Chris

[Guest guest]

Hi Michele,

I wanted to respond, but I really don't have any words of wisdom.

n is 18, and we are facing some of the same issues. She is a

bright girl, like your and yet unless I watch her swallow her

mtx, she won't take it. They can't control the disease that they

have so it gives them some sense of control to reject their meds. It

might not be rational or smart, but it is probably a normal reaction-

especially for a teenager.

I do worry with n going off to college. I have a feeling that

she won't take any of her meds. I know n won't talk to anyone.

She is now in complete denial of her disease. I think if her doctor

lectured her that she might listen.

How about sitting down with him and having a heart to heart. Would

he be responsive to that? (n, 18, systemic)

On Jan 22, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Tepper, Michele wrote:

> Not sure if anyone has any thoughts, or if I am just looking for a

> safe

> place to vent on this. woke up today and asked me how many Advil

> he could take at one time. I said I was taking about 3 myself first

> thing in the morning (I was recently in a car accident and am

> trying to

> recover) and 2 later in the day (the dr said I could do up to 1200

> mgs a

> day for myself for now). I asked him why and he said because every

> joint

> in his body hurts. Many of you may know that made the

> decision to

> stop his med (he had been weaned off Celebrex and was only on

> methotrexate before this decision and was doing quite well), and is

> not

> currently seeing a rheumy just his primary dr occasionally. I am so

> worried about him. I asked him if he thought that seeing a dr might

> be a

> good idea, and he is quite resistant to it. I am not sure how to force

> the issue with a 19 year old young man. I think he is tired of having

> problems (he also has been having asthma flares again) and seeing a

> dr.

> But he needs to go. I am so afraid that he will have spine fusion or

> joint degeneration that could be prevented. We were told by his ped

> rheumy that he will not " outgrow " this type of arthritis, that the

> possibility for problems will most likely always be there.

>

> Thanks for listening. Having this list, no matter where we have

> been in

> our journey, has always helped me.

>

> Michele ( 19, spondy)

>

>

[Guest guest]

After my book, can you stand one more comment? I know one thing that helped my

daughter is when she found out so many of her friends take medications and have

problems too. They/we assume that everyone else is living a carefree life

without problems. One day my daughter mentioned she needed me to reorder one of

her meds, her friend said " hey you take that too, my mom and I call that my

happy pills. " They were both taking Celexa (antidepressant) and found out that

several of their friends take it too. And then when she went to the dorm she

found out that her roommate takes meds for thyroid, the other for ADD and the

other for asthma/allergies. Does he look up to someone that may struggle with a

health issue that they manage with meds etc? Or if he wants to accomplish

something perhaps he would be willing to take the meds as a trial to see if

things improve with them.

Best of luck to you.

e

bound for london <boundforlondon@...> wrote:

,

I am sorry to hear that is hurting so much. What can you do? That is a

hard one. joe has never completely stopped her meds but she has quit some for

awhile and realized she needed them back. I do remember one time when she was

really upset and she didn't want to take any of them anymore because they just

made her sick and they hurt (she was taking mtx injectable them and she had a

horrible time with it). I told her she had the right to stop all her medication

(she was 16 then I think) but she would have to call her doctor and explain to

him why she was going to do this so that maybe he could help her find a better

solution. She ended up crying for awhile and just venting about how awful she

felt and how she wanted her life back-she had been a dancer since she 3 and now

couldn't dance even one class a week and all her friends were connected through

dance--so I told her I would call him and we did some changes again. And with

her away at college I called to check on

what meds to refill through our mail order plan and she told me I didn't need to

refill a couple of them because she isn't using them that much or at all. One of

them is a low dose birth control she was put on when she was having a period for

7+ on and a couple off from the Enbrel. But the extra benefit is that her skin

cleared up and her joints felt better. So, one day she was complaining that she

was hurting and she was tired of her skin breakouts all I could say is 'you have

some medicine to help that'. I still ordered them figuring she would probably

end up wanting them. She isn't on Enbrel anymore so she doesn't have the cycle

problems anymore.

So, I guess I have no advice for you. Will talking to someone else help?

Possibly. If it was my son, then no. I can tell you it is normal, not that that

makes you feel any better. I have a friend who has a son with juvenile

diabetes-he is quite brittle and wears a pump. He started this stage when he

graduated from high school. (he's 19 now too) And he decided he didn't want to

live this way anymore. He decided to start smoking, getting into trouble,

partying, etc His poor mom has cried and prayed so much for this son of hers.

