Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Hi Lynne I was reading about vit D. It doesn't seem that we can not control the ratio of D25 to D1,25. Vit D25 is converted to D1,25 by our kidneys. by lowering intake of vit D or not exposed to sunlight both form of vit D will go down. I am low in vit D. I guess some of my muscle weakness and pain are relted to vit D definciency. But I am afraid to take any Vit D supplement because of SD. I take fish oil 1000 mg twice a day but it doesn't have Vit D. Did you take protein shakes to put on weight? did it work?. Dolores says it workd for her. soheila --- ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Hi Soheila I did not take any protein shakes as they either have wheat or soy in the ones that I can get here.I can't touch either so I just gor a lot of nutrents from Sweet potatoes,squash,avocadoes.Starches turn into sugars pretty fast and there are so many good vitamins in those foods.Your fish oil does have D in it.There is no way of removing it,sorry to say.My D 25 was 490 and D1,25 was 580 for a ratio of 2.8. Things are measured differently here.I do everything possible to avoid D and it did wrok because I got much better .I still get some as there is no way to totally avoid it in a greenhouse even when covered up.I just can't stand a hat as it gets caught up in the hanging plants' roots and comes off every few second so I just quit wearing it. Lynne soheila A wrote: > Hi Lynne > > I was reading about vit D. It doesn't seem that we can > not control the ratio of D25 to D1,25. > Vit D25 is converted to D1,25 by our kidneys. by > lowering intake of vit D or not exposed to sunlight > both form of vit D will go down. > I am low in vit D. I guess some of my muscle weakness > and pain are relted to vit D definciency. But I am > afraid to take any Vit D supplement because of SD. > I take fish oil 1000 mg twice a day but it doesn't > have Vit D. > Did you take protein shakes to put on weight? did it > work?. Dolores says it workd for her. > > soheila > --- > > __________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www./r/hs <http://www./r/hs> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Thank you, Lynne. Do your numbers fall into the low, middle, or high of the lab range? I don't know what your lab ranges are... to get an idea where your numbers fall. Sounds like you think you are still getting some D from the sun. If you tell me low middle or high, that will help me get an idea for comparison. I suspect you are doing well because of your diet. Congratulations on that. For me, that is the hardest part. Do you eat meat or are you a veggie? Amy lynneandsantos wrote: > > Hi Soheila > I did not take any protein shakes as they either have wheat or soy > in the ones that I can get here.I can't touch either so I just gor a lot > of nutrents from Sweet potatoes,squash,avocadoes.Starches turn into > sugars pretty fast and there are so many good vitamins in those > foods.Your fish oil does have D in it.There is no way of removing > it,sorry to say.My D 25 was 490 and D1,25 was 580 for a ratio of 2.8. > Things are measured differently here.I do everything possible to avoid D > and it did wrok because I got much better .I still get some as there is > no way to totally avoid it in a greenhouse even when covered up.I just > can't stand a hat as it gets caught up in the hanging plants' roots and > comes off every few second so I just quit wearing it. Lynne > > soheila A wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Amy the ratio should be around 1 to 1.2. I was just about triple but have knocked it down considerably.The recent results are at the doc's as I forgot the paper but if I remember correctly it was 1.9,still tooooooo high but at least it allowed the AP to work well Amy wrote: > Thank you, Lynne. Do your numbers fall into the low, middle, or high of > the lab range? > > I don't know what your lab ranges are... to get an idea where your > numbers fall. Sounds like you think you are still getting some D from > the sun. If you tell me low middle or high, that will help me get an > idea for comparison. > > I suspect you are doing well because of your diet. Congratulations on > that. For me, that is the hardest part. Do you eat meat or are you a > veggie? > > Amy > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > Hi Soheila > > I did not take any protein shakes as they either have wheat or soy > > in the ones that I can get here.I can't touch either so I just gor a lot > > of nutrents from Sweet potatoes,squash,avocadoes.Starches turn into > > sugars pretty fast and there are so many good vitamins in those > > foods.Your fish oil does have D in it.There is no way of removing > > it,sorry to say.My D 25 was 490 and D1,25 was 580 for a ratio of 2.8. > > Things are measured differently here.I do everything possible to avoid D > > and it did wrok because I got much better .I still get some as there is > > no way to totally avoid it in a greenhouse even when covered up.I just > > can't stand a hat as it gets caught up in the hanging plants' roots and > > comes off every few second so I just quit wearing it. Lynne > > > > soheila A wrote: > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Oops,forgot to tell you that I have full blown celiac and not just celiac syndrome,Can't have beef or daity,no legumes,no sugar cane products,no citrus,no nightshades,no asperigus,nothing with D such as fish,eggs,no soy(but that is not good for anyone) unless it is fermented and then it is o.k. for me even though it is a legume,no lamb and of course,no grains.Luckily I am a good cook and do a lot of Thai,Chinese and Indian foods..Once every few months I treat myself to a Big Mac but never ever tell my doc....who 9is celiac also and probably cheats also. Lynne Amy wrote: > Thank you, Lynne. Do your numbers fall into the low, middle, or high of > the lab range? > > I don't know what your lab ranges are... to get an idea where your > numbers fall. Sounds like you think you are still getting some D from > the sun. If you tell me low middle or high, that will help me get an > idea for comparison. > > I suspect you are doing well because of your diet. Congratulations on > that. For me, that is the hardest part. Do you eat meat or are you a > veggie? > > Amy > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > Hi