Re: Results from Diagnos-Tech, ideas/suggestions please.

[Guest guest]

I suspect the small HC dose is reducing your ACTH and thus reducing your

own cortios in the evenings and at night and that is fine as long as it

works! You need to work on gettign your thyroid optimized as it is stil

showing hypo. THAT may help your adrneas come back to correct

functioning. I htink you are well on your way to getting feeling much

better but I would continue the HC cream as it ishelping you so much adn

work on getting the thyroid optimal. Ihear ya baout HC heping wiht

painin shoulders.. I haev injured my left shoulder a couple months ago

at work, and just abotu had it healed nad reinjured it abotu 2 weeks

ago. I am having on increase my HC for better sleep due to the pain amnd

I was down to 12.5mg HC and now having to go back up JUST for thw shoulder.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Val,

I do not understand the HYPO thing. Is it because my FT4 and FT3 are

at the lower end of " normal " ?

FTSH 68 (normal 2-85 nIU/ml)

fT4 0.20 (normal 0.17-0.42 ng/dl)

fT3 (0.34 normal 0.28-1.10 pg/ml)

TPO negative (normal negative)

My last thyroid blood tests 6/15/07:

TSH 1.07 ulU/Ml (0.40-4.00)

Free T3 3.7 pg/ml 1.8-4.2

Free T4 1.47 ng/dl 0.70-1.70

Are the blood results showing HYPO also?

My temps tend to stay around 98.5-6 (no progesterone) but I have not

been very sucessful at graphing them for several days. Plus half the

month when progesterone is in my system I run warm. I thought that

with my typical no progesterone basel temp. of 98.2 I was OK.

Thanks,

Kathy

>

> I suspect the small HC dose is reducing your ACTH and thus reducing

your

> own cortios in the evenings and at night and that is fine as long as it

> works! You need to work on gettign your thyroid optimized as it is stil

> showing hypo. THAT may help your adrneas come back to correct

> functioning. I htink you are well on your way to getting feeling much

> better but I would continue the HC cream as it ishelping you so much

adn

> work on getting the thyroid optimal. Ihear ya baout HC heping wiht

> painin shoulders.. I haev injured my left shoulder a couple months ago

> at work, and just abotu had it healed nad reinjured it abotu 2 weeks

> ago. I am having on increase my HC for better sleep due to the pain

amnd

> I was down to 12.5mg HC and now having to go back up JUST for thw

shoulder.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

FTSH 68 (normal 2-85 nIU/ml)

fT4 0.20 (normal 0.17-0.42 ng/dl)

fT3 (0.34 normal 0.28-1.10 pg/ml)

TPO negative (normal negative)

My last thyroid blood tests 6/15/07:

TSH 1.07 ulU/Ml (0.40-4.00)

Free T3 3.7 pg/ml 1.8-4.2

Free T4 1.47 ng/dl 0.70-1.70

Yes blood labs concur. We have learned that the ranges for thyroid are skewed

towards hypo. Over the last 20 years the powers that be have bene gradually

lowering the thyroid ranges until now oyu must have Free T3 at the very top to

slightly over for good thyroid health and the Free T4 at least midrange. Here is

a website that lists the old blood ranges so you can see th ediffernce NOW in

what it used to be. The ranges have been owered as there are SO amny hypothyroid

people now that the AVERAGE they use to decide what is normal is now lower.

http://www.endocrineweb.com/TFT.html

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

> Over the last 20 years the powers that be have bene gradually

> lowering the thyroid ranges .. The ranges have been owered as there

> are SO amny hypothyroid people now that the AVERAGE they use to

> decide what is normal is now lower.

>

But if a person is diagnosed as hypoT on a particular range A,

shouldn't they be exuded when calculating the new normal range B

(supposed for NON-hypoT people)? Of course, endocrinology doesn't

seem to work like that - what do they think they are doing, making

" allowances " or " excuses " for the fact that we have polluted our

Earth to high heaven?

