Re: when is it enough? (Armour)

[Guest guest]

My labs were ft3 5.6 (3.2-6.2) ft4 12.2 (10.2-17.2)

With these labs I would say oyu stillneed a tad more Armour. Your T4 is still

not midrange whihc tells me your body is converting all it can to T3 as it

needs more. I do nto see adrnela problems here as T3 would go over range and T4

higher is your body was not able to utilize it from low cortiosl.

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[Guest guest]

As always, cheers Val your a star!

Your last post was music to my ears. You mention a tad more armour (or

t4?)- how much do you think? 15 or 30mg, bearing in mind I just raised

15mg last week. Should we aim for no symtpoms or just as few as

possible and ofcourse how do we know if we are there?

Would you mind having a quick look at the rest of my last labs

(15/10/07) and commenting? Doc Hertoghe didn't test my saliva.

BTW I did my labs from memory and didn't get it exactly right (but

almost). I just checked them -

ft3 5.3 (3.4-6.3)

ft4 11.7 (9.0-19.0)

TSH <0.05.

No antibodies

cortisol morning 12.7 (5.0-25.0),

free cortisol 7.74 (10.00-30.00),

transcortine 39 (20-50),

DHEA sulfate 290 (120-520)

free testosteron 119.72 (50.0-280.0),

testerone 7.51 (2.8-11.0,

oestradiol 27 (man=44)

24hour urine free cortisol 35.0 (45-60),

growth hormone 4.7 (0.0-10.0),

aldosterone 10.2 (2.2-21.4)

natrium 138 (135-145),

ferritine 31 (20-250),

B12 279 (189-1553)

I've already started iron and b12 suppletion and am taking sea salt

2dd (and it helps). Do you see any need for HC use here? Doc Hertoghe

said yes but I doubt it and to be honest feel better without HC as

long as I don't stress.

Thanks, Steve

[Guest guest]

Yes I do see a need for HC but very low dose. I woudl try 2.5mg Am and

again at noon. Starting on too much or wihtout a second dose may make

you feel worse, you may eventually find you need 5mg AM and 2.5 in four

hours. Your sodium (natrium) is low as is your aldosterone but you may

be able to correct it wiht sea salt. you could also use some DHEA but

would nbot add it wihtout HC first. I am bettign this will lower your

Free T3 a bit and you will need more Armour. I adjust thyroid by temps.

Use the graphing method described at www.drrind.com and it will show you

adrenal as well as thyroid.

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Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

thanks Val

So you do see some sense in taking HC too. Is it not possible that if

I correct the thyroid that the other 'hormone imbalances' will sort

themselves out? Maybe you can remember that I have wrote many times

about not wanting to take HC, but wanting to get better too. Is that a

contradiction in terms in my case? (meaning should I take HC anyway).

Would such a small dose cause the highs and lows of normal HC

supplementation that I disliked so much? Could it cause suppression of

normal cortisol later in the day. And the DHEA, doc put me on

25mg/day but said 25mg every other day might be ok.

Is my fear irrational? What would you do? Sorry about all the

questions - guess I'm still apprehensive?

>

> Yes I do see a need for HC but very low dose. I woudl try 2.5mg Am and

> again at noon. Starting on too much or wihtout a second dose may make

> you feel worse, you may eventually find you need 5mg AM and 2.5 in four

> hours. Your sodium (natrium) is low as is your aldosterone but you may

> be able to correct it wiht sea salt. you could also use some DHEA but

> would nbot add it wihtout HC first. I am bettign this will lower your

> Free T3 a bit and you will need more Armour. I adjust thyroid by temps.

> Use the graphing method described at www.drrind.com and it will show

you

> adrenal as well as thyroid.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

If you are worried because you had steroids in the past, this is a physiological

dose and is MUCH smaller than anything you mnay have been prescribed. It's a

good thing to take the smaller doses that Val recommends. She knows what she is

talking about.

in OH

>>>Would such a small dose cause the highs and lows of normal HC

supplementation that I disliked so much?

[Guest guest]

>>So you do see some sense in taking HC too. Is it not possible that if

I correct the thyroid that the other 'hormone imbalances' will sort

themselves out? Maybe you can remember that I have wrote many times

about not wanting to take HC, but wanting to get better too. Is that a

contradiction in terms in my case? (meaning should I take HC anyway). <<

You cannot corrrect the htyroid at the tisasue level without enough cortiosl in

your body. So this is false hope. I do nto believe ther eis ANY supression at

15MG or less of HC. Especially the doses I suggested. I woudl do it cause

leaving ti go longer only makes them worse, and trying to force thyroid on a

body wiht low cortiosl makes for MORE adrenal stress.

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Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

You are right where I was several months ago. There was so much scary

stuff out there about HC that I didn't want to increase to 20mg from

10mg. And even the 10mg was freaking me out. I think you have to look

at it the same way you would look at insulin. If someone who doesn't

need insulin were to take it, it could be very bad for them especially

if they took it long term. I am not knowledgable about it, but I would

guess that it might even cause you to develop blood sugar issues. But,

if you are diabetic, you need the insulin to replace that which your

body can not produce on its own. HC is the same way for those of us

with Adrenal Fatigue. The very small dose that Val has suggested is

considered very safe by those familiar with Adrenal Fatigue and the

safe use of physiological doses of HC. That being said, it is your

body and you have to be comfortable with what you put in it. Do a lot

of research on the web. If you really don't want to try the HC you

might want to consider adrenal glandulars or even licorice. I don't

remember how bad your AF is so I cant tell you how likely it is that

any of these things might work for you. All I can tell you is that I

took an Adrenal Fatigue supplement made by Teitlebaum that has

glandulars in it for over 2 years and when I took the saliva test this

spring I came back stage 5. So for me, glandulars were not enough. You

may be different.

Whatever you decide, I wish you luck.

English

>I have wrote many times

> about not wanting to take HC, but wanting to get better too.

[Guest guest]

Thanks to all of you so much, isn't this forum fantastic! For a time I

didn't think there was anybody within 100km in the same predicament as

me (maybe there isn't) but its great to be able to talk to you all and

share knowledge and support - and connect.

Thanks again, Steve

>

> If you are worried because you had steroids in the past, this is a

physiological dose and is MUCH smaller than anything you mnay have

been prescribed. It's a good thing to take the smaller doses that Val

recommends. She knows what she is talking about.

>

> in OH

>

> >>>Would such a small dose cause the highs and lows of normal HC

> supplementation that I disliked so much?

>

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