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I think there is some confusion as well between herbal remedies and

homeopathy.

Homeopathy, as I understand it, is triggering the body to heal

itself by actually causing more of the underlying problem to push

the body into beginning its healing mechanism. Often times, various

herbal mixtures are used. Also, there is a belief of the increasing

potency through dilutions. I honestly cannot comprehend all that.

Natural healing is slightly different. It may or may not use

homeopathy. Natural healing, known sometimes as naturopathy, uses a

variety of methods -- herbal, massage, homeopathy,

accupressure/puncture, dietary, and other processes in achieving

health.

I very firmly believe in natural healing. Naturopaths used to study

right along side doctors and still have to complete a 4 yr

professional program to be certified. I'm not so sure about some

homeopathic treatments.

HTH!

Debi

I'm a little dubious

> > about homeopathy.

> > What

> > > do you think?

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Yes, I think one of the confusions between herbal and homeopathy

herbal is that let's say you are buying the ojibwa tea... that

contains ACTUAL herbs and you can measure the amount of herbs in

terms of standard measurements that you have in your kitchen-- ex.

let's say it had one quarter teaspoon of sheep sorrel, and about a

half teaspoon of " whatever " . Homeopathy, which I am no expert on by

any stretch, to my understanding means that it may be a " remedy "

using sheep sorrel, however, it was diluted sooo many times that you

or I could not " measure " it ourselves. The dilution is put into a

lactose based pill or tablet. THe dilution is supposed to stimulate

the body to heal it self. And there's something to do with the law

of similars, which I think an example would be if you are having hay

fever with runny eyes, then one remedy might be allium, from the

onion family, because onions cause runny eyes. So by using

the " similar " you stimulate the body to counteract that allergic

response (the runny eyes). I don't really understand how it all came

about but I have to say that we have done some homeopathic hepatitis

B vaccine remedies, and the first time we did it, we had MAJOR

detoxing. We did three days on three days off, repeat three times.

On the FIRST day of EACH three day cycle, Ethan would be all sweaty,

red cheeks, red ears, and have majorly foul diarrhea. This was from

a kid who was normally constipated at that time. So his body was

clearing out big time. Saw the detoxing to a lesser degree with the

second time we did it. And what prompted the last time to try it was

because he was looking very pale and sickly (dark circles under eyes,

gaunt/lean appearance) and so I asked to do it again, and sure

enough, just like the first time, he got color back in his skin--nice

fleshy complexion, and his dark circles went away, and his ribs were

not so visible. He looked really healthy. Anyway, the changes were

physically visible and enough so that I knew it was not " coincidence "

that suddenly he went from being so chronically sick looking to

healthy all within a day or two.

W

> I think there is some confusion as well between herbal remedies and

> homeopathy.

>

> Homeopathy, as I understand it, is triggering the body to heal

> itself by actually causing more of the underlying problem to push

> the body into beginning its healing mechanism. Often times, various

> herbal mixtures are used. Also, there is a belief of the increasing

> potency through dilutions.

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I started off by doing Dr.Tinus protocol of 30c, 200c, 1m & 10m of homeopathic

vaccines. It started off good but then we got a lot of aggression and lost all

of postive behaviors. I know other parents with similar reactions. Below is

someone elses experience. I really believe that you need to work with a

qualfied homeopath and not on your own. If you are working directly with Dr.

Tinus then that is wonderful!! He would know what to do next if the homeopathic

vaccines have stopped helping. This is just my opinion!!!! You may have a total

different experience than me.

Date:Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:24:10 -0400" kay edge "

<jaelen_n_faithsmom@...>From: " Anne " <arobe@...>Subject:Re:

[homeodetox-talk] update on Q potency (also known as LM) //Anne

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Hi

Sorry about the mess up - I put the thing below my message here.

We did Sequential - Elmiger's thing which Ellis learned from Verspoor (in

Canada). We did all the vaccinations 200C, 1M, 10M. On the first one my son

simply blew up - just went to somewhere out of this galaxy and didn't come back

for 6 months. We eventually got quite abit from the whole thing, but it didn't

do the whole job for him by any means. Recently I became convinced that we had

left something out of the timeline, and I returned to Ellis after being away for

several years. That's when I found out he was doing the LM's or Q potency and I

decided to do that. We are going through a number of potencies, and there is

more to it than the other was. You have to get dose right and a bunch of stuff

that wasn't part of Sequential where you just took the 3 potenices for each

remedy.