Soheila > > I did not take any protein shakes as they either have wheat or soy > > in the ones that I can get here.I can't touch either so I just gor a lot > > of nutrents from Sweet potatoes,squash,avocadoes.Starches turn into > > sugars pretty fast and there are so many good vitamins in those > > foods.Your fish oil does have D in it.There is no way of removing > > it,sorry to say.My D 25 was 490 and D1,25 was 580 for a ratio of 2.8. > > Things are measured differently here.I do everything possible to avoid D > > and it did wrok because I got much better .I still get some as there is > > no way to totally avoid it in a greenhouse even when covered up.I just > > can't stand a hat as it gets caught up in the hanging plants' roots and > > comes off every few second so I just quit wearing it. Lynne > > > > soheila A wrote: > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Hi, Lynne. Well, I wasn't trying to know your ratio... I was trying to understand your levels compared with your lab ranges. For instance, when I get my tests (for anything), the report shows MY test result, and next to that will show the 'normal' range numbers that the lab uses. My D25 test result is 64, and the normal range is 30-100. So, my 64 number is about smack in the middle of that range. A deficiency is a number below 30. A test results of 40 would be near the low end of the range. Maybe you're in a European country because your test measurements are different. Still, your tests reports will show the reference ranges for each D test. Don't worry about tracking that down. I was only curious because you're doing well. Perhaps your D level is low, or perhaps your D level is in the middle, etc .... the reference range tells you how high or low your are. As someone already mentioned, managing D ratios is a bit out of our hands, The body performs a conversion in the same way it converts oxygen to carbon dioxide & a million other things. However, it seems reasonable that we would want to monitor both D levels, to see if one is wacky outside of the normal range (e.g. too high or too low). Amy lynneandsantos wrote: > > Amy the ratio should be around 1 to 1.2. I was just about triple but > have knocked it down considerably.The recent results are at the doc's as > I forgot the paper but if I remember correctly it was 1.9,still tooooooo > high but at least it allowed the AP to work well > > Amy wrote: > > > Thank you, Lynne. Do your numbers fall into the low, middle, or high of > > the lab range? > > > > I don't know what your lab ranges are... to get an idea where your > > numbers fall. Sounds like you think you are still getting some D from > > the sun. If you tell me low middle or high, that will help me get an > > idea for comparison. > > > > I suspect you are doing well because of your diet. Congratulations on > > that. For me, that is the hardest part. Do you eat meat or are you a > > veggie? > > > > Amy > > > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > > > Hi Soheila > > > I did not take any protein shakes as they either have wheat or soy > > > in the ones that I can get here.I can't touch either so I just gor > a lot > > > of nutrents from Sweet potatoes,squash,avocadoes.Starches turn into > > > sugars pretty fast and there are so many good vitamins in those > > > foods.Your fish oil does have D in it.There is no way of removing > > > it,sorry to say.My D 25 was 490 and D1,25 was 580 for a ratio of 2.8. > > > Things are measured differently here.I do everything possible to > avoid D > > > and it did wrok because I got much better .I still get some as > there is > > > no way to totally avoid it in a greenhouse even when covered up.I just > > > can't stand a hat as it gets caught up in the hanging plants' > roots and > > > comes off every few second so I just quit wearing it. Lynne > > > > > > soheila A wrote: > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Hi Amy,This D thing can be really confusing.Youd D 25 is good but can you give me your D1,25 and when I have a free momentI will try to work out the ratio.This is a methematical equasion.Remember those things in hight school? I was hoping to never have to use them again. hehehe Amy wrote: > Hi, Lynne. Well, I wasn't trying to know your ratio... I was trying to > understand your levels compared with your lab ranges. > > For instance, when I get my tests (for anything), the report shows MY > test result, and next to that will show the 'normal' range numbers that > the lab uses. My D25 test result is 64, and the normal range is > 30-100. So, my 64 number is about smack in the middle of that range. A > deficiency is a number below 30. A test results of 40 would be near the > low end of the range. > > Maybe you're in a European country because your test measurements are > different. Still, your tests reports will show the reference ranges for > each D test. Don't worry about tracking that down. I was only curious > because you're doing well. Perhaps your D level is low, or perhaps your > D level is in the middle, etc .... the reference range tells you how > high or low your are. > > As someone already mentioned, managing D ratios is a bit out of our > hands, The body performs a conversion in the same way it converts > oxygen to carbon dioxide & a million other things. However, it seems > reasonable that we would want to monitor both D levels, to see if one is > wacky outside of the normal range (e.g. too high or too low). > > Amy > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > Amy the ratio should be around 1 to 1.2. I was just about triple but > > have knocked it down considerably.The recent results are at the doc's as > > I forgot the paper but if I remember correctly it was 1.9,still tooooooo > > high but at least it allowed the AP to work well > > > > Amy wrote: > > > > > Thank you, Lynne. Do your numbers fall into the low, middle, or > high of > > > the lab range? > > > > > > I don't know what your lab ranges are... to get an idea where your > > > numbers fall. Sounds like you think you are still getting some D from > > > the sun. If you tell me low middle or high, that will help me get an > > > idea for comparison. > > > > > > I suspect you are doing well because of your diet. Congratulations on > > > that. For me, that is the hardest part. Do you eat meat or are you a > > > veggie? > > > > > > Amy > > > > > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Soheila > > > > I did not take any protein shakes as they either have wheat or soy > > > > in the ones that I can get here.I can't touch either so I just gor > > a lot > > > > of nutrents from Sweet potatoes,squash,avocadoes.Starches turn into > > > > sugars pretty fast and there are so many good vitamins in those > > > > foods.Your fish oil does have D in it.There is no way of removing > > > > it,sorry to say.My D 25 was 490 and D1,25 was 580 for a ratio of > 2.8. > > > > Things are measured differently here.I do everything possible to > > avoid D > > > > and it did wrok because I got much better .I still get some as > > there is > > > > no way to totally avoid it in a greenhouse even when covered > up.I just > > > > can't stand a hat as it gets caught up in the hanging plants' > > roots and > > > > comes off every few second so I just quit wearing it. Lynne > > > > > > > > soheila A wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Hi Sohelia. I read your other post to me and then lost it in the computer when I hit the send button.. The question was about Medrol. It has been pointed out to me that no matter what some S/D'ers do, nothing they try is helping them. I give you credit for the research you do and for trying everything. I think I met you in May or June last year. It seems like you have tried a lot of things without success since then. I am totally against steroids. However, some people need them for a jump start to reduce inflammation. I also don't know much about Medrol, but we are dealing with a terminal, stubborn illness. If Dr. W. thinks it might help, try it. You have nothing to lose. If it doesn't work, then you can try something else. My thoughts are that you may be having a block to healing because of 3 reasons, that I can think of. Maybe there are more. #1----Maybe, just maybe, you may have an overlapping disease that you do not yet know of that is stopping the medication and everything else you've tried from working. #2-----Maybe, just maybe, you need to give the Minocin some more time to work or maybe, just maybe because you are not using name brand. In that case you may need to give Brand name a try. If you are using brand name then it is back to square 1. #3-------The last thing I could think of is maybe this depressed state is having an affect on your healing mechanism. You know, like hormones and enzymes and what you are now working on in the lab. What I suggested was some things that will help you accept that your body has gone through changes. Thinking about what once was and the loss of it will not help you heal. We have to think in the now and how by accepting the changes, be able to go on and continue the best we can. If you lost your leg, you would not be able to grow another one, but you would eventually come to terms that you only have one leg and learn to manage with the healthy leg That is learning to compensate. I didn't said positive thinking would cure you. There is no cure. We can go on with the limitation and be happy that we didn't lose two legs. Brooding, IMO about losses, I think brings the immune system down. I suggested, mild activity, walks in the park during spring, some musical diversion. enlarging your circle of friends. These and many more diversions surely can't be bad for us. Take the Medrol the doctor suggested and let us know the outcome. Can you take medrol with Minocin or does one knock out the other? I know Dr. T. asked me not to mix Minocin with anything else. He didn't say why and I didn't ask, but I surmise that if I am doing more than one type of therapy at the same time, I will never know which one was working, or if they were cancelling out each other. This disease is very difficult to manage, for both Doctors and Patients. You are very intelligent. Only you can figure out what works for you. I'm working out very well with my own battle and whatever I say, it is what I learn from my own experience and not because I am any kind of an expert. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. I have tolerated both protocols well so far. I can't argue with my success. You have to find your way! I wish you luck in finding it soon. I am going away for a couple of weeks and will be off line. Will let you know when I am back. Yes, protein shakes got me over being anemic and underweight. According to Lynne, who is a Celiac, these shakes contain wheat, therfore detrimental to celiac's. You have to know every part of your body and what helps it and what hurts it. Then have to learn to listen to it. I wish you well. Be back in about two weeks. Love Dolores & Mike soheila A <soadl80@...> wrote: Hi Lynne I was reading about vit D. It doesn't seem that we can not control the ratio of D25 to D1,25. Vit D25 is converted to D1,25 by our kidneys. by lowering intake of vit D or not exposed to sunlight both form of vit D will go down. I am low in vit D. I guess some of my muscle weakness and pain are relted to vit D definciency. But I am afraid to take any Vit D supplement because of SD. I take fish oil 1000 mg twice a day but it doesn't have Vit D. Did you take protein shakes to put on weight? did it work?. Dolores says it workd for her. soheila --- __________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Hi, Lynne. I know how to calculate the ratio. I have not been asking about the ratio. I've been asking about the reference ranges that your lab gives you for your vitamin D tests. Your numbers are 490 & 580. Your lab report will give you a reference range for each of those tests. I'll assume you don't have your report, so please don't worry about this. I won't ask you about it again. Amy lynneandsantos wrote: > > Hi Amy,This D thing can be really confusing.Youd D 25 is good but can > you give me your D1,25 and when I have a free momentI will try to work > out the ratio.This is a methematical equasion.Remember those things in > hight school? I was hoping to never have to use them again. hehehe > > Amy wrote: > > > Hi, Lynne. Well, I wasn't trying to know your ratio... I was trying to > > understand your levels compared with your lab ranges. > > > > For instance, when I get my tests (for anything), the report shows MY > > test result, and next to that will show the 'normal' range numbers that > > the lab uses. My