He still sets his alarm for 3-4

a.m. to give himself a small dose of cream, but lately has been

waking at 6 a.m., but is able to go back to sleep.

You have tried 2.5 and 5 mg at bedtime, and neither lets you sleep

through the night?

>What is your dosing schedule then?

DH's schedule:

10 mg at 7:30 a.m

8 at 11:30 a.m.

6 at 3:30 p.m.

2 at 7 p.m. or 10:30 p.m.

2 at 3 a.m.

(The even numbers are because I consider each notch on the syringe to

be 2 mg, not 2.5)

DH and I are total opposites in many ways. I have always been a deep

sleeper and he has always been a light sleeper. I could never even

tiptoe to the bathroom without him knowing it before. Now I can, so

both thyroid and adrenal support are actually helping him sleep

deeper when he remains asleep.

I only take a little cream in the morning (2.5) so don't have the

sleep problems. I wake at night thirsty and have to drink, but fall

right back into a deep sleep. I also recently bumped up to 2 grains

and after my next cycle, will wean off and do saliva labs to see

where I am. Curious about thyroid in saliva. Interesting how we're

on nearly the same dose of thyroid, and our blood FT3 and FT4 are

nearly the same (cholesterol too!), but your TSH was high and mine

was already at .12, and my temps are close to optimal but yours are

still low.

Barb

[Guest guest]

I was sleeping better for a while after switching to cream for

bed-time but, lately, for the past 2-3 weeks, I've been waking up at

3:30 and/or 5-5:30 and unable to get back to sleep. I haven't had one

of those " attacks " in months and I don't lie there sweating, anxious,

with stomach hurting like I used to, but I have a hard time getting

back to sleep and I get hungry enough that I have to get up to eat

which indicates to me that low cortisol/hypogly is still my problem. I

tried nut-butter with a few pieces of apple last night right before

bed and pretty much slept OK, but had to get up to urinate at 1:30

again later, but got back to sleep. I saw my new Top Dop today and

really liked him, and he suggested that I try chromium before bed to

help regulate blood sugar and agreed that I should take as much mag as

I can tolerate (to bowel tolerance). I am happy to hear that DH is

sleeping better and that you're close to trying to wean off of HC.

One question though, if your blood T3 and T4 is the close to mine is

pretty low still so don't you want to keep working on increasing your

dose of A? My TSH has come way down BTW - from 13 to 2.83 since October.

>

> > So you and DH take that last dose right before bed with your bed-

> time dose of HC cream and don't have any trouble falling asleep?

>

> Correct, last dose is at 10:30 p.m. Sometimes he does the cream

> earlier, like at 7 p.m. if he feels anxious, and then doesn't cream

> at bedtime. Other times he's not anxious at 7 p.m., so skips that

> dose, but then creams at bedtime. He still sets his alarm for 3-4

> a.m. to give himself a small dose of cream, but lately has been

> waking at 6 a.m., but is able to go back to sleep.

>

> You have tried 2.5 and 5 mg at bedtime, and neither lets you sleep

> through the night?

>

> >What is your dosing schedule then?

> DH's schedule:

> 10 mg at 7:30 a.m

> 8 at 11:30 a.m.

> 6 at 3:30 p.m.

> 2 at 7 p.m. or 10:30 p.m.

> 2 at 3 a.m.

>

> (The even numbers are because I consider each notch on the syringe to

> be 2 mg, not 2.5)

>

> DH and I are total opposites in many ways. I have always been a deep

> sleeper and he has always been a light sleeper. I could never even

> tiptoe to the bathroom without him knowing it before. Now I can, so

> both thyroid and adrenal support are actually helping him sleep

> deeper when he remains asleep.

>

> I only take a little cream in the morning (2.5) so don't have the

> sleep problems. I wake at night thirsty and have to drink, but fall

> right back into a deep sleep. I also recently bumped up to 2 grains

> and after my next cycle, will wean off and do saliva labs to see

> where I am. Curious about thyroid in saliva. Interesting how we're

> on nearly the same dose of thyroid, and our blood FT3 and FT4 are

> nearly the same (cholesterol too!), but your TSH was high and mine

> was already at .12, and my temps are close to optimal but yours are

> still low.

>

> Barb

>