Regards,

Anne

Miles <david@...> wrote:

We have just started Dr Tinus Smit's " Post Vaccination Syndrome " protocol

and are very happy so far!

This is a link to his web site.

http://www.tinussmits.com/english/dynamic.htm?main=pvs/dynamic.htm?main1=htt

p://www.tinussmits.com/english/pvs/diagnosis.htm

Miles ( UK )

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Yes, my son benefits from the lower potencies like 12C or 30C max

whereas my daughter can " tolerate " 200C or 1M. So it does help to

have a homeopath doing this for you.

W

>

>

> I started off by doing Dr.Tinus protocol of 30c, 200c, 1m & 10m of

homeopathic vaccines. It started off good but then we got a lot of

aggression and lost all of postive behaviors. I know other parents

with similar reactions. Below is someone elses experience. I really

believe that you need to work with a qualfied homeopath and not on

your own. If you are working directly with Dr. Tinus then that is

wonderful!! He would know what to do next if the homeopathic

vaccines have stopped helping. This is just my opinion!!!! You may

have a total different experience than me.

>

> Date:Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:24:10 -0400" kay edge "

<jaelen_n_faithsmom@y...>From: " Anne " <arobe@n...>Subject:Re:

[homeodetox-talk] update on Q potency (also known as LM) //Anne

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> Hi

> Sorry about the mess up - I put the thing below my message here.

> We did Sequential - Elmiger's thing which Ellis learned from

Verspoor (in Canada). We did all the vaccinations 200C, 1M, 10M. On

the first one my son simply blew up - just went to somewhere out of

this galaxy and didn't come back for 6 months. We eventually got

quite abit from the whole thing, but it didn't do the whole job for

him by any means. Recently I became convinced that we had left

something out of the timeline, and I returned to Ellis after being

away for several years. That's when I found out he was doing the LM's

or Q potency and I decided to do that. We are going through a number

of potencies, and there is more to it than the other was. You have to

get dose right and a bunch of stuff that wasn't part of Sequential

where you just took the 3 potenices for each remedy.

> Regards,

> Anne

>

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Hi .

We are currently trying Dr Tinus Smits " post vaccination syndrome " protocol.

We are about 1/3 of the way into it and are finding the whole process quite

nerve-racking and spooky, to see reactions to the homeopathic remedies.

Miles.

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Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:44:34 -0000

From: " mydgtd " <ryno@...>

Subject: Homeopathy?

Has anyone tried a homeopathic remedy by HEEL called " Detox-Kit " ?

Has anyone tried any homeopathic remedies for mercury and other

metal detox?

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In a message dated 1/7/2005 11:04:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, " Miles "

<david@...> writes:

are finding the whole process quite

>nerve-racking and spooky, to see reactions to the homeopathic remedies.

Can you elaborate--do you think this is working for your child?

Thanks,

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Homeopathy remedies really works but you have to find a very good

Doctor because homeopathy is more than medicine is an Art, the

Doctor has to find the right medicine for your kid or you it is

unique for each individual and that it is the Key for the success

myself and my son are living proof that work my son got his

intestines cure in 4 months of treatment.

> In a message dated 1/7/2005 11:04:02 AM Eastern Standard

Time, " Miles " <david@a...> writes:

>

> are finding the whole process quite

> >nerve-racking and spooky, to see reactions to the homeopathic

remedies.

>

>

> Can you elaborate--do you think this is working for your child?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

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Hi .

I would say that so far homeopathy is working.

My son is 14 years old and quite severely autistic. We have finished one

treatment for his last vaccination ( diphtheria tetanus polio ). We have so

far seen more calmness/focus. No more cyclic ups and downs. He had a

reaction that brought him out in a large rash/bruise that covered most of

the outside of his thigh at the same spot that he received the vaccination

when he was a baby!

We do like Dr Smits PVS protocol because it is firstly a diagnostic tool

that indicates quickly if your child actually has a problem with

vaccinations. Also with the protocol you can treat reactions with dilutions

of the remedies.

As I said before, we are only about a third of the way into it and we have

no idea if it is going to " do the trick " , but we are feeling quite

exited/optimistic about it so far.

