Re: safe uses of cortisol book

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Cherie,

I have spent hours today looking for a lower price to no avail. Prior

to the Publisher, the lowest I could find was 75.00 and that was for

the 2nd edition, not the 3rd. I can't imagine why it is so expensive!

Arghhh! I did decide to suck it up and order it, my husband is going

to kill me.

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> Anyone know where I can find this without paying an arm and a leg? My

> library system doesn't have it, and the cheapest I've found it on

the net is

> around $50.00. I would really love to read it, but can't afford to

pay that

> much. Thanks!

>

> Cherie

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Hi...... I'm new here. Saw the posts pertaining to

" Safe Uses of Cortisol " ... I was a patient of Dr.

Jefferies and discussed the book with him several

times... The cheapest you'll ever find it is directly

from the publisher ccthomas.com and it's about $43. I

bought my first copy over 15 years ago and it was $40

then... I can see how many people would find it

expensive but I think it's one of the books out there

that's actually worth it... Especially, if you don't

have a physician who has any clue about MAI, how to

recognize, test or treat for it.... Also, Jefferies

never intended or wrote it for lay people... It was

written for doctors so that may be another reason for

it being more expensive...... Was intended to be more

of a medical reference. Actually, some places will

even refuse to sell it to you unless you're a medical

professional.

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I just got the book directly from the publisher as well, and it was

about 40€ with postage to Finland. Not too bad at all. I haven't had a

chance to read the book yet, though.

There's been a lot of discussion bout the book on the Finnish thyroid

forum, though. Someone brought to our attention that there have been

some studies in the 90's which show that the daily cortisol production

would actually be just 5-7mg, bringing a safe daily dose of HC to

15mg, which is in quite a conflict with Jeffries's views.

Personally I've felt how larger amounts are sometimes needed, but I

must admit I'm a bit alarmed and worried that I might not be able to

kick the cortisone. This probably would have happened anyway, but I

just wish I knew if I've actually been treating myself correctly or not.

Two of the reaserches are apparently these:

Esteban, N. V., Longhlin, T., Yergey, A. L., Zawadzki, J. K., Booth,

J. D., Winterer, J. C. & Loriaux, D. L. (1991) Daily cortisol

production rate in man determined by stable isotope dilution/mass

spectrometry. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, 72,

pp. 39-45.

Kerrigan, J. R., Veldhuis, J. D., Leyo, S. A., Iranmanesh, A. & Rogol,

A. D. (1993) Estimation of daily cortisol production and clearance

rates in normal pubertal males by deconvolution analysis. Journal of

Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, 76, pp. 1505-1510.

Does anyone know anything about this? Has anyone looked into these

researches? I'm going to try and see if I can go see dr. Thierry

Hertoghe in Belgium. Hopefully he'll have the most up to date

-knowledge. I don't meant to cause any alarm, in fact I've faced quite

some shit on the Finnish forum lately for saying that sometimes larger

amounts are needed (some people have really made an effort to bring

down Jeffries's ideas). But I just feel like this is too important to

be left without attention.

Annukka

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I found the second article here:

http://jcem.endojournals.org/

And specifically here:

http://tinyurl.com/29ujpe

Can anyone translate this into English? What does the amount of daily

cortisol production actually mean?

Annukka

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>>that there have been

some studies in the 90's which show that the daily cortisol production

would actually be just 5-7mg, bringing a safe daily dose of HC to

15mg, which is in quite a conflict with Jeffries's views.<<

Keep in mind these stidues are done on peole sitting in a hospital bed all day.

NOT going about their daily lives. How can the cortisll productin and needs ebe

correct? I am sorry until they come up wioth a cortisl monitor that checks

cortiosl as we go about our daily lives I will not believe htem.

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[Guest guest]

Note that Hertoghe agrees with Jeffries that the safe physiologic

dose is 20-30mgs.

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> >>that there have been

> some studies in the 90's which show that the daily cortisol

production

> would actually be just 5-7mg, bringing a safe daily dose of HC to

> 15mg, which is in quite a conflict with Jeffries's views.<<

>

> Keep in mind these stidues are done on peole sitting in a hospital

bed all day. NOT going about their daily lives. How can the cortisll

productin and needs ebe correct? I am sorry until they come up wioth

a cortisl monitor that checks cortiosl as we go about our daily lives

I will not believe htem.

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" Keep in mind these stidues are done on peole sitting in a hospital

bed all day. NOT going about their daily lives. How can the cortisll

productin and needs ebe correct? I am sorry until they come up wioth a

cortisl monitor that checks cortiosl as we go about our daily lives I

will not believe htem. "

A very good point, and after reviewing (briefly) the study and another

one I found, I'll have to agree with you.