Thankfully he still was taking his insulin although he threatened not to-but his

is such an immediate response I guess no matter how much he wanted to be free

from it he knew he couldn't--anyways while they still had him on their insurance

they ordered as much insulin as possible for him and it is running out. But he

is realizing that some of his choices were just making things worse-the

partying, the smoking etc and he still hasn't decided that he

wants to go to college but he has a second interview at a factory with excellent

benefits because he needs his insulin. And we are all praying he gets it.

It is so hard to be the parent when you know what they need to do. Does he have

a doctor that he trusts? That perhaps would talk to him on the phone? Was the

mtx causing side effects that he decided were too much of a bother so he would

rather not take it? Is there another option (not familiar with spondy so don't

know there). I wish I could be of more help. When my son has decided to make

poor choices I always tell him, " you may not like what I have to say but I say

this because you are my son and I love you so much that I don't want you to be

hurting. There are ways to make you feel much better than what you are currently

doing. "

Prays and hugs going out to you.

e, mom to joe 20 poly + lupus

" Tepper, Michele " <MTepper@...> wrote:

Not sure if anyone has any thoughts, or if I am just looking for a safe

place to vent on this. woke up today and asked me how many Advil

he could take at one time. I said I was taking about 3 myself first

thing in the morning (I was recently in a car accident and am trying to

recover) and 2 later in the day (the dr said I could do up to 1200 mgs a

day for myself for now). I asked him why and he said because every joint

in his body hurts. Many of you may know that made the decision to

stop his med (he had been weaned off Celebrex and was only on

methotrexate before this decision and was doing quite well), and is not

currently seeing a rheumy just his primary dr occasionally. I am so

worried about him. I asked him if he thought that seeing a dr might be a

good idea, and he is quite resistant to it. I am not sure how to force

the issue with a 19 year old young man. I think he is tired of having

problems (he also has been having asthma flares again) and seeing a dr.

But he needs to go. I am so afraid that he will have spine fusion or

joint degeneration that could be prevented. We were told by his ped

rheumy that he will not " outgrow " this type of arthritis, that the

possibility for problems will most likely always be there.

Thanks for listening. Having this list, no matter where we have been in

our journey, has always helped me.

Michele ( 19, spondy)

[Guest guest]

Hi Michele - I don't have any great words of wisdom, but know that we are

thinking of you. I don't think it's ever easy as a mom to watch our kids suffer.

It's so hard for us to let them do what they want knowing they need to be doing

somthing else for thier own good!!

Hang in there. has a good head on his shoulders (thanks to you!). Pray

that he will see the light soon and ask for help!

Alia and Caroline, age 4 (for one more week ), poly and uveitis

Chris

Not sure if anyone has any thoughts, or if I am just looking for a safe

place to vent on this. woke up today and asked me how many Advil

he could take at one time. I said I was taking about 3 myself first

thing in the morning (I was recently in a car accident and am trying to

recover) and 2 later in the day (the dr said I could do up to 1200 mgs a

day for myself for now). I asked him why and he said because every joint

in his body hurts. Many of you may know that made the decision to

stop his med (he had been weaned off Celebrex and was only on

methotrexate before this decision and was doing quite well), and is not

currently seeing a rheumy just his primary dr occasionally. I am so

worried about him. I asked him if he thought that seeing a dr might be a

good idea, and he is quite resistant to it. I am not sure how to force

the issue with a 19 year old young man. I think he is tired of having

problems (he also has been having asthma flares again) and seeing a dr.

But he needs to go. I am so afraid that he will have spine fusion or

joint degeneration that could be prevented. We were told by his ped

rheumy that he will not " outgrow " this type of arthritis, that the

possibility for problems will most likely always be there.

Thanks for listening. Having this list, no matter where we have been in

our journey, has always helped me.

Michele ( 19, spondy)

[Guest guest]

,

will determine how much he can tolerate (I know I'm JRA for the

past ?? years) As a mom myself I can tell you that I fought tooth

and nail not to take meds when I was much younger. Then took enough

advil type stuff to get rebound headaches and decided that that just

was not where I want to be.

has a good head on his shoulders. He will make good decisions.