Jim

[Guest guest]

>>But if a person is diagnosed as hypoT on a particular range A,

shouldn't they be exuded when calculating the new normal range B <<

But they do not calculate the " normal " ranges that way , unfortunately. Thy take

say 100 people and what every their AVERAGE thyroid evels are in a particular

area that is what they consider normsal with absolutely NO consideration for the

fatc that 50-60% of that 100 people migh tactually be hypothyroid. Then they

justify it by saying WELL almost NONE of the current population is reaching the

high normals on the old ranges, so they MUST be wrong, when in fact we are knee

to waist deep in the worst thyroid epidemic in history of mankind. Personally I

feel it is a cover up for the damage the government has done with their

fluoridation of the world which they absolutely will NEVER take credit for.

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[Guest guest]

Kathy -- do you use topical progesterone? When do you apply it during

the time you do use it?

> >

> > I suspect the small HC dose is reducing your ACTH and thus reducing

> your

> > own cortios in the evenings and at night and that is fine as long

as it

> > works! You need to work on gettign your thyroid optimized as it is

stil

> > showing hypo. THAT may help your adrneas come back to correct

> > functioning. I htink you are well on your way to getting feeling much

> > better but I would continue the HC cream as it ishelping you so much

> adn

> > work on getting the thyroid optimal. Ihear ya baout HC heping wiht

> > painin shoulders.. I haev injured my left shoulder a couple months

ago

> > at work, and just abotu had it healed nad reinjured it abotu 2 weeks

> > ago. I am having on increase my HC for better sleep due to the pain

> amnd

> > I was down to 12.5mg HC and now having to go back up JUST for thw

> shoulder.

> >

> > --

> > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> >

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> >

>

[Guest guest]

No, I do not use topical progesterone. I use vaginal progesterone

(cyclogest) instead. Typically I use the cyclogest starting about 9

days after ovulation (after my am temp goes up). I think my own

progesteorne drops off too soon and I have early spotting/bleeding.

If I type the cyclogest correctly I do not get the early

spotting/bleeding.

Kathy

> > >

> > > I suspect the small HC dose is reducing your ACTH and thus reducing

> > your

> > > own cortios in the evenings and at night and that is fine as long

> as it

> > > works! You need to work on gettign your thyroid optimized as it is

> stil

> > > showing hypo. THAT may help your adrneas come back to correct

> > > functioning. I htink you are well on your way to getting feeling

much

> > > better but I would continue the HC cream as it ishelping you so much

> > adn

> > > work on getting the thyroid optimal. Ihear ya baout HC heping wiht

> > > painin shoulders.. I haev injured my left shoulder a couple months

> ago

> > > at work, and just abotu had it healed nad reinjured it abotu 2

weeks

> > > ago. I am having on increase my HC for better sleep due to the pain

> > amnd

> > > I was down to 12.5mg HC and now having to go back up JUST for thw

> > shoulder.

> > >

> > > --

> > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> > >

> > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What time of day do you use it?

> > > >

> > > > I suspect the small HC dose is reducing your ACTH and thus

reducing

> > > your

> > > > own cortios in the evenings and at night and that is fine as long

> > as it

> > > > works! You need to work on gettign your thyroid optimized as it is

> > stil

> > > > showing hypo. THAT may help your adrneas come back to correct

> > > > functioning. I htink you are well on your way to getting feeling

> much

> > > > better but I would continue the HC cream as it ishelping you

so much

> > > adn

> > > > work on getting the thyroid optimal. Ihear ya baout HC heping

wiht

> > > > painin shoulders.. I haev injured my left shoulder a couple months

> > ago

> > > > at work, and just abotu had it healed nad reinjured it abotu 2

> weeks

> > > > ago. I am having on increase my HC for better sleep due to the

pain

> > > amnd

> > > > I was down to 12.5mg HC and now having to go back up JUST for thw

> > > shoulder.