Regards.

Miles.

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The million dollar question is, do you want your kid to get better? Are you

prepared to try stuff with a high sfatey record, years worth of use?

If I was still tiddlying around making comments like this, my kid would

never have made the progress he has...............

JMHO

Mandi in UK

When I first visited this board, I thought it was set up to promote a

certain enzyme manufacturer. But, reading along for quite some time

now, I don't think this is true. Instead, I think it's better to

characterize most board members as being honest, BUT not being able to

" think critically " . It's virtually impossible what the person below

stated about homeopathy: " we are very pleased with the results so

far " . He'll get a million dollars IF what he tells is not a lie.

But the worst thing is that I'm afraid the same idea holds for " we are

very pleased with the results of taking Houston Enzymes so far " .

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In a message dated 11/03/2005 20:43:11 GMT Standard Time,

frankyvanhecke@... writes:

It's all about reality

Which you will never find out unless you try................:)

MAndi in UK

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Congratulations , you're millionaire from now on!

http://www.randi.org/research/

When I first visited this board, I thought it was set up to promote a

certain enzyme manufacturer. But, reading along for quite some time

now, I don't think this is true. Instead, I think it's better to

characterize most board members as being honest, BUT not being able to

" think critically " . It's virtually impossible what the person below

stated about homeopathy: " we are very pleased with the results so

far " . He'll get a million dollars IF what he tells is not a lie.

But the worst thing is that I'm afraid the same idea holds for " we are

very pleased with the results of taking Houston Enzymes so far " .

> Hello List.

>

> We are currently using the homeopathic PVS ( post vaccination syndrome )

> protocol developed by Dr Tinus Smits.

>

>

http://www.tinussmits.com/english/dynamic.htm?main=pvs/dynamic.htm?main1=htt

> p://www.tinussmits.com/english/pvs/diagnosis.htm

>

>

> We have only completed one vaccination remedy ( it took us about two

> months! ) but we are very pleased with the results so far.

>

> Miles

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I agree... the last thing we need around here is closed-minded

negativity and sarcasm. Unbelievable.

On Mar 11, 2005, at 11:19 AM, Mum231ASD@... wrote:

>

> The million dollar question is, do you want your kid to get better?

> Are you

> prepared to try stuff with a high sfatey record, years worth of use?

>

> If I was still tiddlying around making comments like this, my kid would

> never have made the progress he has...............

> JMHO

> Mandi in UK

>

> When I first visited this board, I thought it was set up to promote a

> certain enzyme manufacturer. But, reading along for quite some time

> now, I don't think this is true. Instead, I think it's better to

> characterize most board members as being honest, BUT not being able to

> " think critically " . It's virtually impossible what the person below

> stated about homeopathy: " we are very pleased with the results so

> far " . He'll get a million dollars IF what he tells is not a lie.

>

> But the worst thing is that I'm afraid the same idea holds for " we are

> very pleased with the results of taking Houston Enzymes so far " .

>

>

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It's all about reality, not negativity or sarcasm. But dream on if you

want.

>

> >

> > The million dollar question is, do you want your kid to get better?

> > Are you

> > prepared to try stuff with a high sfatey record, years worth of use?

> >

> > If I was still tiddlying around making comments like this, my kid

would

> > never have made the progress he has...............

> > JMHO

> > Mandi in UK

> >

> > When I first visited this board, I thought it was set up to promote a

> > certain enzyme manufacturer. But, reading along for quite some time

> > now, I don't think this is true. Instead, I think it's better to

> > characterize most board members as being honest, BUT not being

able to

> > " think critically " . It's virtually impossible what the person below

> > stated about homeopathy: " we are very pleased with the results so

> > far " . He'll get a million dollars IF what he tells is not a lie.

> >

> > But the worst thing is that I'm afraid the same idea holds for

" we are

> > very pleased with the results of taking Houston Enzymes so far " .

> >

> >

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Lots of moms are seeing results with homeopathy. There is a group I'm on

called Homeopathy Special needs Child. There are about a dozen contributing

homeopaths to the group as well. Read Amy lansky's book 'The Impossible

Cure'.