Sometimes we have to get tired of being tired!

Hang in there.

Monna

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,

I have to share another story about how " normal " though aggravating stage this

is in their lives. A friend called last night with the same complaints except

her son (age 18) has severe seizures (grand mal) and has had a hard time with

getting them under control. He has finally done well but does not like the way

the medications make him feel etc. And he has decided to start 'self-medicating'

(read between the lines --drugs and alcohol). His doctor and pharmacist have

told him and her this is like playing russian roulette for him but can she get

through to this child? Unfortunately no! So hard for the mom. sounds like

a great kid and I'm sure will decided that the pain etc is too much. Don't lose

faith and if you need to come vent.

e

" Tepper, Michele " <MTepper@...> wrote:

Not sure if anyone has any thoughts, or if I am just looking for a

safe

place to vent on this. woke up today and asked me how many Advil

he could take at one time. I said I was taking about 3 myself first

thing in the morning (I was recently in a car accident and am trying to

recover) and 2 later in the day (the dr said I could do up to 1200 mgs a

day for myself for now). I asked him why and he said because every joint

in his body hurts. Many of you may know that made the decision to

stop his med (he had been weaned off Celebrex and was only on

methotrexate before this decision and was doing quite well), and is not

currently seeing a rheumy just his primary dr occasionally. I am so

worried about him. I asked him if he thought that seeing a dr might be a

good idea, and he is quite resistant to it. I am not sure how to force

the issue with a 19 year old young man. I think he is tired of having

problems (he also has been having asthma flares again) and seeing a dr.

But he needs to go. I am so afraid that he will have spine fusion or

joint degeneration that could be prevented. We were told by his ped

rheumy that he will not " outgrow " this type of arthritis, that the

possibility for problems will most likely always be there.

Thanks for listening. Having this list, no matter where we have been in

our journey, has always helped me.

Michele ( 19, spondy)

[Guest guest]

-

,

I am sorry to hear that is feeling so yucky. You know Aundrea

started her independent streak with meds at a very young age. I will

never forget her saying " mom, its my body and I should have a say in

what is put into it " . She was probably around 10 and was really

wanting to stop mtx.

Now of course we have restarted mtx with no control over this current

flare and unbelievably we are still waiting to get an appt with the

ped rheumy. I am calling again today, but thats a whole other story.

I was wondering if you might be able to say to that there are

lots of new meds or possible exercises/therapies that might help.

Ask him if he would consider seeing the rheumy and tell him that you

will not interfere with whatever treatment plan he chooses even if

its nothing at all.

Maybe giving him the feeling of control over the dr. appt would

encourage him to the next step of going to it.

(of course if you would have success in getting that far, I would

probably give the doc a call with a little heads up and warning as to

how is doing and the issues he faces both physically and

emotionally in still fighting this disease)

Perhaps, this is just a pipe dream but thought it might be worth a

try.

(Aundrea 11 systemic jra/gerd)

-- In , bound for london <boundforlondon@...>

wrote:

>

> ,

>

> I have to share another story about how " normal " though

aggravating stage this is in their lives. A friend called last night

with the same complaints except her son (age 18) has severe seizures

(grand mal) and has had a hard time with getting them under control.

He has finally done well but does not like the way the medications

make him feel etc. And he has decided to start 'self-medicating'

(read between the lines --drugs and alcohol). His doctor and

pharmacist have told him and her this is like playing russian

roulette for him but can she get through to this child? Unfortunately

no! So hard for the mom. sounds like a great kid and I'm sure

will decided that the pain etc is too much. Don't lose faith and if

you need to come vent.

>

> e

>

> " Tepper, Michele " <MTepper@...> wrote:

> Not sure if anyone has any thoughts, or if I am just

looking for a safe

> place to vent on this. woke up today and asked me how many

Advil

> he could take at one time. I said I was taking about 3 myself first

> thing in the morning (I was recently in a car accident and am

trying to

> recover) and 2 later in the day (the dr said I could do up to 1200

mgs a

> day for myself for now). I asked him why and he said because every

joint

> in his body hurts. Many of you may know that made the

decision to

> stop his med (he had been weaned off Celebrex and was only on

> methotrexate before this decision and was doing quite well), and is

not

> currently seeing a rheumy just his primary dr occasionally. I am so

> worried about him. I asked him if he thought that seeing a dr might

be a

> good idea, and he is quite resistant to it. I am not sure how to

force

> the issue with a 19 year old young man. I think he is tired of

having

> problems (he also has been having asthma flares again) and seeing a

dr.