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Artistic Grooming-

Hurricane WV

> > > >

> > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> > > >

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Val,

I will make an appointment to go see my hormone doctor. I am not

hopeful because he said that my last two thyroid tests were normal and

fine. My HMO doctor is even worse. Any suggestions for getting a RX

for armor from my doctor?

I have never even considered that HYPO would be the cause of my

fatigue because I have always been told that my levels were good.

Thanks,

Kathy

>

> FTSH 68 (normal 2-85 nIU/ml)

> fT4 0.20 (normal 0.17-0.42 ng/dl)

> fT3 (0.34 normal 0.28-1.10 pg/ml)

> TPO negative (normal negative)

>

> My last thyroid blood tests 6/15/07:

> TSH 1.07 ulU/Ml (0.40-4.00)

> Free T3 3.7 pg/ml 1.8-4.2

> Free T4 1.47 ng/dl 0.70-1.70

>

> Yes blood labs concur. We have learned that the ranges for thyroid

are skewed towards hypo. Over the last 20 years the powers that be

have bene gradually lowering the thyroid ranges until now oyu must

have Free T3 at the very top to slightly over for good thyroid health

and the Free T4 at least midrange. Here is a website that lists the

old blood ranges so you can see th ediffernce NOW in what it used to

be. The ranges have been owered as there are SO amny hypothyroid

people now that the AVERAGE they use to decide what is normal is now

lower.

> http://www.endocrineweb.com/TFT.html

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

I have gone back and forth between just a bedtime dose and a bedtime

plus a morning dose. With just a bedtime dose I am more likely to

have spotting but I feel better during the day. With a bedtime and

daytime dose, I have less spotting but the morning progesterone dose

may make me sleepy during the day.

Kathy

> > > > >

> > > > > I suspect the small HC dose is reducing your ACTH and thus

> reducing

> > > > your

> > > > > own cortios in the evenings and at night and that is fine as

long

> > > as it

> > > > > works! You need to work on gettign your thyroid optimized as

it is

> > > stil

> > > > > showing hypo. THAT may help your adrneas come back to correct

> > > > > functioning. I htink you are well on your way to getting feeling

> > much

> > > > > better but I would continue the HC cream as it ishelping you

> so much

> > > > adn

> > > > > work on getting the thyroid optimal. Ihear ya baout HC heping

> wiht

> > > > > painin shoulders.. I haev injured my left shoulder a couple

months

> > > ago

> > > > > at work, and just abotu had it healed nad reinjured it abotu 2

> > weeks

> > > > > ago. I am having on increase my HC for better sleep due to the

> pain

> > > > amnd

> > > > > I was down to 12.5mg HC and now having to go back up JUST

for thw

> > > > shoulder.

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Artistic Grooming-

> Hurricane WV

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> > > > >

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I asked because I wondered about the impact on your sleeping issue. I

am sure Val can dissect what it can mean. Progesterone can convert to

cortisol in some people, so if you were low in cortisol, the

progesterone supplementation could have preferentially converted to a

more needed hormone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I suspect the small HC dose is reducing your ACTH and thus

> > reducing

> > > > > your

> > > > > > own cortios in the evenings and at night and that is fine as

> long

> > > > as it

> > > > > > works! You need to work on gettign your thyroid optimized as

> it is

> > > > stil

> > > > > > showing hypo. THAT may help your adrneas come back to correct

> > > > > > functioning. I htink you are well on your way to getting

feeling

> > > much

> > > > > > better but I would continue the HC cream as it ishelping you

> > so much

> > > > > adn

> > > > > > work on getting the thyroid optimal. Ihear ya baout HC heping

> > wiht

> > > > > > painin shoulders.. I haev injured my left shoulder a couple

> months

> > > > ago

> > > > > > at work, and just abotu had it healed nad reinjured it abotu 2

> > > weeks

> > > > > > ago. I am having on increase my HC for better sleep due to the

> > pain

> > > > > amnd

> > > > > > I was down to 12.5mg HC and now having to go back up JUST

> for thw

> > > > > shoulder.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Artistic Grooming-