D25 test result is 64, and the normal range is > > 30-100. So, my 64 number is about smack in the middle of that range. A > > deficiency is a number below 30. A test results of 40 would be near the > > low end of the range. > > > > Maybe you're in a European country because your test measurements are > > different. Still, your tests reports will show the reference ranges for > > each D test. Don't worry about tracking that down. I was only curious > > because you're doing well. Perhaps your D level is low, or perhaps your > > D level is in the middle, etc .... the reference range tells you how > > high or low your are. > > > > As someone already mentioned, managing D ratios is a bit out of our > > hands, The body performs a conversion in the same way it converts > > oxygen to carbon dioxide & a million other things. However, it seems > > reasonable that we would want to monitor both D levels, to see if one is > > wacky outside of the normal range (e.g. too high or too low). > > > > Amy > > > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > > > Amy the ratio should be around 1 to 1.2. I was just about triple but > > > have knocked it down considerably.The recent results are at the > doc's as > > > I forgot the paper but if I remember correctly it was 1.9,still > tooooooo > > > high but at least it allowed the AP to work well > > > > > > Amy wrote: > > > > > > > Thank you, Lynne. Do your numbers fall into the low, middle, or > > high of > > > > the lab range? > > > > > > > > I don't know what your lab ranges are... to get an idea where your > > > > numbers fall. Sounds like you think you are still getting some D > from > > > > the sun. If you tell me low middle or high, that will help me get an > > > > idea for comparison. > > > > > > > > I suspect you are doing well because of your diet. > Congratulations on > > > > that. For me, that is the hardest part. Do you eat meat or are you a > > > > veggie? > > > > > > > > Amy > > > > > > > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Soheila > > > > > I did not take any protein shakes as they either have wheat or soy > > > > > in the ones that I can get here.I can't touch either so I just gor > > > a lot > > > > > of nutrents from Sweet potatoes,squash,avocadoes.Starches turn > into > > > > > sugars pretty fast and there are so many good vitamins in those > > > > > foods.Your fish oil does have D in it.There is no way of removing > > > > > it,sorry to say.My D 25 was 490 and D1,25 was 580 for a ratio of > > 2.8. > > > > > Things are measured differently here.I do everything possible to > > > avoid D > > > > > and it did wrok because I got much better .I still get some as > > > there is > > > > > no way to totally avoid it in a greenhouse even when covered > > up.I just > > > > > can't stand a hat as it gets caught up in the hanging plants' > > > roots and > > > > > comes off every few second so I just quit wearing it. Lynne > > > > > > > > > > soheila A wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Amy,both show " high " Out of all the tests on the sheet only my rbc and hematocrit are low.Everything else is spot on normal.My des rate has never been over 3. Even when I thought I was dying my labs were normal except for those first two. Lynne Amy wrote: > Hi, Lynne. I know how to calculate the ratio. I have not been asking > about the ratio. > > I've been asking about the reference ranges that your lab gives you for > your vitamin D tests. Your numbers are 490 & 580. Your lab report > will give you a reference range for each of those tests. I'll assume > you don't have your report, so please don't worry about this. I won't > ask you about it again. > > Amy > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > Hi Amy,This D thing can be really confusing.Youd D 25 is good but can > > you give me your D1,25 and when I have a free momentI will try to work > > out the ratio.This is a methematical equasion.Remember those things in > > hight school? I was hoping to never have to use them again. hehehe > > > > Amy wrote: > > > > > Hi, Lynne. Well, I wasn't trying to know your ratio... I was trying to > > > understand your levels compared with your lab ranges. > > > > > > For instance, when I get my tests (for anything), the report shows MY > > > test result, and next to that will show the 'normal' range numbers > that > > > the lab uses. My D25 test result is 64, and the normal range is > > > 30-100. So, my 64 number is about smack in the middle of that range. A > > > deficiency is a number below 30. A test results of 40 would be > near the > > > low end of the range. > > > > > > Maybe you're in a European country because your test measurements are > > > different. Still, your tests reports will show the reference > ranges for > > > each D test. Don't worry about tracking that down. I was only curious > > > because you're doing well. Perhaps your D level is low, or perhaps > your > > > D level is in the middle, etc .... the reference range tells you how > > > high or low your are. > > > > > > As someone already mentioned, managing D ratios is a bit out of our > > > hands, The body performs a conversion in the same way it converts > > > oxygen to carbon dioxide & a million other things. However, it seems > > > reasonable that we would want to monitor both D levels, to see if > one is > > > wacky outside of the normal range (e.g. too high or too low). > > > > > > Amy > > > > > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > > > > > Amy the ratio should be around 1 to 1.2. I was just about triple but > > > > have knocked it down considerably.The recent results are at the > > doc's as > > > > I forgot the paper but if I remember correctly it was 1.9,still > > tooooooo > > > > high but at least it allowed the AP to work well > > > > > > > > Amy wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Lynne. Do your numbers fall into the low, middle, or > > > high of > > > > > the lab range? > > > > > > > > > > I don't know what your lab ranges are... to get an idea where your > > > > > numbers fall. Sounds like you think you are still getting some D > > from > > > > > the sun. If you tell me low middle or high, that will help me > get an > > > > > idea for comparison. > > > > > > > > > > I suspect you are doing well because of your diet. > > Congratulations on > > > > > that. For me, that is