> But he needs to go. I am so afraid that he will have spine fusion or

> joint degeneration that could be prevented. We were told by his ped

> rheumy that he will not " outgrow " this type of arthritis, that the

> possibility for problems will most likely always be there.

>

> Thanks for listening. Having this list, no matter where we have

been in

> our journey, has always helped me.

>

> Michele ( 19, spondy)

>

>

[Guest guest]

My husband and I had to go to the dr last night, my hubby for some

issues he is having with his gout/joints and me for accident follow up,

and we got around to discussing rheumy's. The dr gave us the name of

two, one of whom he really would like to go to. So this morning I

talked with briefly and mentioned this new dr. Apparently he is

younger guy and likes to be aggressive in his treatments. For once,

did not automatically say he would not go, which I took as a

positive sign. Perhaps he is hurting enough and may be beginning to

understand that he needs to take better care of himself. Anyway, I guess

that I will keep plugging along and hopefully can get him in to see this

new rheumy.

Thanks for all the great ideas, they have all helped a lot! Michele

( 19, spondy)

________________________________

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of sonia1md

Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:56 AM

Subject: Re: Chris

-

,

I am sorry to hear that is feeling so yucky. You know Aundrea

started her independent streak with meds at a very young age. I will

never forget her saying " mom, its my body and I should have a say in

what is put into it " . She was probably around 10 and was really

wanting to stop mtx.

Now of course we have restarted mtx with no control over this current

flare and unbelievably we are still waiting to get an appt with the

ped rheumy. I am calling again today, but thats a whole other story.

I was wondering if you might be able to say to that there are

lots of new meds or possible exercises/therapies that might help.

Ask him if he would consider seeing the rheumy and tell him that you

will not interfere with whatever treatment plan he chooses even if

its nothing at all.

Maybe giving him the feeling of control over the dr. appt would

encourage him to the next step of going to it.

(of course if you would have success in getting that far, I would

probably give the doc a call with a little heads up and warning as to

how is doing and the issues he faces both physically and

emotionally in still fighting this disease)

Perhaps, this is just a pipe dream but thought it might be worth a

try.

(Aundrea 11 systemic jra/gerd)

-- In <mailto: %40> ,

bound for london <boundforlondon@...>

wrote:

>

> ,

>

> I have to share another story about how " normal " though

aggravating stage this is in their lives. A friend called last night

with the same complaints except her son (age 18) has severe seizures

(grand mal) and has had a hard time with getting them under control.

He has finally done well but does not like the way the medications

make him feel etc. And he has decided to start 'self-medicating'

(read between the lines --drugs and alcohol). His doctor and

pharmacist have told him and her this is like playing russian

roulette for him but can she get through to this child? Unfortunately

no! So hard for the mom. sounds like a great kid and I'm sure

will decided that the pain etc is too much. Don't lose faith and if

you need to come vent.

>

> e

>

> " Tepper, Michele " <MTepper@...> wrote:

> Not sure if anyone has any thoughts, or if I am just

looking for a safe

> place to vent on this. woke up today and asked me how many

Advil

> he could take at one time. I said I was taking about 3 myself first

> thing in the morning (I was recently in a car accident and am

trying to

> recover) and 2 later in the day (the dr said I could do up to 1200

mgs a

> day for myself for now). I asked him why and he said because every

joint

> in his body hurts. Many of you may know that made the

decision to

> stop his med (he had been weaned off Celebrex and was only on

> methotrexate before this decision and was doing quite well), and is

not

> currently seeing a rheumy just his primary dr occasionally. I am so

> worried about him. I asked him if he thought that seeing a dr might

be a

> good idea, and he is quite resistant to it. I am not sure how to

force

> the issue with a 19 year old young man. I think he is tired of

having

> problems (he also has been having asthma flares again) and seeing a

dr.

> But he needs to go. I am so afraid that he will have spine fusion or

> joint degeneration that could be prevented. We were told by his ped

> rheumy that he will not " outgrow " this type of arthritis, that the

> possibility for problems will most likely always be there.

>

> Thanks for listening. Having this list, no matter where we have

been in

> our journey, has always helped me.