You wouldn't believe the personal attacks I've been under regarding

this, it's just unbelievable. Some people don't even want to discuss,

they just want to prove you wrong. It's good to find some research to

back me up, even though I know this won't get the " judges " off my back.

Annukka

[Guest guest]

I was going to say the same thing.... Hertoghe agrees

with Jefferies so if you go to Hertoghe his thoughts

on the subject will be very much along the lines of

Jefferies.....

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[Guest guest]

I know someone who saw Hertoghe and he had her on a much higher dose

to begin with

Lynda

Re: safe uses of cortisol book

>I was going to say the same thing.... Hertoghe agrees

> with Jefferies so if you go to Hertoghe his thoughts

> on the subject will be very much along the lines of

> Jefferies.....

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[Guest guest]

Oh I would believe the personal attacks. Have had some of that myself

for my beliefs in how much cortisll the body needs and how much is safe

to take. I wish they WOULD come up with a way to monitor cortisol levels

as we go through our day it would make ALL our lives SO much easier.

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I figured he might. Thanks for the info! I hope I can find a chance to

read the book and then decide if Hertoghe might be able to help me or

not (I'm broke and thus not very happy about the thought of spending

hundereds of euros). I'm still on 30mg of HC, I haven't been able to

lower since the fall, and I can't get my Armour optimized (3 3/4 is

too little and 4 is too much, but I just raised back to 4 since at

least then I have SOME energy and I don't feel quite so depressed). I

just need to know if I'm doing everything right, but my doctor can't

help me.

[Guest guest]

> Oh I would believe the personal attacks. Have had some of that myself

> for my beliefs in how much cortisll the body needs and how much is

safe to take.

Well, actually I figured you would I don't know how you do it. I've

felt so helpless trying to help others when I don't know enough myself

(have made that very clear to everyone), and the attacks were just too

much. A bit of distance from the issue helped, but you don't seem to

do that. I must say you're absolutely wonderful for doing all this!

Annukka

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I looked on buyallbooks.com but follow the link above. The soft

cover, 3rd edition was listed at $40.43.

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> Anyone know where I can find this without paying an arm and a leg?

My

> library system doesn't have it, and the cheapest I've found it on

the net is

> around $50.00. I would really love to read it, but can't afford to

pay that

> much. Thanks!

>

> Cherie

>

> Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do

you

> learn.--C.S.

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Then it sounds like he follows Jefferies protocol to

the tee from what you're saying... I don't know why,

and I don't recall seeing it in Jefferies book, but he

started me on very high doses as well.... Wanted to

get my hashi's into remission..... So, I actually

started on 80 and I believe I did that for 4-5 days

and then went to 60, 40, so on until I was at the 20

and that was my daily maintenance dose... But, I was

started high and weaned to the maintenance dose......

Initially, I felt better from the first dose I took

but that only lasted a few days and then I actually

felt worse... I told him and he said just hang in

there it's not instantaneous as some would have you

believe and he was right... Within a month I just woke

up one day feeling great like I never even was sick as

sick as I was to begin with.....

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I just had an experience in the ER the other day , but the doc did believe

in it but told he that most doc do not want to deal with it or believe that

any amount of cortisol is needed. He also said my adrenals looking at some

back labs are very low but good luck trying to find a doc to help. I look at

him and said thanks for the words of encouragement!

Peace and Healing,

a

-- Re: Re: safe uses of cortisol book

Oh I would believe the personal attacks. Have had some of that myself

For my beliefs in how much cortisll the body needs and how much is safe

To take. I wish they WOULD come up with a way to monitor cortisol levels

As we go through our day it would make ALL our lives SO much easier.

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Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Isn't there a way. I thought I read somewhere about doctors using

some Urine test to determine how much of the HC your body is

absorbing, therefore determining a better dose for you to take. I

thought it was the same Urine test where you pee in the jug for a

whole 24 hours and bring it in.

Don't know where I read it though. It sounded like it was a new

method of seeing how much HC for us to take, based on what was coming

out in our urine, or something.

Donno...just a thought.

I wish they WOULD come up with a way to monitor cortisol levels

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> As we go through our day it would make ALL our lives SO much

easier.

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[Guest guest]

I'd be interested in that...I had a 24 hour urinary cortisol test and it showed

HIGH output.

Re: safe uses of cortisol book

Isn't there a way. I thought I read somewhere about doctors using

some Urine test to determine how much of the HC your body is

absorbing, therefore determining a better dose for you to take. I

thought it was the same Urine test where you pee in the jug for a

whole 24 hours and bring it in.

Don't know where I read it though. It sounded like it was a new

method of seeing how much HC for us to take, based on what was coming

out in our urine, or something.

Donno...just a thought.

I wish they WOULD come up with a way to monitor cortisol levels

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> As we go through our day it would make ALL our lives SO much

easier.

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