paradox of parasites; Dr.S.Byrnes

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I would just like to say that a lot of the ground in this new thread on

parasites was just covered a few days ago between and . If any

of you are new to this thread it might be helpful to read the interaction

between two worthy and extremely articulate protagonists. I only say this

because it seems like a lot of the same issues are being covered again

and I doubt very seriously they will be resolved here in this forum. Plus

some people seem to be laying down the gauntlet again with the rather

STRONG tone of their comments and if experience serves me right to reply

with equal strength would open one up to rebuke from others on this list.

Just a suggestion, ignore it if you think it is stupid. No need to

respond in the forum or to me privately. My inbox is loaded with messages

from this group so if I do respond it will be SLOWLY and GENTLY :-).

Bianca

On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:42:05 +0100 son

<hjacobson@...> writes:

Message: 8

Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 07:12:35 -1000

From: " Dr. Byrnes " <daxx404@...>

Subject: Re: paradox of parasites

> Sally and I did an article a while back on the parasite craze for a

Canadian

magazine. The piece was mostly directed against Hulda and similar

" flukie groupies. " I can post the article to the discussion group if you

like (though I don't have Sally's section).... >

Thanks, I'd appreciate seeing that articl, with Sally's sanction.

To others in this thread: I am not a fan of because she has put

all illness under her

umbrella and is terribly simplistic. I have no idea what the zapper is

supposed to do.

I do not know about parasites targeting organs or bone marrow. These

are the kinds of things that

I fear though--some dark, sinister activity on the part of the

parasites....that perhaps shows up

only after years.

Sally Fallon recommends freezing meat for 14 days to rid it of

parasites. I do not know if she

wrote this to make the book more politically correct, or if she truly

ideologically differs from

others who espouse it is better to eat 'high' meat, full of bacteria and

who-cares-about-parasites.

son

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Here it is:

WHERE THE WORM DIETH NOT:

Parasites & disease

by

Byrnes, PhD, RNCP & Sally Fallon, MA

Published in HEALTH NATURALLY, Canada, August 1998

Within the last few years, there has been an increasing amount of

information in the natural health community on parasites. Health magazines

routinely run ads for " Parasite Cleanses " manufactured by various supplement

companies. Additionally, some writers have given parasites a seemingly

endless endowment of pathogenic powers. It is even claimed by some popular

books that assorted parasites (in combination with various chemicals) are

the root cause of several diseases. Whether it is cancer, chronic fatigue

syndrome, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's, or AIDS, etc., parasites are

blamed for both chronic and acute diseases.

For several reasons explained here, it does not appear that these claims

are true. While parasites are a valid concern for many people throughout the

world and certainly can cause serious diseases (even death), they are, in

fact, a minor issue for most western peoples. Knowing more about parasites

and how to protect oneself against them are important things for

health-conscious people to be aware of.

REAL PARASITIC DISEASES

Without question, parasites do exist and do cause serious health problems

for many of the world's peoples. Shistosomiasis, for example, the medical

term for infestation by various fluke worms, is widespread in certain parts

of Asia, Africa, and tropical America. Parasites typically infect those who

are weakened by other factors, those with a poor digestive system

(especially a toxic colon and a lack of stomach acid), and those who

improperly prepare certain foods (see Sidebar). A parasitic disease can

cause digestive upsets, diarrhea, certain nutritional deficiencies, loss of

weight, fever, abdominal pain, and possible infestation of other organs.

Shistosomiasis, for example, will affect the body areas where the larvae

have settled after burrowing through the skin via exposure to infested

streams, lakes, or ponds.

DOES EVERYONE HAVE PARASITES?

According to some, yes. Technically, a parasite is ANY organism that lives

off of the host it infects. Viruses, for example, are cellular parasites. In

everyday medicine, however, a parasite is a worm or fluke that usually

resides in the intestines. Part of the problem with current claims about

parasites is that writers do not make this distinction, i.e., they classify

any foreign organism living inside of us as a parasite. What goes in to this

category? Protozoa, bacteria, viruses, yeasts (such as candida albicans),

fungi, and, of course, worms and flukes. With such an all-encompassing

definition, the oft heard claim that " everyone has parasites " is easy to

prove since all of us are host to many organisms. Whether or not they

actually do any harm to us is another matter, however.

VARIOUS CLAIMS

Cancer & Tumors: Some popular health writers have claimed that a certain

parasite (Fasiolopsis buskii), in combination with certain chemicals, heavy

metals, and aflatoxin (a carcinogenic mold) cause all cancers. Through a

complex interplay not understood or explained, the fluke begins to multiply

rapidly and excretes a growth hormone called HCG, or ortho-phospho-tyrosine.

This hormone, according to these writers, is the main " cancer marker " and

causes cells to overmultiply, resulting in a tumor.