the hardest part. Do you eat meat or are > you a > > > > > veggie? > > > > > > > > > > Amy > > > > > > > > > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Soheila > > > > > > I did not take any protein shakes as they either have wheat > or soy > > > > > > in the ones that I can get here.I can't touch either so I > just gor > > > > a lot > > > > > > of nutrents from Sweet potatoes,squash,avocadoes.Starches turn > > into > > > > > > sugars pretty fast and there are so many good vitamins in those > > > > > > foods.Your fish oil does have D in it.There is no way of > removing > > > > > > it,sorry to say.My D 25 was 490 and D1,25 was 580 for a ratio of > > > 2.8. > > > > > > Things are measured differently here.I do everything possible to > > > > avoid D > > > > > > and it did wrok because I got much better .I still get some as > > > > there is > > > > > > no way to totally avoid it in a greenhouse even when covered > > > up.I just > > > > > > can't stand a hat as it gets caught up in the hanging plants' > > > > roots and > > > > > > comes off every few second so I just quit wearing it. Lynne > > > > > > > > > > > > soheila A wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 OOOOOPPPS,I was too quick to send the first message,D25 was low,D1,25 was high Amy wrote: > Hi, Lynne. I know how to calculate the ratio. I have not been asking > about the ratio. > > I've been asking about the reference ranges that your lab gives you for > your vitamin D tests. Your numbers are 490 & 580. Your lab report > will give you a reference range for each of those tests. I'll assume > you don't have your report, so please don't worry about this. I won't > ask you about it again. > > Amy > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > Hi Amy,This D thing can be really confusing.Youd D 25 is good but can > > you give me your D1,25 and when I have a free momentI will try to work > > out the ratio.This is a methematical equasion.Remember those things in > > hight school? I was hoping to never have to use them again. hehehe > > > > Amy wrote: > > > > > Hi, Lynne. Well, I wasn't trying to know your ratio... I was trying to > > > understand your levels compared with your lab ranges. > > > > > > For instance, when I get my tests (for anything), the report shows MY > > > test result, and next to that will show the 'normal' range numbers > that > > > the lab uses. My D25 test result is 64, and the normal range is > > > 30-100. So, my 64 number is about smack in the middle of that range. A > > > deficiency is a number below 30. A test results of 40 would be > near the > > > low end of the range. > > > > > > Maybe you're in a European country because your test measurements are > > > different. Still, your tests reports will show the reference > ranges for > > > each D test. Don't worry about tracking that down. I was only curious > > > because you're doing well. Perhaps your D level is low, or perhaps > your > > > D level is in the middle, etc .... the reference range tells you how > > > high or low your are. > > > > > > As someone already mentioned, managing D ratios is a bit out of our > > > hands, The body performs a conversion in the same way it converts > > > oxygen to carbon dioxide & a million other things. However, it seems > > > reasonable that we would want to monitor both D levels, to see if > one is > > > wacky outside of the normal range (e.g. too high or too low). > > > > > > Amy > > > > > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > > > > > Amy the ratio should be around 1 to 1.2. I was just about triple but > > > > have knocked it down considerably.The recent results are at the > > doc's as > > > > I forgot the paper but if I remember correctly it was 1.9,still > > tooooooo > > > > high but at least it allowed the AP to work well > > > > > > > > Amy wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Lynne. Do your numbers fall into the low, middle, or > > > high of > > > > > the lab range? > > > > > > > > > > I don't know what your lab ranges are... to get an idea where your > > > > > numbers fall. Sounds like you think you are still getting some D > > from > > > > > the sun. If you tell me low middle or high, that will help me > get an > > > > > idea for comparison. > > > > > > > > > > I suspect you are doing well because of your diet. > > Congratulations on > > > > > that. For me, that is the hardest part. Do you eat meat or are > you a > > > > > veggie? > > > > > > > > > > Amy > > > > > > > > > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Soheila > > > > > > I did not take any protein shakes as they either have wheat > or soy > > > > > > in the ones that I can get here.I can't touch either so I > just gor > > > > a lot > > > > > > of nutrents from Sweet potatoes,squash,avocadoes.Starches turn > > into > > > > > > sugars pretty fast and there are so many good vitamins in those > > > > > > foods.Your fish oil does have D in it.There is no way of > removing > > > > > > it,sorry to say.My D 25 was 490 and D1,25 was 580 for a ratio of > > > 2.8. > > > > > > Things are measured differently here.I do everything possible to > > > > avoid D > > > > > > and it did wrok because I got much better .I still get some as > > > > there is > > > > > > no way to totally avoid it in a greenhouse even when covered > > > up.I just > > > > > > can't stand a hat as it gets caught up in the hanging plants' > > > > roots and > > > > > > comes off every few second so I just quit wearing it. Lynne > > > > > > > > > > > > soheila A wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 As long as we are on the subject of Vit D. I am on the Marshall Protocol. By avoiding light and supplements, I got my D25 level down to less than 4 and my 1,25 level to 35. They are delighted. Very few people can get it down that fast. I 'm at the end of Phase 1 and achieved that number after being on the Protocol only 1 month. I wear NoIR glasses indoor and outdoor. I have no ill side effects from the drop and am feeling fine. BTW Vit D is not a vitamin at all. According to Trevor Marshall, it is a secosteroid. Your body can manufacture all the Vit D you need from the Vit D 1,25. I have noticed lately that everyone is consentrating on the symptoms and side effects. If we concentrate on killing off the offending organisms instead, all these other symptoms will eventually go away. The organs that are permanently damaged, we will have to learn how to live with them. The symptoms are there to tell you that the medication you are on is working. Micoplasmas emit a toxin as they die off. It's called immunopathology (herxing) and if that is happening, be happy, you are killing off the nasty micoplasmas. The toxins they emit (give off) are what is making you feel sicker.. Lynne always said, this is a one step back forward and two step backward disease. We must learn to be patient. Healing is not easy. Thank you Mrs. Rose. You made that clear in your e-mail. Good luck to you. Dolores & Mike lynneandsantos <lynneandsantos@...