Guest guest Posted June 22, 2003 Report Share Posted June 22, 2003 I think there is some confusion as well between herbal remedies and homeopathy. Homeopathy, as I understand it, is triggering the body to heal itself by actually causing more of the underlying problem to push the body into beginning its healing mechanism. Often times, various herbal mixtures are used. Also, there is a belief of the increasing potency through dilutions. I honestly cannot comprehend all that. Natural healing is slightly different. It may or may not use homeopathy. Natural healing, known sometimes as naturopathy, uses a variety of methods -- herbal, massage, homeopathy, accupressure/puncture, dietary, and other processes in achieving health. I very firmly believe in natural healing. Naturopaths used to study right along side doctors and still have to complete a 4 yr professional program to be certified. I'm not so sure about some homeopathic treatments. HTH! Debi I'm a little dubious > > about homeopathy. > > What > > > do you think? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2003 Report Share Posted June 22, 2003 Yes, I think one of the confusions between herbal and homeopathy herbal is that let's say you are buying the ojibwa tea... that contains ACTUAL herbs and you can measure the amount of herbs in terms of standard measurements that you have in your kitchen-- ex. let's say it had one quarter teaspoon of sheep sorrel, and about a half teaspoon of " whatever " . Homeopathy, which I am no expert on by any stretch, to my understanding means that it may be a " remedy " using sheep sorrel, however, it was diluted sooo many times that you or I could not " measure " it ourselves. The dilution is put into a lactose based pill or tablet. THe dilution is supposed to stimulate the body to heal it self. And there's something to do with the law of similars, which I think an example would be if you are having hay fever with runny eyes, then one remedy might be allium, from the onion family, because onions cause runny eyes. So by using the " similar " you stimulate the body to counteract that allergic response (the runny eyes). I don't really understand how it all came about but I have to say that we have done some homeopathic hepatitis B vaccine remedies, and the first time we did it, we had MAJOR detoxing. We did three days on three days off, repeat three times. On the FIRST day of EACH three day cycle, Ethan would be all sweaty, red cheeks, red ears, and have majorly foul diarrhea. This was from a kid who was normally constipated at that time. So his body was clearing out big time. Saw the detoxing to a lesser degree with the second time we did it. And what prompted the last time to try it was because he was looking very pale and sickly (dark circles under eyes, gaunt/lean appearance) and so I asked to do it again, and sure enough, just like the first time, he got color back in his skin--nice fleshy complexion, and his dark circles went away, and his ribs were not so visible. He looked really healthy. Anyway, the changes were physically visible and enough so that I knew it was not " coincidence " that suddenly he went from being so chronically sick looking to healthy all within a day or two. W > I think there is some confusion as well between herbal remedies and > homeopathy. > > Homeopathy, as I understand it, is triggering the body to heal > itself by actually causing more of the underlying problem to push > the body into beginning its healing mechanism. Often times, various > herbal mixtures are used. Also, there is a belief of the increasing > potency through dilutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 We have just started Dr Tinus Smit's " Post Vaccination Syndrome " protocol and are very happy so far! This is a link to his web site. http://www.tinussmits.com/english/dynamic.htm?main=pvs/dynamic.htm?main1=htt p://www.tinussmits.com/english/pvs/diagnosis.htm Miles ( UK ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 I started off by doing Dr.Tinus protocol of 30c, 200c, 1m & 10m of homeopathic vaccines. It started off good but then we got a lot of aggression and lost all of postive behaviors. I know other parents with similar reactions. Below is someone elses experience. I really believe that you need to work with a qualfied homeopath and not on your own. If you are working directly with Dr. Tinus then that is wonderful!! He would know what to do next if the homeopathic vaccines have stopped helping. This is just my opinion!!!! You may have a total different experience than me. Date:Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:24:10 -0400" kay edge " <jaelen_n_faithsmom@...>From: " Anne " <arobe@...