>

> Michele ( 19, spondy)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thats wonderfull that hubby could hook it up for you so you can do

it in the bedroom and therefor make it easier to fit it into your

day .

Molly : O )

>

> Hi Everyone and welcome Kim!

>

> Thank you Virginia for that wonderful prayer. My aunt just went

home a

> few hours ago. I know she will be glad to get there.

>

> I did my 40 in the car today and my DH hooked up a DVD player our

> daughters had when they were away at college. I had no idea we

had

> this until last week I mentioned that if we have a tv in the

bedroom

> why couldn't we get an inexpensive one with the DVD player

included.

> Joe likes to watch the news in the am and I like Andy Griffiths

while I

> make the bed etc. :-) He said we had a player already and today

he

> got it all hooked up. Now I can take my LL DVD's upstairs

and " do "

> them with Rashelle. I also have a gym bar and may use that for a

few

> things. I'm so happy to be able to do this. It will deffinitely

help

> me be more committed. So Pat keep those cheerleading sessions

coming!

>

> *Chris*

>

[Guest guest]

There's no place like home. Blessings to you as you

get back into your routine.

Virginia

--- mollynevarez <mollynevarez@...> wrote:

> Thats wonderfull that hubby could hook it up for you

> so you can do

> it in the bedroom and therefor make it easier to

> fit it into your

> day .

> Molly : O )

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Everyone and welcome Kim!

> >

> > Thank you Virginia for that wonderful prayer. My

> aunt just went

> home a

> > few hours ago. I know she will be glad to get

> there.

> >

> > I did my 40 in the car today and my DH hooked up a

> DVD player our

> > daughters had when they were away at college. I

> had no idea we

> had

> > this until last week I mentioned that if we have a

> tv in the

> bedroom

> > why couldn't we get an inexpensive one with the

> DVD player

> included.

> > Joe likes to watch the news in the am and I like

> Andy Griffiths

> while I

> > make the bed etc. :-) He said we had a player

> already and today

> he

> > got it all hooked up. Now I can take my LL DVD's

> upstairs

> and " do "

> > them with Rashelle. I also have a gym bar and may

> use that for a

> few

> > things. I'm so happy to be able to do this. It

> will deffinitely

> help

> > me be more committed. So Pat keep those

> cheerleading sessions

> coming!

> >

> > *Chris*

> >

>

>

>

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Hi Viriginia ,

Sadly i have to go away for the weekend again tomorrow morning.

But at least this time its only for 2 days not 2 weeks .

Molly : O )

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone and welcome Kim!

> > >

> > > Thank you Virginia for that wonderful prayer. My

> > aunt just went

> > home a

> > > few hours ago. I know she will be glad to get

> > there.

> > >

> > > I did my 40 in the car today and my DH hooked up a

> > DVD player our

> > > daughters had when they were away at college. I

> > had no idea we

> > had

> > > this until last week I mentioned that if we have a

> > tv in the

> > bedroom

> > > why couldn't we get an inexpensive one with the

> > DVD player

> > included.

> > > Joe likes to watch the news in the am and I like

> > Andy Griffiths

> > while I

> > > make the bed etc. :-) He said we had a player

> > already and today

> > he

> > > got it all hooked up. Now I can take my LL DVD's

> > upstairs

> > and " do "

> > > them with Rashelle. I also have a gym bar and may

> > use that for a

> > few

> > > things. I'm so happy to be able to do this. It

> > will deffinitely

> > help

> > > me be more committed. So Pat keep those

> > cheerleading sessions

> > coming!

> > >

> > > *Chris*

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

It is wonderful that your husband has made it easier

for you to work your Life Lift routine into your

regular routine. I think that would make it more

successful. I can visualize you making a bed while

doing your breaths with Rashelle in the background

encouraging and instructing you.

Love,

Virginia

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Everyone and welcome Kim!

> > > >

> > > > Thank you Virginia for that wonderful prayer.

> My

> > > aunt just went

> > > home a

> > > > few hours ago. I know she will be glad to get

> > > there.

> > > >

> > > > I did my 40 in the car today and my DH hooked

> up a

> > > DVD player our

> > > > daughters had when they were away at college.

> I

> > > had no idea we

> > > had

> > > > this until last week I mentioned that if we

> have a

> > > tv in the

> > > bedroom

> > > > why couldn't we get an inexpensive one with

> the

> > > DVD player

> > > included.