Homeopathy-SNC

You can also go to SPDbayarea.org and click on the Homeopathy tab on the top

(both are run by the same moderator)

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Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 9:52 AM

Subject: homeopathy

Has anybody tried homepathy? Is it helpful? Any harmful effects? I

would appreciate your feedback. Thanks in advance.

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ditto what Christy says.

I'd like to mention one mistake that i made with homeopathy that may

or may not help someone. I was so excited after reading Amy's book,

that i went to see the only person in my area that knew something

about homeopathy. Problem was that he was not a homeopathic

practitioner, he was a naturopath that dispensed homeopathic

remedies. The results were not good. It wasn't until i found a

someone who specialized in classical homeopathy that my daugther

made improvements.

>

> Lots of moms are seeing results with homeopathy. There is a group

I'm on

> called Homeopathy Special needs Child. There are about a dozen

contributing

> homeopaths to the group as well. Read Amy lansky's book 'The

Impossible

> Cure'.

> Homeopathy-SNC

>

>

> Has anybody tried homepathy? Is it helpful? Any harmful effects? I

> would appreciate your feedback. Thanks in advance.

>

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I am new at it as well, and that group sounds very exciting. It is nice to know

that contrary to how you feel as a parent personally or simply because you are

the only family going down this particular road...that there are other parents

out there and other support foundations.

Patti:)

Re: homeopathy

ditto what Christy says.

I'd like to mention one mistake that i made with homeopathy that may

or may not help someone. I was so excited after reading Amy's book,

that i went to see the only person in my area that knew something

about homeopathy. Problem was that he was not a homeopathic

practitioner, he was a naturopath that dispensed homeopathic

remedies. The results were not good. It wasn't until i found a

someone who specialized in classical homeopathy that my daugther

made improvements.

>

> Lots of moms are seeing results with homeopathy. There is a group

I'm on

> called Homeopathy Special needs Child. There are about a dozen

contributing

> homeopaths to the group as well. Read Amy lansky's book 'The

Impossible

> Cure'.

> Homeopathy-SNC

>

>

> Has anybody tried homepathy? Is it helpful? Any harmful effects? I

> would appreciate your feedback. Thanks in advance.

>

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I also know people that saw an ND that didn't practice 'classical

homeopathy' and had problems. There is a checklist on the Homeopathy site

that has great questions you should ask the Homeopath before you have them

treat your child. I have 2 friends that switched to a 'Classical' and have

seen dramatic improvements.

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Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: homeopathy

ditto what Christy says.

I'd like to mention one mistake that i made with homeopathy that may

or may not help someone. I was so excited after reading Amy's book,

that i went to see the only person in my area that knew something

about homeopathy. Problem was that he was not a homeopathic

practitioner, he was a naturopath that dispensed homeopathic

remedies. The results were not good. It wasn't until i found a

someone who specialized in classical homeopathy that my daugther

made improvements.

>

> Lots of moms are seeing results with homeopathy. There is a group

I'm on

> called Homeopathy Special needs Child. There are about a dozen

contributing

> homeopaths to the group as well. Read Amy lansky's book 'The

Impossible

> Cure'.

> http://groups. <Homeopathy-SNC>

/group/Homeopathy-SNC

>

>

> Has anybody tried homepathy? Is it helpful? Any harmful effects? I

> would appreciate your feedback. Thanks in advance.

>

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Any homeopaths recommended in Atlanta area? Thanks, Dianne

Christy Carrasquilla <ccarrasquilla@...> wrote: I also know

people that saw an ND that didn't practice 'classical

homeopathy' and had problems. There is a checklist on the Homeopathy site

that has great questions you should ask the Homeopath before you have them

treat your child. I have 2 friends that switched to a 'Classical' and have

seen dramatic improvements.

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of newfisholdfish

Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: homeopathy

ditto what Christy says.

I'd like to mention one mistake that i made with homeopathy that may

or may not help someone. I was so excited after reading Amy's book,

that i went to see the only person in my area that knew something

about homeopathy. Problem was that he was not a homeopathic

practitioner, he was a naturopath that dispensed homeopathic

remedies. The results were not good. It wasn't until i found a

someone who specialized in classical homeopathy that my daugther

made improvements.

>

> Lots of moms are seeing results with homeopathy. There is a group

I'm on

> called Homeopathy Special needs Child. There are about a dozen

contributing

> homeopaths to the group as well. Read Amy lansky's book 'The

Impossible

> Cure'.