Though an interesting theory, it does not appear that its true. First, it

is indeed strange that not one cancer researcher has ever found this

fluke-parasite in the tissues of cancer patients, or present in a tumorous

growth. While this fluke does go through growth stages in which it is very

small, at adulthood, it can be up to an inch long and, therefore, easy to

see. Not locating it in a person riddled with cancer, either in its adult or

larval stage, casts doubt on this theory.

Further, according to other cancer researchers, HCG is not a marker for all

cancers. According to CancerGuide author Steve Dunn, " There is NO

independent verification at all that these tests [for HCG] really work

(though HCG is a marker for [only] one rare cancer). "

HIV & AIDS: Some also claim that Fasiolopsis buskii is the carrier of HIV

and, therefore, the main causative agent (along with a chemical solvent

called benzene) of AIDS. In a time when some alternative AIDS researchers

are doubting whether HIV really exists due to a lack of evidence, this claim

is indeed astonishing.

Once again, one would expect to find this fluke in large numbers in people

with AIDS, but such is not the case. To our knowledge, not one researcher in

the last 15 years has discovered this fluke in the thymus glands of AIDS

patients. It is true that people with weakened immune systems are more at

risk for parasitic infections, but they are not universal among such people.

Project AIDS International in Los Angeles conducted a study/test of his

members using anti-parasitic protocols. " We're always willing to try a

promising new therapy, especially this one as it is so simple, " said PAI's

director Selvey. " To our surprise and disappointment, no one was

" cured, " but a few people reported an improvement in their well being. We

do agree, however, that benzene is a factor in AIDS, with or without

parasites. "

Various Diseases: Besides these two major diseases, claims are made

implicating various parasites and chemicals in numerous other diseases. Once

again, the question of adequate proof, beyond that offered by the writers in

question, arises. It is logically improbable to suppose that after decades

of careful, exploratory research not one scientist has asserted that

parasites and chemical solvents are causing multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's,

Parkinson's, diabetes, etc..

POSITIVE RESULTS

Clinically, however, several people do improve markedly upon embarking on

an antiparasitic protocol. As a practitioner, I've determined there are

three likely explanations:

1. The person really did have some type of parasitic infection that the

protocol eradicated. The people most likely to fall into this category are

those with poor health in general, or those with weakened digestive systems,

especially a toxic colon, a prime breeding ground for disease and an open

invitation for parasitic infestations. People with strong digestive and

immune systems do not get parasites.

2. The herbs used in antiparasitic protocols are themselves potent

detoxifiers. Wormwood, for example, is a strong digestive herb with a

cleansing effect on the liver. If one can bone up his digestion and detoxify

his liver, then well being and improvement will follow, no matter what

condition one has.

3. The herbs used are very effective against candida albicans, a noxious

yeast fungus that is a problem for many people. In one case I remember, an

HIV positive man had suffered from dull chest pains for years, one of the

signs, according to some parasite enthusiasts, that the flukes had infested

the thymus gland. Upon embarking on the herbal protocol, the dull pains

disappeared. The patient thought this proved the theory. Later on, however,

he discovered that dull chest pains are one of the symptoms of systemic

candidiasis, his real problem. The pains went away because the herbs were

attacking the yeast that had colonized his body.

CONCLUSION

Without question, many of the recommendations made by some parasite

writers, such as systemic cleansing and avoidance of toxic chemicals, are

very sound. Declaring, however, that assorted flukes and worms are causing

the majority of humanity's ills does not appear to be true. Though certainly

a problem to be aware of, especially if you have travelled to or lived in

parts of the world known for parasitic infections, if you're a healthy

person with a clean digestive tract and if you're preparing foods correctly

(see Sidebar), you are unlikely to contract parasites or be bugged by them.

Byrnes is author of Overcoming AIDS with Natural Medicine (Centaur

Books; Honolulu). Sally Fallon is author of Nourishing Traditions: The

Cookbook that Successfully Challenges Politically Correct Nutrition and the

Diet Dictocrats (ProMotion Publishing; San Diego).

SOURCES

Hulda , ND, PhD. The Cure for All Diseases (New Century Press; 1995).

Steve Dunn. " Hulda 's ‘Cure for All Cancers.' " Posted on

www.cancerguide.org.

Hartung. " Parasites: The Hidden Health Menace, " Health Freedom News,

Feb/March 1997.

Cathleen Hodgson. " Cure for All Cancers: An Interview with Dr. Hulda . "

Posted on www.healthres.com

Selvey. Personal interview with Byrnes, 2/14/99.

Morton , DPM. " You Can Eliminate Parasites to Cure All Diseases, " The

Townsend Letter for Doctors, Feb/March 1997.

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Has anyone here read Lights Out, Sleep, Sugar and Survival by T.S. Wiley with

Bent Formby Ph.D.? Personally, I'd put more weight toward today's disease

(crime too) skyrocketing like this book does in the light bulb and sugar

coming

into wide human use at the same time. No one has evolved to defy the thousands

of years of human history, instinct or the effects of these to our serotonin,

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believable if it has human nature or history thats worked behind it.