> > Hurricane WV

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> > > > > >

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I do sleep better when I am on progesterone. Progesterone makes me

irritable as well as sleepy. Other progesterone effects for me are

causes some mild acne, eliminates libido, and can cause depression if

I take too much or take it for too many days. It seems to have a

cumulative effect. I increase my estradiol dose wile on progesterone

to help decrease these effects. I also decrease my testosterone dose

slightly to reduce the chance of acne.

Progesterone used to cause breast pain and tenderness but since I

added Lugol's solution early last year my breast issues are gone.

So are you saying that possibly if I took my saliva test during a time

when I was progesterone free that maybe my cortisol level could have

been lower (if I convert progesterone to cortisol)? Initially, I

wanted to do the test on a progesterone free day and not cloud things

with progesterone but I went along with the instructions from the lab

instead.

Speaking of Lugol's, my Free T3 was 2.9 (3/27/2006) with no Lugol's

and went up to 3.7 (6/15/2007) several months after adding Lugol's.

Until today I never knew either level was low but now I am wondering

if the Lugol's helped my thyroid function? I wonder if maybe

increasing my dose would help? I think my dose is equivalent to 25 mg

twice a day.

Thanks,

Kathy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I suspect the small HC dose is reducing your ACTH and thus

> > > reducing

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > own cortios in the evenings and at night and that is fine as

> > long

> > > > > as it

> > > > > > > works! You need to work on gettign your thyroid optimized as

> > it is

> > > > > stil

> > > > > > > showing hypo. THAT may help your adrneas come back to

correct

> > > > > > > functioning. I htink you are well on your way to getting

> feeling

> > > > much

> > > > > > > better but I would continue the HC cream as it ishelping you

> > > so much

> > > > > > adn

> > > > > > > work on getting the thyroid optimal. Ihear ya baout HC

heping

> > > wiht

> > > > > > > painin shoulders.. I haev injured my left shoulder a couple

> > months

> > > > > ago

> > > > > > > at work, and just abotu had it healed nad reinjured it

abotu 2

> > > > weeks

> > > > > > > ago. I am having on increase my HC for better sleep due

to the

> > > pain

> > > > > > amnd

> > > > > > > I was down to 12.5mg HC and now having to go back up JUST

> > for thw

> > > > > > shoulder.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > Artistic Grooming-

> > > Hurricane WV

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> > > > > > >

> > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I cannot comment on Lugol's as I got nothing from it when I tried it

-- and I realized from reading the boards and groups that too often we

jump on too many new things at once.

As for the progesterone -- I think Val can explain it better than I

can. But if progesterone was converting to cortisol for you, it could

have 'messed' with your circadian rhythm or at least added to what

doses you had been on. ie., if you were taking 25mg of HC -- but also

taking progesterone, you may have gotten more cortisol than you

realized and possibly if taking it at another time of day, it could

have shut down your own production upsetting your sleep cycle.

I am sure I am not putting this into words as well as Val or someone

else could.

BTW, I take progesterone as well (oral) and I do find the effects

cumulative as well. I take it days 14-28 and feel really good the

first half but the second half I am a bit more emotional and water

retentive. I think my dose/frequency needs to be adjusted as well as

I have a need for testosterone as well.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I suspect the small HC dose is reducing your ACTH and thus