> > > > Joe likes to watch the news in the am and I

> like

> > > Andy Griffiths

> > > while I

> > > > make the bed etc. :-) He said we had a

> player

> > > already and today

> > > he

> > > > got it all hooked up. Now I can take my LL

> DVD's

> > > upstairs

> > > and " do "

> > > > them with Rashelle. I also have a gym bar and

> may

> > > use that for a

> > > few

> > > > things. I'm so happy to be able to do this.

> It

> > > will deffinitely

> > > help

> > > > me be more committed. So Pat keep those

> > > cheerleading sessions

> > > coming!

> > > >

> > > > *Chris*

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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We're from MO The last few winters have been relatively warm. The

summer can be miserable. In the 90's and low 100's. It's the humidity

that really makes it seem much hotter. I love the change of seasons

and with how fast time goes, it seems the 4 seasons are here and gone

before know it. LOL Chris

[Guest guest]

Hi

It's the exact same story with Life Lift!! Time goes SO fast that before we

know it we are running short on time we have to do Life Lift, so that's why we

have to do it every day withoout fail--because before we know it, we will be out

of time to do it!!! Does that make any sense?

Love always,

Pat

Re: Chris

We're from MO The last few winters have been relatively warm. The

summer can be miserable. In the 90's and low 100's. It's the humidity

that really makes it seem much hotter. I love the change of seasons

and with how fast time goes, it seems the 4 seasons are here and gone

before know it. LOL Chris

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[Guest guest]

Sure does Pat. I'm in my 50's and I wonder where in the world the 30's

and 40's went. Isn't it funny how bad habits are so easy to form and

so hard to break??? I have a wonderful quote at home about going on

far longer than you think you can. I'll send it when we get back. Chris

[Guest guest]

Hi

Talk about time flying by!!! I will be 56 years old at the end of this March!!!

Wasn't I just 10 years old?????? It sure is a Catch 22 that bad habits are easy

to form but, oh, so hard to break, and that is a fact!!! Just one of the

ironies of life, that's all!!!

I would love to read that quote about going on longer than you can. Who ever

said it was right on the money, but do send it in to the group along with its

author. That would be something that I am sure everyone would love to read!!!

Love always,

Pat

Re: Chris

Sure does Pat. I'm in my 50's and I wonder where in the world the 30's

and 40's went. Isn't it funny how bad habits are so easy to form and

so hard to break??? I have a wonderful quote at home about going on

far longer than you think you can. I'll send it when we get back. Chris

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[Guest guest]

Your welcome Chris. I had forgotten about it till you

mentioned changing from portrait to landscape. I

think the reson why that happens is because the one

who sends it has a lot larger screen to work with and

when it comes to our monitors it just can't wrap

around it all. My theory, don't have a clue if it is

right or not! lol

Virginia

--- chrstncmk <dinkidino@...> wrote:

> Hi Pat, Congratulations on your one year

> anniversary! You have done

> fantastic in changing not only your body but it

> sounds like your whole

> life. And the best is that it's available for

> anyone. I'm so very

> happy for you.

>

> Virginia I have to give you a great big thank you.

> At least I think it

> was you who answered a question I had awhile ago. I

> said that I wanted

> to print out the booklet to read over. Our computer

> is in the basement

> and even tho our basement is fixed up it's still

> cooooold. Anyway I

> could'nt get it to print without cutting off words

> and you said to

> change my setting from portrait to landscape. I

> haven't had the time

> to play around with this but I just did it and it

> works!!!! Now I need

> to change it back befor my husband is totally

> confused the next time he

> prints something

>

> Chris

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Sounds like a good theory to me

Molly : O )

>

> > Hi Pat, Congratulations on your one year

> > anniversary! You have done

> > fantastic in changing not only your body but it

> > sounds like your whole

> > life. And the best is that it's available for

> > anyone. I'm so very

> > happy for you.

> >

> > Virginia I have to give you a great big thank you.