> wrote: OOOOOPPPS,I was too quick to send the first message,D25 was low,D1,25 was high Amy wrote: > Hi, Lynne. I know how to calculate the ratio. I have not been asking > about the ratio. > > I've been asking about the reference ranges that your lab gives you for > your vitamin D tests. Your numbers are 490 & 580. Your lab report > will give you a reference range for each of those tests. I'll assume > you don't have your report, so please don't worry about this. I won't > ask you about it again. > > Amy > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > Hi Amy,This D thing can be really confusing.Youd D 25 is good but can > > you give me your D1,25 and when I have a free momentI will try to work > > out the ratio.This is a methematical equasion.Remember those things in > > hight school? I was hoping to never have to use them again. hehehe > > > > Amy wrote: > > > > > Hi, Lynne. Well, I wasn't trying to know your ratio... I was trying to > > > understand your levels compared with your lab ranges. > > > > > > For instance, when I get my tests (for anything), the report shows MY > > > test result, and next to that will show the 'normal' range numbers > that > > > the lab uses. My D25 test result is 64, and the normal range is > > > 30-100. So, my 64 number is about smack in the middle of that range. A > > > deficiency is a number below 30. A test results of 40 would be > near the > > > low end of the range. > > > > > > Maybe you're in a European country because your test measurements are > > > different. Still, your tests reports will show the reference > ranges for > > > each D test. Don't worry about tracking that down. I was only curious > > > because you're doing well. Perhaps your D level is low, or perhaps > your > > > D level is in the middle, etc .... the reference range tells you how > > > high or low your are. > > > > > > As someone already mentioned, managing D ratios is a bit out of our > > > hands, The body performs a conversion in the same way it converts > > > oxygen to carbon dioxide & a million other things. However, it seems > > > reasonable that we would want to monitor both D levels, to see if > one is > > > wacky outside of the normal range (e.g. too high or too low). > > > > > > Amy > > > > > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > > > > > Amy the ratio should be around 1 to 1.2. I was just about triple but > > > > have knocked it down considerably.The recent results are at the > > doc's as > > > > I forgot the paper but if I remember correctly it was 1.9,still > > tooooooo > > > > high but at least it allowed the AP to work well > > > > > > > > Amy wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Lynne. Do your numbers fall into the low, middle, or > > > high of > > > > > the lab range? > > > > > > > > > > I don't know what your lab ranges are... to get an idea where your > > > > > numbers fall. Sounds like you think you are still getting some D > > from > > > > > the sun. If you tell me low middle or high, that will help me > get an > > > > > idea for comparison. > > > > > > > > > > I suspect you are doing well because of your diet. > > Congratulations on > > > > > that. For me, that is the hardest part. Do you eat meat or are > you a > > > > > veggie? > > > > > > > > > > Amy > > > > > > > > > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Soheila > > > > > > I did not take any protein shakes as they either have wheat > or soy > > > > > > in the ones that I can get here.I can't touch either so I > just gor > > > > a lot > > > > > > of nutrents from Sweet potatoes,squash,avocadoes.Starches turn > > into > > > > > > sugars pretty fast and there are so many good vitamins in those > > > > > > foods.Your fish oil does have D in it.There is no way of > removing > > > > > > it,sorry to say.My D 25 was 490 and D1,25 was 580 for a ratio of > > > 2.8. > > > > > > Things are measured differently here.I do everything possible to > > > > avoid D > > > > > > and it did wrok because I got much better .I still get some as > > > > there is > > > > > > no way to totally avoid it in a greenhouse even when covered > > > up.I just > > > > > > can't stand a hat as it gets caught up in the hanging plants' > > > > roots and > > > > > > comes off every few second so I just quit wearing it. Lynne > > > > > > > > > > > > soheila A wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Hi all, I finally found my labs to see if the vit D test showed ranges. Here is what I have: Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy, Total: range is 20-100. My first test result (which I can't find) was 18, four months later after 2000IU daily the result was up to 41. The test notes that optimum levels of D are greater then 30 ng/mL. Vitamin D, 25-OH, D3, no range is provided. My first test result was 13, current reading is 41. Vitamin D, 25-OH, D2, again no range provided. My first test result was 5, current reading is 4. My concern after reading the posts is that the lab picked the wrong test to perform. I went to my Dr. with the exact tests recommended here but now am wondering if something went wrong. What do you all think? Does anyone happen to have to lab codes needed for the correct blood draw (assuming what I have is incorrect)? Thanks, El _____ From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf Of lynneandsantos Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:02 PM rheumatic Subject: Re: rheumatic Vit. D, To LYNNE Amy,both show " high " Out of all the tests on the sheet only my rbc and hematocrit are low.Everything else is spot on normal.My des rate has never been over 3. Even when I thought I was dying my labs were normal except for those first two. Lynne Amy