Wanita

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On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:42:05 +0100 son

<hjacobson@...> writes:

I do not know about parasites targeting organs or bone marrow. These

are the kinds of things that

I fear though--some dark, sinister activity on the part of the

parasites....that perhaps shows up

only after years.

Sally Fallon recommends freezing meat for 14 days to rid it of

parasites. I do not know if she

wrote this to make the book more politically correct, or if she truly

ideologically differs from

others who espouse it is better to eat 'high' meat, full of bacteria and

who-cares-about-parasites.

son

Hillary,

Judging from what I have read, I would guess that Sally is truly

ideologically opposed to the " high meat " group and would consider this

practice, extreme, although one of the groups studied by Price did

consume such meat. But I could be wrong.

I'm not convinced the FDA is right on the benefits of freezing. I think

that freezing slows down but does not stop the growth of bacteria and or

parasites. I posted a link awhile back which takes up this subject. So

the best bet, IMO, is to make sure your source is clean and resistent.

Which starts with the soil...

Bianca

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Bianca:

> I'm not convinced the FDA is right on the benefits

> of freezing. I think that freezing slows down but

> does not stop the growth of bacteria and or parasites.

As far as I'm aware, the only claim they make regarding freezing is that

freezing to below -20 degrees Celsius (-4 degrees Fahreheit) for at least 48

hours will kill certain parasites. In fact, the only parasite that in my

research is consistently indicated as being taken care of by freezing is

Toxoplasma gondii. Some sources indicated that Trichinella spiralis and

others can be eliminated that way as well, but other sources indicate that

they can't be. T. gondii is apparently more sensitive to cold than others.

That would be supported by livestock parasite treatment protocols which

often call for administering the treatment after a hard freeze if possible.

I haven't seen anything yet that indicates that freezing is of *any* use to

reliably kill bacteria. Also, it's worth noting that the temperatures

necessary to supposedly kill the T. gondii parasite are well below the

temperatures that home freezers typically achieve. An industrial or

commercial freezer is generally necessary.

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Hi ,

Here is the quote from NT:

" The problem of parasites in beef or lamb is easily solved. Simply freeze

the meat for 14 days. According to the United States Department of

Agriculture, this will kill off all parasites " (page 231 - second

edition) "

So my reference to the FDA is incorrect, and I am agreement with what

you wrote. But Sally's statement is far more sweeping that what you say

below.

Bianca

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:45:26 -0600 Kroyer

<skroyer@...> writes:

Bianca:

> I'm not convinced the FDA is right on the benefits

> of freezing. I think that freezing slows down but

> does not stop the growth of bacteria and or parasites.

As far as I'm aware, the only claim they make regarding freezing is that

freezing to below -20 degrees Celsius (-4 degrees Fahreheit) for at least

48

hours will kill certain parasites. In fact, the only parasite that in my

research is consistently indicated as being taken care of by freezing is

Toxoplasma gondii. Some sources indicated that Trichinella spiralis and

others can be eliminated that way as well, but other sources indicate

that

they can't be. T. gondii is apparently more sensitive to cold than

others.

That would be supported by livestock parasite treatment protocols which

often call for administering the treatment after a hard freeze if

possible.

I haven't seen anything yet that indicates that freezing is of *any* use

to

reliably kill bacteria. Also, it's worth noting that the temperatures

necessary to supposedly kill the T. gondii parasite are well below the

temperatures that home freezers typically achieve. An industrial or

commercial freezer is generally necessary.

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I apologize if this comes through to the list twice. I originally sent it

about 10 hours ago, but it doesn't seem to have gone through.

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Hi bianca, list,

>>>>Here is the quote from NT:

" The problem of parasites in beef or lamb is easily solved. Simply freeze

the meat for 14 days. According to the United States Department of

Agriculture, this will kill off all parasites " (page 231 - second

edition) "

Thanks for the quote

Does anyone have an opinion on the ability of stomach acid to kill at least

*some* pathogenic bacteria that *might* be present on raw meat (as well as

raw vegetables, for that matter)? I've been looking into human stomach acid

pH recently, and found that it is very similar to that of dogs: 1-3 (I

believe this is typical fasting pH). It is argued that dogs, as carnivores,

can handle raw meat without problems, as that's what they've evolved on.

Well, so haven't we, no? The main difference being, of course, that dogs'

pre-domestication ancestors (grey wolves) evolved on a primarily whole prey

diet, whereas humans are known to have consumed plants as well as animal

flesh/organs.

So, my understanding is that two of our main *natural* defenses against

(some) pathogenic microbes is HCl with pH 1-3, and robust colonies of

beneficial bacteria...is this correct? Although, obviously some people are

not able to ward of bacterial diseases, since some become ill as a result of

bacterial infection. I was extremely sick with salmonella typhii myself, so

can atest to this first hand!

Do we have any other 'natural' defenses against ingested pathogens, in

addition to HCl and 'friendly' bacteria?

Suze Fisher

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