> http://groups. <Homeopathy-SNC>

/group/Homeopathy-SNC

>

>

> Has anybody tried homepathy? Is it helpful? Any harmful effects? I

> would appreciate your feedback. Thanks in advance.

>

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I had a horrible reaction to homeopathic pellets. The doc who gave them to me

knew I was gfcf but didn't bother to tell me the pellets are dairy-based. She

later said she didn't think such a small amount would matter. As far as I know

homeopathic pellets are dairy-based and homeopathic liquid contain alcohol.

S S

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Another problem with homeopathics for some - such as those on the Specific

Carbohydrate DIet - is that the pellets are almost always lactose.

FYI, a lot of REGULAR allopathic MD medicine is also in lactose tablets. Cortef

being one

example.

Andy

> I had a horrible reaction to homeopathic pellets. The doc who gave them to me

knew I

was gfcf but didn't bother to tell me the pellets are dairy-based. She later

said she didn't

think such a small amount would matter.

Guess she shouldn't be practicing medicine. That is the kind of thing you ASK

people, or

talk to them about, you don't decide it for them.

> As far as I know homeopathic pellets are dairy-based and homeopathic liquid

contain

alcohol.

> S S

>

>

>

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> I have found that LOW

POTENCIES (not too dilute) do actually have an effect. Not surprisingly, these

are the ones

that aren't so dilute that they contain no material.

****Well this is informative, they always lost me when they explained dilution

and how water has " memory " . This claim that the homeopathics are so dilute that

they contain almost no atoms of the remedy is made by HOMEOPATHS also, not just

allopathic mainstream medical religion, hence my doubtfulness. I am familiar

with the principle of how allergy shots work and this makes sense to me, but

sorry, water is just water, however, I get this, thanks for the explanation.

The whole thing about ALL homeopathics being so dilute they contain no atoms

of the

remedy is one of the wilfully fraudulent claims of the human sacrificing

mainstream

medical religion. Up to 12 X or 6 C there is plently of material left. Ask any

allergist, this

is how they make allergy shots - which can kill people via anaphylaxis.

Because of the religious stuff, some stores don't carry low enough dilutions

(called

" potency " in homeopathy) but you can find them, they are readily available.

Andy

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" ...but sorry, water is just water... "

I highly recommend a book by Masaru Emoto called The Hidden Messages in Water.

You can find it here:

http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Messages-Water-Masaru-Emoto/dp/0743289803/sr=1-1/qi\

d=1167657719/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-3940775-0413656?ie=UTF8 & s=books and probably in

your local library.

The movie What the Bleep Do We Know touches on this as well.

-Olif

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I have my son's homeopathic pellets made with sucrose. Since I wet

dose him, the alcohol in the remedies his MD sends him evaporates in

the water before I dose him. We like the results so far, very good

for him.

Ludwig

Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work.

- Aristotle

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Andy,

I think you are saying that regression can occur only with

the low potency (less dilute) remedies? I assume this includes

remedies like aurum, plumbum, and mercurius in M or MK potencies.

A very high potency like 6LM might be okay because virtually no

substance is left.

You have commented in archives that homeopathic drainage

remedies seem to be okay. Do you still believe that? They

would usually be considered low potency remedies and they

often have metallic elements at 12X.

--

>

> > Anyone ever hear of regression with homeopathy?

>

> Actually, yes, i have. A lot more often than I have heard of

miraculous cures.

>

> Putting aside the typical religous dogma that it is totally safe and

cures everyone of

> everything if they just enrich a constitutional homeopath enough, I

have found that LOW

> POTENCIES (not too dilute) do actually have an effect. Not

surprisingly, these are the ones

> that aren't so dilute that they contain no material.

>

> The whole thing about ALL homeopathics being so dilute they contain

no atoms of the

> remedy is one of the wilfully fraudulent claims of the human

sacrificing mainstream

> medical religion. Up to 12 X or 6 C there is plently of material

left. Ask any allergist, this

> is how they make allergy shots - which can kill people via

anaphylaxis.

>

> Because of the religious stuff, some stores don't carry low enough

dilutions (called

> " potency " in homeopathy) but you can find them, they are readily

available.

>

> Andy

>

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