> > > > reducing

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > own cortios in the evenings and at night and that is

fine as

> > > long

> > > > > > as it

> > > > > > > > works! You need to work on gettign your thyroid

optimized as

> > > it is

> > > > > > stil

> > > > > > > > showing hypo. THAT may help your adrneas come back to

> correct

> > > > > > > > functioning. I htink you are well on your way to getting

> > feeling

> > > > > much

> > > > > > > > better but I would continue the HC cream as it

ishelping you

> > > > so much

> > > > > > > adn

> > > > > > > > work on getting the thyroid optimal. Ihear ya baout HC

> heping

> > > > wiht

> > > > > > > > painin shoulders.. I haev injured my left shoulder a

couple

> > > months

> > > > > > ago

> > > > > > > > at work, and just abotu had it healed nad reinjured it

> abotu 2

> > > > > weeks

> > > > > > > > ago. I am having on increase my HC for better sleep due

> to the

> > > > pain

> > > > > > > amnd

> > > > > > > > I was down to 12.5mg HC and now having to go back up JUST

> > > for thw

> > > > > > > shoulder.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > Artistic Grooming-

> > > > Hurricane WV

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the cortisol and progesterone information.

I tried iodine because for years and years I had painful swollen

breasts for two months out of every month. Someone (probably Lyn) on

Rhythmic Living said that using iodine topically to the breasts often

reduced pain and swelling. I tried it and it was amazing that the

topical iodine worked (started working the first day). After using

topical iodine and reading the iodine list, I decided to add lugols.

After being on oral lugols for a short time my breast pain was

completely gone. I also noticed that I could increase my estradiol

dose to completely eliminate menopause symptoms without getting

estrogen excess symptoms. Prior to the lugols, I had trouble taking

enough estradiol to eliminate my low estrogen symptoms. My last

mammogram showed no cycts. One time I got nervous about the lugols

and discontinued it for a few days. My painful swollen breast came

right back so I restarted the lugols and have not had another breast

issue.

I cannot take oral progesterone. I get a horrible hangover effect

from it that lasts at least a day (probably two) starting the first

time that I take it. When I first started my HRT I could tolerate

oral progesterone though. Something changed at some point which I do

not understand. I am thankful that at least I can tolerate vag.

progesterone. Have you ever considered trying vaginal for one of your

cycles to see if you can tolerate it better? Apparently, with a

vaginal dose, the progesterone will not have to do the first pass

through the liver thing which produces metabolites that make some of

us feel bad. The dose for vaginal is lower than for oral, if you try

it you may need to reduce your dose. The other thing to consider is

raising your E dose during the time that the progesterone is bothering

you more. Taking more E really helps with progesterone excess side

effects. Your E may be dropping during that second week which makes

the progesterone side effects worse.

Kathy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I suspect the small HC dose is reducing your ACTH

and thus

> > > > > reducing

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > own cortios in the evenings and at night and that is

> fine as

> > > > long

> > > > > > > as it

> > > > > > > > > works! You need to work on gettign your thyroid

> optimized as

> > > > it is

> > > > > > > stil

> > > > > > > > > showing hypo. THAT may help your adrneas come back to

> > correct

> > > > > > > > > functioning. I htink you are well on your way to getting

> > > feeling

> > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > better but I would continue the HC cream as it

> ishelping you

> > > > > so much

> > > > > > > > adn

> > > > > > > > > work on getting the thyroid optimal. Ihear ya baout HC

> > heping

> > > > > wiht

> > > > > > > > > painin shoulders.. I haev injured my left shoulder a

> couple

> > > > months

> > > > > > > ago

> > > > > > > > > at work, and just abotu had it healed nad reinjured it

> > abotu 2

> > > > > > weeks

> > > > > > > > > ago. I am having on increase my HC for better sleep due

> > to the

> > > > > pain

> > > > > > > > amnd

> > > > > > > > > I was down to 12.5mg HC and now having to go back up

JUST

> > > > for thw

> > > > > > > > shoulder.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > Artistic Grooming-

> > > > > Hurricane WV

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kathy -- I appreciate your experience and advice. I will read

on about it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I suspect the small HC dose is reducing your ACTH

> and thus

> > > > > > reducing

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > own cortios in the evenings and at night and that is