> > At least I think it

> > was you who answered a question I had awhile ago. I

> > said that I wanted

> > to print out the booklet to read over. Our computer

> > is in the basement

> > and even tho our basement is fixed up it's still

> > cooooold. Anyway I

> > could'nt get it to print without cutting off words

> > and you said to

> > change my setting from portrait to landscape. I

> > haven't had the time

> > to play around with this but I just did it and it

> > works!!!! Now I need

> > to change it back befor my husband is totally

> > confused the next time he

> > prints something

> >

> > Chris

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hello

It is fine if you are behind or even ahead of me when doing your exhales. This

will all be determined on how strong your lungs are. When making the videos and

DVD's I tried to say about in the middle so that you could all follow along a

little easier.

You should not be feeling anything in your throat. It should be more like a deep

sigh, and the lifting should be felt more in your chest or diaphragm.

Try to watch the instructional a few times through and work to try to get the

exhales right. It is important that you do not stress your throat or neck when

doing the exhales. Keep it gentle and as smooth as possible.

Be Healthy and take good care,

Rashelle

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Got my set of DVD's and have used the reflexology one and part of the

#2 workout. I know I will totally love doing my LL with the DVDs but I

have a question........Seems like I am always behind Rashelle with the

exhales. Am I trying to exhale too much?? Seems like I feel it more

in the back of my throat than the diaphram. And I think that probably

is more like a Body Flex breath. Anybody care to share how their

exhales feel?

Thanks for all the input.............Chris

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[Guest guest]

Is it just me?

Everybody here seems to set off an alarm or two. Nothing has happened

to me yet. Not even at airports' security checkpoints.

Speaking of airport security checkpoints- has anyone ever been stopped

because your CI appears to be weird?

It has happened to me like two summers ago. I was at O'Hare, flying out

of Chicago... I had my CIs in my backpack. The security guard stopped

me and told me that he had to look in my bag. I was like ok. He took

the cases out of the bag and took CIs out of the cases and was like what

is this? I told him that's for me to hear. He was like OHHHHH. Then

he took the batteries out. Then he figured it out and once again went

OHHH. This is my favorite memory with CIs.

--McMilly

[Guest guest]

No, ...it isn't just you. I've had my CI for 4 1/2 years and have

never had the magnet react as some describe (jumping off their heads and

attaching to other metal). Perhaps this is because I have hair that covers

mine and

perhaps because my magnet isn't turned up as much as they have their's turned

up. The skin on my head gets very sore if I turn the magnet up very

high....therefore, I do keep it quite low. I've been in various airports and

haven't set off any alarm in any of them and not set off any store alarms.

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[Guest guest]

Evon,

Good to know that im not alone...

Yeah, my head does get sore too. The left implant is fine but still

tender at times and the right one is much more sensitive. So I have to

use a weaker magnet but it keeps on falling off if I try to shake my

head or run. Oh well.

--McMilly

[Guest guest]

Hi Leonie,

We've never had a doctor's name given to us for Canberra. That doesn't

mean there aren't any doctors doing the therapy in Canberra, just that

we don't know about them. It might be worth taking the Physicians'

Protocol and the FAQ from rheumatic.org to one of your local doctors

and asking for the therapy.

Chris.

On 01/01/2008, at 12:03 PM, leonie cent wrote:

> Hi

>

> Thanks for the list. Do you know of any AP docs in Canberra where I

> live ?

> If there are any experienced docs here, I would consider visiting one

> instead of travelling interestate

>

> I don't know whether I am worrying too much, but it's important to me

> to

> find someone who has a wide range of knowledge on AP.

>

> Thanks again...

>

> Leonie

[Guest guest]

Hi

I noticed says she is having trouble posting to the group (if I

understood her correctly). Do you have any listings for AP docs around the North

Coast (Byron Bay) where she lives ?

Thanks...

~Leonie

[Guest guest]

Hi

It is great to see a post from you. Welcome back from your camping trip.

Be blessed, be healthy and take good care,

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Re: Re: Connie

Hi All,

Joe and I just got home from a 3 day camping trip. Very fun even tho it

rained all day Monday and into the night. We went to sleep to the pitter

patter of raindrops on vinyl. I did my breathing the first day and then

because I am not in the habit yet, forgot about it. Tomorrow I plan to

get out my reflexology tape and watch it again. Also get back to the

breathing, starting with at least 10 before bed tonight. It was such a

nice surprise to see all the messages. You guys are so inspiring. It's

good to see a few names I haven't seen for awhile. , as you said,

PTL that Jake is back safe and sound. I can only imagine how happy you

are.

Chris

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