wrote: > Hi, Lynne. I know how to calculate the ratio. I have not been asking > about the ratio. > > I've been asking about the reference ranges that your lab gives you for > your vitamin D tests. Your numbers are 490 & 580. Your lab report > will give you a reference range for each of those tests. I'll assume > you don't have your report, so please don't worry about this. I won't > ask you about it again. > > Amy > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > Hi Amy,This D thing can be really confusing.Youd D 25 is good but can > > you give me your D1,25 and when I have a free momentI will try to work > > out the ratio.This is a methematical equasion.Remember those things in > > hight school? I was hoping to never have to use them again. hehehe > > > > Amy wrote: > > > > > Hi, Lynne. Well, I wasn't trying to know your ratio... I was trying to > > > understand your levels compared with your lab ranges. > > > > > > For instance, when I get my tests (for anything), the report shows MY > > > test result, and next to that will show the 'normal' range numbers > that > > > the lab uses. My D25 test result is 64, and the normal range is > > > 30-100. So, my 64 number is about smack in the middle of that range. A > > > deficiency is a number below 30. A test results of 40 would be > near the > > > low end of the range. > > > > > > Maybe you're in a European country because your test measurements are > > > different. Still, your tests reports will show the reference > ranges for > > > each D test. Don't worry about tracking that down. I was only curious > > > because you're doing well. Perhaps your D level is low, or perhaps > your > > > D level is in the middle, etc .... the reference range tells you how > > > high or low your are. > > > > > > As someone already mentioned, managing D ratios is a bit out of our > > > hands, The body performs a conversion in the same way it converts > > > oxygen to carbon dioxide & a million other things. However, it seems > > > reasonable that we would want to monitor both D levels, to see if > one is > > > wacky outside of the normal range (e.g. too high or too low). > > > > > > Amy > > > > > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > > > > > Amy the ratio should be around 1 to 1.2. I was just about triple but > > > > have knocked it down considerably.The recent results are at the > > doc's as > > > > I forgot the paper but if I remember correctly it was 1.9,still > > tooooooo > > > > high but at least it allowed the AP to work well > > > > > > > > Amy wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Lynne. Do your numbers fall into the low, middle, or > > > high of > > > > > the lab range? > > > > > > > > > > I don't know what your lab ranges are... to get an idea where your > > > > > numbers fall. Sounds like you think you are still getting some D > > from > > > > > the sun. If you tell me low middle or high, that will help me > get an > > > > > idea for comparison. > > > > > > > > > > I suspect you are doing well because of your diet. > > Congratulations on > > > > > that. For me, that is the hardest part. Do you eat meat or are > you a > > > > > veggie? > > > > > > > > > > Amy > > > > > > > > > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Soheila > > > > > > I did not take any protein shakes as they either have wheat > or soy > > > > > > in the ones that I can get here.I can't touch either so I > just gor > > > > a lot > > > > > > of nutrents from Sweet potatoes,squash,avocadoes.Starches turn > > into > > > > > > sugars pretty fast and there are so many good vitamins in those > > > > > > foods.Your fish oil does have D in it.There is no way of > removing > > > > > > it,sorry to say.My D 25 was 490 and D1,25 was 580 for a ratio of > > > 2.8. > > > > > > Things are measured differently here.I do everything possible to > > > > avoid D > > > > > > and it did wrok because I got much better .I still get some as > > > > there is > > > > > > no way to totally avoid it in a greenhouse even when covered > > > up.I just > > > > > > can't stand a hat as it gets caught up in the hanging plants' > > > > roots and > > > > > > comes off every few second so I just quit wearing it. Lynne > > > > > > > > > > > > soheila A wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Hi El,What I see is missing is the D1,25 test.Read www.marshallprotocol.com to find out how the test should be done .I am not on MP but have to admit that once I got the 2 Ds fairly well in sinc that AP really worked amazingly well. Everyone is different and what works for one might not for an other and the only way to find out for sure is to try. Lynne G./SD ehgooding wrote: > Hi all, > > I finally found my labs to see if the vit D test showed ranges. Here is > what I have: > > Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy, Total: range is 20-100. My first test result (which > I can't find) was 18, four months later after 2000IU daily the result > was up > to 41. The test notes that optimum levels of D are greater then 30 ng/mL. > > Vitamin D, 25-OH, D3, no range is provided. My first test result was 13, > current reading is 41. > > Vitamin D, 25-OH, D2, again no range provided. My first test result was 5, > current reading is 4. > > My concern after reading the posts is that the lab picked the wrong > test to > perform. I went to my Dr. with the exact tests recommended here but now am > wondering if something went wrong. What do you all think? Does anyone > happen to have to lab codes needed for the correct blood draw > (assuming what > I have is incorrect)? Thanks, El > > _____ > > From: rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40> > [mailto:rheumatic > <mailto:rheumatic%40>] On Behalf > Of lynneandsantos > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:02 PM > rheumatic <mailto:rheumatic%40> > Subject: Re: rheumatic Vit. D, To LYNNE > > Amy,both show " high " Out of all the tests on the sheet only my rbc and > hematocrit are low.Everything else is spot on normal.My des rate has > never been over 3. Even when I thought I was dying my labs were normal > except for those first two. Lynne > > Amy wrote: > > > Hi, Lynne. I know how to calculate the ratio. I have not been asking > > about the ratio. > > > > I've been asking about the reference ranges that your lab gives you for > > your vitamin D tests. Your