> > fine as

> > > > > long

> > > > > > > > as it

> > > > > > > > > > works! You need to work on gettign your thyroid

> > optimized as

> > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > stil

> > > > > > > > > > showing hypo. THAT may help your adrneas come back to

> > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > functioning. I htink you are well on your way to

getting

> > > > feeling

> > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > better but I would continue the HC cream as it

> > ishelping you

> > > > > > so much

> > > > > > > > > adn

> > > > > > > > > > work on getting the thyroid optimal. Ihear ya baout HC

> > > heping

> > > > > > wiht

> > > > > > > > > > painin shoulders.. I haev injured my left shoulder a

> > couple

> > > > > months

> > > > > > > > ago

> > > > > > > > > > at work, and just abotu had it healed nad reinjured it

> > > abotu 2

> > > > > > > weeks

> > > > > > > > > > ago. I am having on increase my HC for better

sleep due

> > > to the

> > > > > > pain

> > > > > > > > > amnd

> > > > > > > > > > I was down to 12.5mg HC and now having to go back up

> JUST

> > > > > for thw

> > > > > > > > > shoulder.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Kathy -- I appreciate your experience and advice. I will read

on about it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I suspect the small HC dose is reducing your ACTH

> and thus

> > > > > > reducing

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > own cortios in the evenings and at night and that is

> > fine as

> > > > > long

> > > > > > > > as it

> > > > > > > > > > works! You need to work on gettign your thyroid

> > optimized as

> > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > stil

> > > > > > > > > > showing hypo. THAT may help your adrneas come back to

> > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > functioning. I htink you are well on your way to

getting

> > > > feeling

> > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > better but I would continue the HC cream as it

> > ishelping you

> > > > > > so much

> > > > > > > > > adn

> > > > > > > > > > work on getting the thyroid optimal. Ihear ya baout HC

> > > heping

> > > > > > wiht

> > > > > > > > > > painin shoulders.. I haev injured my left shoulder a

> > couple

> > > > > months

> > > > > > > > ago

> > > > > > > > > > at work, and just abotu had it healed nad reinjured it

> > > abotu 2

> > > > > > > weeks

> > > > > > > > > > ago. I am having on increase my HC for better

sleep due

> > > to the

> > > > > > pain

> > > > > > > > > amnd

> > > > > > > > > > I was down to 12.5mg HC and now having to go back up

> JUST

> > > > > for thw

> > > > > > > > > shoulder.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > Artistic

Grooming-

> > > > > > Hurricane WV

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kathy -- I appreciate your experience and advice. I will read

on about it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I suspect the small HC dose is reducing your ACTH

> and thus

> > > > > > reducing

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > own cortios in the evenings and at night and that is

> > fine as

> > > > > long

> > > > > > > > as it

> > > > > > > > > > works! You need to work on gettign your thyroid

> > optimized as

> > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > stil

> > > > > > > > > > showing hypo. THAT may help your adrneas come back to

> > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > functioning. I htink you are well on your way to

getting

> > > > feeling

> > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > better but I would continue the HC cream as it

> > ishelping you

> > > > > > so much

> > > > > > > > > adn

> > > > > > > > > > work on getting the thyroid optimal. Ihear ya baout HC

> > > heping

> > > > > > wiht

> > > > > > > > > > painin shoulders.. I haev injured my left shoulder a

> > couple

> > > > > months

> > > > > > > > ago

> > > > > > > > > > at work, and just abotu had it healed nad reinjured it

> > > abotu 2

> > > > > > > weeks

> > > > > > > > > > ago. I am having on increase my HC for better

sleep due

> > > to the

> > > > > > pain

> > > > > > > > > amnd

> > > > > > > > > > I was down to 12.5mg HC and now having to go back up

> JUST

> > > > > for thw

> > > > > > > > > shoulder.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > Artistic

Grooming-

> > > > > > Hurricane WV

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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