>Subject:Re: [homeodetox-talk] update on Q potency (also known as LM) //Anne HTML Attachment [ Download File | Save to my Briefcase ] Hi Sorry about the mess up - I put the thing below my message here. We did Sequential - Elmiger's thing which Ellis learned from Verspoor (in Canada). We did all the vaccinations 200C, 1M, 10M. On the first one my son simply blew up - just went to somewhere out of this galaxy and didn't come back for 6 months. We eventually got quite abit from the whole thing, but it didn't do the whole job for him by any means. Recently I became convinced that we had left something out of the timeline, and I returned to Ellis after being away for several years. That's when I found out he was doing the LM's or Q potency and I decided to do that. We are going through a number of potencies, and there is more to it than the other was. You have to get dose right and a bunch of stuff that wasn't part of Sequential where you just took the 3 potenices for each remedy. Regards, Anne Miles <david@...> wrote: We have just started Dr Tinus Smit's " Post Vaccination Syndrome " protocol and are very happy so far! This is a link to his web site. http://www.tinussmits.com/english/dynamic.htm?main=pvs/dynamic.htm?main1=htt p://www.tinussmits.com/english/pvs/diagnosis.htm Miles ( UK ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Yes, my son benefits from the lower potencies like 12C or 30C max whereas my daughter can " tolerate " 200C or 1M. So it does help to have a homeopath doing this for you. W > > > I started off by doing Dr.Tinus protocol of 30c, 200c, 1m & 10m of homeopathic vaccines. It started off good but then we got a lot of aggression and lost all of postive behaviors. I know other parents with similar reactions. Below is someone elses experience. I really believe that you need to work with a qualfied homeopath and not on your own. If you are working directly with Dr. Tinus then that is wonderful!! He would know what to do next if the homeopathic vaccines have stopped helping. This is just my opinion!!!! You may have a total different experience than me. > > Date:Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:24:10 -0400" kay edge " <jaelen_n_faithsmom@y...>From: " Anne " <arobe@n...>Subject:Re: [homeodetox-talk] update on Q potency (also known as LM) //Anne > HTML Attachment [ Download File | Save to my Briefcase ] > > Hi > Sorry about the mess up - I put the thing below my message here. > We did Sequential - Elmiger's thing which Ellis learned from Verspoor (in Canada). We did all the vaccinations 200C, 1M, 10M. On the first one my son simply blew up - just went to somewhere out of this galaxy and didn't come back for 6 months. We eventually got quite abit from the whole thing, but it didn't do the whole job for him by any means. Recently I became convinced that we had left something out of the timeline, and I returned to Ellis after being away for several years. That's when I found out he was doing the LM's or Q potency and I decided to do that. We are going through a number of potencies, and there is more to it than the other was. You have to get dose right and a bunch of stuff that wasn't part of Sequential where you just took the 3 potenices for each remedy. > Regards, > Anne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Hi . We are currently trying Dr Tinus Smits " post vaccination syndrome " protocol. We are about 1/3 of the way into it and are finding the whole process quite nerve-racking and spooky, to see reactions to the homeopathic remedies. Miles. Message: 17 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:44:34 -0000 From: " mydgtd " <ryno@...> Subject: Homeopathy? Has anyone tried a homeopathic remedy by HEEL called " Detox-Kit " ? Has anyone tried any homeopathic remedies for mercury and other metal detox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 In a message dated 1/7/2005 11:04:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, " Miles " <david@...> writes: are finding the whole process quite >nerve-racking and spooky, to see reactions to the homeopathic remedies. Can you elaborate--do you think this is working for your child? Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Homeopathy remedies really works but you have to find a very good Doctor because homeopathy is more than medicine is an Art, the Doctor has to find the right medicine for your kid or you it is unique for each individual and that it is the Key for the success myself and my son are living proof that work my son got his intestines cure in 4 months of treatment. > In a message dated 1/7/2005 11:04:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, " Miles " <david@a...> writes: > > are finding the whole process quite > >nerve-racking and spooky, to see reactions to the homeopathic remedies. > > > Can you elaborate--do you think this is working for your child? > > Thanks, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Hi . I would say that so far homeopathy is working. My son is 14 years old and quite severely autistic. We have finished one treatment for his last vaccination ( diphtheria tetanus polio ). We have so far seen more calmness/focus. No more cyclic ups and downs. He had a reaction that brought him out in a large rash/bruise that covered most of the outside of his thigh at the same spot that he received the vaccination when he was a baby! We do like Dr Smits PVS protocol because it is firstly a diagnostic tool that indicates quickly if your child actually has a problem with vaccinations. Also with the protocol you can treat reactions with dilutions of the remedies. As I said before, we are only about