numbers are 490 & 580. Your lab report > > will give you a reference range for each of those tests. I'll assume > > you don't have your report, so please don't worry about this. I won't > > ask you about it again. > > > > Amy > > > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > > > Hi Amy,This D thing can be really confusing.Youd D 25 is good but can > > > you give me your D1,25 and when I have a free momentI will try to work > > > out the ratio.This is a methematical equasion.Remember those things in > > > hight school? I was hoping to never have to use them again. hehehe > > > > > > Amy wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, Lynne. Well, I wasn't trying to know your ratio... I was > trying to > > > > understand your levels compared with your lab ranges. > > > > > > > > For instance, when I get my tests (for anything), the report > shows MY > > > > test result, and next to that will show the 'normal' range numbers > > that > > > > the lab uses. My D25 test result is 64, and the normal range is > > > > 30-100. So, my 64 number is about smack in the middle of that > range. A > > > > deficiency is a number below 30. A test results of 40 would be > > near the > > > > low end of the range. > > > > > > > > Maybe you're in a European country because your test > measurements are > > > > different. Still, your tests reports will show the reference > > ranges for > > > > each D test. Don't worry about tracking that down. I was only > curious > > > > because you're doing well. Perhaps your D level is low, or perhaps > > your > > > > D level is in the middle, etc .... the reference range tells you how > > > > high or low your are. > > > > > > > > As someone already mentioned, managing D ratios is a bit out of our > > > > hands, The body performs a conversion in the same way it converts > > > > oxygen to carbon dioxide & a million other things. However, it seems > > > > reasonable that we would want to monitor both D levels, to see if > > one is > > > > wacky outside of the normal range (e.g. too high or too low). > > > > > > > > Amy > > > > > > > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Amy the ratio should be around 1 to 1.2. I was just about > triple but > > > > > have knocked it down considerably.The recent results are at the > > > doc's as > > > > > I forgot the paper but if I remember correctly it was 1.9,still > > > tooooooo > > > > > high but at least it allowed the AP to work well > > > > > > > > > > Amy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Lynne. Do your numbers fall into the low, middle, or > > > > high of > > > > > > the lab range? > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know what your lab ranges are... to get an idea > where your > > > > > > numbers fall. Sounds like you think you are still getting some D > > > from > > > > > > the sun. If you tell me low middle or high, that will help me > > get an > > > > > > idea for comparison. > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect you are doing well because of your diet. > > > Congratulations on > > > > > > that. For me, that is the hardest part. Do you eat meat or are > > you a > > > > > > veggie? > > > > > > > > > > > > Amy > > > > > > > > > > > > lynneandsantos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Soheila > > > > > > > I did not take any protein shakes as they either have wheat > > or soy > > > > > > > in the ones that I can get here.I can't touch either so I > > just gor > > > > > a lot > > > > > > > of nutrents from Sweet potatoes,squash,avocadoes.Starches turn > > > into > > > > > > > sugars pretty fast and there are so many good vitamins in > those > > > > > > > foods.Your fish oil does have D in it.There is no way of > > removing > > > > > > > it,sorry to say.My D 25 was 490 and D1,25 was 580 for a > ratio of > > > > 2.8. > > > > > > > Things are measured differently here.I do everything > possible to > > > > > avoid D > > > > > > > and it did wrok because I got much better .I still get some as > > > > > there is > > > > > > > no way to totally avoid it in a greenhouse even when covered > > > > up.I just > > > > > > > can't stand a hat as it gets caught up in the hanging plants' > > > > > roots and > > > > > > > comes off every few second so I just quit wearing it. Lynne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soheila A wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Hi, El. The tests you had are fine, but you didn't get the D1,25, which is the Dihydroxy test. The way it works is that D3 (which is D,25) converts to D1,25 in the body. The D1,25 is considered the active hormone. It used to be that my doctors would always test both D tests. But lately, my doctors only seem to think they should test the D3, and they skip the D1,25 test. I don't have any judgment at all about the Marshall Protocol. I must say though that he seems to be on his own about his theories. What I mean is that most of the vitamin D scientists are not yet commenting on his protocol, one way or the other. At least as far as I can find ... although I'm still looking. I am referring to pubmed research & www.vitaminDcouncil.com Please don't take my comments to be negative, because I don't mean it that way. Even if Trevor Marshall is 'on his own', it doesn't mean he is wrong about anything. Amy ehgooding wrote: > > Hi all, > > I finally found my labs to see if the vit D test showed ranges. Here is > what I have: > > Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy, Total: range is 20-100. My first test result (which > I can't find) was 18, four months later after 2000IU daily the result > was up > to 41. The test notes that optimum levels of D are greater then 30 ng/mL. > > Vitamin D, 25-OH, D3, no range is provided. My first test result was 13, > current reading is 41. > > Vitamin D, 25-OH, D2, again no range provided. My first test result was 5, > current reading is 4. > > My concern after reading the posts is that the lab picked the wrong > test to > perform. I went to my Dr. with the exact tests recommended here but now am > wondering if something went wrong. What do you all think? Does anyone > happen to have to lab codes needed for the correct blood draw > (assuming what > I have is incorrect)? Thanks, El > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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