a third of the way into it and we have no idea if it is going to " do the trick " , but we are feeling quite exited/optimistic about it so far. Regards. Miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 The million dollar question is, do you want your kid to get better? Are you prepared to try stuff with a high sfatey record, years worth of use? If I was still tiddlying around making comments like this, my kid would never have made the progress he has............... JMHO Mandi in UK When I first visited this board, I thought it was set up to promote a certain enzyme manufacturer. But, reading along for quite some time now, I don't think this is true. Instead, I think it's better to characterize most board members as being honest, BUT not being able to " think critically " . It's virtually impossible what the person below stated about homeopathy: " we are very pleased with the results so far " . He'll get a million dollars IF what he tells is not a lie. But the worst thing is that I'm afraid the same idea holds for " we are very pleased with the results of taking Houston Enzymes so far " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 In a message dated 11/03/2005 20:43:11 GMT Standard Time, frankyvanhecke@... writes: It's all about reality Which you will never find out unless you try................ MAndi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Congratulations , you're millionaire from now on! http://www.randi.org/research/ When I first visited this board, I thought it was set up to promote a certain enzyme manufacturer. But, reading along for quite some time now, I don't think this is true. Instead, I think it's better to characterize most board members as being honest, BUT not being able to " think critically " . It's virtually impossible what the person below stated about homeopathy: " we are very pleased with the results so far " . He'll get a million dollars IF what he tells is not a lie. But the worst thing is that I'm afraid the same idea holds for " we are very pleased with the results of taking Houston Enzymes so far " . > Hello List. > > We are currently using the homeopathic PVS ( post vaccination syndrome ) > protocol developed by Dr Tinus Smits. > > http://www.tinussmits.com/english/dynamic.htm?main=pvs/dynamic.htm?main1=htt > p://www.tinussmits.com/english/pvs/diagnosis.htm > > > We have only completed one vaccination remedy ( it took us about two > months! ) but we are very pleased with the results so far. > > Miles > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 2005-03-01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 I agree... the last thing we need around here is closed-minded negativity and sarcasm. Unbelievable. On Mar 11, 2005, at 11:19 AM, Mum231ASD@... wrote: > > The million dollar question is, do you want your kid to get better? > Are you > prepared to try stuff with a high sfatey record, years worth of use? > > If I was still tiddlying around making comments like this, my kid would > never have made the progress he has............... > JMHO > Mandi in UK > > When I first visited this board, I thought it was set up to promote a > certain enzyme manufacturer. But, reading along for quite some time > now, I don't think this is true. Instead, I think it's better to > characterize most board members as being honest, BUT not being able to > " think critically " . It's virtually impossible what the person below > stated about homeopathy: " we are very pleased with the results so > far " . He'll get a million dollars IF what he tells is not a lie. > > But the worst thing is that I'm afraid the same idea holds for " we are > very pleased with the results of taking Houston Enzymes so far " . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 It's all about reality, not negativity or sarcasm. But dream on if you want. > > > > > The million dollar question is, do you want your kid to get better? > > Are you > > prepared to try stuff with a high sfatey record, years worth of use? > > > > If I was still tiddlying around making comments like this, my kid would > > never have made the progress he has............... > > JMHO > > Mandi in UK > > > > When I first visited this board, I thought it was set up to promote a > > certain enzyme manufacturer. But, reading along for quite some time > > now, I don't think this is true. Instead, I think it's better to > > characterize most board members as being honest, BUT not being able to > > " think critically " . It's virtually impossible what the person below > > stated about homeopathy: " we are very pleased with the results so > > far " . He'll get a million dollars IF what he tells is not a lie. > > > > But the worst thing is that I'm afraid the same idea holds for " we are > > very pleased with the results of taking Houston Enzymes so far " . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 Lots of moms are seeing results with homeopathy. There is a group I'm on called Homeopathy Special needs Child. There are about a dozen contributing homeopaths to the group as well. Read Amy lansky's book 'The Impossible Cure'. Homeopathy-SNC You can also go to SPDbayarea.org and click on the Homeopathy tab on the top (both are run by the same moderator) _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of newuserrskph Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 9:52 AM Subject: homeopathy Has anybody tried homepathy? Is it helpful? Any harmful effects? I would appreciate your feedback. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 ditto what Christy says. I'd like to mention one mistake that i made with homeopathy that may or may not help someone. I was so excited after reading Amy's book, that i went to see the only person in my area that knew something about homeopathy. Problem was that he was not a homeopathic practitioner, he was a naturopath that dispensed homeopathic remedies. The results were not good. It wasn't until i found a someone who specialized in classical homeopathy that my daugther made improvements. > > Lots of moms are seeing results with homeopathy. There is a group I'm on > called Homeopathy Special needs Child. There are about a dozen contributing > homeopaths to the group as well. Read Amy lansky's book 'The Impossible > Cure'. > Homeopathy-SNC > > > Has anybody tried homepathy? Is it helpful? Any harmful effects? I > would appreciate your feedback. Thanks in advance. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 I am new at it as well, and that group sounds very exciting. It is nice to know that contrary to how you feel as a parent personally or simply because you are the only family going down this particular road...that there are other parents out there and other support foundations. Patti:) Re: homeopathy ditto what Christy says. I'd like to mention one mistake that i made with homeopathy that may or may not help someone. I was so excited after reading Amy's book, that i went to see the only person in my area that knew something about homeopathy. Problem was that he was not a homeopathic practitioner, he was a naturopath that dispensed homeopathic remedies. The results were not good. It wasn't until i found a someone who specialized in classical homeopathy that my daugther made improvements. > > Lots of moms are seeing results with homeopathy. There is a group I'm on > called Homeopathy Special needs Child. There are about a dozen contributing > homeopaths to the group as well. Read Amy lansky's book 'The Impossible > Cure'. > Homeopathy-SNC > > > Has anybody tried homepathy? Is it helpful? Any harmful effects? I > would appreciate your feedback. Thanks in advance. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 I also know people that saw an ND that didn't practice 'classical homeopathy' and had problems. There is a checklist on the Homeopathy site that has great questions you should ask the Homeopath before you have them treat your child. I have 2 friends that switched to a 'Classical' and have seen dramatic improvements. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of newfisholdfish Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: Re: homeopathy ditto what Christy says. I'd like to mention one mistake that i made with homeopathy that may or may not help someone. I was so excited after reading Amy's book, that i went to see the only person in my area that knew something about homeopathy. Problem was that he was not a homeopathic practitioner, he was a naturopath that dispensed homeopathic remedies. The results were not good. It wasn't until i found a someone who specialized in classical homeopathy that my daugther made improvements. > > Lots of moms are seeing results with homeopathy. There is a group I'm on > called Homeopathy Special needs Child. There are about a dozen contributing > homeopaths to the group as well. Read Amy lansky's book 'The Impossible > Cure'. > http://groups. <Homeopathy-SNC> /group/Homeopathy-SNC > > > Has anybody tried homepathy? Is it helpful? Any harmful effects? I > would appreciate your feedback. Thanks in advance. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Any homeopaths recommended in Atlanta area? Thanks, Dianne Christy Carrasquilla <ccarrasquilla@...> wrote: I also know people that saw an ND that didn't practice 'classical homeopathy' and had problems. There is a checklist on the Homeopathy site that has great questions you should ask the Homeopath before you have them treat your child. I have 2 friends that switched to a 'Classical' and have seen dramatic improvements. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of newfisholdfish Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: Re: homeopathy ditto what Christy says. I'd like to mention one mistake that i made with homeopathy that may or may not help someone. I was so excited after reading Amy's book, that i went to see the only person in my area that knew something about homeopathy. Problem was that he was not a homeopathic practitioner, he was a naturopath that dispensed homeopathic remedies. The results were not good. It wasn't until i found a someone who specialized in classical homeopathy that my daugther made improvements. > > Lots of moms are seeing results with homeopathy. There is a group I'm on > called Homeopathy Special needs Child. There are about a dozen contributing > homeopaths to the group as well. Read Amy lansky's book 'The Impossible > Cure'. > http://groups. <Homeopathy-SNC> /group/Homeopathy-SNC > > > Has anybody tried homepathy? Is it helpful? Any harmful effects? I > would appreciate your feedback. Thanks in advance. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 I had a horrible reaction to homeopathic pellets. The doc who gave them to me knew I was gfcf but didn't bother to tell me the pellets are dairy-based. She later said she didn't think such a small amount would matter. As far as I know homeopathic pellets are dairy-based and homeopathic liquid contain alcohol. S S <p>> Anyone ever hear of regression with homeopathy? <br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Another problem with homeopathics for some - such as those on the Specific Carbohydrate DIet - is that the pellets are almost always lactose. FYI, a lot of REGULAR allopathic MD medicine is also in lactose tablets. Cortef being one example. Andy > I had a horrible reaction to homeopathic pellets. The doc who gave them to me knew I was gfcf but didn't bother to tell me the pellets are dairy-based. She later said she didn't think such a small amount would matter. Guess she shouldn't be practicing medicine. That is the kind of thing you ASK people, or talk to them about, you don't decide it for them. > As far as I know homeopathic pellets are dairy-based and homeopathic liquid contain alcohol. > S S > > > > <p>> Anyone ever hear of regression with homeopathy? <br> > > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 > I have found that LOW POTENCIES (not too dilute) do actually have an effect. Not surprisingly, these are the ones that aren't so dilute that they contain no material. ****Well this is informative, they always lost me when they explained dilution and how water has " memory " . This claim that the homeopathics are so dilute that they contain almost no atoms of the remedy is made by HOMEOPATHS also, not just allopathic mainstream medical religion, hence my doubtfulness. I am familiar with the principle of how allergy shots work and this makes sense to me, but sorry, water is just water, however, I get this, thanks for the explanation. The whole thing about ALL homeopathics being so dilute they contain no atoms of the remedy is one of the wilfully fraudulent claims of the human sacrificing mainstream medical religion. Up to 12 X or 6 C there is plently of material left. Ask any allergist, this is how they make allergy shots - which can kill people via anaphylaxis. Because of the religious stuff, some stores don't carry low enough dilutions (called " potency " in homeopathy) but you can find them, they are readily available. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 " ...but sorry, water is just water... " I highly recommend a book by Masaru Emoto called The Hidden Messages in Water. You can find it here: http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Messages-Water-Masaru-Emoto/dp/0743289803/sr=1-1/qi\ d=1167657719/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-3940775-0413656?ie=UTF8 & s=books and probably in your local library. The movie What the Bleep Do We Know touches on this as well. -Olif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 I have my son's homeopathic pellets made with sucrose. Since I wet dose him, the alcohol in the remedies his MD sends him evaporates in the water before I dose him. We like the results so far, very good for him. Ludwig Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work. - Aristotle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 Andy, I think you are saying that regression can occur only with the low potency (less dilute) remedies? I assume this includes remedies like aurum, plumbum, and mercurius in M or MK potencies. A very high potency like 6LM might be okay because virtually no substance is left. You have commented in archives that homeopathic drainage remedies seem to be okay. Do you still believe that? They would usually be considered low potency remedies and they often have metallic elements at 12X. -- > > > Anyone ever hear of regression with homeopathy? > > Actually, yes, i have. A lot more often than I have heard of miraculous cures. > > Putting aside the typical religous dogma that it is totally safe and cures everyone of > everything if they just enrich a constitutional homeopath enough, I have found that LOW > POTENCIES (not too dilute) do actually have an effect. Not surprisingly, these are the ones > that aren't so dilute that they contain no material. > > The whole thing about ALL homeopathics being so dilute they contain no atoms of the > remedy is one of the wilfully fraudulent claims of the human sacrificing mainstream > medical religion. Up to 12 X or 6 C there is plently of material left. Ask any allergist, this > is how they make allergy shots - which can kill people via anaphylaxis. > > Because of the religious stuff, some stores don't carry low enough dilutions (called > " potency " in homeopathy) but you can find them, they are readily available. > > Andy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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